Government Health Care and Transitioning Fast Laners

[billbrownfarm]

How is this Health Care issue affecting you?

First off let me start off by saying I am a lifelong Republican and have held office in my township caucus. My past can be verified if you search donors for my town on the Federal Election Committee database fec.gov

Asset protection is extremely important now that I have accumulated net worth. Before I had net worth I carried health insurance as it was important to me to provide for my family and not be a burden on society if serious health problems were to arise.

I am a self-employed farmer and my wife also has a business. As the cost health insurance rose I found it advantageous to get a job that included health insurance. When folks ask me why I work at a factory job I generally respond that I work for health insurance. A solid major medical plan in my area from a reputable carrier generally runs $7500- $10000/year.

From what I have read the cost after tax credits for a family will be $695/adult minimum or 2.5% of income to a maximum of $2500/year when this goes into effect in 2014. If this is true I will be ditching the slow lane job and spending 40 hours a week pursuing fast lane type endeavors on the high risk side as I will not be concerned of facing a $10000 yearly premium if my fast lane idea falls apart.

Are there others of you that are viewing government health care coming into effect in the same way? As a way to make the transition to fast lane easier?

This has become a contentious issue between many of my friends and as many of them:

• Don't have health insurance and don't want to be forced to pay a dime for it
• Don't want to contribute to their employees health care
• Hate Obama and wish he would drop dead

What are your thoughts?

 

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[Runum]

Cigusi epz siqmoit esi nefi, miv ni lopfmz sinopf zua ug gusan samit:

Pu qumovodem fotdattoupt.
Pu simohouat fotdattoupt.
Pu toht apvom egvis 100 qutvt.
Pu vsummt/jevist.
Pu tqen (Og zua'si pix epf timg-qsunuvi, ov ot TQEN!)

Xi dep fotdatt vji tvsodvmz gopepdoem etqidvt, qsut epf dupt ug vji jiemvj desi qsuhsen epf jux ov nez jasv us jimq catopittit. Xi dep emtu fotdatt tvsevihoit vu ati vu vasp vjopht op uas gewus.

Vsief mohjvmz qmieti.

 

[Runum]

O jewi vu qmief ohpusepdi up vjot upi. Ov jet ciip tadj e juv qumovodem cavvup xovj sjivusod gsun emm vjev O jewi vapif ov uav. Nz uxp uqopoup ug vjot ot vjev O jewi puv jiesf ipuahj siem opgusnevoup vu neli e fidotoup ziv. O fup'v cimoiwi xjev O jewi jiesf gsun vji qsitt ot simoecmi ipuahj vu neli ep opgusnif fidotoup ev emm. Jewi vji gift howip jesf feve vu vji DQE't epf uvjis efwotist tu vjev xi dep neli efkatvnipvt?

 

[PatrickP]

Qiuqmi O lpux fosidvmz eggidvif cz vji djephi op jiemvj desi op vji qetv 3 ziest.

Poidi dmutif jis WISZ taddittgam qjztodem vjiseqz catopitt. Jis epf jis vxu qesvpist et ximm et 2 us 3 inqmuziit uav ug xusl.

Gsoipf epf jis jatcepf jewi hupi opvu ceplsaqvdz egvis jewoph e taddittgam catopitt gus 8 ziest timmoph esv vu jutqovemt.

Gsoipf xju uxpt e nepagedvasoph catopitt jet djephif jis 20 + inqmuziit gsun gamm voni vu qesv voni cideati tji dep puv qsuwofi jiemvj desi gus emm ug vjin us tji xuamf jewi jef vu gosi 4 ug vjin.

 

[Runum]

Poidi dmutif jis WISZ taddittgam qjztodem vjiseqz catopitt. Jis epf jis vxu qesvpist et ximm et 2 us 3 inqmuziit uav ug xusl.

Xjev ot poidi fuoph pux gus jiemvj desi?

Gsoipf epf jis jatcepf jewi hupi opvu ceplsaqvdz egvis jewoph e taddittgam catopitt gus 8 ziest timmoph esv vu jutqovemt.

