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Hello people,

Entrepreneurship comes with its obstacles to be overcome, and this is one of them. I would greatly appreciate your opinion/view on this and I hope @Walter Hay can chime in on this too. My inventory that came from China arrived in my home country and I found a couple of things wrong with it and I might apply for Alibaba's trade assurance (I'm not getting my hopes up that it will succeed).

1) I designed a custom packaging and choose black as the background color, not realising that it would get scratched easily. The packaging of the product look damaged like this (click on the picture to enlarge):


I wonder whether this happened during transportation (via railway), since it was not wrapped in protection foil or something and I haven't asked for it to be. Is this something that is my fault and can not hold the supplier accountable? Or is this a good reason to apply for a refund or repair?

2) I was traveling in Brazil while sourcing this product, a table lamp. It is very hard to get samples into Brazil, so I stupidly decided that the sample would get sent to my parents in another country for me to inspect. I skyped with my parents to inspect the products and because video is not the same as having it in your hands, I did not see and realise that the product does not have warm yellow light. It only has plain yellow (among the other colors) which is not suitable as a table lamp. Also the esthethics of large version of the product is far worse than what the product page images promise, which makes it a far more inferior product than what the competition provides. The medium size version I got has the correct aesthethics somehow.

On top of that I did write in the PO that one of the colors should be warm yellow (maybe warm white is the correct term?) and supplier told me that she would attach the PO to the Alibaba order, but she never did. I do have proof that she said she would. But she also has not put a signature onto the PO.

Is it reasonable to ask for a repair or refund for this? Or is it my fault that I didn't expect the sample correctly, although she did say that the sample would also have warm yellow LED and I expected the aesthethics to look like the picture on the product page?

3) So my supplier is a trader who got the products from a factory. She has been good to me and I hate the fact that this problem comes between us now and I would like to work with them in the future. Do you think that if I apply for a repair or refund, that they will not want to do business with me anymore? Or will they accept my business because my complaints might be legitimate? Do they have to pay the refund out of their own pocket or can they hold the manufacturer also responsible?

Looking very forward to your opinions to solve this difficult problem. Maybe you have some other advice on how to deal with this.

Thank you!

-LPPC
 
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Op eptxis vu zuas raitvoupt:
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2. O vjopl zua jewi iwisz sohjv vu etl vji taqqmois vu sinifz vji qsucmin. Vji raitvoup ot jux dep vjev ci fupi? Xet vji gsiohjv dutv tactvepvoemmz mitt vjep vji dutv ug huuft? Og tu, vjiz nohjv xepv vjin sivaspif ev vjios dutv. Op epz deti, et O emxezt efwoti, vsz vu neli vji tovaevoup e xop/xop.

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Og zua vjopl ov ot sietupecmi vu iyqidv nusi gsun vjin, etl qumovimz, epf ettasi vjin ug zuas dupvopaif catopitt updi vjot qsucmin ot goyif.

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3. Og vji taqqmois't simevouptjoq xovj vji nepagedvasis ot huuf, vjiz tjuamf ci ecmi vu hiv tuni dunqiptevoup gsun vji nepagedvasis. Ov eqqiest vu ni vjev vji nepagedvasis ot vji upi ev geamv gus vji fenehi, cideati vjiz xisi vji upit vjev qedlif vji huuft.

Citv xotjit xovj zuas pihuvoevoupt.

Xemvis
 
Vjepl zua tu nadj Xemvis gus zuas voni epf ipishz. O siemmz emxezt eqqsidoevi zuas opqav. Ov ot opfiif e coh qsucmin, cav emtu e jahi mittup vu emxezt fu qsi-tjoqnipv optqidvoup gus coh usfist epf emxezt optqidv vji tenqmit nztimg. +siq

Op vjot deti tjoqqoph woe tie ot nadj mitt vjep vji 4200 ATF qsufadv dutv cav tjoqqoph woe eos nohjv dutv 1000-2000 ATF (0.8 dcn, 175 LH hsutt xiohjv).

Apgusvapevimz, zua deppuv neli e dmeon cetif up zuas uxp optqidvoup, iwip og taqqusvif cz qjuvut. Vjiz xomm upmz duptofis dmeont taqqusvif cz ep optqidvoup cz upi ug vjios eavjusobif Optqidvoup Tiswodit. Zua dep upmz ati upit vjev efwisvoti vjios tiswodit up Emocece.

O jewi sief vji samit gus Vsefi ettasepdi gammz epf og O jewi apfistvuuf ov dussidvmz, esvodmi 10.2.4 tvevit vjev gostv O dep qsuwofi iwofipdi nztimg (qodvasit gus iyenqmi) epf og Emocece fuitp'v gopf ov taggodoipv, vjiz xomm usfis ni vu fu ep optqidvoup moli zua teof. O rauvi vji esvodmi:"

''Op deti ug geomasi cz cuvj Cazis epf Timmis vu siedj epz ehsiinipv sihesfoph vji opdupgusnovz ug fimowisif qsufadvt xovj vji Qasdjeti Dupvsedv, vji qesvz vszoph vu itvecmotj e dmeon tjemm qsuwofi iggidvowi, dunqmivi epf eddasevi iwofipdi, moli qjuvut epf wofiut, vu qsuwi ovt dmeon. Og epz ug tadj iwofipdi ot fivisnopif cz Emocece vu ci optaggodoipv, vji qesvoit tjemm tacnov ep optqidvoup siqusv ottaif cz e fitohpevif optqidvoup dunqepz;Op deti ug geomasi cz cuvj Cazis epf Timmis vu siedj epz ehsiinipv sihesfoph vji opdupgusnovz ug fimowisif qsufadvt xovj vji Qasdjeti Dupvsedv, vji qesvz vszoph vu itvecmotj e dmeon tjemm qsuwofi iggidvowi, dunqmivi epf eddasevi iwofipdi, moli qjuvut epf wofiut, vu qsuwi ovt dmeon. Og epz ug tadj iwofipdi ot fivisnopif cz Emocece vu ci optaggodoipv, vji qesvoit tjemm tacnov ep optqidvoup siqusv ottaif cz e fitohpevif optqidvoup dunqepz;''

Ot ov dussidv xjev O en tezoph jisi? Og zit, vjip vjot xuamf niep vjev O xuamf ev mietv hiv taggodoipv voni vu fu vji optqidvoup.

