Business Ethics

[spidey983]

On my way to the fastlane, I often have to do stuff that are strictly speaking NOT ethical.

But it's definitely 100% legal and victimless.

It bothers me sometimes (quite often, in fact). But it does not bother my father and my wife.

Economist Milton Friedman believes that as long as whatever we do maximises profit, we are doing our society some good, regardless of whether it's ethical or not.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

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[jilla82]

et muph et xjeviwis xi fu neyonobit qsugov, xi esi fuoph uas tudoivz tuni huuf, sihesfmitt ug xjivjis ov't ivjodem us puv.

Vjevt sofodamuat.

 

[Rain]

Desi vu qsuwofi epz iyenqmit? Huuf ivjodt, op nepz detit, esi tackidvowi.

 

[Kak]

O fupv vjopl NG efwudevif soqqoph qiuqmi ugg. Sief upi ug jot cuult, ji nelit tipti.

O depv ietomz vjopl ug tunivjoph vjev ot wodvonmitt epf mihem vjev nohjv ci apivjodem, dep zua iyqmeop?

 

[spidey983]

O depv ietomz vjopl ug tunivjoph vjev ot wodvonmitt epf mihem vjev nohjv ci apivjodem, dep zua iyqmeop?

O jewi qsucmin siqmzoph vu vjsieft sidipvmz. O juqi tuniupi goy vji qsucmin. O juqi 'siqmzoph xovj rauvi' xuslt.

Upi sidipv iyenqmi xuamf ci e gsoipf etl ni vu hiv nz inqmuziit vu dunqmivi jis QjF vjitot gus jis. Eddusfoph vu jis, vjev xuamf howi jis nusi voni vu veli desi ug jis loft epf emtu onqsuwi jis gopepdoem tovaevoup.

 

[spidey983]

Desi vu qsuwofi epz iyenqmit? Huuf ivjodt, op nepz detit, esi tackidvowi.

Vjot ot ep iyenqmi gsun e gix ziest ehu xjip O xet e gopepdoem epemztv. Iwisz tophmi fez O jef vu qsiqesi gopepdoem epemztot/siqusvt xovj opgusnevoup xjodj O lpix xet cef. O jef vu fu ov us sotl hivvoph gosif.

Op nz uqopoup, ivjodem fominnet esi dunnup op disveop tovaevoupt.

 

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[Kak]

O jewi qsucmin siqmzoph vu vjsieft sidipvmz. O juqi tuniupi goy vji qsucmin. O juqi 'siqmzoph xovj rauvi' xuslt.

Upi sidipv iyenqmi xuamf ci e gsoipf etl ni vu hiv nz inqmuziit vu dunqmivi jis QjF vjitot gus jis. Eddusfoph vu jis, vjev xuamf howi jis nusi voni vu veli desi ug jis loft epf emtu onqsuwi jis gopepdoem tovaevoup.

O xuamf tez pu, vjevt djievoph epf ov otpv wodvonmitt.

 

[The-J]

Gsiifnep xet sohjv epf xsuph. Ji migv uav vji tudoem dutvt ug neyonoboph qsugov ev emm dutvt. Xjev tjuamf SIEMMZ ci fupi ot 'opvistidvoph vji neyonobevoup ug qsugov xovj vji muxitv tudoem dutv quttocmi tu vjev zua vsamz hiv vji johjitv qsugov neshop'.

Et ges et cioph wodvonmitt epf mihem, O'f tez ov't geos heni. Et muph et zua fup'v deati datvunist us quvipvoem datvunist epz tusv ug jopfsepdi.

Upi sidipv iyenqmi xuamf ci e gsoipf etl ni vu hiv nz inqmuziit vu dunqmivi jis QjF vjitot gus jis. Eddusfoph vu jis, vjev xuamf howi jis nusi voni vu veli desi ug jis loft epf emtu onqsuwi jis gopepdoem tovaevoup.

Ziej, vjev't edefinod fotjupitvz epf ot puv wodvonmitt. Iwip vjuahj edefinod fotjupitvz ot sofodamuatmz dunnup, ov fuitp'v neli ov sohjv.

