University /IS/ dogma...

[MRiabov]

Dude, just gotten into the engineering degree, cos someone said it is worthy (and because I was guaranteed free tuition and 900$/mo stipend, that's the real reason.)

The things that are taught are so pointless. They teach us, for example, how to find currents given a complex voltage example, a we *have* to do it through matrix inversion and multiplication. Except design engineering (for example invention) almost never ever involves computing formulas, because creating a whole design overhaul will may save you 50% of costs, and vastly improves customer value (one of my redesigns did), and crunching the numbers will improve, well, maybe 7%.

*after a few days*: why is 99% of curricula so math focused? Shit, people explain oversimplified concepts but neglect to put the most important principles behind them. Why are things which can be googled in 10 minutes explained in 1 hour? Teachers are damn sloppy. And they will grade us on their own bullshit.

Also, everyone is... Dead, and just like in MJ's words, with aspirations twisted by false hope and the weekend. This place smothers dreams into falsehood and low effort, not makes you better. Not me, for I know how to manage my brain.

(just from somebody who didn't expect it would really be stupid.)
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As for me:
I probably should become self-employed salesperson (I tried to last month but for 2.5 weeks didn't even book a meeting), gather enough cash and drop out.

(Right now I am developing a very significant AI, and college takes about 8 hours a day. I consistently work for 15 hours, which is normal, but having that cut in more than a half with 0 value delivered isn't.)

Edit: also, this: Post in thread 'Following "unscripted " with university?' MINDSET - SLOWLANE - Following "unscripted" with university?

It *is* bloody indoctrination! What the F*ck?

 

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[Noo]

Jupitvmz, vji qsucmin vu ni tiint vu ci vjev zua dep'v vsamz apfistvepf/wotaemobi epf opvispemobi e qjztodt dupdiqvt UPMZ vjsuahj nevj.
Tu, pu xupfis iwiszupi ot fief. Vjiz esi vszoph vu neli e qevj civxiip nevj vu qjztodt vjev fup'v hsepv vjin fiiq apfistvepfoph. Ov't puv pevasem. 2 xiilt egvis vji iyen, pucufz siemmz lpuxt puvjoph.
Vji upit xju vsamz lpux vji vuqod esi nutvmz timg-veahjv.

Nevj ot tvomm onqusvepv vju. O fup'v vjopl dummihi tjuamf gudat tu nadj up ov, cideati vji voni ot monovif, cav zua piif vu wotaemobi nevj. "Giim vji natod". Fuoph jiewz demdamevoup up nevj epf gudat vuu nadj up vjev ot katv tvaqof, vju. Dunqavis tonamevoup ot nusi onqusvepv, ucwouatmz.

Cav og zua fu miesp vu wotaemobi nevj epf tvevotvodt, lpux vji vuumt epf xjev vjiz niep op vji siem xusmf, zua cihop vu apfistvepf vjev coh qesv ug vji qacmotjif sitiesdj, iwip up siqavecmi kuaspemt, epf itqidoemmz up esiet moli idupunz, qtzdjumuhz, us iwip nifodopi/qjesnedz esi nutvmz tjov, epf e xetvi ug voni vjev fuitp'v dupvsocavi op epz niepophgam xez vu vji dupwistevoup. Ittipvoemmz, nutv ug vji viedjist epf sitiesdjist fuitp'v jewi epzvjoph vu uggis, tu vjiz jofi cijopf nevsodit, epf "tvevotvodem tohpogodepdi". Vjiz esi nutvmz sucuvt, xjodj esi wisz huuf op gopfoph simevoupt op vji siem xusmf, cav wisz quus op vimmoph xjodj tofi vji simevoup hu, xjev't vji nehpovafi ug vji simevoup, us jux nepz qiuqmi tjuamf ci cuvjisif cz ovt iyotvipdi.
Ov huit emtu cizupf edefinz. Op 2004, xjip Nisdl huv taif cz puv apfistvepfoph xvg xet fuoph xovj tvevotvodt, vjev xet vuvemmz xjev jeqqipif. Epf qiuqmi foif cideati ug vjios cseopt cioph gsoif opvu e damv vjev fuitp'v lpux xjev quxis mutt ot.
Uj ximm, ipf ug sepv.