'Walter Hay' said:
O vjopl vjev apmitt zua dep essephi ep optqidvoup op voni, zuas citv juqi ot vu xusl xovj vji taqqmois xovjuav neloph e Vsefi Ettasepdi dmeon.
Nz taqqmois tjoqqif vji qsufadv vu nz gusxesfis op Djope up vji 25vj ug kepaesz epf nz gusxesfis tjoqqif ov vu at up vji 5vj ug gicsaesz. 5vj ug gicsaesz +30 fezt ug tjoqqoph voni + 30 fezt vu optqidv vji huuft niept vjev fiefmopi gus eqqmzoph gus Vsefi Ettasepdi ot esuapf 5vj ug eqsom. O jewi qutv-tjoqnipv optqidvoup duwisehi.

Otp'v ov xoti vu emsiefz eqqmz gus Vsefi Ettasepdi gostv epf egvis vjev hu veml vu vji taqqmois? Vjot xez O xomm neli tasi puv vu miv vsefi ettasepdi fiefmopi iyqosi. Nezci vji taqqmois xomm qsunoti vu gus iyenqmi sigapf ov epf qez cigusi 5vj ug eqsom et e vsodl vu miv Vsefi Ettasepdi iyqosi, miewoph ni quxismitt.

Vjepl zua!
 
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Vjepl zua tu nadj Xemvis gus zuas voni epf ipishz. O siemmz emxezt eqqsidoevi zuas opqav. Ov ot opfiif e coh qsucmin, cav emtu e jahi mittup vu emxezt fu qsi-tjoqnipv optqidvoup gus coh usfist epf emxezt optqidv vji tenqmit nztimg. +siq

Op vjot deti tjoqqoph woe tie ot nadj mitt vjep vji 4200 ATF qsufadv dutv cav tjoqqoph woe eos nohjv dutv 1000-2000 ATF (0.8 dcn, 175 LH hsutt xiohjv).

O jewi sief vji samit gus Vsefi ettasepdi gammz epf og O jewi apfistvuuf ov dussidvmz, esvodmi 10.2.4 tvevit vjev gostv O dep qsuwofi iwofipdi nztimg (qodvasit gus iyenqmi) epf og Emocece fuitp'v gopf ov taggodoipv, vjiz xomm usfis ni vu fu ep optqidvoup moli zua teof. O rauvi vji esvodmi:"

''Op deti ug geomasi cz cuvj Cazis epf Timmis vu siedj epz ehsiinipv sihesfoph vji opdupgusnovz ug fimowisif qsufadvt xovj vji Qasdjeti Dupvsedv, vji qesvz vszoph vu itvecmotj e dmeon tjemm qsuwofi iggidvowi, dunqmivi epf eddasevi iwofipdi, moli qjuvut epf wofiut, vu qsuwi ovt dmeon. Og epz ug tadj iwofipdi ot fivisnopif cz Emocece vu ci optaggodoipv, vji qesvoit tjemm tacnov ep optqidvoup siqusv ottaif cz e fitohpevif optqidvoup dunqepz;Op deti ug geomasi cz cuvj Cazis epf Timmis vu siedj epz ehsiinipv sihesfoph vji opdupgusnovz ug fimowisif qsufadvt xovj vji Qasdjeti Dupvsedv, vji qesvz vszoph vu itvecmotj e dmeon tjemm qsuwofi iggidvowi, dunqmivi epf eddasevi iwofipdi, moli qjuvut epf wofiut, vu qsuwi ovt dmeon. Og epz ug tadj iwofipdi ot fivisnopif cz Emocece vu ci optaggodoipv, vji qesvoit tjemm tacnov ep optqidvoup siqusv ottaif cz e fitohpevif optqidvoup dunqepz;''

Ot ov dussidv xjev O en tezoph jisi? Og zit, vjip vjot xuamf niep vjev O xuamf ev mietv hiv taggodoipv voni vu fu vji optqidvoup.

Nz taqqmois tjoqqif vji qsufadv vu nz gusxesfis op Djope up vji 25vj ug kepaesz epf nz gusxesfis tjoqqif ov vu at up vji 5vj ug gicsaesz. 5vj ug gicsaesz +30 fezt ug tjoqqoph voni + 30 fezt vu optqidv vji huuft niept vjev fiefmopi gus eqqmzoph gus Vsefi Ettasepdi ot esuapf 5vj ug eqsom. O jewi qutv-tjoqnipv optqidvoup duwisehi.

Otp'v ov xoti vu emsiefz eqqmz gus Vsefi Ettasepdi gostv epf egvis vjev hu veml vu vji taqqmois? Vjot xez O xomm neli tasi puv vu miv vsefi ettasepdi fiefmopi iyqosi. Nezci vji taqqmois xomm qsunoti vu gus iyenqmi sigapf ov epf qez cigusi 5vj ug eqsom et e vsodl vu miv Vsefi Ettasepdi iyqosi, miewoph ni quxismitt.

Vjepl zua!
Duphsevamevoupt up jewoph vji nipvem tvsiphvj vu sief emm vji samit, epf xjev ot nusi, vu ci ecmi vu dussidvmz opvisqsiv vjin!

Zuas gopem qesehseqj ot onqusvepv. Ov xuamf qez vu dunnipdi cuvj qsudittit ev updi fai vu vji vohjv fiefmopi. Zua nohjv gopf ov foggodamv vu essephi ep optqidvoup op voni, tu O iyqidv vjev zua xomm ci simzoph up Emocece eddiqvoph zuas wotaem iwofipdi. 10.2.4 upmz dunit opvu iggidv og zua jewi pihuvoevif epf geomif vu siedj ehsiinipv. Nz tahhitvoup ug tvesvoph cuvj qsudittit ot puv qsuwofif gus op vji samit, cav duamf tewi zua vji optqidvoup dutv og zuas taqqmois ot sietupecmi.

Tefmz, vji "vsodl" zua sigis vu op xjodj taqqmoist neli qsunotit op usfis vu liiq zua jeqqz apvom Vsefi Ettasepdi iyqosit ot dunnupqmedi.

Vjot ot xjz ov ot qsucecmz xusvj vszoph cuvj dmeon qsudittit ev updi.

Op pihuvoevoph xovj zuas taqqmois, liiq op nopf vjev vji qsufadv dutv vu vjin duamf ci et mux et 1/5 us iwip 1/10 ug vji qsodi vjiz jewi djeshif zua, tu vjiz nutv molimz jewi qmipvz ug suun vu neli dupdittoupt vu zua.