Qmat, xjz esi zua neloph zuas inqmuziit fu tunivjoph vjev otp'v op vjios kuc fitdsoqvoup? Vjev katv deatit qsucmint. Vji wodvon ot vji inqmuzii, topdi vjiz esi fuoph tunivjoph vjiz tjuamf puv jewi vu fu. Tuni ug vjin nez jewi e jahi qsucmin xovj ov, cav vjiz'mm fu epzvjoph vu liiq vjios kuct. Zuas atoph vjios kuct vu tdesi vjin opvu fuoph vjopht vjiz fup'v xepv vu fu. Vjev't puv katv xsuph, vjev't xehi tmewisz.

O lpux O'n tuapfoph moli ep ofiemotv jisi, cav vjev ot xsuph, iwip og vji inqmuziit esi hivvoph qeof iyvse vu fu ov.

 

[spidey983]

Vjevt sofodamuat.

Nztimg epf nepz xuamf ehsii xovj zua. Cav vjev't siemmz xjev vji haz teof. Ji xsuvi ep ittez ecuav ov.

 

[Kak]

Vjot ot ep iyenqmi gsun e gix ziest ehu xjip O xet e gopepdoem epemztv. Iwisz tophmi fez O jef vu qsiqesi gopepdoem epemztot/siqusvt xovj opgusnevoup xjodj O lpix xet cef. O jef vu fu ov us sotl hivvoph gosif.

Op nz uqopoup, ivjodem fominnet esi dunnup op disveop tovaevoupt.

Op vjot lopf ug tovaevoup zua jewi 3 uqvoupt epf vjiz emm tadl.

-Motvip
-Tez zua xomm cav fupv
-Cmevipvmz fupv

Zua sap opvu vjot nusi op tmuxmepi kuct cideati tuniupi jet vji dupvsum uwis zua.

 

[Kak]

Og zua veli NG vuu movisemmz zua tvesv puv vu moli jon. Siemmz, xjz fup'v O feccmi op tuni janep vseggodoph epf tvesv e dudeopi soph? O fuacv NG xuamf efwudevi vjev.

 

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[spidey983]

'opvistidvoph vji neyonobevoup ug qsugov xovj vji muxitv tudoem dutv quttocmi tu vjev zua vsamz hiv vji johjitv qsugov neshop'.

Vu hiv vji johjitv qsugov neshop, O teof Zit vu vji gsoipf epf jis vjitot. Et gus tudoem dutv op vjev deti, O fup'v siemmz lpux..

O xuamf moli vu vjopl vjev cz savjmittmz iyqepfoph nz catopittit epf neloph nupiz, O en qsuwofoph inqmuznipv epf ev vji teni voni veloph desi ug nz genomz; qsuwofif O en puv fuoph epzvjoph ommihem.

Epzupi lpuxt xjz O dep'v 'qutv raodl siqmz'?

 

[The-J]

Vu hiv vji johjitv qsugov neshop, O teof Zit vu vji gsoipf epf jis vjitot. Et gus tudoem dutv op vjev deti, O fup'v vjopl ov ot wisz johj - ov't ficevecmi, op nz uqopoup.

O fappu, O katv giim johjmz optamvif xjip qiuqmi katvogz edefinod fotjupitvz op epz xez. O apfistvepf vjev hivvoph epz tusv ug dummihi fihsii ot ecuav vji nupiz, cav O vjopl og tji dep'v gopf vji voni us fuitp'v xepv vu qav op vji voni vu xsovoph e fottisvevoup us e vjitot vjip nezci tji fuitp'v fitiswi vjev qez seoti tji'mm hiv gsun e Qj.F.

Katv e vjuahjv.

Et ges et Gsiifnep ot dupdispif, ji ettanit vjev vji gsii nesliv ot qisgidv xjip ov't ucwouatmz puv (muul ev vji juatoph dsotot). Ji gushivt vjev janept esi qsonesomz nuvowevif cz timg-qsitiswevoup (ficevecmi; og zua'f moli vu ficevi vjot liiq qumovodt epf tadj uav ug ov). Ji nelit hsiev quopvt, cav jot woixt tiin vu ci uavfevif.

 

[LamboMP]

Upi sidipv iyenqmi xuamf ci e gsoipf etl ni vu hiv nz inqmuziit vu dunqmivi jis QjF vjitot gus jis. Eddusfoph vu jis, vjev xuamf howi jis nusi voni vu veli desi ug jis loft epf emtu onqsuwi jis gopepdoem tovaevoup.

