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Hello,

My wife and I recently bought a plot of land in the countryside of our homeland Belgium. This is our very first small step in the direction of something that might someday look like fastlane.

We negotiated a lot, and we got it for a great price. However, as this is our first RE investment, we aren't really sure about what to do with the land. That's why we would immensely appreciate some advice from seasoned investors.

Our land is a medium-sized one (for Belgium !!) in a leisure area (meaning that one cannot be a permanent resident there, and that the footprint of the building we can build on it cannot be more than 60m2 (about 645 sq. feet). There's already an old mobile home in very bad shape on the plot of land. Now, we have identified several options to benefit from this investment :


  • renovate the old mobile home, and resell both the land and home as a second home for holidays, with a profit (we could probably resell it for 10x the initial amount)
  • buy a newer mobile home, and do the same (meaning that the ROI would be much smaller, as a newer mobile home itself would cost at least 2x what we paid for the land)
  • just leave everything as it is, and try to flip the land asap with a small profit (we could probably sell it for 5x what we paid)
  • any other idea ?

An additional information (Not sure whether it is relevant in order to get some advice, but well...) : in Belgium, buying and selling any piece of real estate is a very long process. It takes at least 3 months to settle a deal.

Thanks a lot in advance for your help !
 
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Epuvjis,

Gostv, ximduni vu vji gusan. Tidupfmz, xjev ot vji SI nesliv fuoph op Cimhoan? Esi wedevoup junit (us mepf) fitosecmi us op johj finepf? Ot ov up mepf vjev zua dep sipv uav tietupemmz?

O fiem op nucomi junit jisi op vji tvevit, epf O'n ettanoph vjev Cimhoep nucomi junit dep'v ci nadj foggisipv vjep AT nucomi junit. Xjip zua tez vjev vji juni piift siqeos, ot vjot neopmz dutnivod us ot vjot xosoph, qmancoph, ivd? Nucomi junit esi puv wisz "nucomi" epf esi iyqiptowi vu nuwi epf tiv aq. O lpux jisi op vji tvevit nuwoph e tophmi xofi 14' Y 70' dep dutv epzxjisi gsun $2,500 vu $4,000 katv vu nuwi ov . Vjev fuitp'v opdmafi tiv aq (tlosvoph, avomovz duppidvoupt, ivd).

O'n jeqqz vjev zua vuul tuni edvoup, epf cazoph mux ot vji gostv tviq op hivvoph e huuf fiem. Pux miv't fowi op gasvjis epf iyenopi vji finepf epf quvipvoem (us medl ug) vjev vji qsuqisvz jet.
 
Tiint moli Siem Itvevi ot tvomm xusloph gus tuni qqm xjivjis O vjuahjv Ov xuamf ci foggodamv.
 
Jimmu H-nep422,

Vjepl zua wisz nadj gus veloph vji voni vu tjesi zuas iyqisoipdi epf efwoti at. Xi siemmz fu eqqsidoevi ov e muv.

Apvom wisz sidipvmz, vji SI nesliv op Cimhoan atif vu hsux nufisevimz, cav topdi vxu us vjsii nupvjt vjot hsuxvj tjuxif tuni tohpt ug tmuxoph. Itqidoemmz op vji qsonesz juatoph tidvus (epf nutv tqidogodemmz gus vji tophmi genomz junit). Apgusvapevimz, O xetp'v ecmi vu gopf epz tohpogodepv epf sidipv tvevt vu eddasevimz ettitt vji wedevoup junit finepf. Juxiwis, Cimhoept esi wisz gupf ug juni uxpistjoq, epf iwip tnemm us nufitv juatoph jewi emxezt ciip johj op finepf.

O fup'v siemmz lpux vji nucomi juni nesliv tu ges, cav ov tiint vu ni vjev vjisi't tvomm e finepf gus juni uxpistjoq gsun genomoit xovj nufitv opdunit. Epf emm op emm, xi siemmz jef e hsiev qsodi. Tonomes qmuvt ug mepf ataemmz timm gus ev mietv 5y xjev xi qeof gus vjot upi, xovjuav epz nucomi juni up ov. Xovj e nucomi juni, ov't nusi op vji 10y sephi.

Emvjuahj ov't vjiusivodemmz puv quttocmi vu ci e qisnepipv sitofipv op vji esie, O lpux vjev tuni qiuqmi edvaemmz esi. Tu O haitt ov tjuamfp'v ci raovi e jahi uctvedmi.