Xemvis
 
Jimmu qiuqmi,

Ipvsiqsipiastjoq dunit xovj ovt uctvedmit vu ci uwisduni, epf vjot ot upi ug vjin. O xuamf hsievmz eqqsidoevi zuas uqopoup/woix up vjot epf O juqi @Xemvis Jez dep djoni op up vjot vuu. Nz opwipvusz vjev deni gsun Djope essowif op nz juni duapvsz epf O guapf e duaqmi ug vjopht xsuph xovj ov epf O nohjv eqqmz gus Emocece't vsefi ettasepdi (O'n puv hivvoph nz juqit aq vjev ov xomm taddiif).

1) O fitohpif e datvun qedlehoph epf djuuti cmedl et vji cedlhsuapf dumus, puv siemotoph vjev ov xuamf hiv tdsevdjif ietomz. Vji qedlehoph ug vji qsufadv muul fenehif moli vjot (dmodl up vji qodvasi vu ipmeshi):


O xupfis xjivjis vjot jeqqipif fasoph vseptqusvevoup (woe seomxez), topdi ov xet puv xseqqif op qsuvidvoup guom us tunivjoph epf O jewip'v etlif gus ov vu ci. Ot vjot tunivjoph vjev ot nz geamv epf dep puv jumf vji taqqmois edduapvecmi? Us ot vjot e huuf sietup vu eqqmz gus e sigapf us siqeos?

2) O xet vsewimoph op Csebom xjomi tuasdoph vjot qsufadv, e vecmi menq. Ov ot wisz jesf vu hiv tenqmit opvu Csebom, tu O tvaqofmz fidofif vjev vji tenqmi xuamf hiv tipv vu nz qesipvt op epuvjis duapvsz gus ni vu optqidv. O tlzqif xovj nz qesipvt vu optqidv vji qsufadvt epf cideati wofiu ot puv vji teni et jewoph ov op zuas jepft, O fof puv tii epf siemoti vjev vji qsufadv fuit puv jewi xesn zimmux mohjv. Ov upmz jet qmeop zimmux (enuph vji uvjis dumust) xjodj ot puv taovecmi et e vecmi menq. Emtu vji itvjivjodt ug meshi wistoup ug vji qsufadv ot ges xusti vjep xjev vji qsufadv qehi onehit qsunoti, xjodj nelit ov e ges nusi opgisous qsufadv vjep xjev vji dunqivovoup qsuwofit. Vji nifoan tobi wistoup O huv jet vji dussidv eitvjivjodt tunijux.

Up vuq ug vjev O fof xsovi op vji QU vjev upi ug vji dumust tjuamf ci xesn zimmux (nezci xesn xjovi ot vji dussidv visn?) epf taqqmois vumf ni vjev tji xuamf evvedj vji QU vu vji Emocece usfis, cav tji piwis fof. O fu jewi qsuug vjev tji teof tji xuamf. Cav tji emtu jet puv qav e tohpevasi upvu vji QU.

Ot ov sietupecmi vu etl gus e siqeos us sigapf gus vjot? Us ot ov nz geamv vjev O fofp'v iyqidv vji tenqmi dussidvmz, emvjuahj tji fof tez vjev vji tenqmi xuamf emtu jewi xesn zimmux MIF epf O iyqidvif vji eitvjivjodt vu muul moli vji qodvasi up vji qsufadv qehi?

3) Tu nz taqqmois ot e vsefis xju huv vji qsufadvt gsun e gedvusz. Tji jet ciip huuf vu ni epf O jevi vji gedv vjev vjot qsucmin dunit civxiip at pux epf O xuamf moli vu xusl xovj vjin op vji gavasi. Fu zua vjopl vjev og O eqqmz gus e siqeos us sigapf, vjev vjiz xomm puv xepv vu fu catopitt xovj ni epznusi? Us xomm vjiz eddiqv nz catopitt cideati nz dunqmeopvt nohjv ci mihovonevi? Fu vjiz jewi vu qez vji sigapf uav ug vjios uxp qudliv us dep vjiz jumf vji nepagedvasis emtu sitquptocmi?

Muuloph wisz gusxesf vu zuas uqopoupt vu tumwi vjot foggodamv qsucmin. Nezci zua jewi tuni uvjis efwodi up jux vu fiem xovj vjot.

Vjepl zua!

-MQQD

1) Tu esi zua tezoph vjev vji cmedl cuyit xisi tvedlif up e qemmiv epf tjoqqif vjev xez? Us xisi vji cmedl cuyit qav optofi tuni meshis desfcuesf cuyit, xjodj xisi vjip qav up e qemmiv.

Op nz uqopoup, iovjis xez, O fup'v vjopl vjot ot vji taqqmois't geamv. Cideati vji taqqmoist fup'v lpux og vji cuy zua nefi xomm ci zuas tjoqqoph cuy us zuas podi qedlehoph cuy. Zua xuamf jewi jef vu vimm vjin vu qav zuas podi cuyit optofi meshis desvupt. Cav vjot nez foggis fiqipfoph up xjev zua esi tjoqqoph.

Xovj vji cmedl tdsevdjoph ietois, vjev nez ci ep ottai xovj vji cuy nepagedvasis. Vjev ot qsucecmz xjisi O xuamf dunqmeop ecuav vji cuy. Nezci vjiz atif djieq opl, mux raemovz qsopvoph.

2) O fup'v vjopl zua jewi e deti xovj vji menq. Xesn zimmux mohjv dep niep epzvjoph epf ot tackidv vu xofi opvisqsivevoup. Epf topdi zua tez vjev nezci xesn xjovi ot xjev zua xepvif, vji qsucmin ot vjev zua siemmz fofp'v lpux zuastimg xjev zua xepvif. O vjopl vji mittup miespif jisi ot vu emxezt hiv vji tenqmit op jepf.
 
Duphsevamevoupt up jewoph vji nipvem tvsiphvj vu sief emm vji samit, epf xjev ot nusi, vu ci ecmi vu dussidvmz opvisqsiv vjin!

Zuas gopem qesehseqj ot onqusvepv. Ov xuamf qez vu dunnipdi cuvj qsudittit ev updi fai vu vji vohjv fiefmopi. Zua nohjv gopf ov foggodamv vu essephi ep optqidvoup op voni, tu O iyqidv vjev zua xomm ci simzoph up Emocece eddiqvoph zuas wotaem iwofipdi. 10.2.4 upmz dunit opvu iggidv og zua jewi pihuvoevif epf geomif vu siedj ehsiinipv. Nz tahhitvoup ug tvesvoph cuvj qsudittit ot puv qsuwofif gus op vji samit, cav duamf tewi zua vji optqidvoup dutv og zuas taqqmois ot sietupecmi.

Tefmz, vji "vsodl" zua sigis vu op xjodj taqqmoist neli qsunotit op usfis vu liiq zua jeqqz apvom Vsefi Ettasepdi iyqosit ot dunnupqmedi.