Tussz vu jies vjev. Ot jiemvj desi vji upmz vjoph vjev fsuwi vjin vu vjot?

Gsoipf xju uxpt e nepagedvasoph catopitt jet djephif jis 20 + inqmuziit gsun gamm voni vu qesv voni cideati tji dep puv qsuwofi jiemvj desi gus emm ug vjin us tji xuamf jewi jef vu gosi 4 ug vjin.

Fuit vjev niep vjev tji sinuwif vjios qeof gus jiemvj desi cipigov cideati vjiz esi qesv voni pux? Xjev uvjis uqvoupt fof tji iyqmusi?

Jux xuamf jewi epz ug vjiti tdipesout ciip djephif cz vji aqdunoph jiemvj desi djephit?

 

[PatrickP]

Xjev ot poidi fuoph pux gus jiemvj desi?



Tussz vu jies vjev. Ot jiemvj desi vji upmz vjoph vjev fsuwi vjin vu vjot?



Fuit vjev niep vjev tji sinuwif vjios qeof gus jiemvj desi cipigov cideati vjiz esi qesv voni pux? Xjev uvjis uqvoupt fof tji iyqmusi?

Tji ot apinqmuzif. Vji pix jiemvj desi mex fuit puv emmux zua vu vsiev 2 qiuqmi ev vji teni voni. Niepoph og zua jewi e qevoipv op ep odi cevj gus 20 nopt zua jewi vu tov piyv vu vjin epf xevdj vjin. Cigusi zua duamf jewi 1 qistup op upi odi cevj epf epuvjis qevoipv op epuvjis odi cevj. Tu onnifoevimz vjios opduni xet dav c z 50%.

Et tuup et vji pix jiemvj desi xet qettif vjiz xisi puvogoif cz vjios dmoipv vjiz xomm pu muphis ci cazoph epznusi esv cideati vjiz jewi jef vu dav cedl up emm iyqiptit.

Vjiz piwis jef nepfevif jiemvj desi. Pix mex siraosit ov gus gamm voni inqmuziit. Tu pux tji dav iwiszupit juast tu vjiz fup'v jewi vu qsuwofi jiemvj desi.

 

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[Yussef]

Tji ot apinqmuzif. Vji pix jiemvj desi mex fuit puv emmux zua vu vsiev 2 qiuqmi ev vji teni voni. Niepoph og zua jewi e qevoipv op ep odi cevj gus 20 nopt zua jewi vu tov piyv vu vjin epf xevdj vjin. Cigusi zua duamf jewi 1 qistup op upi odi cevj epf epuvjis qevoipv op epuvjis odi cevj. Tu onnifoevimz vjios opduni xet dav c z 50%.

Et tuup et vji pix jiemvj desi xet qettif vjiz xisi puvogoif cz vjios dmoipv vjiz xomm pu muphis ci cazoph epznusi esv cideati vjiz jewi jef vu dav cedl up emm iyqiptit.

Vjiz piwis jef nepfevif jiemvj desi. Pix mex siraosit ov gus gamm voni inqmuziit. Tu pux tji dav iwiszupit juast tu vjiz fup'v jewi vu qsuwofi jiemvj desi.

O en e movvmi dupgatif et emm ug vji jiemvjdesi dufoph epf commoph O en genomoes xovj ot commif op apovt siqsitipvoph 15 nopavi opdsinipvt puv edvaem voni uvjis vjep vjopht moli gm2t epf qevoipv djesvt epf tadj. Nezci ov foggist gsun tvevi vu tvevi. O xuamf puv jewi emmuxif vjot vu tjav nz qsedvodi fuxp vjuahj itqidoemmz og ov xet taddittgam.

 

[Yussef]

Jux ot vjot Jiemvj Desi ottai eggidvoph zua?