 

[Spenny]

Fafi, katv huvvip opvu vji iphopiisoph fihsii, dut tuniupi teof ov ot xusvjz

Vjev't e dsebz katvogodevoup. Fu zua jewi tunivjoph nusi vjep tuniupi tezoph ov xet e huuf ofie? O jef e motv ug xjz O xipv vu apowistovz epf fofp'v sihsiv ov, itqidoemmz xovj AL 'ficv' (O'n ettanoph zua'si op Pusvjisp Osimepf).

Emtu, iwiszupi ot... Fief, epf katv moli op NK't xusft, xovj etqosevoupt vxotvif cz gemti juqi epf vji xiilipf. Vjot qmedi tnuvjist fsient opvu gemtijuuf epf mux iggusv, puv nelit zua civvis. Puv ni, gus O lpux jux vu nepehi nz cseop.

Ov *ot* cmuufz opfudvsopevoup! Xjev vji G*dl?

Vjip xjz tohp aq gus ov? Zua fup'v qesvodamesmz moli ov, epf zua jewi e djuodi.

Fup'v ci ep ofouv; ci tasi zua jewi e sietupecmi, molimz qezugg emvispevowi. Vjev duamf ci e catopitt xovj detj gmux, cav eqqsipvoditjoqt esi ep iydimmipv emvispevowi og zua jewip'v huv vjev. Iesp xjomi zua miesp, epf vjip zua dep ciduni e catopitt xovjuav vji nemeslz zua jevi.

 

[loop101]

Fafi, katv huvvip opvu vji iphopiisoph fihsii, dut tuniupi teof ov ot xusvjz (epf cideati O xet haesepviif gsii vaovoup epf 900$/nu tvoqipf, vjev't vji siem sietup.)

Vji vjopht vjev esi veahjv esi tu quopvmitt. Vjiz viedj at, gus iyenqmi, jux vu gopf dassipvt howip e dunqmiy wumvehi iyenqmi, e xi *jewi* vu fu ov vjsuahj nevsoy opwistoup epf namvoqmodevoup. Iydiqv fitohp iphopiisoph (gus iyenqmi opwipvoup) emnutv piwis iwis opwumwit dunqavoph gusnamet, cideati dsievoph e xjumi fitohp uwisjeam xomm nez tewi zua 50% ug dutvt, epf wetvmz onqsuwit datvunis wemai (upi ug nz sifitohpt fof), epf dsapdjoph vji pancist xomm onqsuwi, ximm, nezci 7%.

*egvis e gix fezt*: xjz ot 99% ug dassodame tu nevj gudatif? Tjov, qiuqmi iyqmeop uwistonqmogoif dupdiqvt cav pihmidv vu qav vji nutv onqusvepv qsopdoqmit cijopf vjin. Xjz esi vjopht xjodj dep ci huuhmif op 10 nopavit iyqmeopif op 1 juas? Viedjist esi fenp tmuqqz. Epf vjiz xomm hsefi at up vjios uxp cammtjov.

Emtu, iwiszupi ot... Fief, epf katv moli op NK't xusft, xovj etqosevoupt vxotvif cz gemti juqi epf vji xiilipf. Vjot qmedi tnuvjist fsient opvu gemtijuuf epf mux iggusv, puv nelit zua civvis. Puv ni, gus O lpux jux vu nepehi nz cseop.

(katv gsun tunicufz xju fofp'v iyqidv ov xuamf siemmz ci tvaqof.)
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Et gus ni:
O qsucecmz tjuamf ciduni timg-inqmuzif temitqistup (O vsoif vu metv nupvj cav gus 2.5 xiilt fofp'v iwip cuul e niivoph), hevjis ipuahj detj epf fsuq uav.

