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Me and @eliquid have been meaning to chat for years, and finally got round to it.
Here's 90 minutes of us chatting, knowing we're probably going to drop it into the forum.
Apologies that at about 30 mins it starts lagging. We turned off our videos and it gets a bit better. There's some periods in the middle where we lose Jason a bit, but it's great hearing his counter intuitive ideas about procrastination and other things.
EDIT: 07-Nov-24 ... I got NoteBookLM and ChatGPT to write summaries based on the transcript:
### NoteBookLM:
### ChatGPT:
Here's 90 minutes of us chatting, knowing we're probably going to drop it into the forum.
Apologies that at about 30 mins it starts lagging. We turned off our videos and it gets a bit better. There's some periods in the middle where we lose Jason a bit, but it's great hearing his counter intuitive ideas about procrastination and other things.
EDIT: 07-Nov-24 ... I got NoteBookLM and ChatGPT to write summaries based on the transcript:
### NoteBookLM:
Lone Wolves, Passion Projects, and Scaling Businesses
Andy Black and Jason Brown, both successful entrepreneurs and self-described “lone wolves,” discussed their shared experiences in business, specifically their passion for coding, their preference for hands-on work, and the challenges of scaling their businesses.- Andy, a pay-per-click specialist, and Jason, a SaaS developer, found validation in each other's stories. They both admitted to being drawn to the technical aspects of their work and enjoyed the process of building and problem-solving.
- This mutual understanding extended to their shared belief in "doing things that don't scale," prioritizing quality and insight over immediate scalability. Both men elaborated on their processes of manually working on tasks until patterns emerged, documenting these processes, and then considering automation or delegation.**
- They agreed that Google's default settings for AdWords campaigns can be misleading and emphasized the importance of understanding and customizing these settings for optimal performance.
- Andy shared an anecdote about discovering a crucial location setting error in a client's AdWords account that led to significant wasted ad spend.
- Jason discussed the tendency for Google to gradually limit user control and data visibility in AdWords, potentially leading to missed insights.
- Both men shared personal anecdotes about their struggles with procrastination, ultimately framing it as a strength that allowed their subconscious minds to work on problems and generate better solutions over time.
- Andy described his preference for last-minute preparation for presentations and tasks, attributing his best work to the adrenaline rush and heightened focus that came with tight deadlines.
- They discussed the importance of recognizing one's strengths and weaknesses and aligning their business model accordingly.
- Andy expressed his desire to find a business model that allowed him to scale using technology and processes rather than relying on hiring a large team.
- Jason encouraged Andy to explore the possibilities of his current trajectory, highlighting the potential for his client-focused work to evolve into a successful SaaS product, similar to his own experience.
- The conversation ended with Andy expressing his admiration for Jason’s success in the SaaS space and his intention to seek Jason’s advice on future SaaS ventures.
### ChatGPT:
Summary of the Call Between Andy Black and Jason Brown:
1. Podcasting and Content Creation:- Andy shared his spontaneous approach to content creation, emphasizing the accidental nature of his podcasting and conversations.
- Jason highlighted his preference for solo podcasting due to past logistical challenges with guests, valuing the control it gives him.
- Both participants identified as "lone wolves," preferring to work independently but acknowledged they thrive in different situations.
- Jason discussed his procrastination tendencies and how it often leads to better solutions when ideas percolate in the background.
- Andy reflected on his ability to work under pressure and create content or solutions at the last minute, often leading to high-quality results.
- Andy and Jason both value doing things manually at first to understand the nuances before automating or delegating tasks.
- Jason described his process of starting with manual solutions, hiring VAs, and then transitioning to automated systems if necessary.
- Andy shared his struggle to balance client work with building his own systems and processes.
- Both discussed the challenges of working within the constraints of Google Ads, particularly Google's automated suggestions.
- Jason shared how he’s transitioned to SaaS, building products based on his expertise in digital marketing.
- Andy described how his work has led him to develop a SaaS-like product for dynamic landing pages, highlighting his iterative approach to product development.
- Jason emphasized scratching his own itch and building products for himself first, then scaling them for others.
- Andy focused on solving client problems and learning from each unique business, while also exploring how to scale his expertise through products.
- Both highlighted the importance of doing things that don’t scale initially to gain deep insights and create better long-term solutions.
- The value of domain authority and leaning into personal strengths.
- Finding joy and success in iterative problem-solving.
- Balancing client work with personal projects and product development.
- A shared disdain for over-automation and generic best practices, preferring to maintain control and gain unique insights.
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What were your takeaways?
What will you do differently going forward?
(For other recordings click HERE.)
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