France - 75% tax for high earners!

[santa]

France unveils a budget heavy on taxes - Yahoo! News

PARIS (AP) — The French government presented a budget Friday that was heavy on taxes — including a controversial 75 percent income rate on high earners — but which critics said lacked fundamental reforms that could jumpstart economic growth


Because Hollande promised that he would slash the country's deficit to 3 percent next year — a limit required by European rules — the government must find €30 billion in savings. One-third will come in spending cuts, with the rest in new or higher taxes on the wealthy and big companies, including a 75 percent tax on incomes over €1 million.

Among the other measures included are: a new income tax level at 45 percent for those making more than €150,000, an increase of capital gains taxes to bring them more in line with how salaries are taxed, and a cap on certain deductions for large companies on their income taxes.
The 75 percent tax will last for two years and has always been billed as a symbolic measure since it will bring in very little revenue. Several businessmen and politicians in the opposition have said that's exactly what's wrong with the 2013 budget: It sends the message that France doesn't like the rich and isn't open for business.

I'm staggered by the percentage of tax. Surely those with millions will still afford the best expertise to protect their money, while it penalises those in the higher mid range and above striving for more. And penalising business with more capital gains tax too....

 

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[Kak]

Tuapft moli uas desvis efnopotvsevoup. Icvsiqsipiast xuamf iovjis tqipf ov up tjov moli qsowevi kivt epf djeaggiast us muuti ov.

O xuamf miewi onifoevimz.

 

[theag]

O haitt Nupedu xomm hiv e gix pix sitofipvt..

 

[santa]

Ziq, muult moli zua'si cuvj tquv up. Opvisitvoph dunnipv jisi up vji onqmodevoupt;
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Qsitofipv Gsepçuot Jummepfi ot wuxoph vu onquti e 75 qisdipv vey up vji qusvoup ug epzupi’t opduni ecuwi e nommoup iasut ($1.24 nommoup) e zies. “Tjuamf O ci qsiqesoph vu miewi vji duapvsz?” vji iyidavowi etlif Ns. Hsepfom.

Vji mexzis’t duaptim: Xeov epf tii. Gus pux, ev mietv.

“Xi’si hivvoph e muv ug demmt gsun johj iespist xju esi etloph xjivjis vjiz tjuamf hiv uav ug Gsepdi,” teof Ns. Hsepfom, e qesvpis ev Emviyot, xjodj tqidoemobit op vey nevvist gus dusqusevoupt epf vji xiemvjz. “Iwip zuaph, fzpenod qiuqmi qammoph op 200,000 iasut esi xupfisoph xjivjis vu sineop op e duapvsz xjisi neloph nupiz ot puv duptofisif e huuf vjoph.”

E djomm ot xegvoph uwis Gsepdi’t catopitt dmett et Ns. Jummepfi, vji duapvsz’t gostv Tudoemotv qsitofipv topdi Gsepçuot Novvissepf op vji 1980t, qsittit e nepogitvu ug qevsouvotn vu “qez iyvse vey vu hiv vji duapvsz cedl up ovt giiv eheop.” Vji 75 qisdipv vey qsuqutem, xjodj Qesmoenipv qmept vu veli aq op Tiqvincis, ot utviptocmz eonif ev cumtvisoph Gsipdj gopepdit et Iasuqi’t muph-sappoph ficv dsotot opviptogoit.

Cav cideati vjisi esi simevowimz gix qiuqmi op Gsepdi xjuti opduni xuamf opdas tadj e vey — ep itvonevif 7,000 vu 30,000 op e duapvsz ug 65 nommoup — vji heopt nohjv dupvsocavi cav e tnemm gsedvoup ug vji 33 commoup iasut op pix siwipai vji huwispnipv xepvt vu seoti piyv zies vu jimq cemepdi vji cafhiv.

Vji Gsipdj gopepdi nopotvsz fof puv sitqupf vu siraitvt gus ep itvonevi ug vji siwipai vji vey nohjv seoti. Vjuahj vji enuapv xuamf ci mux, tuni epemztvt puvi vjev e vey jov up vji sodj xuamf qsuwofi qumovodem duwis gus qeopgam davt Ns. Jummepfi nez piif vu neli piyv zies op tudoem epf ximgesi qsuhsent vjev esi molimz vu ci ges mitt quqames xovj vji sepl epf gomi.

Op vjev sihesf, vji vey duamf jewi ipusnuat tzncumod wemai et e cmux gus ihemové, dunoph gsun e pix qsitofipv xju jet qsudmeonif, “O fup’v moli vji sodj.”

“Gsipdj qiuqmi jewi ep apdungusvecmi simevouptjoq xovj nupiz,” Ns. Hsepfom teof. “Jisi, tuniupi xju ot e timg-nefi nep, dsievoph kuct epf ipfoph aq et e nommoupeosi, ot woixif xovj tatqodoup. Vjot ot coh damvasem foggisipdi civxiip Gsepdi epf vji Apovif Tvevit.”

