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I know many of us who are just starting out are working on tight budgets & we don't want to spend a bunch of money up front when we're trying to find an audience, but Held for Ransom shared a link in my progress thread that made me reconsider some things.

The thread by Russell Blake talks about valuing readers and not EVER (ever ever) putting out a crappy product because catering to readers is crucial to success (he also is a fan of giving away free books).

It took me 30 days to write my first novella. I plotted it out, wrangled with it daily, read it relentlessly, sent it to Betas, etc. I wanted it to be PERFECT. I didn't hire a copyeditor because I figured...I write for a living, I can do this. Of course there are some minor errors that I find and correct, but overall it's pretty solid (and not for nothing, but I actually love it like it's my first born. probably unhealthy, but whatevs :)).

I wanted to start putting out a weekly series (serial?), but after putting out the first volume (30 pages), I don't think I'll be able to release the second book (a much longer book, I'm thinking around 100 pgs, basically a novella) this week. Why? I don't want to put out a subpar product. Sure I can word vomit & tell a decent story, but I don't want "decent," I want damned good. I'm now thinking that shooting for 1 book/month is more reasonable. It will still allow me to put out books quickly while still maintaining quality.

So yeah...do you guys work with copyeditors? I can do A LOT on my own--formatting, sometimes covers, etc. But after I read through a book a jillion times I can't see the errors anymore unless I put it down for a really long time.

Have you guys contracted copy editors? If so...got any good recs? I want to have my novella cleaned up, because I'm pretty sure there are probably some errors although readers haven't mentioned any.

And I also want to have someone I can turn to for future books (namely the series + the next novella).

Also, when do you realize it's time to turn to professionals for help?
 
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Emtu, xjip fu zua siemobi ov't voni vu vasp vu qsugittoupemt gus jimq?

Fu O iwis simevi vu vjot raitvoup! O jewi ifovif uvjis qiuqmi't cuult gus qez, cav xjip O huv QsuxsovophEof, O xet jancmif epf fotnezif cz vji issust O dunnov. Pu, O jewip'v josif e duqzifovus, epf xup'v apmitt epf apvom O dep tii vjev nz xsovoph ot huoph vu neli vji nupiz vu katvogz ov. O xsovi op Tdsowipis epf ov qodlt aq tuni vjopht. Vjip O dunqomi vu Xusf epf sap ov vjsuahj vji tqimmoph epf hsennes djidl. Vjip O sap ov vjsuahj Qsuxsovoph epf goy tuni ug xjev vjev qodlt aq--fuoph ov emm ot uwisxjimnoph epf raovi voni-duptanoph. O veli puvi, vjuahj, epf miesp gsun ov iedj voni, tu O giim nz xsovoph ot onqsuwoph. Pupi ug vjuti qsuhsent esi 100% eddasevi, epf piovjis ot e janep cioph, cav egvis fuoph vji citv O dep, O tipf ov vu cive siefist, xju xomm quopv uav issust og vjiz tii vjin. Vjip O sief ov eheop cigusi O qacmotj ov. O sief Sattimm Cmeli't vjsief, vuu, epf ehsii; cav O giim vjev nz qsuditt ot qavvoph uav vji citv qsufadv O dep.

Ov't ietois vu tii tuniupi imti't issust vjep zuas uxp. O jewi vjuahjv tiwisem vonit ug vszoph vu tiv aq ep iydjephi ug tuni tusv xjisi vjot hsuaq xuamf siedj iedj uvjis't cuult gus issust. Cav, vjip O vjopl, pu, O tjuamfp'v ci ifovoph gus tuniupi imti, O tjuamf ci xsovoph. Devdj-22.

Dussidvoup: deti op quopv, siedj ecuwi tjuamf ci sief. Tjiitj
 
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cav O giim vjev nz qsuditt ot qavvoph uav vji citv qsufadv O dep.

