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Question for programmers out there -

What exactly is "learning by doing" or "moving the needle" in terms of truly understanding a programming language?

I am making great progress on Codecademy (python), but the one thing I've had to face is that everything is right in front of me wrapped up in a neat line for me to do. It gets a bit challenging, but I feel like if I had a blank Pycharm terminal open, implementing these things I'm learning would be difficult.

Just like how business is building product and speaking to users, what is the equivalent of that in terms of learning a programming language without wasting time..?

Is the right way to go to just go through these basic Codecademy courses..?

Is it better in your opinion to grasp a solid understanding of the programming language before building an MVP.. Or is there a better way that allows you to learn faster and get more done as a result instead of waiting months on end to understand how to build the MVP?

Would appreciate some insight. Thanks!

(tagging @WillHurtDontCare , I don't really know any other programmers on here)

With Python, if you're trying to make a web app, start by making a pipeline in Jupyter notebook before you integrate it into a web dev framework like Django. The framework hides what your code actually does behind some user interface that makes it accessible to non-technical people, but that requires adding complexity.

My first "big" consulting project ($20K in 2020) involved webscraping tens of thousands of PDFs, processing them with AWS textract*, loading the data into postgres, and running some regular expression queries to find narrow those 50K or so PDFs, with 10s-100s of pages each, into around 50 pages that actually mattered for the project. I just emailed the client the PDFs, along with some relevant metadata.

However, you don't actually need to create the logic on the back end. In fact, I'm a big advocate of doing as little work as humanly possible because a lot of work has already been done for you. Check out rapid API for lots of useful data, github for lots of useful code, and hugging face for lots of useful and easy to implement machine learning models.

The Important Part of this Post - Market First, Then Program

Don't start with the tech, start with the problem. One mistake that many tech people are guilty of (myself included) is starting with some cool tech and searching for a problem. This is backwards thinking. An entrepreneur starts with a problem that can turn into a business problem that makes money. If people don't have any emotions about whatever you're building, then it won't make money.

What you should do instead is start with where the traffic already goes. You can start with a tool like Mangools ($70 per month) or Spyfu ($39 per month) to find web traffic for particular search terms. Your goal is to find phrases that with high search volume that indicate whether enough people care about your idea to warrant investing time and resources into building a business for it. You can also use Similar Web (free) to see how much monthly traffic your competitors get to determine whether the opportunity is big enough for you to pursue.

The next step would be to get a sense for whether or not you can easily find those people. If you can get email lists of tens of thousands of your ideal prospects, or if you know how to target them with Facebook ads, you might have a business idea. After that, you'd figure out if you can acquire those customers cost effectively. If you find out that your cheapest Google keyword for your service costs $20 per click and you need 10 clicks per conversion for something you charge $25 per month for, you probably don't have a solid business unless you have a pile of cash to wait for them to pay you for several months (disregard this if you have some upsell).

You won't know exactly how much customers cost to acquire until you actually set up the website and collect credit cards, so if you run some napkin math and decide that the numbers are feasible enough for you to test, you make a landing page to test the demand. You don't even need to have a functional product at this point - you can say that your product is in development and collect emails, or ideally offer some deal for people who prepay to get early access. There are too many people who will claim to be interested in your idea until you ask them to hand over their wallet.

After you've verified the demand and that the business is financially viable, just build the pipeline in jupyter locally on your machine. Just get it to do whatever your customers want it to do. Don't even think about offering it in a web app - you can just do things manually then email it to them (that's what I did in the $20K project). If whatever you are offering is valuable enough, the customers will not give a F*ck about how you deliver it. You can pretty up the packaging later.

@mikecarlooch you're a video editing guy, right? There is apparently a huge demand to help people come up with short form content right now, because you can cross post short form content to TikTok, YouTube shorts, Instagram Reels, Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook video ads, Amazon ads, etc, etc. You could start with something basic like using YouTube's API to find the most replayed sections of the video, then just extract that section of that clip. You could also do something like use OpenAI's whisper transcription to transcribe the video, then find extract whatever clips mention popular keywords. You could find those keywords from Mangools or Spyfu, or you could use some third party API from rapid API to get lists of YouTube comments, Amazon comments, or whatever relevant audience comment source you can get your hands on. You could then feed those comments to GPT 3/4 via the API and ask it what topics people care about. Or you could use spacy to find the most common words, then find the clips that mention those words.