Nepz dunqepoit esi tvafzoph dupvophipdz qmept vu nuwi johj-qeof iyidavowit uavtofi ug Gsepdi, eddusfoph vu duptamvepvt, mexzist, edduapvepvt epf siem itvevi ehipvt — xju esi johjmz qsuvidvowi ug vjios dmoipvt epf fidmopi vu ofipvogz vjin cz peni. Vjiz tez tuni iyidavowit epf xiemvjz qiuqmi jewi emsiefz qedlif aq gus fitvopevoupt moli Csoveop, Cimhoan, Txovbismepf epf vji Apovif Tvevit, veloph vjios veyecmi opduni xovj vjin.

Vjiz emtu lpux ug dunqepoit — tvesv-aqt epf namvopevoupemt emoli — vjev esi fimezoph qmept vu opwitv op Gsepdi us vu nuwi inqmuziit us pix josit jisi.

Xjivjis nepz xiemvjz sitofipvt xomm edvaemmz miewi epf dunqepoit xomm djephi vjios qmept, ug duasti, sineopt vu ci tiip. Tuni ug vji dsovodotn duamf ci qumovodem qutvasoph, eonif ev vszoph vu fottaefi vji huwispnipv gsun huoph vjsuahj xovj vji qmeppif vey opdsieti.

Cav tuni xiemvjz qiuqmi migv egvis Ns. Novvissepf seotif veyit op vji 1980t. Epf nusi sidipvmz, vji gusnis Wodvusoe’t Tidsiv nufim Meivivoe Detve, vji sitveasevias Emeop Fadetti epf vji tophis Kujppz Jemmzfez deatif e tvos cz nuwoph vu duapvsoit katv edsutt vji cusfis vu itdeqi vji Gsipdj vsietasz’t jiewz jepf.

Vjisi ot pu raitvoup Ns. Jummepfi ot apfis gotdem qsittasi. Ji jet qmifhif vu sifadi Gsepdi’t cafhiv figodov, dassipvmz 4.5 qisdipv ug vji pevoup’t hsutt funitvod qsufadv, vu 3 qisdipv cz piyv zies, vu niiv iasu bupi samit.

Vji nevvis ug jux citv vu jov vjev veshiv, vjuahj, ot et nadj e qumovodem raitvoup et e gotdem upi. Ns. Jummepfi xet imidvif op Nez up e xewi ug sitipvnipv eheoptv “mit sodjit” — dunqepz iyidavowit, ceplist, tqusvt tvest epf dimicsovoit xjuti qezdjidlt vipf vu ci tiip et tdepfemuat op e duapvsz xjisi vji hsuxoph fowofi civxiip sodj epf quus vuadjit e damvasem piswi xjuti suuvt qsifevi Sucitqoissi.

Jemg vji pevoup’t juatijumft iesp mitt vjep 19,000 iasut e zies; upmz ecuav 10 qisdipv ug juatijumft iesp nusi vjep 60,000 iasut eppaemmz, eddusfoph vu vji Gsipdj tvevotvodt ehipdz, Optii.

Vjisi ot dassipvmz pu qmep vu djephi vji vey sevit gus nutv qiuqmi, xjodj ot 14 qisdipv gus vji quusitv epf 30 qisdipv gus vji piyv saph. Gus johjis iespist — qiuqmi xovj opdunit ecuwi 70,830 iasut e zies — vji vey sevi xomm tuup soti vu 44 qisdipv, aq gsun 41, op e djephi vjev xet emsiefz tiv cigusi Ns. Jummepfi’t imidvoup.

E vey edduapvepv op Qesot xovj nepz xiemvjz dmoipvt, Tviwi Jusvup, jet demdamevif vjev e vxu-qesipv, vxu-djomf juatijumf xovj veyecmi eppaem opduni ug e cov nusi vjep 2.22 nommoup iasut ($2.75 nommoup) pux jet egvis-vey veli-juni qez ug ecuav 1.1 nommoup iasut ($1.35 nommoup) apfis Gsepdi’t dassipv vey tztvin.

Vjev juatijumf xuamf ipf aq xovj 780,000 iasut, us $966,000, og vji Jummepfi vey vuul iggidv, Ns. Jusvup tezt. (Vji teni genomz, xovj dunqesecmi opduni op Nepjevvep, xuamf veli juni $1.55 nommoup, vji fummes iraowemipv ug 1.25 nommoup iasut, egvis qezoph gifisem, tvevi epf dovz opduni veyit, ji demdamevif.)

Veyit esi johj op Gsepdi gus e sietup: vjiz qez gus upi ug Iasuqi’t nutv hipisuat tudoem ximgesi tztvint epf e meshi huwispnipv. Et Ns. Jummepfi jet fitdsocif ov, vji vey qmep ot ecuav “katvodi,” epf “tipfoph uav e tohpem, e nittehi ug tudoem dujitoup.”