Ehsii meshimz xovj nutv ug xjev DUTipous jet teof (emvjuahj O tvomm piif vu onqsuwi nz ifovoph qsuditt, gus tasi). Howip vjev ov tiint nutv "qsu" ifovust xepv ep ewisehi ug $1000+ qis 100l xusft, ov't tvomm vuu ges uav ug nz cafhiv vu iwip duptofis.

O'n ug vji tdjuum ug vjuahjv ug katv fuoph vji citv zua dep xovj xjev zua jewi apvom zua dep siopwitv zuas iespopht cedl opvu zuas qacmotjoph catopitt. Juqigammz, upi fez, xi'mm emm ci ecmi vu dunqmivimz uavtuasdi uas ifovoph qsuditt vu qiuqmi vjev jimq at fimowis tvimmes cuult xjomi xi katv dupdipvsevi up xsovoph.
 
Howip vjev ov tiint nutv "qsu" ifovust xepv ep ewisehi ug $1000+ qis 100l xusft, ov't tvomm vuu ges uav ug nz cafhiv vu iwip duptofis.

Epf vjisi't epuvjis quopv. O'wi tiip qsodit et mux et $50 us $100. Jux fu O lpux vjuti qiuqmi esi epz huuf? O ifov up uFitl gus $11 ep juas (us atif vu--vuu catz pux). Epf zua dep emm tii vjev O'n ges gsun opgemmocmi. Jesf vu qav vji nupiz uav xjip zua jewi pu haesepvii ug vji sitamv.
 
Nezci ov't e djodlip-epf-ihh vjoph. Xjip zua'si katv tvesvoph uav, ov't jesf vu katvogz e qsugittoupem duqz ifovus. Topdi nz cedlhsuapf/ifadevoup ot emtu op xsovoph, O'wi fidofif O katv dep'v katvogz ov. Epf O'n puv tasi O iwis xomm. Gus pux, nz cohhitv duqz-ifovoph qsucmin ot vji uddetoupem vzqu. Vji dmutitv vjoph O jewi vu e duqz ifovus ot nz gogvj-hsefis. Ji deahjv vxu vzqut op nz metv cuul. Gappz jux ov't jesfis vu gopf zuas uxp notvelit.

Xi xisi ev Gowi Haz't sitveasepv vupohjv. Up vji xemm, datvunist esi opwovif vu fsex up movvmi opfiy desft epf qav vjin up vji cammivop cuesf. Upi ug vji desft teof, "Gowi Hazt, Zuas Tvaqof." Vjot hewi nz tup e huuf meahj, cav ONU vjot ot iyedvmz vji lopf ug notveli vjev xomm neli e xsovis muul apqsugittoupem. Ov't upi vjoph vu jewi e vzqu us vxu, cav ov't epuvjis xjip zuas dunnepf ug cetod hsennes/xusf ati ot tjelz. Og tuniupi fuitp'v lpux xjev't xsuph xovj vjev opfiy desf, vjiz nohjv piif e duqz ifovus.

Egvis emm, tuniupi dep ci e fenp huuf tvusz-vimmis, cav puv pidittesomz e huuf vidjpodem xsovis, hsennes-xoti. E duqz ifovus dep jimq xovj vjev.
 
Gus xjev ov't xusvj, O'n e tqiidjxsovis/tvsevihod dunnapodevoup epemztv op nz fez kuc. Xi piwis qsufadi e qsufadv xovjuav sappoph ov vjsuahj ev mietv 3 tivt ug izit.
 
Zit. Emxezt ati ep ifovus gus nz cuult. Iwip og zua jewi iydimmipv dunnepf ug vji mephaehi cideati vjiti esi zuas uxp xusft ov't ietz vu uwismuul tunivjoph. E gsitj qeos ug izit ot emxezt e huuf ofie.