TL;DR on the last paragraph - figure out how to auto generate short form video content from long form video content to post on multiple platforms. I think that Python ffmpeg might help with video clip extraction.

Also, don't try to make the perfect MVP. Just make the shittiest thing that gets the point across to your prospects and hook them with good copy. Then when they hand over money, make the thing great.

Edit: View: https://twitter.com/dafrankel/status/1665504854385541120


*Tesseract is free - if you need to do OCR, use that.
 
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Coconut water or electrolyte powders mixed in water

Coconut water has the world's greatest marketing considering it's no better than plain water at rehydration and may be even worse:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA-lWN4hMis


 

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Coconut water has the world's greatest marketing considering it's no better than plain water at rehydration and may be even worse:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA-lWN4hMis


Well, I think you should mention adding some sodium when taking coconut water for hydration as that's the main electrolyte you're losing, but not sure what all the 'hate' is about either. The article you linked is basically about one study, and how consuming lots of potassium is bad for people who should be careful with their intake (kind of like pointing out salt is the devil just because some people have high blood pressure), while a lot of people actually don't consume enough of it. Just what I understand of it, feel free to point out what I'm missing.
 

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With Python, if you're trying to make a web app, start by making a pipeline in Jupyter notebook before you integrate it into a web dev framework like Django. The framework hides what your code actually does behind some user interface that makes it accessible to non-technical people, but that requires adding complexity.

My first "big" consulting project ($20K in 2020) involved webscraping tens of thousands of PDFs, processing them with AWS textract*, loading the data into postgres, and running some regular expression queries to find narrow those 50K or so PDFs, with 10s-100s of pages each, into around 50 pages that actually mattered for the project. I just emailed the client the PDFs, along with some relevant metadata.

However, you don't actually need to create the logic on the back end. In fact, I'm a big advocate of doing as little work as humanly possible because a lot of work has already been done for you. Check out rapid API for lots of useful data, github for lots of useful code, and hugging face for lots of useful and easy to implement machine learning models.

The Important Part of this Post - Market First, Then Program

Don't start with the tech, start with the problem. One mistake that many tech people are guilty of (myself included) is starting with some cool tech and searching for a problem. This is backwards thinking. An entrepreneur starts with a problem that can turn into a business problem that makes money. If people don't have any emotions about whatever you're building, then it won't make money.

What you should do instead is start with where the traffic already goes. You can start with a tool like Mangools ($70 per month) or Spyfu ($39 per month) to find web traffic for particular search terms. Your goal is to find phrases that with high search volume that indicate whether enough people care about your idea to warrant investing time and resources into building a business for it. You can also use Similar Web (free) to see how much monthly traffic your competitors get to determine whether the opportunity is big enough for you to pursue.

The next step would be to get a sense for whether or not you can easily find those people. If you can get email lists of tens of thousands of your ideal prospects, or if you know how to target them with Facebook ads, you might have a business idea. After that, you'd figure out if you can acquire those customers cost effectively. If you find out that your cheapest Google keyword for your service costs $20 per click and you need 10 clicks per conversion for something you charge $25 per month for, you probably don't have a solid business unless you have a pile of cash to wait for them to pay you for several months (disregard this if you have some upsell).

You won't know exactly how much customers cost to acquire until you actually set up the website and collect credit cards, so if you run some napkin math and decide that the numbers are feasible enough for you to test, you make a landing page to test the demand. You don't even need to have a functional product at this point - you can say that your product is in development and collect emails, or ideally offer some deal for people who prepay to get early access. There are too many people who will claim to be interested in your idea until you ask them to hand over their wallet.

