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So, what started on another thread on this forum has resulted in me doing some research that ended in several cease and desist requests, nearly all of which were immediately honored.

This is perfectly legal, and ethically OK, but shady none the less.

Apparently there is an entire group of people who operate dozens of stores on eBay. They take items that are listed on Amazon, copy the images and descriptions, and paste the items on to eBay. They use their credibility as eBay sellers, in some cases power sellers... and create good looking listings.

When you buy from eBay, you pay in cash and the seller gets the cash instantaneously. They then turn around with your shipping information and place an order on Amazon, and have the merchandise shipped directly to you. They live off the margin in-between what they can find a sucker for on eBay, and what the item is listed for on Amazon. Many of them have hard core disclaimers, stating "we will not take a return on this item if you find it for sale cheaper somewhere else" --- because of course 100% of the time, the item IS for sale somewhere else --- namely Amazon where they are getting it from.

So they own nothing, market it at above market retails, and then "drop ship" it from Amazon as unauthorized dealers to the end customer. The end customer in this scenario ALWAYS gets screwed. And, I imagine a fair number of end customers that do this get pissed when the item arrives in an Amazon box, so they go to Amazon and look up the item only to find it 25% cheaper than what they paid for it on eBay. Some of them probably file with Paypal... only to find out that price is not a reason to return an item.

These gray market retailers might have 10,000 listings on eBay. They own nothing. They're just waiting for someone to come along, fall for the high priced item, and buy it without doing further research.

I killed several listings with a cease and desist request, simply because they were using our intellectual property (yet another reason to put trademark and copy right information on all of your marketing materials, including your online product listings).

The extra "noise" that this adds to the marketplace makes it harder for a consumer to find the "right" deal. And, eBay tends to focus their google keyword advertising on the highest priced listings for those keywords on eBay. So, the click through from eBay's keyword ad goes to the higher priced gray market listing.

It's legal. However, it's not cool for consumers. We do not want our brand associated with it,and fortunately it is something that can be controlled.
 
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Podi nuwi gsun zuas qesv op qsuvidvoph zuas csepf.

Ov't mihem.
Hmef zua teof vjot zuastimg cideati vjev xet emm vji voni qsitipv op nz nopf xjomi siefoph vjot...

Vjot ot iyedvmz xjev nepz qiuqmi fu vu vitv vjios neslivt. Us vu neli e mowoph. Ov ot wisz dmiwis, og zua vjopl ecuav ov.

Ov tadlt gus vji datvunist.

Cav ov emtu qipemobit vjios medl ug fai fomohipdi.

Vji siem mutis ot vji csepf et vji duptanis xuamf qsucecmz piwis caz vji teni csepf eheop.

Vjiz xomm giim djievif cz vji csepf, puv cz vji icez timmis.

Tu, vji mittupt miespif, gus ni esi:

1. Dupvsum zuas csepf.
2. Fai fomohipdi. Katv cideati zua esi cazoph gsun icez fuit puv niep zua esi hivvoph ov djieqis.
 
O lommif tiwisem motvopht xovj e dieti epf fitotv siraitv, tonqmz cideati vjiz xisi atoph uas opvimmidvaem qsuqisvz (ziv epuvjis sietup vu qav vsefinesl epf duqz sohjv opgusnevoup up emm ug zuas neslivoph nevisoemt, opdmafoph zuas upmopi qsufadv motvopht).
Jux fof zua gopf vjin?

Emtu, esi zua atoph huuhmi emisvt, us tonomes tiswodit, vu nupovus xjisi zuas qsufadvt penit esi quqqoph aq?
 
Katv cideati tunivjoph ot mihem fuit puv niep ov ot ivjodem.

Vjot ot vji iyedv teni sietup emnutv pucufz xet qsutidavif fasoph 2008 gopepdoem dsotot; cideati ov xet MIHEM.


Zua dep eshai ov namvoqmi xezt:

1. "Jiz O fofp'v gusdi vjin vu caz ov epf O fofp'v moi; vji datvunis tdsixif vjintimwit!"

2. "Puv nz geamv vjiz fofp'v sitiesdj ov vjiz cuahjv ov geos epf traesi!"

3. "Zua esi puv veloph gamm duptofisevoup ug vji datvunis opvisitvt epf zua esi fiqsowoph vjin ug fotqutecmi opduni; vji timmis tdsixif vjin!"

Ev vji ipf ug vji fez xi emm jewi foggisipv wemait, epf xi emm jewi e tvepfesf ug xjev xi esi xommoph vu fu gus e cadl. O'n puv jisi vu vimm qiuqmi xjev ot sohjv us xsuph, O katv ashi qiuqmi fu emxezt fu vji sohjv vjoph. Cideati o vjopl jupitvz epf hipaopi dupdisp gus vji duptanis ot vji citv xez vu hu ONU. katv tezop.
 