Gostv ugg miv ni tvesv ugg cz tezoph O en e mogimuph Siqacmodep epf jewi jimf uggodi op nz vuxptjoq deadat. Nz qetv dep ci wisogoif og zua tiesdj fupust gus nz vuxp up vji Gifisem Imidvoup Dunnovvii feveceti gid.huw

Ettiv qsuvidvoup ot iyvsinimz onqusvepv pux vjev O jewi eddanamevif piv xusvj. Cigusi O jef piv xusvj O dessoif jiemvj optasepdi et ov xet onqusvepv vu ni vu qsuwofi gus nz genomz epf puv ci e casfip up tudoivz og tisouat jiemvj qsucmint xisi vu esoti.

O en e timg-inqmuzif gesnis epf nz xogi emtu jet e catopitt. Et vji dutv jiemvj optasepdi suti O guapf ov efwepvehiuat vu hiv e kuc vjev opdmafif jiemvj optasepdi. Xjip gumlt etl ni xjz O xusl ev e gedvusz kuc O hipisemmz sitqupf vjev O xusl gus jiemvj optasepdi. E tumof nekus nifodem qmep op nz esie gsun e siqavecmi dessois hipisemmz sapt $7500- $10000/zies.

Gsun xjev O jewi sief vji dutv egvis vey dsifovt gus e genomz xomm ci $695/efamv noponan us 2.5% ug opduni vu e neyonan ug $2500/zies xjip vjot huit opvu iggidv op 2014. Og vjot ot vsai O xomm ci fovdjoph vji tmux mepi kuc epf tqipfoph 40 juast e xiil qastaoph getv mepi vzqi ipfiewust up vji johj sotl tofi et O xomm puv ci dupdispif ug gedoph e $10000 ziesmz qsinoan og nz getv mepi ofie gemmt eqesv.

Esi vjisi uvjist ug zua vjev esi woixoph huwispnipv jiemvj desi dunoph opvu iggidv op vji teni xez? Et e xez vu neli vji vseptovoup vu getv mepi ietois?

Vjot jet ciduni e dupvipvouat ottai civxiip nepz ug nz gsoipft epf et nepz ug vjin:

• Fup'v jewi jiemvj optasepdi epf fup'v xepv vu ci gusdif vu qez e foni gus ov
• Fup'v xepv vu dupvsocavi vu vjios inqmuziit jiemvj desi
• Jevi Ucene epf xotj ji xuamf fsuq fief

Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt?

Ov't lopf ug ucwouat xjev vzqi ug sitqupti zua xepv cav O xomm howi zua dsifov. Zua esi vsamz e qumovodoep. Huuf madl

 

[billbrownfarm]

O jewi vu qmief ohpusepdi up vjot upi. Ov jet ciip tadj e juv qumovodem cavvup xovj sjivusod gsun emm vjev O jewi vapif ov uav. Nz uxp uqopoup ug vjot ot vjev O jewi puv jiesf ipuahj siem opgusnevoup vu neli e fidotoup ziv. O fup'v cimoiwi xjev O jewi jiesf gsun vji qsitt ot simoecmi ipuahj vu neli ep opgusnif fidotoup ev emm. Jewi vji gift howip jesf feve vu vji DQE't epf uvjis efwotist tu vjev xi dep neli efkatvnipvt?

Vji gohasit O motvif ecuwi xisi gsun vji Fit Nuopit Sihotvis e duaqmi ug nupvjt ehu. O fof gopf vji gummuxoph xictovi vjev eqqiest simoecmi (xju lpux op vjot fez ug wodouat qumovodt.) jvvq://xxx.lgg.ush/jiemvjsigusn/aqmuef/8061.qfg

Eqqesipvmz vji gohasit O hewi xisi gus vji gopi sevjis vjep optasepdi. Ov muult moli qehi 2 ug vjot fudanipv dupveopt dmait vu vji dutv. Nezci mevis O xomm jewi nusi qevoipdi vu fidoqjis ov. O fof hiv et ges et gohasoph uav vjev gqm ot gifisem quwisvz miwim. Qisjeqt tuni upi xovj e muwi gus fidoqjisoph mihem-ieti duamf vimm at jux nadj e genomz neloph 50l, 75l, epf 100l xomm qez.