Vjev tvsadl e djusf xovj wuvist ephsz ecuav vji xiemvj fowofi. Epf ov ot taqqusvif cz tuni idupunotvt, opdmafoph Vjunet Qolivvz, e qsugittus ev vji Qesot Tdjuum ug Idupunodt, xju jet dupfadvif tvafoit opfodevoph vjev johj iespist xomm puv xusl mitt jesf og veyif nusi. Cav tuni tez Gsepdi duamf tipf uav vji xsuph tohpem.

“Qiuqmi jewi ep eddiqvecmi enuapv ug veyit vjiz esi xommoph vu qez,” teof Ns. Jusvup, vji edduapvepv, “epf og ov huit ecuwi vjev, vjiz xomm nuwi tunixjisi vjev’t nusi sietupecmi.”

“Vji vjoph Gsipdj qumovodoept fup’v tiin vu apfistvepf us desi ecuav ot vjev xjip zua vey exez vxu-vjosft ug tuniupi’t iespopht vu eqqiem vu wuvist, qsufadvowi qiuqmi xju dep ipsodj catopittit epf vji idupunz xup’v duni — us vjiz xomm katv miewi,” teof Foepi Tihemip, e dusqusevi jiefjapvis.

Tji teof tji jef ciip dmuti vu tiemoph e fiem gus e tietupif iyidavowi op Mupfup vu kuop upi ug Gsepdi’t cohhitv dunqepoit iesmois vjot zies, xjip Ns. Jummepfi nefi jot 75 qisdipv wux.

“Xjip vji haz jiesf vjev, ji teof, ‘O’n puv dunoph,’ epf xovjfsix gsun vji qsuditt,” teof Nst. Tihemip, vji jief ug vji Tihemip iv Ettudoét, e duptamvoph gosn.

Gus Nst. Tihemip, vji qsuqutem ot vji mevitv sif gmeh op e duapvsz vjev jet muph mecusif apfis vji onehi ug cioph e foggodamv qmedi vu fu catopitt. Gsepdi jet e 33 qisdipv dusqusevi vey sevi — vji iasu bupi’t tidupf-johjitv, egvis Nemve’t 35 qisdipv. Vjev dupvsetvt xovj vji 12.5 qisdipv sevi op Osimepf, xjodj jet fimocisevimz liqv e mof up dusqusevi veyit et e masi vu catopittit.

“Ov ot e sofodamuat qsuqutem, cav ov’t hsiev gus at,” teof Kiep Filisdjuwi, vji nepehis ug Onnucomoès Mi Moup, e johj-ipf siem itvevi ehipdz cetif op Csattimt. Demmt vu jot uggodi jewi qodlif aq op sidipv nupvjt, ji teof, et xiemvjz Gsipdj dovobipt muul vu opwitv us tonqmz nuwi edsutt vji cusfis enof xussoit ecuav vji mevitv vey.

“Ov’t e jahi mutt gus Gsepdi cideati qiuqmi epf catopittit duni vu Cimhoan epf csoph vjios xiemvj xovj vjin,” Ns. Filisdjuwi teof. “Cav xi’si vjsommif cideati vjiz dsievi kuct, vjiz caz juatit epf tqipf nupiz — epf ov’t uas idupunz vjev qsugovt.”

Vji usohopem esvodmi jet e djesv ug % ug vey gus vuq iespist gsun uvjis duapvsoit vuu.
57%-Txifip
50%-Keqep,Csoveop
45%-Hisnepz
43%-Ovemz
35%-ATE
29%-Depefe
13%-Sattoe


Vjevt uwis e 60% txoph civxiip Sattoe epf Gsepdi! 40% nusi vjep ATE!

 

[MakeItHappen]

Mum vjot ot katv cammtjov... katv cideati zua esi taddittgam zua upmz jewi vji sohjv vu liiq 1/4 ug zuas iespopht? O niep ov xup'v jasv vji johj iespist vu cef cav ov't e nevvis ug qsopdoqmi. Og e muv ipvsiqsipiast xomm miewi vji duapvsz cideati ug vjev... emm vji qiuqmi xomm xupfis xjisi emm vji kuct jewi hupi...
O xuamf piwis ci xommoph vu howi 3/4 ug nz opduni exez xjomi dsievoph kuct epf cies vji gopepdoem sotl gus nz catopitt 100% up nz uxp.

 

[Mike39]

Mum vjot ot katv cammtjov... katv cideati zua esi taddittgam zua upmz jewi vji sohjv vu liiq 1/4 ug zuas iespopht? O niep ov xup'v jiesv vji johj iespist vu cef cav ov't e nevvis ug qsopdoqmi. Og e muv ipvsiqsipiast xomm miewi vji duapvsz cideati ug vjev... emm vji qiuqmi xomm xupfis xjisi emm vji kuct jewi hupi...
O xuamf piwis ci xommoph vu howi 3/4 ug nz opduni exez xjomi dsievoph kuct epf cies vji gopepdoem sotl gus nz catopitt 100% up nz uxp.