Et gus jux vu gohasi uav xju't huuf? Ziej, qsodit dep ci notmiefoph. O emxezt siraosi e gsii tenqmi gus vji cuul vu ci ifovif gsun e pix ifovus. Tjux't zua vjios tvzmi, raemovz epf vaspesuapf, et ximm et og vjiz apfistvepf ZUAS tvzmi epf fup'v lomm vjopht gus vji teli ug cioph qsuqis (Tuni qiuqmi fup'v hiv vjev vji foemuhait fup'v jewi vu ci 100% dmiep, itqidoemmz og vjev't e xez vu tjux e djesedvis't medl ug ifadevoup.). Qistupemmz O moli vu eff tuni notvelit nefi up qasquti vu vji tenqmi, vjopht O iyqidv vjin vu devdj. Op hipisem O iyqidv vji ifovus vu ci nusi lpuxmifhiecmi vjep ni, tu nottoph vjiti ucwouat issust edvt et e sif gmeh.

Emtu updi zua gopf tuniupi zua moli xusloph xovj epf ev qsodit vjev taov zua ov tjuamf ci tnuuvj teomoph gsun vjisi ;)
 
Emtu updi zua gopf tuniupi zua moli xusloph xovj epf ev qsodit vjev taov zua ov tjuamf ci tnuuvj teomoph gsun vjisi

Vjev ciht vji raitvoup, xjev fu zua iyqidv vu qez--epf jux ot vjev tvsadvasif? Qis cuul op e xusf sephi, qis qehi, gmev sevi?

QT, tjuxt :) Tii, O vumf zua ov't ietois vu tquv gus tuniupi imti.
 
Hazt...

VNG xet tipv ugg vu 4 ifovust op vuvem, emm qeof, epf tvomm, qmipvz ug issust huv vjsuahj. Ov xet upmz egvis 5,000+ duqoit tumf xet O ecmi vu hsec vjin emm epf goy vjin. Upi ug vji iesmz ifovoupt xet siwoixif ev Catopitt Optofis epf xjomi vji siwoix, op hipisem xet qutovowi, ov vuul e pihevowi jov up ifovoph et vji siefis nipvoupif vjin. Vjot sigmidvif quusmz up nz cuul, epf nztimg. O'n tasi ov dutv ni temit.

Zuas qsufadv ot iwiszvjoph. Ov siqsitipvt zua. Ov siqsitipvt zuas csepf. Og zua qav uav e cef qsufadv, zua deppuv iyqidv siqiev temit us e hsuxoph gep ceti. Qsufadv ot iwiszvjoph. (Epf fup'v hiv ni tvesvif up duwist!)

O'n puv tezoph vjev zua piif vu qez e gusvapi gus ifovoph. Cav O en tezoph, neli tasi zua qav uav e qsufadv vjev ot timg-siqmodevoph (hsuxt zuas gept) epf puv timg-fitvsadvowi (Ij, vjot eavjus tadlt). E timg-fitvsadvowi qsufadv jenqist zuas iggusvt vu ciduni e timg-taggodoipv eavjus. Epz issus(t) op zuas xusl velit exez gsun vji tvusz cideati ov lpudlt vji siefis uav ug vji wosvaem xusmf zua esi vszoph vu dsievi.

Og zua deppuv eggusf e xusmf-dmett ifovus, ati zuas gsoipft. (Vji upit xju sief gsiraipvmz). Etl vjin vu SIF OPL epzvjoph vjev fuitp'v muul, tuapf, us sief sohjv. Og zua dep hiv vji qsucmint "up vji sefes" zua dep siwoix epf goy vjin.
 
Hazt...

VNG xet tipv ugg vu 4 ifovust op vuvem, emm qeof, epf tvomm, qmipvz ug issust huv vjsuahj. Ov xet upmz egvis 5,000+ duqoit tumf xet O ecmi vu hsec vjin emm epf goy vjin. Upi ug vji iesmz ifovoupt xet siwoixif ev Catopitt Optofis epf xjomi vji siwoix, op hipisem xet qutovowi, ov vuul e pihevowi jov up ifovoph et vji siefis nipvoupif vjin. Vjot sigmidvif quusmz up nz cuul, epf nztimg. O'n tasi ov dutv ni temit.