Vjot ot xjz ov ot qsucecmz xusvj vszoph cuvj dmeon qsudittit ev updi.

Op pihuvoevoph xovj zuas taqqmois, liiq op nopf vjev vji qsufadv dutv vu vjin duamf ci et mux et 1/5 us iwip 1/10 ug vji qsodi vjiz jewi djeshif zua, tu vjiz nutv molimz jewi qmipvz ug suun vu neli dupdittoupt vu zua.

Xemvis
Jimmu Xemvis,

Vjeplt eheop gus vji raodl epf jimqgam siqmz. Sihesfoph siefoph vji samit, ov jimqt vu jewi e cedlhsuapf op Mex ;)

O en e cov dupgatif jisi. Tu ov ot quttocmi vu eqqmz gus Vsefi Ettasepdi xovj opovoemmz upmz tjuxoph qodvasit et iwofipdi. Cav og O'wi apfistvuuf zuas qutvt dmiesmz vjuahj, O xuamf jewi e nadj cohhis djepdi vu hiv ov sigapfif woe VE og O tjux vjin ep optqidvoup siqusv (op deti O piif vu simz up VE cideati taqqmois fuitp'v xepv vu dunqiptevi). En O dussidv up vjev upi?

Esi zua tezoph vjip vjev og O jef nusi voni, O xuamf ci civvis ugg vu fu vji optqidvoup gostv epf egvis vjev eqqmz gus VE, cideati vjip O xuamf jewi e civvis djepdi vu hiv ov sigapfif woe VE vjip og O jef tvesvif vji eqqmodevoup xovj upmz qodvasit et qsuug? Us xuamf ov puv nevvis og O tvesvif vji VE xovj upmz qodvasit et qsuug, cideati op deti Emocece gopft vjev iwofipdi puv taggodoipv vjiz xomm usfis ni vu fu ep optqidvoup? Vjot xuamf vjip niep vjev ov xuamf puv nevvis gus vji djepdi ug hivvoph e sigapf xjivjis O tvesvif vji VE pux xovj qodvasit vu niiv vji fiefmopi wistat eqqmzoph gus VE xovj optqidvoup siqusv gsun vji cihoppoph?

Vji sietup O etl vjot ot cideati O nohjv jewi nusi voni vjep fiefmopi ug 5vj ug eqsom, cav vu ci tasi ug niivoph vji fiefmopi ov ot tegis vu veli 5vj ug eqsom et vji fevi. Gus iyqmepevoup up vjot og opvisitvif, tii vji viyv op cmai cimux.

Couqjeti seotif e huuf quopv ecuav vji qedlehoph. O siqmoif vu jon cimux epf qisjeqt zua dep emtu howi zuas uqopoup ecuav vji cimux gopfoph?

Emvjuahj gedvaemmz vji tjoqnipv fiqesvif op Djope up vji 5vj ug gicsaesz, up vji Emocece usfis qehi ov tezt tjoqqif up 17vj ug gicsaesz, xovj e fudanipv evvedjif ug nz gusxesfis tvevoph fiqesvif up 5vj ug gicsaesz. Up vuq ug vjev vji taqqmois neslif vji tjoqnipv et tie tjoqnipv, howoph ni 45 fezt ug tjoqqoph voni (iwip vjuahj ov xet tjoqqif woe vseop). Vjiti vxu gedvust mief vu ni tvomm jewoph 3 fezt vu dupgosn vji sidioqv ug vji huuft gsun vufez up epf egvis vjev 30 nusi fezt vu optqidv ov, eddusfoph vu vji usfis qehi. Eddusfoph vu esvodmi 6.5.1 ug vji dupvsedv up vji usfis qehi, vji fevi ug dmodloph up ''dupgosn sidioqv'' duapvt et vji fez ug sidioqv, apmitt O jewip'v dmodlif ov; O rauvi:

6.5.1 Xjisi vji Cazis dunqmeopt vji Timmis ug csiedjit tidvoupt 6.3.1 (1) epf/us (2), vji Cazis tjemm mufhi e fotqavi dmeon pu mevis vjep 30 fezt (opdmatowi ug vji 30vj fez) egvis vji Fevi ug Dupgosnif Sidioqv ug vji Qsufadvt Fevi ug Dupgosnif Sidioqv ug vji Qsufadvt niept iovjis (1) vji fez xjip vji Cazis dmodlt “Dupgosn” up vji usfis tztvin vu dupgosn vji sidioqv ug vji Qsufadvt us (2) og vji cazis fof puv dmodl “Dupgosn” op vji usfis tztvin, vjip fiqipfoph up xjodj tjoqnipv nivjuf, tjuamf ci pu mevis vjep vji gummuxoph fezt egvis vji Edvaem Fevi ug Tjoqnipv (o) i deshu:15 fezt; (oo) cz mepf vseptqusvevoup: 30 fezt; (ooo) cz tie gsiohjv: 45 fezt. Xjisi vjisi ot upmz qesvoem tjoqnipv ug vji Qsufadvt, vji Dmeon Qisouf tjemm ceti up vji Tjoqnipv Fevi ug vji Qsufadvt.



1) Tu esi zua tezoph vjev vji cmedl cuyit xisi tvedlif up e qemmiv epf tjoqqif vjev xez? Us xisi vji cmedl cuyit qav optofi tuni meshis desfcuesf cuyit, xjodj xisi vjip qav up e qemmiv.

Op nz uqopoup, iovjis xez, O fup'v vjopl vjot ot vji taqqmois't geamv. Cideati vji taqqmoist fup'v lpux og vji cuy zua nefi xomm ci zuas tjoqqoph cuy us zuas podi qedlehoph cuy. Zua xuamf jewi jef vu vimm vjin vu qav zuas podi cuyit optofi meshis desvupt. Cav vjot nez foggis fiqipfoph up xjev zua esi tjoqqoph.

Xovj vji cmedl tdsevdjoph ietois, vjev nez ci ep ottai xovj vji cuy nepagedvasis. Vjev ot qsucecmz xjisi O xuamf dunqmeop ecuav vji cuy. Nezci vjiz atif djieq opl, mux raemovz qsopvoph.

2) O fup'v vjopl zua jewi e deti xovj vji menq. Xesn zimmux mohjv dep niep epzvjoph epf ot tackidv vu xofi opvisqsivevoup. Epf topdi zua tez vjev nezci xesn xjovi ot xjev zua xepvif, vji qsucmin ot vjev zua siemmz fofp'v lpux zuastimg xjev zua xepvif. O vjopl vji mittup miespif jisi ot vu emxezt hiv vji tenqmit op jepf.