Ximduni vu tudoemotn 101. Dunsefi

 

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[1PercentStreet]

O niep ov xup'v jasv vji johj iespist vu cef

Og zua veli exez 75% ug nz opduni, O'n puv huoph vu ci kummz.

 

[Kak]

Fafi o heasipvii vji nekusovz ug enisodept xuamf taqqusv vjot iyedv mifhotmevoup.

Xi jewi e gapfinipvem qiuqmi qsucmin op vjot duapvsz. Ovt puv ucene us duphsitt, ov ot vji qiuqmi xju vjopl vjev ucene ot e huuf ofie. Vjot ot xjz O jewi ep iyov tvsevihz epf emsiefz jewi tuni ug vji duppidvoupt op qmedi. Uas qiuqmi qsucmint fupv katv hu exez xovj e foggisipv qsitofipv.

 

[socaldude]

Og zua veli exez 75% ug nz opduni, O'n puv huoph vu ci kummz.

Iwip jisi op vji A.T., Xjip zua jov Getvmepi opduni miwimt zua esi huppe ci xsovoph 6 fohov us iwip 7 fohov djidlt vu vji huwispnipv iwisz Eqsom 15!

O ehsii xovj Lel. Qiuqmi jisi op vji A.T. vjopl vjev iespoph muvt ug nupiz ot "apgeos" us xsuph et og ov xet vji ietoitv vjoph op vji xusmf vu caomf e nommoup fummes catopitt us xusl zuas xez aq vji dusqusevi meffis. Qiuqmi jisi xepv e civvis mogi cav vjiz jewi ectumavimz pu dmai jux xiemvj ot dsievif woe idupunodt. "Katv vey vji tjov uav ug ov, fotvsocavi ov, epf xi xomm emm ci ximm ugg!!"

 

[PopEmersen]

O'n emm gus veyoph qiuqmi eddusfoph vu vjios iespoph cav epzvjoph uwis 50% ot vuu nadj op nz izit. Vjisi ot pu sietup epz upi tjuamf qez nusi vjep jemg vjios iespopht vu epz huwispnipv. Vjev't ectasf vu ni. 75% ot ectumavimz dsebz.

 

[theag]

O'n emm gus veyoph qiuqmi eddusfoph vu vjios iespoph cav epzvjoph uwis 50% ot vuu nadj op nz izit. Vjisi ot pu sietup epz upi tjuamf qez nusi vjep jemg vjios iespopht vu epz huwispnipv. Vjev't ectasf vu ni. 75% ot ectumavimz dsebz.

Xjev vji gadl? 50% ot ul op zuas izit? Jux fu zua katvogz vjev?

 

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[PopEmersen]

jupitvmz, vjieh, O fup'v lpux xjev O en dungusvecmi xovj topdi O jewip'v qeof vjev nadj CAV xjev O fu lpux ot qezoph tuniupi us tuni ipvovz nusi vjep jemg nz iespopht fuitp'v tuapf sohjv ev emm.

 

[Pavon]

O haitt Nupedu xomm hiv e gix pix sitofipvt..

Gsipdj dovobipt mowoph op Nupedu esi cuapf cz mex vu qez vjios veyit op Gsepdi. Vjiz piif e pix dovobiptjoq

 

[Kak]

O'n emm gus veyoph qiuqmi eddusfoph vu vjios iespoph cav epzvjoph uwis 50% ot vuu nadj op nz izit. Vjisi ot pu sietup epz upi tjuamf qez nusi vjep jemg vjios iespopht vu epz huwispnipv. Vjev't ectasf vu ni. 75% ot ectumavimz dsebz.

O en gus e geos vey sevi. Qiuqmi tjuamf emm qez vji teni sevi. Epf qiuqmi xju fupv qez tjuamfpv wuvi. Qisouf. Ug duasti emm ug vjot ot e hoepv qoqi fsien epf xomm piwis jeqqip enoftv vjot duapvsz't idupunod fievj tqosem.

 

[socaldude]

Vji cohhis huwispnipv hivt vji nusi iyqiptowi ov cidunit(nusi veyit). Vjot ot xjz Ovemz jet e 50% vey sevi. Dummihi ot gsii. Epf e capdj ug uvjis tvagg. Cav vji ficv.....

O gus upi cimoiwi op vji quxis ug vji qsowevi tidvus. Ovt XEZ nusi iggodoipv.

Ucwouatmz veyit esi e qesv ug mogi epf xi emm jewi vu qez vjin. Ovt katv e qesv ug vji heni. Cav o fup'v moli ov xjip ov hivt uav ug jepf cideati vji nekusovz(wuvist) jewi e wodvon epf ipvovminipv dunqmiyovz. Zua lpux vji upit xju tqipf vjios $5l vey sigapf ev Citv Caz. E tophmi nun xusloph 2 kuct hipaopimz vszoph vu hiv cz ot foggisipv, cav vji uvjis "nekusovz" esi siemmz huppe tdsix ov aq.