After you've verified the demand and that the business is financially viable, just build the pipeline in jupyter locally on your machine. Just get it to do whatever your customers want it to do. Don't even think about offering it in a web app - you can just do things manually then email it to them (that's what I did in the $20K project). If whatever you are offering is valuable enough, the customers will not give a F*ck about how you deliver it. You can pretty up the packaging later.

@mikecarlooch you're a video editing guy, right? There is apparently a huge demand to help people come up with short form content right now, because you can cross post short form content to TikTok, YouTube shorts, Instagram Reels, Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook video ads, Amazon ads, etc, etc. You could start with something basic like using YouTube's API to find the most replayed sections of the video, then just extract that section of that clip. You could also do something like use OpenAI's whisper transcription to transcribe the video, then find extract whatever clips mention popular keywords. You could find those keywords from Mangools or Spyfu, or you could use some third party API from rapid API to get lists of YouTube comments, Amazon comments, or whatever relevant audience comment source you can get your hands on. You could then feed those comments to GPT 3/4 via the API and ask it what topics people care about. Or you could use spacy to find the most common words, then find the clips that mention those words.

TL;DR on the last paragraph - figure out how to auto generate short form video content from long form video content to post on multiple platforms. I think that Python ffmpeg might help with video clip extraction.

Also, don't try to make the perfect MVP. Just make the shittiest thing that gets the point across to your prospects and hook them with good copy. Then when they hand over money, make the thing great.

Edit: View: https://twitter.com/dafrankel/status/1665504854385541120


*Tesseract is free - if you need to do OCR, use that.
Thank you for taking the time to write this @WillHurtDontCare
 

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Andy Frisella's email today, Happy Father's Day to all of you who are father's. Thank you for what you do.
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In 2020 my T levels were 21.7 nmol/L. Now they're 36.

Male, mid 30s. When my recent blood test can back, the doctor asked my if I was taking T supplements :happy:

Maybe I can make a $27 eBook for my "Method" :rofl:
 

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In 2020 my T levels were 21.7 nmol/L. Now they're 36.

Male, mid 30s. When my recent blood test can back, the doctor asked my if I was taking T supplements :happy:

Maybe I can make a $27 eBook for my "Method" :rofl:
then justify the $1997 price tag on a testosterone course as "do you know how much money you're losing every year due to low testosterone?!"
 

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then justify the $1997 price tag on a testosterone course as "do you know how much money you're losing every year due to low testosterone?!"
Worst thing is I can see that working :rofl:
 
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In 2020 my T levels were 21.7 nmol/L. Now they're 36.

Male, mid 30s. When my recent blood test can back, the doctor asked my if I was taking T supplements :happy:

Maybe I can make a $27 eBook for my "Method" :rofl:
What’s the method?
 

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What’s the method?
I'm not doing anything special, just living healthy. Walk twice a day, clean eating, no/low sugar/flour/processed oils, low alcohol, work out, minimise vice etc.
 
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I'm not doing anything special, just living healthy. Walk twice a day, clean eating, no/low sugar/flour/processed oils, low alcohol, work out etc.
What do you usually eat on a day-to-day basis?
 
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RANT - Pay your employees that deliver and go way above and beyond properly! Stop being GREEDY. You aren't self made, you are made by the people that helped you get there.
Sounds like you are in the wrong place. Are you in control of your life or are other people in control? Own your choices! You aren’t a tree. Move
 
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What do you usually eat on a day-to-day basis?
chicken, tinned tomatoes and broccoli is my goto lunch, with a (nearly)sugar free "chocolate" pudding; porridge, fried eggs and some similar bits for dinner; ribeye 1-2x a week.

I think the main thing is eliminating/minimising bad foods, then what's left over is trial and error to find what works best for your body. While there are some guidelines with diet, I think it's more individualised than is currently recognised.
 

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Haven't been on IG in months. Just tried scrolling through the feed, it is insufferable.

33% of the feed is advertising. 2 posts, 1 ad, 2 posts, 1 ad ....
It’s getting worse and worse each day.

I spend my time on this forum now instead of swiping up on Insta.

I now feel much better than I did a few weeks ago.
 

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Does Freelancing still work?
Can I start today and earn decent money from doing it?