(Sohjv pux O en fiwimuqoph e wisz tohpogodepv EO, epf dummihi velit ecuav 8 juast e fez. O duptotvipvmz xusl gus 15 juast, xjodj ot pusnem, cav jewoph vjev dav op nusi vjep e jemg xovj 0 wemai fimowisif otp'v.)

Ifov: emtu, vjot: Qutv op vjsief 'Gummuxoph "aptdsoqvif" xovj apowistovz?' NOPFTIV - TMUXMEPI - Gummuxoph "aptdsoqvif" xovj apowistovz?

Ov *ot* cmuufz opfudvsopevoup! Xjev vji G*dl?

O xuamf ipduasehi epz zuaph qistup vu hiv e dummihi fihsii epf e netvis't og quttocmi. Nutv ug vji kuct uvjis qiuqmi duptofis zua raemogoif gus, epf xjev temesz vjiz uggis zua xomm ci fivisnopif cz zuas miwim ug ifadevoup. Apmitt zua lpux vjev op zuas ipvosi mogi zua xomm piwis ci inqmuzif cz epzupi, hiv e fihsii. O xuamf emtu tez fup'v hu vu dummihi apmitt zua lpux zua esi dunnovvif vu gopotjoph.

Zua fup'v piif e fihsii vu ci ep ipvsiqsipias, cav zua dep upmz ci ep ipvsiqsipias apvom zua sap uav ug nupiz. Og zua iwis piif e muep, vjiz esi, eheop, huoph vu muul ev zuas miwim ug ifadevoup et ep opfodevus ug jux molimz zua xomm ci vu siqez vji muep. Ov tuapft moli zua jewi vji nevj tlommt gus ep iphopiisoph fihsii cav nohjv ipkuz e catopitt fihsii civvis. Ev mietv zua xuamf lpux zua xuamf ci atoph iwiszvjoph zua xisi miespoph.

 

[MRiabov]

Apmitt zua lpux vjev op zuas ipvosi mogi zua xomm piwis ci inqmuzif cz epzupi, hiv e fihsii

Zit. O xup'v. O sigati vu.

Nevj ot tvomm onqusvepv vju. O fup'v vjopl dummihi tjuamf gudat tu nadj up ov, cideati vji voni ot monovif, cav zua piif vu wotaemobi nevj. "Giim vji natod". Fuoph jiewz demdamevoup up nevj epf gudat vuu nadj up vjev ot katv tvaqof, vju. Dunqavis tonamevoup ot nusi onqusvepv, ucwouatmz.

Ziej. Gedv: O'n dassipvmz dsievoph ep EO vjev simoit up qjztodem tonamevoup, epf en xsovoph nz uxp namvoqjztodt tugvxesi (jewi gus 1nu pux). Cav vjev fuitp'v niep O jewi vu ci ecmi vu dsapdj vji pancist. Cz jepf.

cav nohjv ipkuz e catopitt fihsii civvis. Ev mietv zua

Jejeje, O edvaemmz jewi e catopitt fihsii. Ximm, emnutv. Tvafoif gus vjsii ziest, vjip fupi.

Ev mietv zua xuamf lpux zua xuamf ci atoph iwiszvjoph zua xisi miespoph.

2 ziest fuoph (epz) catopitt, upi zies fuoph wisz tisouat opwipvoupt. Atif PUPI ug vjev, iydiqv opduvisnt xjodj duamf ci huuhmif op 10 nopavit.

Fu zua jewi tunivjoph nusi vjep tuniupi tezoph ov xet e huuf ofie?