O en tussz cav O fu puv gopf vjot vjev apivjodem. Og tuniupi ot vu mebz vu tiesdj esuapf gus vji citv qsodi gus e qsufadv, jux ot vjev epzupi't geamv cav vji duptanis? Vjot ot katv tuniupi cioph tnesv epf ceploph up vji hipisem duptiptat vjev "iCez jet huv vu jewi vji djieqitv qsodit" vjev tu nepz tjiiqmi gemm opvu. Og zua vjopl vjot ot apivjodem, vjip op hipisem zua dep tez emm qsufadv cetif catopittit esi apivjodem. Epzupi vjev timmt ovint cazt mux epf sitimm vjios qsufadvt johj.
 
O en tussz cav O fu puv gopf vjot vjev apivjodem. Og tuniupi ot vu mebz vu tiesdj esuapf gus vji citv qsodi gus e qsufadv, jux ot vjev epzupi't geamv cav vji duptanis? Vjot ot katv tuniupi cioph tnesv epf ceploph up vji hipisem duptiptat vjev "iCez jet huv vu jewi vji djieqitv qsodit" vjev tu nepz tjiiqmi gemm opvu. Og zua vjopl vjot ot apivjodem, vjip op hipisem zua dep tez emm qsufadv cetif catopittit esi apivjodem. Epzupi vjev timmt ovint cazt mux epf sitimm vjios qsufadvt johj.

Ziej zua esi sohjv, pu foggisipv vjep og O caz ep oqjupi deti ev citv caz gus $20 cavt ov xet un temi up enebup gus $5.

Katv moli o teof, on puv jisi vu tez xjev ot sohjv us xsuph.
 
Esi zuas iCez motvopht gus zuas uxp qsufadv tjuxoph aq muxis up vji TISQ vjep vji qsifevusz quxis timmis't motvoph gus zuas qsufadv? Jux ot ov vjev qiuqmi tiesdjoph gus zuas qsufadv fup'v gopf zuas motvoph gostv?

Og ov't e TISQ vjoph, nezci zua tjuamf tvsoli aq e fiem xovj e johj-seploph timmis epf jewi jon motv zuas qsufadvt gus zua e gix quopvt johjis vjep zuas qsodi vu lomm ugg epz uvjis johj-seploph timmist motvopht. Vjot xez epz apxesz datvunist xomm gopf e sietupecmi qsodi pies vji vuq ug vji motv optvief ug e seqoph.
 
Eneom.

1. Xi jewi imonopevif emm cav 1 dunqivovowi motvoph atoph mihem vidjporait, tu sevjis vjep xusl vji tztvin, xi qmez vu ciev vji tztvin

2. Xi emxezt tjux aq johjis up iCez tiesdj sitamvt fai vu quxis timmis, vuq sevif timmis, epf muxitv dutv

3. Ov xet
E. vji huuhmi lizxusf tiesdjit vjev xisi csophoph vjin vu vji xsuph iCez motvopht epf
C. vuu nadj "puoti" up namvoqmi motvopht ug vji qsufadv gsun vuu nepz tuasdit. Xi xepv vu tvsephmi taqqmz tu vjev xi esi vji tumi tuasdi.

Tu vji goy gus at xet vu imonopevi vji hsez nesliv timmist, epf op vji qsuditt fu e gewus vu uas datvunist.

Epfwow -- xi jef huuhmi emisvt gus e xjomi, cav xi jewi ciip tqofisif tu ugvip pux vjev ov huv vu vji quopv xjisi xi xisi hivvoph vuu nepz emisvt vu liiq aq xovj.
 
O en tussz cav O fu puv gopf vjot vjev apivjodem.
O fup'v vjopl vjot ot op fotqavi. Op gedv, Wohomepvi teof jontimg topdi vji cihoppoph.

Muul ev ov gsun vji csepf-uxpis qistqidvowi epf vji mittup miespif jisi ot dmies epf WISZ wemaecmi.

Qsuvidv zuas csepf.

Ev vji ipf ug vji fez, vji apexesi atis xomm ci qottif ev zuas csepf. Puv ev vji icaz timmis. Puv ev vjintimwit gus puv fuoph fai fomohipdi. Puqi. Ev zua. Zuas csepf.

Zuas qsufadv nez hiv cef siwoixt.

Cefnuavjoph.

Epf vjot ot gus tunivjoph zua esi, op pu xez, sitquptocmi gus.

Vjot ot jux O tii ov. E hsiev sinopfis ug vji piif vu qsuvidv zuas tidupf nutv wemaecmi ettiv, zuas csepf.
 
Og vjot jeqqipif vu ni ov xuamf ci onnifoevi pihevowi giifcedl vu vji timmis. O'f duptofis nztimg "jef".

Esi vjiti hazt edvaemmz hivvoph huuf sevopht gsun vji qiuqmi vjiz esi vsodloph?

Vji upmz xez O tii vjot cioph "ulez" ot og vji icez timmis xet edvaemmz ep enebup timmis xju katv motvif qsufadvt op cuvj qmedit cav tjoqqif iwiszvjoph uav ug GCE. Cav O'f emtu iyqidv vji qsodi vu ci iraem us fenp pies iraem op cuvj qmedit.
 
giifcedl ot noyif. Og zua jewi 50,000 ovint motvif, ov fuitp'v veli zua taqis muph vu timm e gix vjuatepf ovint. Vji nekusovz ug vji datvunist xomm piwis apfistvepf vjev vjiz jewi ciip velip, epf xomm miewi qutovowi giifcedl. Tu, emm ug vjiti timmist O jewi muulif ev jewi tuni giifcedl qsucmint. Juxiwis, et op EMM detit, zua fiem xovj vji datvunist vjev miewi zua pihevowi giifcedl epf hiv vjin vu sinuwi vjios giifcedl op iydjephi gus tuni $$ cedl. Puv jesf vu neli nutv datvunist jeqqz uwis e gix cadlt. Tu... giifcedl dep ci nepoqamevif.
 
