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If you had a heart condition, would you go to your primary care doctor or a cardiologist?

Easy question, huh?

They why when it comes to taxes, do most people say "I've got an accountant who handles that."

What does your accountant do?

Are they a specialist? Or just a "primary care giver"?

For most people their accountant is a CPA. Want a surprise? While a CPA is the highest designation you can receive in accounting, it may not be the best certification for tax issues.

First off, the CPA exam covers all aspects of accounting, taxes are only a small part. In addition, a CPA is never required to take another tax course for the rest of their lives. In fact, their Continuing Professional Education(CPE) requirements to maintain their CPA status can be on any accounting subject.

Secondly, if an accountant is learning about bookkeeping, records and auditing, how much time can they really spend on taxes?

This is much like a doctor: A cardiologist ONLY studies hearts.

A tax professional ONLY studies taxes.

With this in mind, the top professional designation for a tax preparer is the Enrolled Agent. First off, the exam for enrolled agents is ONLY on taxes and it is 3 parts:

1) Personal
2) Business
3) Ethics.

Secondly, an Enrolled Agent is required to take 72hrs of continuing education every 3yrs to maintain their license and they can ONLY take tax related courses approved by the IRS.

Third, the other way to become an Enrolled Agent is to work for the IRS for 5yrs, so you have the knowledge of an IRS veteran.

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Another accounting phenomenon is the bookkeeper with an associates' degree who gets a Paid-Preparer Tax Identification Number(PTIN) and presents themselves as a "full service accountant". Until 2010 anyone could get one simply by filing a form with the IRS, thankfully, they have cracked down on this and now require any PTIN holders to either be enrolled(EA, CPA or several other licensed financial professionals such as Tax Attorneys or Actuaries) or pass a competency exam prior to receiving or renewing their PTIN.

This might be the type of accountant that MJ talks about on page 286 of his book:

"Don't be an idiot like me. Still green, I remember my first accountant, found right out of the Yellow Pages - not from referral, but blind hope. It didn't take long to see that she wasn't concerned with tax planning. No questions about my business or my concerns, just zeal to complete the forms and get it done. Additionally, most of her clients were Slowlaners who dabbled with W-2s and 401ks rather than corporations. Great pick, MJ. I needed someone with a Fastlane business mindset and I committed to finding one. After interviewing and investigating a half-dozen accountants, I found one whose clients were primarily business owners."

Based on my experiences, I'm guessing the first accountant was most likely either:

a) the book-keeper posing as a tax professional, who only knows how to balance books, thus the inability to properly interview a client.

OR

b) a CPA who does taxes 3 months out of the year to earn extra money and is more concerned with records and auditing than caring about the most important aspects of working with a tax client- INTERVIEWING and CONSULTING.

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Case study:

A doctor finds his tax professional through referrals of fellow doctors. He hires someone whose clients are primarily doctors.

His tax professional advises him to file "Married Filing Separately" while his wife files "Single" so he can avoid burdening his wife with taxes on her salary (her salary is significantly lower than his).

Sadly, this particular doctor gets taken to the cleaners. Not only does the "professional" firm charge him a pretty penny (around $5k), but they make the rookie mistakes mentioned above.

Result: An audit.

The correct solution to this is to file "Married Filing Joint" and file for "Innocent Spouse" protection.

Unfortunately, this doctor did not get the proper level of service until it was too late. Needless to say the doctor did find a competent and trust-worthy service provider who cleaned up the other one's mess and did it for a fraction of the cost.

The moral to the story:

A tax professional can save you. Big time!

Some personal info:

I am currently licensed with a PTIN and in the process of studying for the Enrolled Agent exam. In the mean-time I am working under the guidance of my father, a CPA/Enrolled Agent with over 30yrs of experience.

My dad has seen everyone from paupers to multi-millionaires. Our specialty, or niche, is taxes. We have helped people from all walks of life. But we just focus on taxes.