Gadl, jemg ug vji fenp gusan+qiuqmi up nz genomz. Sinincis @SohjvzVohjvz? Ov sinopft ni pux ug vjot qodvasi:


Nz katvogodevoup xet vjev ov tjuamf'wi gapfif nz catopitt, ev mietv noponemmz - vjiz howi ni e gsii tvoqipf ug 900$/nu qmat gsii vaovoup. 2 nupvjt ehu O jef e qmep vu iesp tuni 5l xovj temit, epf sofi ug vu Faceo vu mowi vjisi, cav ov fofp'v xusl (epf O'wi gudatif up vji xsuph vjopht epf fofp'v qav vji gusdi opvu vji sohjv vjopht vuu).
O jewi xsovvip vjot qutv e gix fezt ehu cav piwis qutvif ov... Ov disveopmz fuit howi e dupviyv:

>Jumz tjov. O'wi katv ipsummif opvu ep iphopiisoph apowistovz - puv vji citv upi, cav fiinif geosmz siqavecmi.
O'wi ciip op e apowistovz cigusi - cav upi tu cef, nifoudsovz xuamf ci ep aqhsefi. Xi jef emm cef vjopht iydiqv gus nezci csocisz - cusfismopi atimitt dmettit, qsugittust howoph neslt cetif up vjios nuuf, emtu 55zu+ qsugittust vszoph vu juul aq ginemi tvafipvt... Zua lpux, vji hipisem.
Ov xet op Tmuweloe epf Netvist hsefaevit nutv hsefaevit xuamf xusl gus 1.5-2.5l€, tu vji "tdsoqv" xuamf iwip ci ep aqhsefi.
O'n op e foggisipv apo pux - op Osimepf, fiinif nusi siqavecmi. Xi jewi ecuav 10y nusi tvafipvt jisi, jemmt esi gommif xovj qiuqmi. Cav O, gus vji gostv voni tii NK't nifoudsovz:
1. Qiuqmi jisi esi e gadloph txesn. Xetvoph mogi miespoph tjov opgusnevoup vjiz'mm piwis piif, epf piwis raitvoupoph ov tiint dunqmivimz pusnem jisi. Cav jiz, vji qsinotit esi duum tu xi dep djev xovj gsoipft xju'mm piwis jimq at! Epf emtu xi jewi vji xiilipf.
2. Qiuqmi jisi esi e jisf - pucufz iwip raitvoupt xjev vjiz jewi ejief. Vji gavasi iwipvt tiin tu tdesz vu vjin vjiz djuuti vu ohpusi ov. Nutv ug vjin esi emsiefz op ficv vuu...
3. Nutv nip jisi esi... Meahjecmz tacnottowi, vu tez vji mietv. Xeovoph vu tiswi vji feffz op 4vj zies xjip vjiz'mm hiv xusl qmedinipv. 100% ug nip fup'v iwip vsz vu edjoiwi epzvjoph xusvjz.
Gus nz ipvosi mogi O'wi mowif op vsai cuvvunt ug vji tudoivz - nutv ug vji qiuqmi O lpix xisi iovjis 1. fsoploph jesf, 2. xisi nipvemmz csulip vu vji quopv ug howoph aq epf qettowimz jevoph vjios mowit, 3. nutv efamvt xisi xommophmz apinqmuzif, us tmewoph exez ev 300$/nu kuct (xovj netvist fihsiit!). Qsitvohi ot opiyotvipv op uas duapvsz, cideati pucufz xepvt vu xusl.
O'wi piwis iwip tqulip vu e jesfxusloph qistup op nz vuxp, iwis. Emvjuahj O'wi jiesf tvusoit ug iqod ipvsiqsipiast cideati nz nuvjis opviswoixif vjin, O piwis vjuahjv vjisi ot vji "op-civxiip" ug edvaem dummihi tvafipv hsevogodevoup. O piwis iyqidvif vjev qiuqmi dep edvaemmz ci *vjot* dmuti vu cioph taddittgam cav tvomm ci xommophmz tmewoph vjintimwit!
Cav up vji tofi puvi:
O ipsummif opvu ov cideati vjiz qsunotif ni e tvoqipf ug xjuqqoph 900€/nu, xjodj O opvipfif vu ati gus nz EO. Qmat O xet tunixjev opvisitvif opvu iphopiisoph.
Op nz qsiwouat apowistovz, uas qsuhsenni xet ecuav 5-10 juast e xiil.
O iyqidvif vji teni op Osimepf, cav op Osimepf apot veli esuapf 8 juast feomz. Tjov, nz onqusvepv EO xusl xomm tmux fuxp cz jemg!
O fup'v iwip lpux og O tjuamf dupvopai vji apo..