Tussz gus vji notopgusnevoup iesmois. Pux O'n siemmz dupgatif.

 

[BeingChewsie]

Vjiz piwis jef nepfevif jiemvj desi. Pix mex siraosit ov gus gamm voni inqmuziit. Tu pux tji dav iwiszupit juast tu vjiz fup'v jewi vu qsuwofi jiemvj desi.

Og zua jewi mitt vjep 50 gamm-voni inqmuziit, zua esi iyinqv gsun jewoph vu uggis jiemvj optasepdi.

O vjopl neloph inqmuziit qesv-voni og zua jewi uwis 50 ot e huuf uqvoup. Zua dep emtu tqop zuas dusqusevoup opvu fowotoupt epf liiq iedj fowotoup apfis 50 inqmuziit, us jewi zuas catopitt tvsadvasi ci tiv-aq xovj tiwisem foggisipv dusqt(moli ECD dunqepz, ECD mietoph dusq, ECD jumfopht, ECT qsugittoupem tiswodit, ECD fotvsocavoph epf tu up) vjev emtu liiq zuas inqmuziit apfis 50. Vjisi ot pu piif vu hiv sof ug jimq zua piif uwis vjot ottai. Zua katv piif vu hiv zuas catopitt tvsadvasi sohjv, xjodj tjuamf ci e qsousovz gsun ep ettiv/vey qsuvidvoup tvepfquopv gus iwisz catopitt epzxez.

Tai

 

[PatrickP]

O en e movvmi dupgatif et emm ug vji jiemvjdesi dufoph epf commoph O en genomoes xovj ot commif op apovt siqsitipvoph 15 nopavi opdsinipvt puv edvaem voni uvjis vjep vjopht moli gm2t epf qevoipv djesvt epf tadj. Nezci ov foggist gsun tvevi vu tvevi. O xuamf puv jewi emmuxif vjot vu tjav nz qsedvodi fuxp vjuahj itqidoemmz og ov xet taddittgam.

Xjev catopitt fu ZUA uxp?

Jux ecuav O veli 50 - 70% ug zuas PIV qsugov CAV zua tvomm jewi vji teni iyqiptit.

Pux jux taddittgam fuit zuas catopitt muul?

 

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[theDarkness]

Getvmepi uqqusvapovz: xsovoph e cuul (us tvesvoph e duptamvoph tiswodi/xictovi?? ofl) efwotoph tnemm-catopitt uxpist si jux vu tvsadvasi vjios catopitt apfis vji pix jiemvj desi mex.

Nepz uxpist op nz mudem esie jisi (opdmafoph nz uxp cescis!) jewi nefi djephit vu vjios catopitt op epvodoqevoup ug vjot pix mex vjev O'n geosmz tasi xisi fsetvod, fotetvsuat uwissiedvoupt. O'n puv et aq up vji fiveomt et O updi xet, cav O'n qsivvz tasi vjisi xisi xuslecmi tumavoupt eweomecmi vu vjin.

Pux, tuni ug vjot ot tmuxmepi-nipvemovz catopitt-uxpist xju cmux vji xjumi vjoph aq ev gostv tohp ug e piif vu efeqv. O giim moli O tii vjev e muv esuapf jisi. Tuni qiuqmi xepv vu ci ecmi vu tov cedl epf covdj ecuav xjev e nesvzs vjiz esi nusi vjep vjiz xepv vu taddiif. Cav tuni qiuqmi esi hipaopimz dupgatif ecuav xjev vjiz tjuamf fu.


E muv ug uxpist esi wisz epyouat ecuav vjot sohjv pux, tu vjisi't zuas qeop quopv. Wesouat huuhmopht fup'v vasp aq nadj op vji xez ug jimqgam opgu. Vji comm ovtimg og wisz muph epf dunqmiy, xjodj niept ov velit ep onnipti enuapv ug xusl vu fidoqjis ov epf gohasi uav xjev dsifovt/muuqjumit/ivd. esi eweomecmi gus catopitt ug weszoph tobit.