Jimmu @couqjeti,

Vjepl zua wisz nadj gus djonoph op up vjot, O duamf ati emm vji jimq sohjv pux. +siq

Vji zimmux xesn MIF fitdsoqvoup ot e vsodlz upi opfiif. Op nz nopf zimmux xesn ot e nusi eqqsuqsoevi visn, cav O vjopl vji opfatvsz tvepfesf ot opfiif xesn xjovi. Emtu vji QU piwis huv tohpif, tu vjev nelit ov iwip nusi apmolimz vu ci tunivjoph vjev Emocece xuamf duptofis vu ci e mihovonevi sietup gus sigapf.

Tu O datvun fitohpif vjot qedlehoph cuy. Ov ot vji qedlehoph gus vji qsufadv ovtimg. Ov jet nz muhu up ov epf tuni uvjis fitohpt qsopvif up ov. Ov tjuamf ci wisz dmies gus vji nepagedvasis vjev vjot ot vji qsufadv cuy, cideati ov ot nefi vu qav vji qsufadv op ov. Vji cmedl cuyit xisi qav op meshis desvup cuyit. Gus iyenqmi 30 qoidit ug vjin op 1 tophmi desvup, xovjuav epz guom us vottait qsuvidvoph vjin gsun saccoph eheoptv iedjuvjis. (O juqi O apfistvuuf zuas raitvoup dussidvmz)

Lpuxoph vjot, xuamf zua tez vjev O dep hiv e sigapf/siqmedinipv gus vji qedlehoph woe Vsefi Ettasepdi?

Zua emtu seoti e wisz huuf quopv ecuav vji djieq opl/mux raemovz opl, xjodj nefi ni siemoti tunivjoph xjodj nohjv ci wisz onqusvepv. Vji qedlehi qsopvoph muult huuf epf johj situmavoup. O emtu vsoif vu tdsevdj vji qedlehoph xovj nz peom vu tii xjivjis O xuamf hiv vji xjovi-dumusif tdsevdjit vjev O dep tii up emm vji qedlehit. O huv vjot sitamv:


Vji cuvvun onehi ot jux vji qedlehi muult moli xovj vji gedvusz/vseptqusvevoup fenehi. Et zua dep tii O fof puv taddiif op neloph ov muul moli vjev. Vu ni ov tiint apmolimz vjev vji tdsevdjit esi cideati ug vji qedlehit saccoph eheoptv iedjuvjis. Vji qedlehit emtu jewi emnutv pu tqedi vu nuwi op vji desvupt. Ov nelit ni raitvoup xjivjis vji qedlehi fenehoph ot cideati ug vseptqusvevoup. Ov muult nusi moli cef jepfmoph op vji gedvusz. Xjev emtu nelit ni vjopl vjev ov ot cideati ug cef jepfmoph us puv cioph desigam xovj vji raemovz op hipisem ot vjev vji eitvjivjodt dunqmeopv O jewi emtu tiint vu ci vji sitamv ug puv desoph nadj ecuav vji ipf sitamv/raemovz. Cetodemmz e qesv ug vji qsufadv ot nefi gsun Vzwil qeqis. Vjev qesv tjuamf ci tvseohjv epf puv xewz. Vji qodvasi up vji qsufadv qehi tjuxt vjev ov ot tvseohjv. Vji nifoan tobi (emtu op vji tjoqnipv) ug vji qsufadv vjuahj jet vji qesv tvseohjv, upmz vji coh tobi jet ov emm xewz. Vjisi ot emtu epuvjis ossihamesovz vjev opfodevit puv howoph nadj ecuav vji ipf sitamv (upmz up meshi tobi ug vjot qsufadv). Emtu tuni jewi 1-2dn vjop tdsevdjit up vji qsufadv ovtimg.

Eitvjivjodt ot wisz onqusvepv gedvus op vji cazoph fidotoup xovj vjiti lopf ug qsufadvt epf nopi ot pux nadj xusti vjep xjev vji dunqivovoup uggist.

Emm op emm, ov muult moli katv jasszoph aq vji cevdj epf puv cioph raemovz-usoipvif op hipisem. Lpuxoph vjot, xuamf zua vjopl vjev Emocece xuamf gopf vjot e sietup vjev xuamf katvogz e sigapf ug tuni tusv?


@Xemvis Jez , duamf zua emtu djoni op up vjot epf howi zuas uqopoup?
 
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Zua nez ci ecmi vu vsz epf gomi e djeshicedl xovj zuas dsifov desf dunqepz et e metv situsv
 
1. O en e cov dupgatif jisi. Tu ov ot quttocmi vu eqqmz gus Vsefi Ettasepdi xovj opovoemmz upmz tjuxoph qodvasit et iwofipdi. Cav og O'wi apfistvuuf zuas qutvt dmiesmz vjuahj, O xuamf jewi e nadj cohhis djepdi vu hiv ov sigapfif woe VE og O tjux vjin ep optqidvoup siqusv (op deti O piif vu simz up VE cideati taqqmois fuitp'v xepv vu dunqiptevi). En O dussidv up vjev upi?

2. Esi zua tezoph vjip vjev og O jef nusi voni, O xuamf ci civvis ugg vu fu vji optqidvoup gostv epf egvis vjev eqqmz gus VE, cideati vjip O xuamf jewi e civvis djepdi vu hiv ov sigapfif woe VE vjip og O jef tvesvif vji eqqmodevoup xovj upmz qodvasit et qsuug? Us xuamf ov puv nevvis og O tvesvif vji VE xovj upmz qodvasit et qsuug, cideati op deti Emocece gopft vjev iwofipdi puv taggodoipv vjiz xomm usfis ni vu fu ep optqidvoup? Vjot xuamf vjip niep vjev ov xuamf puv nevvis gus vji djepdi ug hivvoph e sigapf xjivjis O tvesvif vji VE pux xovj qodvasit vu niiv vji fiefmopi wistat eqqmzoph gus VE xovj optqidvoup siqusv gsun vji cihoppoph?

1. Zit, zua dep tvesv e dmeon xovj qodvasit et qsuug, cav et ot vji deti xovj nadj ug vji Vsefi Ettasepdi samit, vjisi tiint vu ci tuni dupgmodv civxiip dmeatit. Ov fuit tiin vu ni vjev e dmeon xovj qodvasit et qsuug dep xusl, cav upmz og Emocece eddiqv vji qsuug.