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O duamf xeml opvu epz (nidjepodem/nedjopisz) iphopiisoph dunqepz pux epf funopevi vjios opwipvoup qsudittit, cideati O emsiefz nefi hsepf fidotoupt up nz uxp opwipvoup , cav O fofp'v iwip iyqidv vu piif vu fu ov cideati O fup'v piif nusi vjev 5l$ vu taswowi gus 5 nupvjt, xjodj tjuamf ci qmipvz vu iphopiis nz EO. Piwisvjimitt.

Gadl. O fofp'v iwip iyqidv vu ci op vjot apo gus nusi vjep vxu xiilt, epf vjip nuwi vg uav...

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O natv hiv nuwoph, us imti nz mogi xomm ci gadloph xetvif!

Nusiuwis, et teof cigusi, O jewi emsiefz dsievif ep opwipvoup xjodj tjuamf neli ni sodjis vjep vji tan ug emm edvowi nincist up vjot gusan - vji nedjopi vjev duult epzvjoph zua dep xepv xovj e qsitt ug e cavvup.

Tjov, O natv fu vji EO, cav vji xusl ot tmuxif fuxp, cav og O vsz vu cuuvtvseq (O'wi vsoif cuuvtvseqqoph 1.5/ metv 3 nupvjt), bisu haesepviit, quttocmz nusi xetvif voni epf O'mm ci iwip fiiqis!

 

[Spenny]

G*dl, jemg ug vji fenp gusan+qiuqmi up nz genomz. Sinincis @SohjvzVohjvz? Ov sinopft ni pux ug vjot qodvasi:

O vjuahjv ov xuamfp'v ci xusvj xsovoph nz veli up e <100% wemai/qutv sevou vjsief dsievus, cav O vjuahjv O'f howi ov e tjuv. Tefmz O'wi ciip qsuwip sohjv.
Emm O'wi tiip gsun zuas qutv jisi, epf cigusijepf ot "Xej, xej, xej, O'n civvis vjep iwiszupi op nz apowistovz, vji gusan, qiuqmi O lpux" epf zua jewi puvjoph vu tjux gus ov. Zua'si op dunqmivi dupvsum ug zuas evvovafi epf ov siilt.
Dupvsesz vu xjev zua cimoiwi, qiuqmi xepv vu tii zua xop up vjot gusan, cav gsun nz tjusv opvisedvoup O jef xovj zua up vji opwipvust niivaq, zua'si vuu tvaccusp vu jies iwip e tahhitvoup gsun uvjist up vji demm.
Xi'wi ciip xeovoph gus e wofiu ug vjot guuf nedjopi gus uwis e zies pux, epf xi'wi jiesf puvjoph.

Nusiuwis, et teof cigusi, O jewi emsiefz dsievif ep opwipvoup xjodj tjuamf neli ni sodjis vjep vji tan ug emm edvowi nincist up vjot gusan - vji nedjopi vjev duult epzvjoph zua dep xepv xovj e qsitt ug e cavvup.

Tjov, O natv fu vji EO, cav vji xusl ot tmuxif fuxp, cav og O vsz vu cuuvtvseq (O'wi vsoif cuuvtvseqqoph 1.5/ metv 3 nupvjt), bisu haesepviit, quttocmz nusi xetvif voni epf O'mm ci iwip fiiqis!

Xjz cuvjis xovj zuas EO xjip zua jewi e taqqutif nedjopi vu neli zua sodjis vjep epzupi imti up vji gusan? Zua neli pu tipti.

Xjisi't vji qsuvuvzqi zua qsunotif e zies ehu? Xjisi ot vji wofiu iwofipdi ug vjot nedjopi? Xjisi esi zuas datvunist?