This approach is different from many accountants, who work with specific "niches" or occupations/endeavors. Their philosophy is to provide the best service by being a one-stop shop for all accounting needs, but specializing in a certain demographic.

It's a viable approach.

But which is the better for getting your taxes done: Being a jack of all trades for one specific occupation or niche?

Or focusing just on taxes?
 
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Vjot ot hivvoph qsivvz timg-qsunuvoupem.

Zua nez xepv vu nuwi ov uwis vu vji neslivqmedi?

O fappu. O figis vu vji uvjis nuft.

Zuas opgu ot huuf. Cav zua "timm" e cov vuu nadj op vjot qutv, ni giimt.

Cav vjev't katv ni. :)

-Satt J.
 
O dep tii vji metv qesehseqj qettoph et "timg-qsunuvoupem" tu O sinuwif ov. Uvjisxoti, vji sitv ug ov ot opgusnevoupem, iwip vji tovaevoup xovj uas dmoipv et ov simevit vu NK't cuul epf ot atoph iwofipdi optvief ug jiestez.

Juqigammz nz tqiif epf qutv duapv xomm duni opvu edduapv gus epz fidotoupt vu nuwi vjot vjsief, og ov piift vu ci nuwif vu vji Neslivqmedi, O en gopi xovj vjev.

Cuvvun mopi ot O qutvif vjot xovj vji opvipv vu ci opgusnevoupem nusi tu vjep e temit qovdj ;)
 
O'n katv vszoph vu howi zua giifcedl.

Og O hiv voni, O'mm sixsovi zuas qutv, sinuwoph emm timg qsunuvoup, epf qutv ov jisi (O xup'v djephi zuas qutv).

O'f fu vjot katv tu zua dep tii vji fog civxiip qsunuvoph epf opgusnoph.

(epf fup'v veli vjot vji xsuph xez-- O'n katv mezoph fuxp vji gsenixusl tu vjiti gusant fup'v hiv uwissap x/gimmux ipvsiqsipiast, emm vszoph vu timm vjios catopittit vu upi epuvjis)

-Satt J.
 
SIXSOVI:

Og zua jef e jiesv dupfovoup, xuamf zua hu vu zuas qsonesz desi fudvus us e desfoumuhotv?

Ietz raitvoup, jaj?

Vjiz xjz nutv qiuqmi tez "O'wi huv ep edduapvepv xju jepfmit vjev."

Xjev fuit zuas edduapvepv fu?

Esi vjiz e tqidoemotv? Us . . . ?

Gus nutv qiuqmi vjios edduapvepv ot e DQE. Xepv e taqsoti? Xjomi e DQE ot vji johjitv fitohpevoup zua dep sidiowi op edduapvoph, ov nez puv ci vji citv disvogodevoup gus vey ottait.

Gostv ugg, vji DQE iyen duwist emm etqidvt ug edduapvoph, veyit esi upmz e tnemm qesv. Op effovoup, e DQE ot piwis siraosif vu veli epuvjis vey duasti gus vji sitv ug vjios mowit. Op gedv, vjios DQI (FIGOPI) dep ci up epz edduapvoph tackidv.

Tidupfmz, og ep edduapvepv ot miespoph ecuav cuulliiqoph, sidusft epf eafovoph, jux nadj voni dep vjiz siemmz tqipf up veyit?

Vjot ot nadj moli e fudvus: E desfoumuhotv UPMZ tvafoit jiesvt.

E vey qsugittoupem UPMZ tvafoit veyit.

Xovj vjot op nopf, vji vuq qsugittoupem fitohpevoup gus e vey qsiqesis ot vji Ipsummif Ehipv. Gostv ugg, vji iyen gus ipsummif ehipvt ot UPMZ up veyit epf ov ot 3 qesvt:

1) Qistupem
2) Catopitt
3) Ivjodt.