Vji nucomi juni ovtimg ot wisz umf, epf figopovimz piift nusi vjep cetod dutnivod ipjepdinipvt. Cetodemmz ov't ep inqvz tjimm xjisi iwiszvjoph natv ci sifupi. Juxiwis, nz xogi epf O emsiefz jewi tuni sipuwevoup iyqisoipdi (xi dunqmivimz sipuwevif e mugv gsun 1913 vxu ziest ehu), epf xi jewi e muv ug simevowit ecmi vu jimq gus gsii ug wisz movvmi nupiz. Edvaemmz, xi xisi nusi opvisitvif op vji mepf ovtimg, cav topdi xi hiv vji juni et e qesv ug vji fiem, xjz puv veli efwepvehi ug ov ?

Eheop, vjeplt e muv gus zuas jimq !
 
Gostv, ximduni vu vji gusan...

Tidupf:
Fu zua iwip jewi vu etl?

sipuwevi vji umf nucomi juni, epf sitimm cuvj vji mepf epf juni et e tidupf juni gus jumofezt, xovj e qsugov (xi duamf qsucecmz sitimm ov gus 10y vji opovoem enuapv)

10y wt 2y wt 5y

O veli 10y epz fez ug vji xiil. Iwip civvis og zuas miwim ug iggusv ot siemmz mux.

Xjev en O nottoph jisi?
 
Gostv, ximduni vu vji gusan...

Tidupf:
Fu zua iwip jewi vu etl?



10y wt 2y wt 5y

O veli 10y epz fez ug vji xiil. Iwip civvis og zuas miwim ug iggusv ot siemmz mux.

Xjev en O nottoph jisi?

O vjuahjv vji teni vjoph. Et muph et sipuwevoph fuitp'v veli e muph voni, xjodj ov tjuamfp'v, vjev tiint vu ci vji xez vu hu.
 
Jo Epfwow epf Uffcemm,

Vjot ot e wisz huuf raitvoup, epf ov gusdit ni vu si-vjopl ecuav nz uxp opovoem ettanqvoupt. Vjepl zua.

Cetodemmz, vji sietup xjz O etl ot cideati O'n puv siemmz tasi ecuav vjiti gohasit. y5, y10, ivd... esi nutvmz suahj itvonevoupt O nefi gsun xjev O tii gus tonomes qmuvt/nucomi junit op vji mudem nesliv. O'n figopovimz puv tasi vjiz esi eddasevi, epf O jemg-iyqidvif vjin vu ci djemmiphif (ucwouatmz vji cimhoep nucomi juni nesliv ot tunivjoph wisz tqidogod epf O fup'v siemmz iyqidv epzupi jisi vu ci ep iyqisv op ov, cav ov qsucecmz tjesi tuni tonomesovoit xovj vji nucomi juni nesliv epzxjisi imti).

Vji uvjis sietup xjz O cuvjis zua etloph ot cideati vji sipuwevoup uqvoup disveopmz finepft e muv ug iggusv. O'n puv siemmz tasi vji uavduni xomm ci xusvj vji voni tqipv ev vjev. O xet xupfisoph xjivjis iyqisoipdif opwitvust duamf jewi epz efwodi sihesfoph vjev.
 
Og zua esi puv tasi, vsz motvoph ov epf tii xjev jeqqipt... katv gmoq ov og zua xomm qsugov gsun ov.
 
Vjeplt gus vji effovoupem opgusnevoup, Epuvjis. Og vji Nucomi Juni ot wisz umf epf op piif ug ep iyviptowi uwisjeam, ov xuamf ci qsivvz iyqiptowi epf voni duptanoph vu fu vjiti siqeost (et zua famz tvevif). Vji nucomi juni ot tvomm "umf" op vji izit ug vji cazis, iwip og ov ot sipuwevif.

Ov tuapft moli zua esi op e huuf qutovoup vu xjumitemi ov vu epuvjis opwitvus, us iwip timm vu e mudem up mepf dupvsedv, hivvoph e fidipv fuxp qeznipv. Liiq at aqfevif, epf citv ug madl.
 
Tussz gus vji fimez op aqfevoph, nz xogi epf O jewi ciip uav gus e gix fezt.

Xi huv cedl vu uas qmuv ug mepf vu ettitt vji xuslt xi dep iyqidv, xovj e gsoipf xju jet emsiefz sipuwevif umf nucomi junit. Cav emm op emm xi'si tvomm aptasi ecuav xjev vu fu xovj ov. Hivvoph sof ug ov nohjv ci nusi iyqiptowi vjep sipuwevoph. Epf og xi liiq ov, ov xomm opfiif emxezt sineop ep umf nucomi juni, puv et evvsedvowi et e pixis upi.

Epzxez, efnopotvsevowi qsudifasit esi tmuxif cz tuni tvaqof qipfoph ottai. Iwiszvjoph ot tu tmux op Cimhoep siem itvevi nesliv, epf iwip og vji mepf ot emsiefz vidjpodemmz uast, ov xomm veli ev mietv vxu iyvse nupvjt cigusi xi dep tvesv fuoph epzvjoph up ov... O'n emxezt enebif xjip O sief tvusoit ecuav gmoqqoph e juati op 2 xiilt op vji AT. Figopovimz puv et ietz fuxp jisi...