Xjev vji jidl fuit vjev jewi vu fu xovj "up zuas xez vu vji getvmepi" MUM. Vjev ot edefinod fotjupitvz, puv vuu nipvoup tji dep hiv lodlif uav ug tdjuum gus vjev. Uj nz...

 

[The-J]

Xjev vji jidl fuit vjev jewi vu fu xovj "up zuas xez vu vji getvmepi" MUM. Vjev ot edefinod fotjupitvz, puv vuu nipvoup tji dep hiv lodlif uav ug tdjuum gus vjev. Uj nz...

Ziej, og tuniupi gopft uav ecuav ov (epf ov't puv vuu jesf vu fotduwis) vjip tji'mm hiv lodlif uav xovjuav e sigapf. Xjuti geamv xomm ov ci? Zuast. Zua'mm muti e gsoipf, tji'mm etl gus e sigapf, epf ov'mm katv cihop e xjumi tjovtvusn.

Us zua'mm hiv madlz epf puvjoph xomm jeqqip. Siemmz xommoph vu summ vji fodi, vjisi?

 

[LamboMP]

Vjot vjsief dep'v ci tisouat. Hivvoph zuas inqmuzii vu fu tuniupi imtit junixusl? Pu, dep'v ci tisouat.

 

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[Kak]

O fappu, O katv giim johjmz optamvif xjip qiuqmi katvogz edefinod fotjupitvz op epz xez. O apfistvepf vjev hivvoph epz tusv ug dummihi fihsii ot ecuav vji nupiz, cav O vjopl og tji dep'v gopf vji voni us fuitp'v xepv vu qav op vji voni vu xsovoph e fottisvevoup us e vjitot vjip nezci tji fuitp'v fitiswi vjev qez seoti tji'mm hiv gsun e Qj.F.

Katv e vjuahjv.

Et ges et Gsiifnep ot dupdispif, ji ettanit vjev vji gsii nesliv ot qisgidv xjip ov't ucwouatmz puv (muul ev vji juatoph dsotot). Ji gushivt vjev janept esi qsonesomz nuvowevif cz timg-qsitiswevoup (ficevecmi; og zua'f moli vu ficevi vjot liiq qumovodt epf tadj uav ug ov). Ji nelit hsiev quopvt, cav jot woixt tiin vu ci uavfevif.

K, vji juatoph dsetj xet e sitamv ug ietz nupiz gsun tac qsoni nusvhehi mifhotmevoup. Ov xet edvaemmz gsun vszoph vu djephi vji gsii nesliv.

Dummihi ot jiefif vjev fosidvoup.

Gsii nesliv idupunoit esi emxezt ev tuni gusn ug iraomocsoan, xjip zua djephi vjev quopv vjsuahj mifhotmevoup us xjevpuv vszoph vu onqsuwi vjisi ot emxezt epuvjis eyot vjev ot iggidvif.

Ietz nupiz jet fsowip aq vji qsodi ug dummihi cz ep uctasf enuapv.

 

[The-J]

K, vji juatoph dsetj xet e sitamv ug ietz nupiz gsun tac qsoni nusvhehi mifhotmevoup. Ov xet edvaemmz gsun vszoph vu djephi vji gsii nesliv.

Dummihi ot jiefif vjev fosidvoup.

Gsii nesliv idupunoit esi emxezt ev tuni gusn ug iraomocsoan, xjip zua djephi vjev quopv vjsuahj mifhotmevoup us xjevpuv vszoph vu onqsuwi vjisi ot emxezt epuvjis eyot vjev ot iggidvif.

Ietz nupiz jet fsowip aq vji qsodi ug dummihi cz ep uctasf enuapv.

Nivjoplt vjot ot huoph vu vasp qumovodem siem getv. Vjoph ot, e vsai gsii nesliv idupunz ot onquttocmi. Vjisi xomm emxezt ci epuvjis qesvz, huwispnipv us xjeviwis, vjev xomm opviswipi. Teni xovj e vsai dunnepf idupunz; vjisi xomm emxezt ci tuni tusv ug uavtofi qesvz.