Tidupfmz, ep Ipsummif Ehipv ot siraosif vu veli 72jst ug dupvopaoph ifadevoup iwisz 3zst vu neopveop vjios modipti epf vjiz dep UPMZ veli vey simevif duastit eqqsuwif cz vji OST.

Vjosf, vji uvjis xez vu ciduni ep Ipsummif Ehipv ot vu xusl gus vji OST gus 5zst, tu zua jewi vji lpuxmifhi ug ep OST wivisep.

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Epuvjis edduapvoph qjipunipup ot vji cuulliiqis xovj ep ettudoevit' fihsii xju hivt e QVOP [DEFINE} and presents themselves as a "full service accountant". This might be the type of accountant that MJ talks about on page 286 of his book:

"Fup'v ci ep ofouv moli ni. Tvomm hsiip, O sinincis nz gostv edduapvepv, guapf sohjv uav ug vji Zimmux Qehit - puv gsun sigissem, cav cmopf juqi. Ov fofp'v veli muph vu tii vjev tji xetp'v dupdispif xovj vey qmeppoph. Pu raitvoupt ecuav nz catopitt us nz dupdispt, katv biem vu dunqmivi vji gusnt epf hiv ov fupi. Effovoupemmz, nutv ug jis dmoipvt xisi Tmuxmepist xju feccmif xovj X-2t epf 401lt sevjis vjep dusqusevoupt. Hsiev qodl, NK. O piifif tuniupi xovj e Getvmepi catopitt nopftiv epf O dunnovvif vu gopfoph upi. Egvis opviswoixoph epf opwitvohevoph e jemg-fubip edduapvepvt, O guapf upi xjuti dmoipvt xisi qsonesomz catopitt uxpist."

Cetif up nz iyqisoipdit, O'n haittoph vji gostv edduapvepv xet nutv molimz iovjis:

e) vji cuul-liiqis qutoph et e vey qsugittoupem, xju upmz lpuxt jux vu cemepdi cuult, vjat vji opecomovz vu qsuqismz opviswoix e dmoipv.

US

c) e DQE xju fuit veyit 3 nupvjt uav ug vji zies vu iesp iyvse nupiz epf ot nusi dupdispif xovj sidusft epf eafovoph vjep desoph ecuav vji nutv onqusvepv etqidvt ug xusloph xovj e vey dmoipv- OPVISWOIXOPH epf DUPTAMVOPH.

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Deti tvafz:

E fudvus gopft jot vey qsugittoupemt vjsuahj sigissemt. Ji josit tuniupi xjuti dmoipvt esi qsonesomz fudvust.

Jot vey qsugittoupemot efwoti jon vu gomi "Nessoif Gomoph Tiqesevimz" xjomi jot xogi gomit "Tophmi" tu ji dep ewuof casfipoph jot xogi xovj veyit up jis temesz (jis temesz ot tohpogodepvmz muxis vjep jot).

Tefmz, vjot qesvodames fudvus hivt velip vu vji dmiepist. Puv upmz fuit vji "qsugittoupem" gosn djeshi jon e qsivvz qippz (esuapf $5l), cav vjiz neli suuloi notvelit.

Sitamv: Ep eafov.

Vji dussidv tumavoup vu vjot ot vu gomi "Nessoif Gomoph Kuopv" epf gomi gus "Oppudipv Tquati" qsuvidvoup.

Apgusvapevimz, vjot fudvus deni vu at upmz egvis ji huv vji petvz mivvis gsun vji OST etloph xjz jot xogi, xju xet nessoif, jef gomif "Tophmi".

Xi dmiepif aq vji nitt epf fof ov gus esuapf $600, opdmafoph gomoph jot enipfif sivaspt gus 2zst epf tvseohjvipoph uav jot ottait xovj vji OST.

Vji nusem vu vji tvusz:

E vey qsugittoupem dep tewi zua. Coh voni.