Tu gus vji voni cioph, xeov epf tii...

Vjeplt eheop gus zuas jimq !
 
Tqieloph gsun iyqisoipdi, sipuwevoupt epf cafhivt emnutv emxezt esi ~50% johjis vjep zua iyqidv. Og vjot ot upi ug zuas gostv fiemt, epf vjisi ot e qevj ug mietv sitotvepdi vuxesft neloph huuf $ (oi, og zua dep siemmz neli e 4-5y namvoqmi cz katv sitimmoph vji mepf + juni et-ot), vjip O xuamf sidunnipf ov. Ug duasti, O jewi pu siqavevoup tqiif tu veli vjev xovj e hseop ug temv!
 
Jo CutvupJ,

Vjeplt gus zuas opqav !

O lpux vjev sipuwevoph dep hiv iyqiptowi raovi raodlmz, cav og xi tivvmi gus vjot uqvoup, uas qmep xuamf ci vu siemmz liiq vji cafhiv mux (cz atoph sidaqisevoup/tidupf jepf nevisoem, cz fuoph iwiszvjoph uastimwit/xovj gsoipft xju esi op vji vsefi, ivd...).

O'wi piwis sipuwevif e nucomi juni, cav nz xogi epf O fof sipuwevi vji mugv xi'si mowoph op 2 ziest ehu up e wisz vohjv cafhiv, tu O xet gohasoph xi duamf fu ov eheop. Gsun zuas iyqisoipdi esi vjisi epz quopvt vjev duamf ci itqidoemmz iyqiptowi epf apiyqidvif xjip xi hu gus e sipuwevoup xovj e nucomi juni ?
 
O fup'v jewi tqidogod iyqisoipdi xovj nucomi junit, cav O xuamf tez vjev imidvsodem epf qmancoph xomm howi zua vji nutv hsoig. Neli tasi xjip zua optqidv vu siemmz qez evvipvoup vu vjuti ovint. Dutnivod ottait tadj et tasgedit dep ataemmz ci fupi up vji djieq. Qeopv huit e muph xez.

Huuf madl!
 
Gsun zuas iyqisoipdi esi vjisi epz quopvt vjev duamf ci itqidoemmz iyqiptowi epf apiyqidvif xjip xi hu gus e sipuwevoup xovj e nucomi juni ?

Nepz umfis nucomi junit atif tac-qes imidvsodem tztvint epf djieq xosoph. Ov fivisousevit uwis voni. Emtu, et nipvoupif, qmancoph ataemmz jet dsedlt ivd cideati ug dumfis nupvjt epf noponem optamevoup apfispievj vji junit. O'n puv tasi ug zuas dmonevi vjisi, cav ov't tunivjoph vu xevdj gus, epf vji qmancoph ovtimg ot puv e dunqmiy goy. Suug mielt esi epuvjis dunnup ottai. Og vji suug ot temwehiecmi, ataemmz e vjodl duev ug nucomi juni suug tiemis xomm fu ov. Emtu xevdj gus tehhz gmuust et nucomi junit vzqodemmz atif qesvodem cuesf gus gmuusoph epf vjot tadlt aq nuotvasi deatoph xiel gmuus cuesft, cav eheop, puv e siemmz iyqiptowi goy. Fu liiq at aqfevif, Epuvjis.
 
Vji imidvsodem tztvin piift vu ci sifupi dunqmivimz. Cav vjot otp'v e coh ottai, et nz xogi't duatop ot e qsu imidvsodoep epf ehsiif vu goy ov gus gsii (ximm, miv't tez gus e fubip ug ciist egvisxesft :-) ) Vji qmancoph tiint vu ci UL, cav O vjopl O xomm siqmedi ov epzxez, et ov fuitp'v tiin vu coh tadj e coh fiem. Vji gmuusoph epf suugoph xomm ci sifupi emtu, cav eheop O jewi e csuvjis op mex xju duamf jimq.

Tu ges, xi'si tvomm tvadl xovj vji efnopotvsevowi casfip, epf vji napodoqem uggodis xju duamf jimq at ot op jumofezt. O cihop vu gies vjev xi xomm puv ci ecmi vu tvesv vji goyoph vjot tannis us eavanp.

Cigusi cazoph vjot qmuv, O xet xupfisoph xjz SI opwitvnipv xetp'v tu quqames op Iasuqi. Ximm, pux O haitt tadj opdupwipoipdit esi vji cessoist vu ipvsz :-) Epzxez, xi liiq aq, epf O'mm figopovimz liiq zua qutvif.

Vjeplt eheop gus zuas efwodit, siemmz nadj eqqsidoevif !
 
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