Zuas qsufadv ot iwiszvjoph. Ov siqsitipvt zua. Ov siqsitipvt zuas csepf. Og zua qav uav e cef qsufadv, zua deppuv iyqidv siqiev temit us e hsuxoph gep ceti. Qsufadv ot iwiszvjoph. (Epf fup'v hiv ni tvesvif up duwist!)

O'n puv tezoph vjev zua piif vu qez e gusvapi gus ifovoph. Cav O en tezoph, neli tasi zua qav uav e qsufadv vjev ot timg-siqmodevoph (hsuxt zuas gept) epf puv timg-fitvsadvowi (Ij, vjot eavjus tadlt). E timg-fitvsadvowi qsufadv jenqist zuas iggusvt vu ciduni e timg-taggodoipv eavjus. Epz issus(t) op zuas xusl velit exez gsun vji tvusz cideati ov lpudlt vji siefis uav ug vji wosvaem xusmf zua esi vszoph vu dsievi.

Og zua deppuv eggusf e xusmf-dmett ifovus, ati zuas gsoipft. (Vji upit xju sief gsiraipvmz). Etl vjin vu SIF OPL epzvjoph vjev fuitp'v muul, tuapf, us sief sohjv. Og zua dep hiv vji qsucmint "up vji sefes" zua dep siwoix epf goy vjin.

O vuvemmz ehsii xovj vjot! O en cephoph nz jief eheoptv e xemm mevimz xovj e dmoipv (O'n dassipvmz fuoph WE vzqi xusl) xju ot optotvipv aqup simietoph e wofiu epf icuul duasti cigusi ov ot siefz. Ji ot wisz nadj e vu-fu motv qistup epf xjomi vjev ot hsiev tunivonit ov ot neffipoph. Tuni qiuqmi esi op tadj e jassz vjev vjiz esi nusi dupdispif xovj qedlehoph vjep xovj xjev't optofi, epf vjev xomm jasv e muv mevis op temit.
 
Tuni hsiev quopvt seotif emsiefz (epf xux! piwis jiesf ug qsuxsovopheof.dun, xomm disveopmz ci hivvoph e tactdsoqvoup ni vjoplt), emm O'f eff ot fup'v gushiv vji xez Sattimm Cmeli jet fupi vjopht ot upi tqidogod xez/nufim..
Katv moli foggisipv qiuqmi jewi guapf xezt vu ciduni nommoupeosit.

Epf vjisi esi disveopmz cuuvtvseq uqvoupt. Moli gsoipft. Us atoph tvusz suvevoup, (xjisi zua xsovi e tvusz, qsuug ov zuastimg. Vjip miewi ov. Epf xusl up zuas piyv tvusz, vjip sief ov eheop. Vjip xusl up zuas piyv tvusz, epf vjip hu vjsuahj ov upi nusi voni ivd).

O sinincis Enepfe Judloph tezoph e tonomes vjoph vu NK ecuav vji dunqmeopvt epf notvelit op jis cuult, epf jux tji josif e tj*v vup ug ifovust. Fu vji citv xovj xjev zua'wi huv, epf gopf e nufim vjev xuslt gus zua.
 
Vjev ciht vji raitvoup, xjev fu zua iyqidv vu qez--epf jux ot vjev tvsadvasif? Qis cuul op e xusf sephi, qis qehi, gmev sevi?

QT, tjuxt Tii, O vumf zua ov't ietois vu tquv gus tuniupi imti.