I know we can succeed in anything that we pursue with commitment and dedication, but I am confused whether freelancing still works because of the massive competition on platforms like Fiverr, Upwork, etc.
 
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Regarding Google Ads: I have one Keyword which is very specific for my landing page, which has a CPC of ~10€. Is there a way to lower the CPC for this one Keyword?
 

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Does Freelancing still work?
Can I start today and earn decent money from doing it?

I know we can succeed in anything that we pursue with commitment and dedication, but I am confused whether freelancing still works because of the massive competition on platforms like Fiverr, Upwork, etc.
Still works...as long you don't send out cookie-cutter proposals, actually READ the job listing and understand enough of your skill to come up with great solutions for the client.

For me, freelancing is simply like contractor work-- as with plumbers, electricians, welders, etc.
You are selling expertise to solve specific problems. Nothing rocket science about that.

My brother was hiring out some design work for his YouTube channel (when he was money-chasing after YouTube automation, but that's another story...). He went to hire out on Upwork, and he got a slew of replies.

I regret I didn't photoshoot their replies...but I was holding in my laughter as my brother showed me some of the replies.

80% of their replies were like:

'Hi I am (name), and I am an expert in (XXXXX). I can do Service A, B, C, D (usually in some LOOONG bullet list that stretches down to 10-20 points down). Please hire me?'

Only 2-3 folks on the list took some time to SOLELY address his job specs, give some steps on what they could try out to help...and hand in their portfolio samples.

So I feel the problem is not so much of the platform (even as NO platform is perfect).
The real problem is just...people's attitudes.
 

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Still works...as long you don't send out cookie-cutter proposals, actually READ the job listing and understand enough of your skill to come up with great solutions for the client.

For me, freelancing is simply like contractor work-- as with plumbers, electricians, welders, etc.
You are selling expertise to solve specific problems. Nothing rocket science about that.

My brother was hiring out some design work for his YouTube channel (when he was money-chasing after YouTube automation, but that's another story...). He went to hire out on Upwork, and he got a slew of replies.

I regret I didn't photoshoot their replies...but I was holding in my laughter as my brother showed me some of the replies.

80% of their replies were like:

'Hi I am (name), and I am an expert in (XXXXX). I can do Service A, B, C, D (usually in some LOOONG bullet list that stretches down to 10-20 points down). Please hire me?'

Only 2-3 folks on the list took some time to SOLELY address his job specs, give some steps on what they could try out to help...and hand in their portfolio samples.

So I feel the problem is not so much of the platform (even as NO platform is perfect).
The real problem is just...people's attitudes.
Thanks for the reply.
 
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Regarding Google Ads: I have one Keyword which is very specific for my landing page, which has a CPC of ~10€. Is there a way to lower the CPC for this one Keyword?
Make a good landing page so you sell lots of stuff. You can't change what other people are willing to spend on the click.
 
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My girlfriend (fiancé) is making a lot of money this summer with swim lessons. It’s very similar to private tutoring. Really starts to scale when you go from 1 on 1 lessons to group lessons - same rate, but bulk.
 

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My girlfriend (fiancé) is making a lot of money this summer with swim lessons. It’s very similar to private tutoring. Really starts to scale when you go from 1 on 1 lessons to group lessons - same rate, but bulk.
Local tuition businesses with group lessons are a pretty easy way to make good money quickly.
 
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Money rarely appears due to a desire for it alone.

People that succeed often want to solve a problem and get rich as a side effect of solving it. Getting rich is rarely their goal.

I started writing online because I thought it could help other people. Money came as a consequence of that. And tbh, I didn't even ask for it.

Passion for money will get you bankrupt.

But passion for creating stuff people want to consume? That will make you money.
Didn't Dennis Felix was saying otherwise ?!

Without the obsession to become rich you wouldn't become one .

Any rich person would agree with that.
 

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Didn't Dennis Felix was saying otherwise ?!

Without the obsession to become rich you wouldn't become one .

Any rich person would agree with that.
It's not the obsession for money, but the obsession for value creation.

The obsession with money leads to financial crises and bankruptcies.
 

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