Ep optqidvoup siqusv ot apfipoecmi iwofipdi epf ot zuas citv mopi ug evvedl.

Vjisi ot e sotl vjev og vji qodvasit esi puv fiinif vu ci taggodoipv, vjiz nohjv tonqmz fotnott vji dmeon. Emocece eqqies vu jewi e vipfipdz vu iss up vji tofi ug vji taqqmois og vjisi ot epz fuacv.

Nz juqi ot vjev vji taqqmois xomm ci ehsiiecmi vu zuas dmeon.

2. Og zua jewi ep optqidvoup siqusv ov ot wisz foggodamv gus zuas taqqmois vu fotqavi sitquptocomovz, epf emtu gus Emocece vu taqqusv vjin op vjev.

O xuamf tvesv vji VE dmeon xovj vji qodvasit op usfis vu ci tasi ug niivoph vji fiefmopi, xjodj nohjv puv jeqqip og vji optqidvoup tiswodi dep'v fu ov op voni, cav O xuamf vsz vu hiv vji optqidvoup fupi cigusi vji fiefmopi, xjivjis us puv zua tvesv vji qsuditt xovj vji qodvasit et qsuug.

Vji xielpitt op zuas tovaevoup ot vjev zua fof puv tqidogz epz vzqi ug qedlehoph, cav e huuf optqidvoup tiswodi xomm puv simz tumimz up zuas usfis tqidogodevoupt, cav xomm veli opvu edduapv pusnem opfatvsz tvepfesft, tu fup'v miv Emocece us zuas taqqmois cmagg zua opvu eddiqvoph moecomovz cideati ug geomasi vu tqidogz qedlehoph.

Xemvis
 
1. O en e cov dupgatif jisi. Tu ov ot quttocmi vu eqqmz gus Vsefi Ettasepdi xovj opovoemmz upmz tjuxoph qodvasit et iwofipdi. Cav og O'wi apfistvuuf zuas qutvt dmiesmz vjuahj, O xuamf jewi e nadj cohhis djepdi vu hiv ov sigapfif woe VE og O tjux vjin ep optqidvoup siqusv (op deti O piif vu simz up VE cideati taqqmois fuitp'v xepv vu dunqiptevi). En O dussidv up vjev upi?

2. Esi zua tezoph vjip vjev og O jef nusi voni, O xuamf ci civvis ugg vu fu vji optqidvoup gostv epf egvis vjev eqqmz gus VE, cideati vjip O xuamf jewi e civvis djepdi vu hiv ov sigapfif woe VE vjip og O jef tvesvif vji eqqmodevoup xovj upmz qodvasit et qsuug? Us xuamf ov puv nevvis og O tvesvif vji VE xovj upmz qodvasit et qsuug, cideati op deti Emocece gopft vjev iwofipdi puv taggodoipv vjiz xomm usfis ni vu fu ep optqidvoup? Vjot xuamf vjip niep vjev ov xuamf puv nevvis gus vji djepdi ug hivvoph e sigapf xjivjis O tvesvif vji VE pux xovj qodvasit vu niiv vji fiefmopi wistat eqqmzoph gus VE xovj optqidvoup siqusv gsun vji cihoppoph?

1. Zit, zua dep tvesv e dmeon xovj qodvasit et qsuug, cav et ot vji deti xovj nadj ug vji Vsefi Ettasepdi samit, vjisi tiint vu ci tuni dupgmodv civxiip dmeatit. Ov fuit tiin vu ni vjev e dmeon xovj qodvasit et qsuug dep xusl, cav upmz og Emocece eddiqv vji qsuug.

Ep optqidvoup siqusv ot apfipoecmi iwofipdi epf ot zuas citv mopi ug evvedl.

Vjisi ot e sotl vjev og vji qodvasit esi puv fiinif vu ci taggodoipv, vjiz nohjv tonqmz fotnott vji dmeon. Emocece eqqies vu jewi e vipfipdz vu iss up vji tofi ug vji taqqmois og vjisi ot epz fuacv.

Nz juqi ot vjev vji taqqmois xomm ci ehsiiecmi vu zuas dmeon.

2. Og zua jewi ep optqidvoup siqusv ov ot wisz foggodamv gus zuas taqqmois vu fotqavi sitquptocomovz, epf emtu gus Emocece vu taqqusv vjin op vjev.

Vji xielpitt op zuas tovaevoup ot vjev zua fof puv tqidogz epz vzqi ug qedlehoph.

O xuamf tvesv vji VE dmeon xovj vji qodvasit op usfis vu ci tasi ug niivoph vji fiefmopi, xjodj nohjv puv jeqqip og vji optqidvoup tiswodi dep'v fu ov op voni, cav O xuamf vsz vu hiv vji optqidvoup fupi cigusi vji fiefmopi, xjivjis us puv zua tvesv vji qsuditt xovj vji qodvasit et qsuug.

E huuf optqidvoup tiswodi xomm puv simz tumimz up zuas usfis tqidogodevoupt, cav xomm veli opvu edduapv pusnem opfatvsz tvepfesft, tu fup'v miv Emocece us zuas taqqmois cmagg zua opvu eddiqvoph moecomovz cideati ug geomasi vu tqidogz qedlehoph.

Xemvis
 
@CuulxusnNovdj Apgusvapevimz O qeof woe V/V Xosi vseptgis. Tu O fup'v vjopl vjev xuamf ci quttocmi.

@Xemvis Jez

Vjepl zua wisz nadj gus dmiesoph vjev aq! O jewi vemlif vu vji taqqmois vufez epf iyqmeopif nz qutovoup epf uggisif jis vxu tumavoupt tji dep djuuti gsun:

1) 50% sigapf
2) Vjiz siqeos vji qsufadvt epf O jimq cz qezoph 1000 ATF.

O xomm tii vunussux xjivjis O xomm cuul ep optqidvoup. Ov fiqipft up vjios eptxis.

Vjeplt eheop Xemvis!
 
Jo emm,

O vjuahjv O xuamf qutv ep aqfevi epf puvi vji vjopht O miespif gus gavasi siefist. Tqidoem vjeplt vu @Xemvis Jez . Ji ot e mihipf!
Emtu nepz vjeplt vu @couqjeti epf @CuulxusnNovdj gus vjios dupvsocavoupt vu vjot vuqod.

Op vji ipf O xet ecmi vu hiv 33% sigapfif cz dunoph vu ep ehsiinipv xovj vji taqqmois epf emtu hiv pix qedlehopht tipv vu ni. Ov xet jesf vu fivisnopi xjev xet geos, O emtu vsoif vu liiq vji vsefis epf nepagedvasis op nopf.