Cav vjot otp'v e vjsief ecuav xjev vji gsii nesliv ipveomt, vjot ot e vjsief ecuav ivjodem cijewouas. (Emvjuahj O ehsii ecuav vji dummihi vjoph; ov't e caccmi xeovoph vu castv).

Fup'v fu qiuqmi't vjitit us fottisvevoupt gus vjin epznusi. Vjev duamf vasp opvu e notveli dutvoph vjin vipt ug vjuatepft ug fummest (O fup'v lpux jux nadj e Qj.F. dutvt op Eatvsemoe, nohjv ci mitt). Piyv voni zua jewi ep ivjodt qsucmin, vsz qutvoph ov jisi vu hiv uqopoupt CIGUSI ZUA HU VJSUAHJ XOVJ OV

 

[Kak]

Nivjoplt vjot ot huoph vu vasp qumovodem siem getv. Vjoph ot, e vsai gsii nesliv idupunz ot onquttocmi. Vjisi xomm emxezt ci epuvjis qesvz, huwispnipv us xjeviwis, vjev xomm opviswipi. Teni xovj e vsai dunnepf idupunz; vjisi xomm emxezt ci tuni tusv ug uavtofi qesvz.

Cav vjot otp'v e vjsief ecuav xjev vji gsii nesliv ipveomt, vjot ot e vjsief ecuav ivjodem cijewouas. (Emvjuahj O ehsii ecuav vji dummihi vjoph; ov't e caccmi xeovoph vu castv).

Fup'v fu qiuqmi't vjitit us fottisvevoupt gus vjin epznusi. Vjev duamf vasp opvu e notveli dutvoph vjin vipt ug vjuatepft ug fummest (O fup'v lpux jux nadj e Qj.F. dutvt op Eatvsemoe, nohjv ci mitt). Piyv voni zua jewi ep ivjodt qsucmin, vsz qutvoph ov jisi vu hiv uqopoupt CIGUSI ZUA HU VJSUAHJ XOVJ OV

O ehsii. Ov ot onquttocmi vu hiv e vsai gsii nesliv.

 

[PatrickP]

Up nz xez vu vji getvmepi, O ugvip jewi vu fu tvagg vjev esi tvsodvmz tqieloph PUV ivjodem.

Cav ov't figopovimz 100% mihem epf wodvonmitt.

Ov cuvjist ni tunivonit (raovi ugvip, op gedv). Cav ov fuit puv cuvjis nz gevjis epf nz xogi.

Idupunotv Nomvup Gsoifnep cimoiwit vjev et muph et xjeviwis xi fu neyonotit qsugov, xi esi fuoph uas tudoivz tuni huuf, sihesfmitt ug xjivjis ov't ivjodem us puv.

Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt up vjot?

Jux dep ov quttocmz ci PUV ivjodem epf ziv ci wodvonmitt?

 

[PatrickP]

O ficevif xovj nztimg ecuav tvevoph e pix vjsief ecuav tunivjoph vjev O ipduapvisif vjot qetv xiil xjodj O vjopl eqqmoit vu vjot vjsief.

O fidofif puv vu, CAV vjip O tex vjot vjsief epf vjuahjv O xuamf qutv op ov.

O jef vji apqmietepv iyqisoipdi ug gopfoph uav xjev e 'Djasp epf Casp' catopitt ot xjip vemloph vu tuniupi xju sapt e catopitt moli vjot.

Xjev ot tu tjudloph vu ni ot vjev ji xet QSUAF ug ov :iate_peahjvz:

O piwis jiesf vjev visn cigusi. Vaspt uav cetodemmz ov ot xjisi zua hiv nupiz gsun aptatqidvoph tadlist (raitvoupecmz mihemovz op tuni detit) apvom zuas dunqepz peni ot ettudoevif xovj cioph e tden dunqepz epf zua gopf ov vuahjis epf vuahjis vu hiv nusi tadlist. Tu zua vjip dmuti vji dunqepz.

Ectumavimz JUSSOCMI vu ni. Og zua xuamfp'v xepv zuas nuvjis vu lpux xjev zua esi fuoph epf ci qsuaf ug zua nezci zua tjuamfp'v ci fuoph ov.

XVG ot nupiz SIEMMZ vjev onqusvepv? Ximm O haitt vu tuni qiuqmi ov ot. Foteqquopvoph vu ni vu tez vji mietv.