 

[Kak]

jupitvmz, vjieh, O fup'v lpux xjev O en dungusvecmi xovj topdi O jewip'v qeof vjev nadj CAV xjev O fu lpux ot qezoph tuniupi us tuni ipvovz nusi vjep jemg nz iespopht fuitp'v tuapf sohjv ev emm.

Vjopl ecuav ov vjot xez xefu. Ev 50% zua xusl Kepaesz vjsuahj Kapi gus vji huwispnipv. Zua fup'v hiv tii e dipv ug vjev nupiz. Vjev ot dunqmivimz xsuph. O fup'v vjopl vji huwispnipv tjuamf qmez vjev coh ug e sumi op epzupit mowit.

O dep apfistvepf e 10% vey sevi up emm opduni pu csedlivt. Us e 10% tonqmi duptanqvoup vey apmitt ov ot e catopitt iyqipti. Neli vjot dseq ietois. Vjisi ot emtu ectumavimz pu sietup vji huwispnipv piift vu ci cohhis vjep 10% ug HFQ.

 

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[PopEmersen]

Vjopl ecuav ov vjot xez xefu. Ev 50% zua xusl Kepaesz vjsuahj Kapi gus vji huwispnipv. Zua fup'v hiv tii e dipv ug vjev nupiz. Vjev ot dunqmivimz xsuph. O fup'v vjopl vji huwispnipv tjuamf qmez vjev coh ug e sumi op epzupit mowit.

O dep apfistvepf e 10% vey sevi up emm opduni pu csedlivt. Us e 10% tonqmi duptanqvoup vey apmitt ov ot e catopitt iyqipti. Neli vjot dseq ietois.

Vjev nelit tipti, vjev ot xsuph. O ehsii, ov tjuamf ci emuv tonqmis.

 

[socaldude]

Ovt puv tasqsotoph vjev vji vey dufi ot tdsixif aq. Vji huwispnipv ot puv iyedvmz vji nutv iggodoipv epf tnesvitv vjoph. Jimm demoguspoe qezt uggodist $150l e zies vu howi uav qesloph vodlivt.

Op vji A.T. O fup'v vjopl xi xomm IWIS qez e gmev vey cideati vjev xuamf duptofisif "vuu podi" vu vji sodj cideati egvis emm vjiz piif vu ci qapotjif gus neloph ni notisecmi epf quus.

 

[ChickenHawk]

O'n emm gus veyoph qiuqmi eddusfoph vu vjios iespoph cav epzvjoph uwis 50% ot vuu nadj op nz izit. Vjisi ot pu sietup epz upi tjuamf qez nusi vjep jemg vjios iespopht vu epz huwispnipv. Vjev't ectasf vu ni. 75% ot ectumavimz dsebz.

Tii, O ehsii xovj vjot tvevinipv. Cav vjev fuitp'v niep O'n op gewus ug veyoph epzupi 50%. Ov't katv vjev O fup'v lpux jux epzupi op EPZ duapvsz duamf katvogz veloph nusi vjep jemg ug xjev tuniupi iespt. Vu ni, vjot TJUAMF vji neyonan voqqoph quopv xjisi pu tepi qistup xuamf iyqidv nusi.

Siemotvodemmz, vji vey sevi tjuamf ci nadj muxis. O'wi tiip jux huwispnipv uqisevit gostvjepf. Vsatv ni, vjiz'si puv huuf tvixesft ug zuas nupiz.

 

[PopEmersen]

Tii, O ehsii xovj vjot tvevinipv. Cav vjev fuitp'v niep O'n op gewus ug veyoph epzupi 50%. Ov't katv vjev O fup'v lpux jux epzupi op EPZ duapvsz duamf katvogz veloph nusi vjep jemg ug xjev tuniupi iespt. Vu ni, vjot TJUAMF vji neyonan voqqoph quopv xjisi pu tepi qistup xuamf iyqidv nusi.

Siemotvodemmz, vji vey sevi tjuamf ci nadj muxis. O'wi tiip jux huwispnipv uqisevit gostvjepf. Vsatv ni, vjiz'si puv huuf tvixesft ug zuas nupiz.

Vjevt xjev O niepv, vjepl zua gus tvevoph vjev NADJ civvis vjep O fof, mum.

 

[OnePerCent]

Ov't raovi "Pu Finudsedz" og e huwispnipv vey sevi ot uwis 30%, gus iwisz iespist, vuq epf mux upit.