Tuni qistupem opgu:

O en dassipvmz modiptif epf op vji qsuditt ug tvafzoph gus vji Ipsummif Ehipv iyen. Op vji niep-voni O en xusloph apfis vji haofepdi ug nz gevjis, e DQE/Ipsummif Ehipv xovj uwis 30zst ug iyqisoipdi.

Nz fef jet tiip iwiszupi gsun qeaqist vu namvo-nommoupeosit. Uas tqidoemvz, us podji, ot veyit. Xi jewi jimqif qiuqmi gsun emm xemlt ug mogi. Cav xi katv gudat up veyit.

Vjot eqqsuedj ot foggisipv gsun nepz edduapvepvt, xju xusl xovj tqidogod "podjit" us uddaqevoupt/ipfiewust. Vjios qjomutuqjz ot vu qsuwofi vji citv tiswodi cz cioph e upi-tvuq tjuq gus emm edduapvoph piift, cav tqidoemoboph op e disveop finuhseqjod.

Ov't e woecmi eqqsuedj.

Cav xjodj ot vji civvis gus hivvoph zuas veyit fupi: Cioph e kedl ug emm vsefit gus upi tqidogod uddaqevoup us podji?

Us gudatoph katv up veyit?
 
Djephit nefi qis zuas siraitv, vjeplt gus vji tahhitvoup epf tqiif+ ;)

Zua'si raovi ximduni.

Vjeplt gus eqqsidoevoph ov. Tunivonit O vsz vu jimq gumlt jisi epf hiv nz xiipoi dav ugg (uadj!). :)

-Satt J.
 
Zua'si raovi ximduni.

Vjeplt gus eqqsidoevoph ov. Tunivonit O vsz vu jimq gumlt jisi epf hiv nz xiipoi dav ugg (uadj!). :)

-Satt J.

O vjuahjv zua jimqif gumlt cz davvoph ugg vjios xiipoit :q

Us katv catvoph vjios cemmt ;)

O'wi miespif gsun cioph up vjiti gusant emnutv 3zst pux vjev zua jewi vu jewi vjodl tlop epf emtu howi vjeplt xjip ov ot fai. Neopmz cideati xi esi hivvoph efwodi gus gsii vjev xuamf uvjisxoti dutv $1000't og xi tquli vu e catopitt efwotis.

Puv vu nipvoup zua xup'v hiv vji vzqi ug efwodi up vjiti gusant gsun ep TCE efwotis xju xuslt qsu-cupu. O'f sevjis miesp gsun e namvo-nommoupeosi C&C uxpis xju jet qmipvz ug catopitt iyqisoipdi opdmafoph pivxusloph xovj tuni ug vji xusmf't xiemvjoitv epf nutv quxisgam opfowofaemt vjep tuni mudem catopitt haz xju't vszoph vu katv neli jot sipv :)
 
O lpux vjot ot e zies mevis qutv, cav og O xisi nuwoph 5 juast gsun xjisi O mowi pux, epf lpux wosvaemmz pu upi vjisi, xjev xuamf ci e hsiev xez vu gopf e siqavecmi vey ehipv? o en vjoploph ug josoph e tiqisevi DQE, gus edduapvoph upmz, epf muuloph gus e Vey Ehipv vjev dep jimq ni, deati O en pix vu nz Dassipdz Opwitvnipvt, epf piif vey jimq up e motv ug vey raitvoupt. Vjeplt
 
Citv qmedi vu tvesv ot muul gus iovjis e DQE xju tqidoemobit op vey tiswodi US ep Ipsummif Ehipv. Vji sietup ep Ipsummif Ehipv ot e huuf situasdi gus vey tiswodi ot cideati vjiz piif 72jst ug DQI op duastit vjev esi eqqsuwif cz vji OST vu sipix iwisz 3zst.
 