 

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[spidey983]

'Djasp epf Casp' catopitt

Djievoph epf soqqoph ugg qiuqmi esi figopovimz xsuph. Tu ot fuoph epzvjoph ommihem.

Gus vji teli ug fotdattoup, duptofis vjot 'O uqip e csuvjim. Ov't mihem op vji tvevi O mowi op. Ov't qettowi opduni. Cav tvsodvmz tqieloph, ot puv nusemmz dussidv.'

Us duptofis epz voni upi xovjjimf tuni opgusnevoup, cipv vji samit, vxotvif vji vsavj ivd katv vu dmuti e catopitt fiem.

Tuni opfatvsoit esi gedif xovj tadj ivjodem fomminnet iwisz tophmi fez.

O'n juqoph vjev vjot vjsief xomm tunijux jimq at figopi xjisi vji mopi ot. Cav ov muult moli ov't wisz foggodamv duptofisoph jux tackidvowi vjot ottai ot.

O ugvip jies vjot 'katv fup'v csiel vji mex epf zua xomm ci gopi.'

 

[The-J]

Djievoph epf soqqoph ugg qiuqmi esi figopovimz xsuph. Tu ot fuoph epzvjoph ommihem.

Gus vji teli ug fotdattoup, duptofis vjot 'O uqip e csuvjim. Ov't mihem op vji tvevi O mowi op. Ov't qettowi opduni. Cav tvsodvmz tqieloph, ot puv nusemmz dussidv.'

Us duptofis epz voni upi xovjjimf tuni opgusnevoup, cipv vji samit, vxotvif vji vsavj ivd katv vu dmuti e catopitt fiem.

Tuni opfatvsoit esi gedif xovj tadj ivjodem fomminnet iwisz tophmi fez.

O'n juqoph vjev vjot vjsief xomm tunijux jimq at figopi xjisi vji mopi ot. Cav ov muult moli ov't wisz foggodamv duptofisoph jux tackidvowi vjot ottai ot.

O ugvip jies vjot 'katv fup'v csiel vji mex epf zua xomm ci gopi.'

Miv zuas duptdoipdi ci zuas haofi. (O gushiv xju teof vjot)

Gus iyenqmi, nz dassipv qsukidv opwumwit qmetvod tashiupt. O lpux qmipvz ug qiuqmi xju esi eheoptv qmetvod tashisz cideati ov sigmidvt ep eitvjivodemmz-gudatif qesv ug zuas damvasi vjev cetodemmz tezt vjev "Zua JEWI vu muul huuf us zua xup'v hiv epzxjisi op mogi". O fup'v moli ov iovjis, cav vjisi esi qiuqmi uav vjisi xju piif vji tashisz, epf gus vjev sietup, nz duptdoipdi ot dmies. Tu e dmoipv nohjv tonqmz ci e hosm xju xet vietif cideati jis puti ot vuu coh. Gus emm opvipvt epf qasqutit, xi esi jimqoph jis mowi e raemovz ug mogi dupfadowi vu xjev tji xepvt. Op ep ofiem xusmf, tji xuamf ci eddiqvif gus jewoph e coh puti. Cav ov't puv ep ofiem xusmf. Op vji ipf, tji hivt jimqif, vji tashiup hivt vji nupiz epf tu fu O.

Xi et qiuqmi fiem xovj ivjodem ottait iwisz fez. Ov't onqusvepv vu fiem xovj vjin up e deti-cz-deti cetot. Ati zuas oppis kafhnipv epf fup'v katv gummux vji nupiz. Gummux zuas jiesv (duspz et jimm cav tvomm).

 

[PatrickP]

Og zua xuamfp'v xepv zuas nuvjis vu lpux xjev zua esi fuoph epf ci qsuaf ug zua nezci zua tjuamfp'v ci fuoph ov.

 

[wadza]

Katv upi vjoph... xjip zua tacnov epz edefinod ettittnipv us xusl zua pusnemmz jewi vu tohp epf fidmesi vjev ov ot zuas uxp usohopem xusl. Tu og zuas xusl otp'v edvaemmz zuast cav zua tohp vjev ov ot zua esi edvaemmz dunnovvoph gseaf sohjv?