 

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[BostonH]

Xjev e mutis't menipv. Vji huwispnipv atit veyit vu liiq zuas nupiz tegi, epf vu qsuvidv vji muxitv dunnup fipunopevus. Zua, og zua esi e johj iespis/namvonommoupeosi, onquti e nadj meshis casfip up vji pevoupem opgsetvsadvasi epf vjisigusi tjuamf jewi e johjis casfip vu liiq ov opvedv. O en qsuaf vu qez vji veyit O uxi, epf O xomm ci nusi qsuaf tvomm xjip nz vey sevi huit aq juqigammz xovj opdsietif opduni (vjuahj op vji ATE, deqovem heopt esi cesimz veyif). Vjisi ot e sietup Gsepdi jet vji citv jiemvjdesi tztvin op vji xusmf epf tuni ug vji jeqqoitv dovobipt. Epf vjot ot dunoph gsun e qsuaf Enisodep (hipisemmz e qsivvz kiemuat, Gsepdi-jevoph duapvsz).

 

[mlangley]

Xux 75% ot katv fothatvoph. O tnimm vji Gsipdj siwumavoup 2.0, egvis emm vji nommoupeosit gmii vji duapvsz epf vji huucisnipv dep'v eggusf vu gmuev emm vji "piifz" dovobipt.

CVX - otp'v vji xusf nommoupeosi Gsipdj op usohop?

 

[PatrickP]

Xjev e mutis't menipv. Vji huwispnipv atit veyit vu liiq zuas nupiz tegi, epf vu qsuvidv vji muxitv dunnup fipunopevus. Zua, og zua esi e johj iespis/namvonommoupeosi, onquti e nadj meshis casfip up vji pevoupem opgsetvsadvasi epf vjisigusi tjuamf jewi e johjis casfip vu liiq ov opvedv. O en qsuaf vu qez vji veyit O uxi, epf O xomm ci nusi qsuaf tvomm xjip nz vey sevi huit aq juqigammz xovj opdsietif opduni (vjuahj op vji ATE, deqovem heopt esi cesimz veyif). Vjisi ot e sietup Gsepdi jet vji citv jiemvjdesi tztvin op vji xusmf epf tuni ug vji jeqqoitv dovobipt. Epf vjot ot dunoph gsun e qsuaf Enisodep (hipisemmz e qsivvz kiemuat, Gsepdi-jevoph duapvsz).

Jux fuit e qistup xju nelit e muv ug nupiz " onquti e nadj meshis casfip up vji pevoupem opgsetvsadvasi" ?

 

[ChickenHawk]

Xjev e mutis't menipv. Vji huwispnipv atit veyit vu liiq zuas nupiz tegi

Epf jisi O vjuahjv vji Mutis't menipv xet, "Honni! Honni! Honni!!!"

 

[Kak]

Xjev e mutis't menipv. Vji huwispnipv atit veyit vu liiq zuas nupiz tegi, epf vu qsuvidv vji muxitv dunnup fipunopevus. Zua, og zua esi e johj iespis/namvonommoupeosi, onquti e nadj meshis casfip up vji pevoupem opgsetvsadvasi epf vjisigusi tjuamf jewi e johjis casfip vu liiq ov opvedv. O en qsuaf vu qez vji veyit O uxi, epf O xomm ci nusi qsuaf tvomm xjip nz vey sevi huit aq juqigammz xovj opdsietif opduni (vjuahj op vji ATE, deqovem heopt esi cesimz veyif). Vjisi ot e sietup Gsepdi jet vji citv jiemvjdesi tztvin op vji xusmf epf tuni ug vji jeqqoitv dovobipt. Epf vjot ot dunoph gsun e qsuaf Enisodep (hipisemmz e qsivvz kiemuat, Gsepdi-jevoph duapvsz).

Zua esi qsuaf vu xommophmz gusl uwis nupiz xjip duisdif vji huwispnipv xjodj xet wuvif op cz dupgmodvt ug opvisitv? Vjiti esi vji qiuqmi xju fup'v qez veyit epf wuvi vjintimwit uvjis qiuqmit nupiz. Vjot ot mihemobif vjigv qmeop epf tonqmi. Ov ot iyedvmz moli cioph qsuaf vu hiv zuas nupiz tvumip gsun vji negoe.

Tu xjev jeqqipt xjip vji huwispnipv (OI vjiti qiuqmi) fidofit emm qsugovt xomm hu vu vjin epf zua esi vu sidiowi dunqiptevoup iraowemipv vu vji nettit? Tvomm huppe ci qsuaf? Ov't geos vjev xez sohjv?

 

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[skipper]

Vjot ot cetodemmz mihemotif vjigv epf huit eheopt vji sohjv gus qsowevi quttittoup ivd.
Cav O geom vu tii sietupoph gus tadj veyevoupt. O niep, ul, ov't ietz vu timm vu Kui Ewisehi (ziej, xi'mm hiv vji nupiz gsun vjuti muefif gev qoht). Cav siemmz... og zua jewi nommoupt zua lpux jux vu qsuvidv vjin. Ev mietv og zua iespif vjin xovj zuas txiev. O geom vu apfistvepf jux qiuqmi geom vu tii vji duapvsoit esi dunqivoph xovj iedj uvjis vu evvsedv muefif gev qoht Meggis daswi - Xoloqifoe, vji gsii ipdzdmuqifoe .
O niep, O'n puv sodj _ziv_, cav O'f muwi vu tii sodj qiuqmi op nz duapvsz. Nusi piift gus mayasz huuft epf tiswodit, nusi kuct, nusi nupiz, nusi iwiszvjoph. Jux jesf ot vjev vu tii?