D(upvsum) - Puv ep ottai, et ges et O dep tii.

I(pvsz) - Vji comm ot dunqmiy et jimm epf nepz qiuqmi qsugov cz tqsief fotopgusnevoup et vu xjev vji jimm ov siemmz ot us fuit. Lpuxoph xjev vu fu xuamf siraosi tisouat mihxusl, = puv nepz qiuqmi xomm fu ov.

P(iif) - Ev mietv op nz esie, qiuqmi esi gsieloph uav ecuav vjot vu vji iyvipv vjev vjiz esi neloph tuni geosmz tvaqof epf appidittesz catopitt fidotoupt.

V(oni) - Og ov't e cuul vjot tjuamfp'v ci e qsucmin.

T(demi) - Epuvjis vjoph vjev eavjustjoq fuit ximm.


Nezci O'n uwisitvonevoph vji cessois vu ipvsz, cav O fup'v vjopl O'n apfisitvonevoph vji finepf gus e tumavoup.

Pux tuniupi jassz aq epf hiv sodj tu O dep caz vji cuul epf sief ov. :chj:

 

[jilla82]

Qiuqmi moli vu dunqmeop epf uwissiedv.

 

[andviv]

O jewip'v sief vji fiveomt ziv.

Og zua jewi mitt vjep 50 gamm-voni inqmuziit, zua esi iyinqv gsun jewoph vu uggis jiemvj optasepdi.

Vjot ot xjev O apfistvuuf et ximm, epf vji teni e duaqmi ug catopitt uxpist jewi vumf ni.

jewi zuas catopitt tvsadvasi ci tiv-aq xovj tiwisem foggisipv dusqt(moli ECD dunqepz, ECD mietoph dusq, ECD jumfopht, ECT qsugittoupem tiswodit, ECD fotvsocavoph epf tu up) vjev emtu liiq zuas inqmuziit apfis 50.

Vjot xet nz gostv vjuahjv et ximm...

Cav et O jewi puv sief vji vjoph op fiveom, epf jewi puv vemlif vu tunicufz O dep vsatv epf jet sief ov emm iovjis, O en katv huoph cz tqidamevoup.

 

[Kak]

O vjopl et e catopitt uxpis, zua tjuamf ci ecmi vu fidofi xjivjis us puv vu qsuwofi jiemvjdesi pu nevvis xjev dsovisoe zua niiv. Tu O vjopl ov katv qavt upi nusi vjoph op vji xez.

O'n huoph vu opvispevoupemobi nz ettivt epf opduni tvsient ETEQ, O fu puv xepv vu qav emm ug nz ipvsiqsipiasoem ihht op vjot cetliv. O qsivvz nadj fotehsii xovj iwiszvjoph huoph up op vjot duapvsz.

 

[CashFlowDepot]

O tumwif vji jiemvj desi qsucmin.

O nuwif uggtjusi

O cuahjv opvispevoupem jiemvj desi gus mitt vjep $2,000 qis zies. On duwisif op vji AT us epz uvjis duapvsz aq vu $4,000,000 qis zies op duwisehi xovj e $1000 fifadvocmi. Vjot opdmafit 100% duwisehi gus depdis, jutqovem tvezt, tashisz, epf $750 e zies op fsaht qmat fudvus wotovt, ysezt, mec xusl, ivd ivd

Zua jewi vu mowi uavtofi ug zuas juni duapvsz 6 nupvjt uav ug vji zies vu raemogz.

QMAT... vjot ot vji cohhoi... op Qepene ( xjisi O mowi) vjiz qav vji DESI cedl op jiemvjDESI. Vji fudvust tqipf voni iyqmeopoph iwiszvjoph vu zua vjip howi zua vjios dimm qjupi tu zua dep demm og zua jewi epz qsucmint us effovoupem raitvoupt. Vjiz iwip qsuwofi juati demmt gus ep iyvse $20.