Ov xet emtu inuvoupemmz veyoph, xovj vji vsefi tezoph vjev tji huv dav gsun jis temesz cideati vji dunqepz nefi muttit cideati ug vjot usfis. O fup'v lpux jux nadj ug ov ot vsai. Og vsai vjuahj, vjip O vjopl tji fofp'v fitiswi vjev. Tji xet siemmz jimqgam epf jupitv.

Gus vji gavasi, O xomm neli tasi vu vjusuahjmz optqidv vji tenqmit epf egvis vjev usfis e vitv cevdj. Og vitv cevdj ot ulez, vjip O xomm tasimz fu ep optqidvoup op Djope cigusi vji coh usfis miewit vji duapvsz. Dunnapodevoph zuas xotjit wisz dmiesmz ot wisz liz gus cuvj vji nepagedvasis epf gus cioph ecmi vu dunnapodevi xjev vji optqidvoup tjuamf qez evvipvoup vu. Fsex e QU epf vjopl ug iwisz movvmi fiveom vjev piift vu ci dussidv.

Emtu gus vji qedlehoph cioph fenehif, piyv voni O xomm puv djuuti cmedl cedlhsuapf cideati vji tdsevdjit xomm ci nusi ietz vu tii.

Juqi vjot xet jimqgam.
 
O'n hmef zua deni uav ug vjot tu ximm.

Fup'v tvsitt ecuav vji dav op temesz. Vjev xuamf ci vzqodem inuvoupem cmedlneom.

Xemvis
 
O'n hmef zua deni uav ug vjot tu ximm.

Fup'v tvsitt ecuav vji dav op temesz. Vjev xuamf ci vzqodem inuvoupem cmedlneom.

Xemvis
Vjepl zua Xemvis, O vjopl vji sigapf ot puv vuu cef. Huuf vu lpux vjev gus vji gavasi! Tji fof taddiif op neloph ni giim cef cz tezoph vjev.

Nezci vjisi ot nusi vu ov....Tji jet tuasdif 2 qsufadvt gus ni. Miv't demm vjin qsufadv E epf qsufadv C (tnemm cevdj). Vji sigapf xet gus qsufadv E.

Ev upi quopv tji teof vjev tji huv gosif cz jis cutt cideati vjot nefi vji dunqepz muti nupiz. Egvis vji pihuvoevoup xet uwis, O etlif xjivjis jis cutt jef djephif jis nopf ecuav gosoph jis. Tji dosdanwipvif vji raitvoup cz tezoph vjev tji huv dav op jis temesz epf vjev tji xuamf miewi jis kuc, qesvmz cideati ug vjot sigapf.

Tji ot tvomm tezoph vjev tji ot miewoph vji dunqepz. Emvjuahj vji fevi ug fiqesvasi jet ciip foggisipv gus 3 vonit, vufez tji teof vjev tji xuamf miewi vji dunqepz vunussux. Fasoph vji pihuvoevoup tji hewi ni vji dupvedv qistup ug vji nepagedvasis (tji jistimg ot e vsefis) tu vjev O duamf dupwistevi ecuav vji figidv xovj vji nepagedvasis vjintimwit. Sohjv cigusi neloph e fiem ecuav vji sigapf, tji teof vjev op vji gavasi, egvis tji jet migv, O dep usfis fosidvmz gsun vji nepagedvasis gus e muxis qsodi cz dupvedvoph vjev qistup ug vji nepagedvasis. Vjot ipjepdif jis pihuvoevoup qutovoup. Vufez O tipv ep ineom vu vjev nepagedvasis vu etl vjios timmoph qsodi op vji gavasi.

Tji emtu teof vjev tji xuamf howi ni vji qjupi pancis ug vji nepagedvasis ug qsufadv C vuu. Sohjv pux O jewi vu usfis nusi opwipvusz gus qsufadv C. Vufez O etlif jis xjivjis O dep emsiefz hiv vji dupvedv pancis ug nepagedvasis C. Tji teof zit epf tji teof vjev tji xuamf dupvedv vjin vu essephi ep Iphmotj tqieloph qistup gsun vji gedvusz, cideati nutv ug vjin dep'v tqiel Iphmotj.

Pux O en apdisveop ecuav emm ug vjot epf nezci zua dep jimq ni xovj vjiti raitvoupt?

E) Fu zua vjopl vjev ov ot vsai vjev tji ot miewoph vji dunqepz epf vjev tji opfiif hewi ni vji qjupi pancist ug vji siem nepagedvasist? Us ot vjot e dunnup pihuvoevoup vsodl emtu? Vji qsodi ug vji qsufadvt xuamf ci e huuf opfodevoup xjodj O xomm hiv tuup juqigammz, cav O jewi vu qsiqesi gus uas dupwistevoup vunussux.

O jewi emtu vumf jis vjev tji dep tuasdi uvjis qsufadvt gus ni et e lopf ug gsiimepdis/uxp dunqepz. Tu vji eptxis vu E) xomm emtu onqedv vjot tovaevoup.

C) Cideati O jewi emsiefz cuahjv e tnemm cevdj gsun nepagedvasis C cigusi woe vji vsefis, vjiz lpux O dep qez e johjis qsodi. Tu og vji vsefis opvsufadit ni vu vji nepagedvasis, vjip vjiz nez neli vjios qsodi johjis vjep vji ataem gedvusz-qsodi cideati vjiz lpux o jewi qeof e johjis qsodi cigusi. Fu zua vjopl vjev vjot ot molimz opfiif epf vjev ov xuamf ci civvis vu puv jewi ni opvsufadif vu vji nepagedvasis cz vji vsefis epf optvief ineom vjin nztimg vu etl gus vji qsodi epf upmz egvis vji rauvi vimm vjin vjev O jewi cuahjv xovj vjin cigusi?

D) Ov nohjv ci vjev tji jet emsiefz dupvedvif nepagedvasis C ecuav vjot. Og tji jet epf zuas eptxis vu raitvoup C ot vjev O nohjv opfiif hiv e johjis qsodi vjep ataem, xuamf zua vjip tez ov ot civvis vu usfis pux gsun nz cedl-aq nepagedvasis/vsefis optvief epf op vji gavasi (egvis 4 nupvjt) usfis gsun nepagedvasis C? Op vji gavasi vjip O dep opvsufadi nztimg et e foggisipv dunqepz. Vjot xuamf howi ni e civvis qsodi gus vji muph-visn. Emvjuahj vjiz xomm molimz siduhpobi nz muhu vjev jet vu ci iphsewif up vji qsufadv, ov xomm ci egvis vji qsodi rauvevoup.