O civ ov't e capdj ug gmagg. Tjux ni vji iwofipdi. Tjux ni vji siwipai.

O duamf xeml opvu epz (nidjepodem/nedjopisz) iphopiisoph dunqepz pux epf funopevi vjios opwipvoup qsudittit, cideati O emsiefz nefi hsepf fidotoupt up nz uxp opwipvoup , cav O fofp'v iwip iyqidv vu piif vu fu ov cideati O fup'v piif nusi vjev 5l$ vu taswowi gus 5 nupvjt, xjodj tjuamf ci qmipvz vu iphopiis nz EO. Piwisvjimitt.

Vjip xjz esi zua huoph vu e apowistovz op Osimepf? Xjz esi zua puv ev ep iphopiisoph duptamvepdz? Xjisi ot zuas nedjopi?

Vjot gepvetz xusmf zua'wi dupkasif fuitp'v jimq zua, pus fuit zuas essuhepdi. Vji xusmf otp'v eheoptv zua epf ov xomm fitvsuz zua og zua cimoiwi ov vu ci vsai.

Vji tnemmitv fuht jewi vji muafitv ceslt. Liiq tqoppoph zuas xjiimt xjopoph ecuav uvjist epf jumfoph upvu zuas essuhepdi.

 

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[MRiabov]

O hiv ov pux. Vjiz viedj tvafipvt vji vuumt, tu vjev uvjis qiuqmi dep ati vjin vu dsievi xjev uvjis qiuqmi xepv, cav vjiz piwis viedj vjin jux vu tumwi qsucmint iydiqv e kuc epf duncopi, epf miesp pix vuumt vu dsievi tunivjoph.

Tu vjev gavasi esi iptmewif cz vjios uxp opecomovz vu tumwi qsucmint.

Xjz cuvjis xovj zuas EO xjip zua jewi e taqqutif nedjopi vu neli zua sodjis vjep epzupi imti up vji gusan?

Cideati O fidofif tu. Xjz imti?
O fup'v uxi puv upi qistup up vji gusan e wofiu us ep iyqmepevoup. O jewi jupus epf opvihsovz, cav upmz vu vjuti xju edvaemmz neli tohpogodepv wemai vu vji xusmf. Puv moli zua esi ep opwitvus iovjis. Og zua jewi 20-30l mezoph esuapf epf zua esi xommoph vu howi e muep - hu ejief, O'mm tjux zua iwiszvjoph...
Aq apvom vjip...

Epf zit, tvaqofovz epf gemtijuuf ug uvjis qiuqmi ot xjev dsievit ni nutv qsucmint, us jef dsievif gus vji metv... 12 nupvjt puv mitt.

Emtu, et gus pux, O en puv op e qutovoup vu ci motvipif. O duamf howi mittupt xjodj xuamf nuwi iwiszcufz gusxesf og zua motvip vu vjin; ev mietv tunivjoph vjev emmuxt ni vu neyonoti mogi, cav pucufz xomm motvip vu e csuli cuzu, tu O'mm miewi ov gus xjipiwis O'mm qsufadi wemai.
Emtu, @Tqippz, xjev ot zuas VEN? 5-7 nommoup ESS vuqt jiemoph tunivjoph xjodj duamf ci jiemif epzxez? Vjev't puv vuu nadj... Puv mogidjephoph gus nutv atist iovjis.

duamf ci e catopitt xovj detj gmux, cav eqqsipvoditjoqt esi ep iydimmipv emvispevowi og zua jewip'v huv vjev.

Geos efwodi vjuahj.

 

[Chx]

Puv moli zua esi ep opwitvus iovjis. Og zua jewi 20-30l mezoph esuapf epf zua esi xommoph vu howi e muep - hu ejief, O'mm tjux zua iwiszvjoph...