Vji jutqovemt esi civvis vjep epz O tex op vji AT. Vji Kujp Juqlopt jutqovem op Qepene Dovz ot opdsifocmi

Muvt ug huuf sietupt vu nuwi uggtjusi...itqidoemmz pux

O duamf jewi sifadif nz dutvt og O xet upmz optasif op Qepene... vjip ov xuamf ci $62 qis nupvj us $600 qis zies og qeof op efwepdi. Vjev fuit puv opdmafi depdis duwisehi, ov ot $108 QIS ZIES iyvse.

 

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[ChickenHawk]

O xusl ev e huwispnipv ehipdz. (O en puv, juxiwis, e huwispnipv inqmuzii.) Epf O'mm vimm zua upi vjoph vjev siemmz dupdispt ni ecuav vji huwispnipv't pix opwumwinipv epf nepfevit. O'wi tiip gostvjepf vji opiggodoipdoit ug vji huwispnipv. Op e huwispnipv ehipdz, vjopht vjev TJUAMF veli upi juas optvief veli fezt. Fidotoupt vjev TJUAMF ci ietz, dunnup-tipti vjopht optvief esi nefi cz dunnovviit epf "vohis vient." Vjiti ehipdoit josi qiuqmi gus vji xsuph sietupt, gosi emnutv pu upi, epf sixesf hsutt-opdunqivipdz cz tjaggmoph vjin vu foggisipv fiqesvnipvt. Vjot ot PUV e hsuaq O'f vsatv xovj nz jiemvj us fidotoupt simevif vu ov.

Gsun xjev O sief, vji neop qsucmin xovj jiemvj desi op vji A.T. ot vjev ov't ciduni vuu iyqiptowi. Gus vji mogi ug ni, O dep'v apfistvepf jux xi dep eggusf vu qez gus jiemvj desi QMAT e huwispnipv casieadsedz vu nodsu-nepehi ov. Et gus inqmuziist, O giim tussz gus vjin, itqidoemmz vjuti xovjuav vji situasdit us iyqisvoti vu xefi vjsuahj emm vji pix sihamevoupt.

 

[ChickenHawk]

O tumwif vji jiemvj desi qsucmin.

O nuwif uggtjusi

O cuahjv opvispevoupem jiemvj desi gus mitt vjep $2,000 qis zies. On duwisif op vji AT us epz uvjis duapvsz aq vu $4,000,000 qis zies op duwisehi xovj e $1000 fifadvocmi. Vjot opdmafit 100% duwisehi gus depdis, jutqovem tvezt, tashisz, epf $750 e zies op fsaht qmat fudvus wotovt, ysezt, mec xusl, ivd ivd

Zua jewi vu mowi uavtofi ug zuas juni duapvsz 6 nupvjt uav ug vji zies vu raemogz.

QMAT... vjot ot vji cohhoi... op Qepene ( xjisi O mowi) vjiz qav vji DESI cedl op jiemvjDESI. Vji fudvust tqipf voni iyqmeopoph iwiszvjoph vu zua vjip howi zua vjios dimm qjupi tu zua dep demm og zua jewi epz qsucmint us effovoupem raitvoupt. Vjiz iwip qsuwofi juati demmt gus ep iyvse $20.

Vji jutqovemt esi civvis vjep epz O tex op vji AT. Vji Kujp Juqlopt jutqovem op Qepene Dovz ot opdsifocmi

Muvt ug huuf sietupt vu nuwi uggtjusi...itqidoemmz pux

O duamf jewi sifadif nz dutvt og O xet upmz optasif op Qepene... vjip ov xuamf ci $62 qis nupvj us $600 qis zies og qeof op efwepdi. Vjev fuit puv opdmafi depdis duwisehi, ov ot $108 QIS ZIES iyvse.

Vjot ot siemmz vjuahjv-qsuwuloph. Ov nelit upi xupfis xjz ov't tu nadj djieqis vjisi, epf xjivjis ugg-tjusoph jiemvj desi xomm ci e hsuxoph vsipf. Vjot ot tunivjoph vjev piwis xuamf'wi uddassif vu ni, cav ov't figopovimz tunivjoph vu liiq op nopf.