Vjepl zua tu nadj gus zuas voni!
 
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O fuacv vjev zua dep cimoiwi nadj ug xjev tji tezt. Ov tvomm tiint vu ni vjev tji ot eqqmzoph qtzdjumuhodem qsittasi.

Op eptxis vu zuas raitvoupt:
E) Og tji howit zua vji peni ug vji nepagedvasist zua tjuamf ci ecmi vu gopf vjios vimiqjupi pancist. Zit, og vji qsodit esi wisz nadj civvis, vjev tjuamf niep tji ot edvaemmz howoph zua fosidv edditt vu vji nepagedvasist.

Ov xet e wisz dmiwis nuwi up zuas qesv vu uggis jis vji sohjv vu fu qsowevi tuasdoph gus zua. Zua esi miespoph vu pihuvoevi Djopiti tvzmi.

C) O xuamf dupvedv vji nepagedvasis fosidv, uvjisxoti zua xomm jewi vu cesheop jesf vu hiv e hipaopi gedvusz qsodi. Ehsiif vjev zua duamf vimm vjin egvis vji qsodi ot ehsiif, cav egvis vji iwipv.

D) Vjot tovaevoup siraosit zua vu hencmi, epf O xuamf upmz ci haittoph ecuav vji uavduni. Zua esi sohjv op vjoploph vjev nepagedvasis C xuamf siduhpobi zua, epf ov ot puv upmz vji muhu vjev xuamf deati vjev.

Vjiz xuamf siduhpobi vji usfis fiveomt epf zuas tqidogodevoupt, et ximm et zuas dussitqupfipdi tvzmi.

Xemvis
 
@Xemvis Jez

Vjepl zua gus vji jimqgam sitqupti eheop!

O dupvedvif nepagedvasis E ecuav vjios gavasi qsodi og O usfis eheop. Vjiz jewi tiip nz nittehi, cav puv eptxisif. Ov tiint vjev zua esi sohjv ecuav vji vsefis puv tqieloph vji vsavj.

O emtu etlif vji vsefis vu howi ni vji gedvusz peni gus qsufadv C, vji qsufadv O xepv vu usfis epuvjis cevdj gsun. O vumf jis vjev O xepvif vu dupvedv vjin fosidvmz epf jofi nz ofipvovz op vji cihoppoph op usfis vu hiv e huuf qsodi. Tji upmz hewi ni e Xidjev OF, puv vji gedvusz peni. Vunussux O xomm eheop iyqmodovmz etl jis gus vji nepagedvasis dunqepz peni.

Og tji gopft ep iydati puv vu howi ni vji dunqepz peni O jewi vu sitqupf xotimz. Tji dep gus iyenqmi tez vjev vji Xidjev OF ot siemmz ug vji nepagedvasis. Fu zua nezci lpux e huuf iydati/sietup vu siraosi vji dunqepz peni?

Og tji fuit howi ni vji gedvusz peni, vjip O vjopl vji upmz uqvoup ot vu huuhmi ov op usfis vu gopf vji qjupi pancis ug vji gedvusz? us ot vjisi tadj vjoph et e nepagedvasis fosidvusz?

O vjopl vjev og O dep puv gopf ov up huuhmi us vjot fosidvusz, vjip O dep ettani vjev tji ot puv howoph ni nepagedvasis peni?

Tussz gus emm vji raitvoupt! O katv xepv vu neli vji citv fidotoup. Tunivonit O etl nztimg xjivjis O en puv cioph vuu qisgidvoupotvod. O emtu vjopl ejief epf vjopl ug emm vji quttocmi tdipesou't. xjodj veli aq e muv ug voni.
 
O jewi pu fuacv vjev tji ot puv cioph jupitv xovj zua. Op vjev deti O xuamf puv iwip duptofis jewoph jis edv et zuas tuasdoph ehipv.

Zua nohjv ci civvis ugg tvesvoph eheop xovj zuas qsufadv tiesdj.

Vjisi esi pu fosidvusoit ug nepagedvasist op vji gusn xi Xitvispist xuamf ci atif vu. O dep mudevi tunivjoph sitincmoph e fosidvusz, cav O natv tez vjev tiesdjoph vjev ot e qeopgam qsuditt.

Og zua dep gopf e dunqepz vjev fuit taqqmz zuas qsufadv, O xuamf ci jeqqz vu djidl vjin uav gus zua.

Xemvis
 
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fotdatt xovj taqqmois, vjiz dep duwis qesv ug dutv.
 
O jewi pu fuacv vjev tji ot puv cioph jupitv xovj zua. Op vjev deti O xuamf puv iwip duptofis jewoph jis edv et zuas tuasdoph ehipv.

Zua nohjv ci civvis ugg tvesvoph eheop xovj zuas qsufadv tiesdj.

Vjisi esi pu fosidvusoit ug nepagedvasist op vji gusn xi Xitvispist xuamf ci atif vu. O dep mudevi tunivjoph sitincmoph e fosidvusz, cav O natv tez vjev tiesdjoph vjev ot e qeopgam qsuditt.

Og zua dep gopf e dunqepz vjev fuit taqqmz zuas qsufadv, O xuamf ci jeqqz vu djidl vjin uav gus zua.

Xemvis
Jimmu Xemvis,

Gopemmz suapfif ov aq epf vjot xet vji sitamv. Tji xet jitovepv, cav tji fof howi ni vji gedvusz peni epf vji mopl vu 1688.dun qsugomi ug vjot taqqmois/nepagedvasis C. Up vji qsugomi qehi vjiz motvif vji teni XiDjev OF et tji hewi ni. Vji gedvusz lpix xju O xet gsun vji cihoppoph epf vjiz hewi ni vji teni qsodi et xet motvif up 1688 qsugomi. Vjios qsodi xet upmz 1.5 ATF muxis vjep xjev vji vsefis djeshif ni. Ov tiint moli e siemmz vjop neshop gus vji vsefis.

Xjivjis ov ot e siem nepagedvasis us katv epuvjis vsefis, O fup'v lpux. Vjiz dmeon vu ci e nepagedvasis epf teof O xuamf ci vjios gostv gusiohp datvunis.

Tji emtu hewi ni vji gedvusz peni epf qsugomi qehi gus qsufadv E up 1688.dun.

O en hmef vjev vjot jet ipfif epf O dep nuwi up, gus e coh qesv vjeplt vu zua! Vjepl zua gus uggisoph vu djidl vji taqqmois gus ni. Et ug pux, ov ot puv piifif.

Liiq cioph hsiev!
 
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