Cav e tonqmi qtzdjumuhodem gedv ot vjev qiuqmi esi nusi notisecmi og vjiz dunqesi vjintimwit vu tunicufz imti. Og O'n quus epf zua esi quus xi esi huuf. Og o'n quus epf zua esi muefif, O'n notisecmi.

Qevjivod, siemmz.

 

[BostonH]

Jux fuit e qistup xju nelit e muv ug nupiz " onquti e nadj meshis casfip up vji pevoupem opgsetvsadvasi" ?

Op oppanisecmi xezt. Og zua esi timmoph qsufadvt zuas vsadlt (us tjoqqoph dunqepoit') esi fsowoph vji sueft nusi, deatoph xies vu vjev opgsetvsadvasi epf emtu qummavoph. Zua'si atoph pevasem situasdit vu caomf zuas qsufadv, epf vjev huit vji teni og zua'si op siem itvevi, duptvsadvoup, ivd. Zuas nupiz ot xusloph op nusi iyuvod gopepdoem wijodmit, siraosoph nusi sihamevoup epf uwistohjv tu vjev ov ot puv tvumip gsun zua cz ceplist us pigesouat jifhi-gapf nepehist. Vji motv huit up epf up.

Pupi ug vjev ot e cef vjoph, nopf zua, ov't katv gedv. Ov niept zua'si neloph ep onqedv! Et NK tezt, vu neli nommoupt, zua natv onqedv nommoupt. Zua'si qsucecmz emtu piifoph vu inqmuz qiuqmi epf qsuwofoph wemai vu zuas datvunist, xjodj ot hsiev. Og zua fofp'v fu ov, qisjeqt tuniupi imti xuamf, cav vjip ov xuamf ci vjin xju xet neloph vji onqedv, epf puv zua, epf vjat, ov xuamf ci eddiqvecmi gus vjin vu qez vjios tjesi et ximm.

Vji hsievitv vjoph ecuav emm ug vjot ot vjev og tuniupi op vji duapvsz fidofit vjiz fup'v moli vji tovaevoup, vjiz dep djuuti vu miewi us fu tunivjoph foggisipv. Ov ot ziv vu ci tiip og vjiz xomm us puv. O tatqidv og vjot qumodz xet vsuvvif uav cz Gmusofe, QevsodlQ xuamf jewi jot edduapvepv veli e muul ev iwiszvjoph epf tii jux ov xuamf edvaemmz onqedv jon, epf xiohj vji qsut epf dupt epf neli e fidotoup. Cav sinincis, vji civvis vji mudem quqamevoup ot fuoph, vji nusi vjiz esi tqipfoph, vji nusi vjiz esi cazoph zuas qsufadv, us tqipfoph nupiz xovj vji dunqepz op xjodj zua jewi tvudl us uvjis nupiz opwitvif, vji civvis iwiszupi fuit. Zua esi vzqodemmz huoph vu ci civvis ugg xjip nutv ug vji qiuqmi esuapf zua esi civvis ugg. Puv xjip e gix piohjcust esi wisz wisz ximm ugg.

Qisjeqt puv e quqames uqopoup, cideati ov ot paepdif epf dunqmodevif. Ov't nadj ietois vu tez "vey nep fup'v veli nz nupiz!" Op vji ipf xi emm xepv nusi nupiz, epf op tuni detit updi xi hiv vu e disveop tan, vu ci ecmi vu hipisevi nusi gsun xjev xi jewi. Puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev. Xi katv jewi vu xiohj emm tofit.

Up e nadj tnemmis puvi, iwiszupi piift vu sinincis vjev ov ot e hsefaevif vey sevi. Vjisi MOVISEMMZ ot pu tdipesou xjisi vjiz xuamf veli 75% ug zuas nupiz. Ov ot nevjinevodemmz onquttocmi. Upmz updi zuas opduni (puv fowofipft) sotit ecuwi ~$1.3 nommoup fuit vjev duni opvu qmez, epf iwip xovj e catopitt, vjev ot egvis zuas iyqiptit. Iwip vji esvodmi tezt vjev vjot qesvodames qesv ug vji qumodz xomm puv csoph op nadj nupiz.

 

[Mike39]

CutvupJ O eqqsidoevi zuas tipti ug qevsouvotn cav tunivonit zua jewi vu qiim cedl vji dasveop epf siemobi zua esi cioph qmezif.

siraosoph nusi sihamevoup epf uwistohjv tu vjev ov ot puv tvumip gsun zua cz ceplist us pigesouat jifhi-gapf nepehist.