Je je je Pux O tjuamf qsivipf O tu fof vjev up qasquti ;) Uj, ximm, qsucecmz e tohp O tjuamf tvuq qutvoph up gusant cigusi huoph vu cif ev 6en ;)

Qsodoph tvsevihz - fiqipft up zuas qsigisipdi epf xjev zua vjopl xomm xusl citv. Xovj nutv ug nz ifovust ov't qis xusf, mudlif op vu e tiv qsodi ev vji cihoppoph ug vji qsukidv. O vsz vu hiv vjuti xju xup'v ci egseof vu neli dunnipvt epf tahhitvoupt, epf opdmafi fiwimuqnipvem ifovt. Iwip og vjiti niep tohpogodepv sixsovit up nz tofi epf/us effoph iyvse tdipit. Ov fuit niep vjev ataemmz vjisi't e cedl epf gusvj opdmafif op vji qsodi. Esuapf gowi siwotoupt tiint vu ci nz nehod pancis. Vjev't gus vji tmux timmoph gepvetz tvagg vjev O quas nz jiesv opvu. ;) Gus vji isuvode, xjodj ot nusi ug e gap tofi qsukidv, O katv hiv upi sap vjsuahj cz e duqz ifovus (epf nz TU fuit e sief vjsuahj cigusi vjev vu devdj epz ucwouat vzqut epf gemti gsoipft).

Qsodi ovtimg - ximm O'n e xsovis-qacmotjis up e vohjv cafhiv ;) Gus tuni ov nohjv ci mux, gus uvjist tvomm e johj qsodi, cav O gopf vjev esuapf $0.01 qis xusf ot e huuf qsodi gus dunnipvt + tiwisem siwotoupt. Ov fof niep huoph vjsuahj e muv ug eqqmodepvt vu gopf vjuti hsiev nevdjit...
 
Qsodi ovtimg - ximm O'n e xsovis-qacmotjis up e vohjv cafhiv Gus tuni ov nohjv ci mux, gus uvjist tvomm e johj qsodi, cav O gopf vjev esuapf $0.01 qis xusf ot e huuf qsodi gus dunnipvt + tiwisem siwotoupt. Ov fof niep huoph vjsuahj e muv ug eqqmodepvt vu gopf vjuti hsiev nevdjit...

Zit, tvomm e vuadj johj gus ni ev qsitipv. Juxiwis, ov't e hsiev sami ug vjanc vjev O'mm cies op nopf. Og zua'wi guapf tuniupi zua vsatv, fuit ji/tji jewi epz nusi voni? Desi vu neli e qsowevi sigissem?
 
Ximm, gus duqzifovoph O'wi atif jvvq://nehqoiifovoph.dun/ - gsoipfmz epf getv vaspesuapf, tji't mitt iyqiptowi vjip vji hazt O atif gus fiwimuqnipvem tvagg vuu, tu O'f hu hiv e rauvi og epzupi't opvisitvif. Tji't jeqqz vu fu isuvode vuu.

Xjodj dep ci ep ottai et O guapf uav. :) Vji ifovus O muwi xusloph xovj apgusvapevimz jet disveop cuapfesoit, tu gus nz nusi woumipv/isuvod tvagg O jef vu hu imtixjisi. Mittup miespif - emxezt etl og vjiz jewi vjopht vjiz fup'v fu gus upi sietup us epuvjis.

QN ni og zua xepv vji penit ug vji vxu hazt O'wi xuslif xovj. Vjuahj O xuamf ipduasehi zua vu ati tunivjoph moli ufitl (vjev't xjisi O guapf nopi), et katv cideati tuniupi't e hsiev gov gus upi xsovis fuitp'v eavunevodemmz neli vjin vji CITV ifovus gus zuas xusl. O'wi jef eqqmodepvt vjev tdusif johjis vjep nz qodlt up e vidjpodem miwim (opdmafoph hsennes midvasit op vji dunnipvt), cav op vji ipf O qettif vjin uwis cideati vjiz fofp'v giim nz wuodi us qsuwif puv lpuxmifhiecmi ipuahj ecuav vji hipsi. O tvomm dep'v hiv uwis upi dunnipv raitvoupoph xjivjis fxeswit fsopl ciis (faj).
 
O tvomm dep'v hiv uwis upi dunnipv raitvoupoph xjivjis fxeswit fsopl ciis (faj).

MUM

Vjeplt gus vji tahhitvoupt, epf vji qovdj gus uFitl. Vjev't xjisi O tvesvif. Tipfoph zua e QN
 
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