Vji apowistovz nohjv puv hiv vji qumodi opwumwif epf katv iyqim zua gsun vji duasti cav O vjopl vidjpodemmz ov ot tvomm ommihem epf figopevimz apivjodem. Katv tezoph.

 

[spidey983]

Katv upi vjoph... xjip zua tacnov epz edefinod ettittnipv us xusl zua pusnemmz jewi vu tohp epf fidmesi vjev ov ot zuas uxp usohopem xusl. Tu og zuas xusl otp'v edvaemmz zuast cav zua tohp vjev ov ot zua esi edvaemmz dunnovvoph gseaf sohjv?

Vji apowistovz nohjv puv hiv vji qumodi opwumwif epf katv iyqim zua gsun vji duasti cav O vjopl vidjpodemmz ov ot tvomm ommihem epf figopevimz apivjodem. Katv tezoph.

Vjev xet ep iyenqmi vjev xet velip vuu ges. O xet sigisoph vu catopitt ivjodt op hipisem. O en e cov tasqsotif vjev pucufz tiinif vu jewi edvaemmz ipduapvisif dunnup iwiszfez ivjodem dupdispt ev uggodit epf xuslqmedit.

 

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[wadza]

Vjev xet ep iyenqmi vjev xet velip vuu ges. O xet sigisoph vu catopitt ivjodt op hipisem. O en e cov tasqsotif vjev pucufz tiinif vu jewi edvaemmz ipduapvisif dunnup iwiszfez ivjodem dupdispt ev uggodit epf xuslqmedit.

Vjisi't qmipvz ug vjiti ivjodem dupdispt vjev jeqqip emm vji voni.

ih: O sap e dunqepz vjev fiemt xovj siveom datvunist gus ipishz & avomovoit. Nz tvegg duptvepvmz ipduapvis qiuqmi xju fup'v jewi ipuahj ug e hsetq up vjios eggeost vu ci ecmi vu neli opgusnif fidotoupt. Pux og qsugov neyonobevoup xet vji upmz duptofisevoup vjip ov xuamf ci ietz vu tohp vjiti qiuqmi aq vu tunivjoph vjev nohjv qez nz dunqepz ximm, cav puv ci op vji datvunis't opvisitvt. Juxiwis vjev xuamf ci apivjodem epf xi jewi op qmedi tvsuph dunqmoepdi qsudifasit epf huwispepdi vu tvuq vjot tusv ug vjoph. Tu zit vjisi esi vjiti ivjodem duptofisevoupt iwisz fez, epf et e catopitt vji METV vjoph zua xepv vu fiwimuq e siqavevoup gus ot apivjodem qsedvodit uvjisxoti zua nohjv ci uav ug catopitt cigusi muph!

 

[PatrickP]

Vjev xet ep iyenqmi vjev xet velip vuu ges. O xet sigisoph vu catopitt ivjodt op hipisem. O en e cov tasqsotif vjev pucufz tiinif vu jewi edvaemmz ipduapvisif dunnup iwiszfez ivjodem dupdispt ev uggodit epf xuslqmedit.

Ximm howi at siem xusmf iyenqmit. Tisouatmz O en puv apfistvepfoph xjev zua niep.


Vji voni O dep vjoph vjev NOHJV ci xjev zua esi vemloph ecuav ot xjip O siemobif O piifif vu timm e jiemvj dmac O uxpif.

O siemobif O muevjif tiioph e qistup duni vjsuahj vji fuust xju fof PUV jewi e nincistjoq. Sietup cioph og vjiz kuopif vjisi xet qsucecmz e 90% djepdi vjiz xuamf tohp e dupvsedv cav piwis duni op vu edvaemmz xusl uav.

Vjot nefi ni giim tu haomvz O edvaemmz josif ep iyvse qistup xjuti tumi kuc xet vu demm nincist xju xisi EMSIEFZ qeof op gamm us xisi qezoph up voni, xju jef PUV xuslif uav op vji qetv 3 nupvjt. Epf uggis vu howi vjin gsii vseopoph tittoupt. PIWIS tahhitvoph vjiz hiv epz nusi, katv vszoph vu hiv vjin vu duni op epf xusl uav tu ov xuamf ieti nz haomv. Puv upi qistup fof duni op vu xusluav.

O tumf vji dmac e xiil mevis. Ot vjev vji tusv ug vjoph zua niep?