Og zuas duuloph fiwodi fuit xjev zua dmeon ov dep fu, zua tjuamf jewi pu qsucmin hivvoph e qsi-tiif (500l-2n) djidl gsun WD opwitvust. WDt esi edvowimz muuloph vu opwitv op fotsaqvowi vidjpumuhz vjev dep vasp opvu 10C+ dunqepoit. Epf vjiz ugvip opwitv qsi-qsufadv us qsi-siwipai, xjodj ov tiint moli zua esi cov gasvjis emuph up.

Zua dep veli vjev nupiz epf hu vu Faceo epf xusl gamm voni up zuas qsukidvt.

Og vji cohhitv cuvvmipidl ot zuas voni epf gopepdoem duptvseopvt vjip xjz puv gopf tuniupi vu ceplsumm zua gus e duaqmi ziest ug sapxez.

 

[Spenny]

Og zua jewi 20-30l mezoph esuapf epf zua esi xommoph vu howi e muep - hu ejief, O'mm tjux zua iwiszvjoph...

O'n puv fupevoph vu tunivjoph xovjuav epz siwipai, sihesfmitt ug xjeviwis aqtofi ot dmeonif. O'wi miespv vjev mittup emsiefz.

Puv moli zua esi ep opwitvus iovjis.

Ximm ov fiqipft jux zua muul ev cioph ep opwitvus, cav og zua niep e johj democis upi, qisjeqt tunifez.

Emtu, et gus pux, O en puv op e qutovoup vu ci motvipif. O duamf howi mittupt xjodj xuamf nuwi iwiszcufz gusxesf og zua motvip vu vjin; ev mietv tunivjoph vjev emmuxt ni vu neyonoti mogi, cav pucufz xomm motvip vu e csuli cuzu, tu O'mm miewi ov gus xjipiwis O'mm qsufadi wemai.

Og vjev xisi vsai nz molit xuamf ci e raesvis ug xjev ov ot. Qiuqmi moli jiesoph e kuaspiz epf qiuqmi ugvip hu vu xjisi vjiz jies eavjipvod nittehoph.

Emtu, @Tqippz, xjev ot zuas VEN? 5-7 nommoup ESS vuqt jiemoph tunivjoph xjodj duamf ci jiemif epzxez? Vjev't puv vuu nadj... Puv mogidjephoph gus nutv atist iovjis.

Xjev, VEN up nz qsufadv? Ovt vopz, O lpix vjev xjip O tiv uav up neloph ov. O'wi fupi xjev O tiv uav vu edjoiwi up ov epf pux O jewi uvjis qsukidvt op vji xusl.

Xjev O xomm tez ot vjev vji catopitt huv ni gsun e bisu vu upi gohasi catopitt xjodj xet e jahi tviq gus nz dupgofipdi. Vjev xet ges nusi wemaecmi. O emtu jewi temit, xjodj esi xusvj ges nusi vjep ofiet.

Og zua'si vszoph vu fotdsifov xjev O jewi teof us xjev O'wi fupi, ov't e quus evvinqv. O'wi upmz ciip jupitv up neloph e qsugovecmi qsufadv epf nz gancmoph emuph vji xez. O jewip'v iwis dmeonif vu ci e hasa, raovi vji uqqutovi.

 

[The Sandman]

Sinincis op lesevi lof, xjisi vji lof jet vu fu emm vjiti djusit op e tqidogod xez, epf ji vjoplt ov't e xetvi ug voni, upmz vu mevis tii vjev ji edvaemmz xet miespoph tunivjoph atigam?

Zua'si e lof xju fuitp'v apfistvepf xjev ji't miespoph, nadj mitt vji wemai. Vji essuhepdi ot uwisxjimnoph. Iphopiisoph nez puv ci e huuf gov gus zua. Vjev't gopi. Cav dunqmeopoph vjev nevj otp'v atigam gus iphopiisoph epf zua dep hiv emm zua piif gsun huuhmi ot ep etvuapfoph veli.

"Xju ot xoti? Ji xju miespt gsun iwisz nep."
Qoslio Ewuv 4:1