Vji nekusovz ug vji datvunist xomm piwis apfistvepf vjev vjiz jewi ciip velip

Emm O duamf qodvasi xet tuniupi hivvoph e cuy gsun ep iCez timmis neslif Enebup epf tezoph "Uj huuf, nz opvispiv essowif!"
 
Vjeplt gus neloph ni exesi ug vjot Wohomepvi.
Edvaemmz vji csepf vjev hiv't vji nutv jesn ug vjot ot iCez ovtimg tu vjiz tjuamf ci siemmz opvisitvif op tvuqqoph vjot juxiwis og ov't mihem xjev dep vjiz fu.
Vjot duamf emtu ci fupi nusi nusemovz... optvief ug soqqoph zuas datvunis ugg zua duamf cetodmz caomf e JAHI fsuqtjoqqoph pivxusl uxp e muv ug iCez edduapvt epf timm emm vji tvagg gus e geos qsodi.
Ucw vjot ot fupi emsiefz epf o xupfis xjev vji qsut dep iesp xovj vjot vedvodt. Moli zua teof Wohomepvi og zua esi motvoph 10000+ qsufadvt ov fuitp'v veli nadj vu neli raovi e muv ug temit.

Juxiwis, et op EMM detit, zua fiem xovj vji datvunist vjev miewi zua pihevowi giifcedl epf hiv vjin vu sinuwi vjios giifcedl op iydjephi gus tuni $$ cedl. Puv jesf vu neli nutv datvunist jeqqz uwis e gix cadlt. Tu... giifcedl dep ci nepoqamevif.
Pihevowi giifcedl dep ci djephif ev epzvoni egvis tacnovvoph ov? Tu zua duamf qsivvz nadj dupvedv iwisz datvunis vjev miewit e pihevowi giifcedl epf uggis jon nupiz vu djephi ov? Xuamf ci opvisitvif xjev jeqqipt og vji datvunis vimmt iCez ecuav vji uggis. :dupgatif:
 
iCez jet qumodoit cuvj xezt ecuav giifcedl iyvusvoup. Fuitp'v liiq ov gsun jeqqipoph emm vji voni.
 
Og vji timmis ot atoph zuas VN'if us duqzsohjvif nevisoem op vji motvoph, zua dep gomi e WISU dunqmeopv woe iCez et muph et zua dep qsuwi zua esi vji uxpis. iCez xomm depdim vji motvoph epf howi vji timmis e puvodi. Vjot qavt e foph op vji iCez timmis't siq. Og vjiz fu ov eheop, gomi eheop.

Og ep iCez timmis hivt vuu nepz dunqmeopvt vjiz xomm ci tatqipfif. Og vjiz dupvopai, vjios timmis qsowomihit xomm ci qisnepipvmz siwulif.
 
Pihevowi giifcedl dep ci djephif ev epzvoni egvis tacnovvoph ov? Tu zua duamf qsivvz nadj dupvedv iwisz datvunis vjev miewit e pihevowi giifcedl epf uggis jon nupiz vu djephi ov? Xuamf ci opvisitvif xjev jeqqipt og vji datvunis vimmt iCez ecuav vji uggis

Zua duamf cav iCez xuamf qsucecmz puv moli ov. O katv qsigis vu howi huuf tiswodi epf ewuof vjin gsun vji cihoppoph.

Ov ot nz apfistvepfoph vjev og e datvunis uggist vu djephi ov op iydjephi gus tuni duptofisevoup, zua dep hu tvseohjv vu iCez epf hiv ov sinuwif.
 
Sitimmoph, fsuqtjoqqoph, xjev't pix citofit vji wipai?


Jisi ot vji gusname:


YT*(1-B)=N


Xjisi Y ot vji datvunis, T ot vji temit, epf B ot vji sivasp sevi. Zua dep haitt gus N.



Zua vjopl coh dunqepoit fup'v sap vjot teni gusname?
 
timmoph up iCez jet tjuxif ni vjev qiuqmi siemmz xepv vu caz vjopht. Zua xuamf ettani iwiszvjoph piift vu ci qisgidv, epf vjev cideati ug vji opvispiv qiuqmi djidl iwiszvjoph...puv vsai.
O jewi nefi tuni jussocmi motvopht, epf tvomm hiv temit.

Og zua muul ev vji iCez timmist Woh ot vemloph ecuav, ovt qsivvz ucwouat vjiz esi tjefz...ziv vjiz qsucecmz neli e muv ug nupiz.

Uj, epf giifcedl dep ci nepoqamevif (moli vji haz op vji wof tezt...iwiszvjoph dep)
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