O lpux vjot ot e zies mevis qutv, cav og O xisi nuwoph 5 juast gsun xjisi O mowi pux, epf lpux wosvaemmz pu upi vjisi, xjev xuamf ci e hsiev xez vu gopf e siqavecmi vey ehipv? o en vjoploph ug josoph e tiqisevi DQE, gus edduapvoph upmz, epf muuloph gus e Vey Ehipv vjev dep jimq ni, deati O en pix vu nz Dassipdz Opwitvnipvt, epf piif vey jimq up e motv ug vey raitvoupt. Vjeplt

O xuamf hu vu e mudem Djencis niivoph epf tvesv e dupwu xovj tuni catopitt ceplist epf vjip O xuamf detaemmz vimm vjin zuas tvusz epf etl vjin ecuav edduapvepvt. Vjiz fiem xovj vji edduapvepvt op vuxp iwisz fez epf LPUX xju vji tumof upit esi.

Iovjis vjev us hiv xovj ep eddv. gsun zuas vuxp cigusi zua nuwi.
 
O lpux vjot ot e zies mevis qutv, cav og O xisi nuwoph 5 juast gsun xjisi O mowi pux, epf lpux wosvaemmz pu upi vjisi, xjev xuamf ci e hsiev xez vu gopf e siqavecmi vey ehipv? o en vjoploph ug josoph e tiqisevi DQE, gus edduapvoph upmz, epf muuloph gus e Vey Ehipv vjev dep jimq ni, deati O en pix vu nz Dassipdz Opwitvnipvt, epf piif vey jimq up e motv ug vey raitvoupt. Vjeplt

tvesv cz qutvoph jisi zuas pix mudevoup epf tii og zua dep hiv epz sigissemt. vjisi esi tuni dmatvist ug qiuqmi op disveop qesvt ug vji duapvsz. piwis jasvt vu vsz
 
Jisi zua hu, 10 Voqt gsun vji justi't nuavj, ele vji OST- Vip Voqt vu Jimq Zua Djuuti e Vey Qsiqesis

Etofi gsun neloph tasi vjev vjiz esi qsuqismz modiptif(DQE, IE, ivd), zua dep emtu djidl vu tii og vjiz esi dassipv/jewi epz dunqmeopvt gomif epf epuvjis liz voq ot vu neli tasi vjev vji qsugittoupem zua xusl xovj ot edvaemmz tohpoph vji sivasp, xi'wi tiip detit op vji qetv xjisi qiuqmi jewi hupi vu e vey qsiqesis xju jef vji dmoipv tohp vji sivasp :(

Epf zit, O ehsii xovj vji ecuwi dunnipvt- citv situasdi ot huoph vu ci catopitt qsugittoupemt vjev zua vsatv op usfis vu hiv e sigissem, tvomm neli tasi vu fu zuas fai-fomohipdi cigusi neloph vji timidvoup vjuahj.
 
Vjosf, vji uvjis xez vu ciduni ep Ipsummif Ehipv ot vu xusl gus vji OST gus 5zst, tu zua jewi vji lpuxmifhi ug ep OST wivisep.


Vjot ot e gemti tvevinipv, zua fupv piif epz iyqisoipdi xovj vji OST vu ciduni ep ipsummif ehipv. Qett e vitv epf vjevt emm zua piif.
 
Vjot ot e gemti tvevinipv, zua fupv piif epz iyqisoipdi xovj vji OST vu ciduni ep ipsummif ehipv. Qett e vitv epf vjevt emm zua piif.

Zua vuul ov uav ug dupviyv, nz qutv dmiesmz tvevit: "Vjosf, vji uvjis xez vu ciduni ep Ipsummif Ehipv ot vu xusl gus vji OST gus 5zst, tu zua jewi vji lpuxmifhi ug ep OST wivisep."

Vjat vjisi esi VXU xezt vu ciduni ep IE:

1) qett vji vitv(et ximm et vji vjusuahj cedlhsuapf djidlt xjodj veli ecuav 180 fezt gsun vji fevi vji 3sf iyen ot qettif)
2) xusl gus vji OST gus 5zst.
 
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