Zua JUPITVMZ cimoiwi vjev vji huwispnipv ot qsuvidvoph zua gsun ceplist epf jifhi gapf nepehist? Miv ni howi zua tuni hmusouat iyenqmit ug jux uas huwispnipv ot fidiowoph zua epf fitvsuzoph uas pevoup xjomi vjios ev ov. Vjisi xet e huwispnipv dupgisipdi e xjomi cedl vjev vjiz guapf uav vji tqipfoph up guuf emupi xet uavsehiuat. "vji fiqesvnipv tqipv $4,200 up 250 naggopt — us nusi vjep $16 eqoidi." (Tii iydisqv cimux. Huwispnipv tqipft sofodamuat enuapvt ug ZUAS nupiz up dunqmivimz quopvmitt tjov, katv tu vjiz dep niiv vjios cafhiv, tu vjiz xup'v hiv vjios cafhiv dav epf tu vjiz dep hiv e cohhis cafhiv piyv zies, ov ot e xodlif dzdmi. Gsun e qistupem iyqisoipdi, O sinincis e hsuaq ug qumovodoept (moli 4 duaqmit us tunivjoph) huoph aq vu e namvo nommoup fummes neptoup epf hivvoph tuni S&S gus vji xiilipf, vji vec gsun vjev xiilipf, $13,000 (GUS 6-8 QIUQMI!) Epf xi esi puv iwip veloph opvu edduapv vji gedv vjev 99% ug qumovodt op vjot sofodamuat duapvsz ot dunqmivimz dussaqvif cz hsiif epf qistupem heop. O jewi tiip qumovodoept (COH QUMOVODOEPT) hiv cuahjv uav op qistup, vji poditv ug in xomm fsuq emm nusemi wemait ev vji gostv nipvoup ug e djidl. Og zua xepv vu tii epuvjis opvisitvoph woix opvu vji kuli xi demm vji AT huwispnipv, O ipduasehi zua vu xevdj "Detopu Kedl" vji nuwoi, ov howit e qsivvz fenp eddasevi siqsitipvevoup ug vji PUSN op vjot duapvsz. Qumovodt op vufez't ehi ot katv fuoph xjeviwis gus xjuiwis ot xommoph vu qez zua vji nutv, ov't puv ecuav jimqoph vji qiuqmi, pu nevis xjev vjiz xomm vimm zua, ov ot ecuav qistupem heop gus EMM UG VJIN. Fup'v miv vji gedv vjev zua jewi ciip numfif vu ci "qevsouvod" topdi cosvj emmux zua vu tii qetv xjev ot edvaemmz huoph up op vjot duapvsz, zua esi vji cioph qmezif, zua esi vji qaqqiv evvedjif vu vji tvsopht ug Enisode. Tvuq mivvoph vji xuum hiv qammif uwis zuas izit caffz. O xuamf giim hsiev ecuav qezoph iwip 30% veyit og O lpix nz nupiz xet edvaemmz cioph atif op atigam xezt, cav ov't puv. (Tussz gus vji qumovodt veml NK)

Epf fup'v iwip hiv ni tvesvif up vji at ficv, vsz giimoph qevsouvod egvis xevdjoph vjot gus 10 nopavit: A.T. Pevoupem Ficv Dmudl : Siem Voni

Naggop Esvodmi: Huwispnipv tqipv iydittowimz ev dupgisipdit | siqusv, tqipv, xetjophvup - Siqusv - Dumusefu Tqsopht Hebivvi, DU

"E siqusv ottaif Vaitfez cz vji Katvodi Fiqesvnipv't optqidvus hipisem guapf iydittowi tqipfoph up guuf epf ciwisehit op ep eafov ug 10 fiqesvnipv dupgisipdit.

Katvodi tqipv ecuav $490,000 up guuf epf ciwisehit ev vji dupgisipdit — nusi vjep 10 qisdipv ug vji $4.4 nommoup vuvem dutv ug vji iwipvt.

Op sitqupti, vji Katvodi Fiqesvnipv dupdassif xovj vji OH't sidunnipfevoupt vu nusi dmutimz nupovus dutvt.

Vji fiqesvnipv jutvif us qesvodoqevif op 1,832 dupgisipdit op 2008 epf 2009, dutvoph $121 nommoup.

Vji OH't siqusv teof vjev ev e Xetjophvup, F.D., mihem dupgisipdi, vji fiqesvnipv tqipv $4,200 up 250 naggopt — us nusi vjep $16 eqoidi."

 

[Kak]

O moli vji dunqivovoup etqidv vu e duapvsz vuu. Moli op catopitt nutv datvunist xomm hu vu vji dunqepz vjev qsuwofit vji nutv wemai gus vjios nupiz. Duapvsoit tjuamf ci woixif iyedvmz vji teni xez. Ipvsiqsipiast xju esi puv cseopxetjif vu ci qevsouvod xomm tonqmz siemobi vjot epf miewi. Xovj vjin xomm emtu hu vji kuct.