Heart Disease Sucks

[NursingTn]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that heart disease is the number one cause of death for both men and women in the United States (1).

Heart disease is an umbrella term that includes a multitude of diseases, including coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, myocardial infarction ("heart attack"), and so on. Among the numerous heart diseases, coronary artery disease is, by far, the most common heart disease resulting in deaths.

Coronary artery disease is the build up of plaque (you can think of plaque as an accumulation of fat molecules) on the walls of the coronary artery, an extremely important blood vessel that the heart uses to pump blood with oxygen back to itself so the heart can continue living (2).

Eventually, bloodflow through the coronary artery wall significantly or completely stops depending on how much plaque build up is within the blood vessel. With diminished bloodflow through the coronary artery, the heart receives less oxygen riched blood, resulting in the development of diseases such as myocardial infarction (heart attack), congestive heart failure (heart muscles unable to pump blood effectively throughout the body), angina (chest pain), shortness of breath, stroke (brain tissue death from lack of blood flow to brain tissue).

You may be struggling with coronary artery disease. Perhaps you know somebody else struggling with the disease. If you know somebody with a history of heart attacks, then it most likely was from coronary artery disease. If you know somebody with a history of stroke, then it most likely was from coronary artery disease. If you know somebody on hospice for end stage congestive heart failure, then it is probably from coronary artery disease.

Heart disease sucks. Coronary artery disease sucks even more because it is the most common heart disease resulting in deaths.

Thus, I am making a progress thread on my journey in finding ways to combat and make a dent on a very real problem. A problem that causes incredible physical and mental suffering for people with the diseases and those who love them.

I want to beat the hell out of coronary artery disease. What better way to do it than address the risk factors that can be controlled by people: smoking, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol (3).

Since people of all backgrounds (the rich, the poor, workers in all occupations, people of all ages) struggle with the disease, the solutions are as numerous and unique as all the total number of unique people affected by coronary artery disease.

The scope of need is vast. I will need to niche down because I am a one-man team right now. I am niching down to a less one specific population:

Adults who are 30 years old or older, has an active problem of high cholesterol, lives a sedentary lifestyle, eats out frequently (more than three times a week), and has health insurance. I am sure I can niche down even more, but I'll let the market tell me if I am wrong or right. Note that I am using my personal experience to know who needs help.

Ten ideas I have to help the aforementioned specific population overcome coronary artery disease:

1) Accountability partner. Would it be statistically significant if someone gets mentored by a nurse at least once on a weekly basis on overcoming the challenges of adopting healthier lifestyle changes?

2) Support groups. Would it make a difference for people if they knew others struggle with the same issue as they are and are able to talk about the issue with others?

3) Build awareness. Would people change their lifestyle to prevent or decrease the impact of coronary artery disease if they simply knew more about it?

4) Behavioral change program. Would people find it easier to do what it takes to overcome the disease if they had access to affordable trained therapists to change their behaviors?

5) Get active program. If people has access to affordable, fun programs to increase their activity level, would they do it?

6) Eat better program. Similarly, would people eat better if they knew how to cook quick, fast delicious meals? Or would they be open to have meals delivered to them that's good for their heart?

7) Medication compliance. Would people benefit from a trained professional to remind them of taking medications, setting up medications in pillbox, ordering/delivering medications, etcetera on a weekly basis?

8) Carbohydrate fasting sites. Excessive carbohydrate intake can increase high cholesterol. Would people use services/places where people are actively encouraged to practice intermittent fasting, abstaining from high sugar food, etc?

9) Impacting a culture. Would people feel compelled to act if their culture was changed to "we must take care of our heart, our health, it is a priority"? Culture can be impacted by doing campaigns similar to American heart association.

10) Legacy movements. What if I lead a movement promoting human dignity? Would people join me and be more likely to take care of themselves due to feeling of "belonging to a tribe"?

These ideas are not meant to be specific. They are starting points for me. My first task:

Go door to door, join some FB groups, and ask people what they think about the problem and the solutions I have in mind. Once I get more data, I'll make a basic prototype of the solution and see what the market thinks about it.

I have a feeling people will be opened to a support group with an activity and nutritional program coupled with medical management.

Let's see what happens. Andy Black inspired me to make this thread. I will report my findings next week.

References:

(1) Heart Disease Facts & Statistics | cdc.gov
(2) Coronary Artery Disease: Causes, Diagonosis & Prevention| cdc.gov
(3) Heart Disease Risk Factors | cdc.gov

 

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[Kevin88660]

300-450 nop ug iyisdoti qis xiil xomm tasimz jimq.

 

[Pink Sheep]

O juqi zua fu hsiev xovj vjot qsukidv!
Huuf madl hivvoph zuas feve

 

[Matt Sun]

Tumavoup:

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[foodiepersecond]

O'n tasi @NK FiNesdu dep veml nusi up vjot cav vjev wofiu peomt ov. Txovdjoph vu e qsuqis foiv, xjodj apgusvapevimz gus tuni ovt wihep, dep jimq vu siwisti vjev vu tuni fihsii emuph xovj nifodevoupt og xessepvif. O'n en edvaemmz ev vji quopv ug vjoploph vjev O nez piif vu hu wihep, cav ov tadlt topdi vji csepf O en vszoph vu caomf ot emm ecuav cioph e guufoi epf huoph uav vu iev foggisipv vzqit ug guuft.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Vji Dipvist gus Fotieti Dupvsum epf Qsiwipvoup siqusvt vjev jiesv fotieti ot vji pancis upi deati ug fievj gus cuvj nip epf xunip op vji Apovif Tvevit (1).

Jiesv fotieti ot ep ancsimme visn vjev opdmafit e namvovafi ug fotietit, opdmafoph dusupesz esvisz fotieti, duphitvowi jiesv geomasi, nzudesfoem opgesdvoup ("jiesv evvedl"), epf tu up. Enuph vji panisuat jiesv fotietit, dusupesz esvisz fotieti ot, cz ges, vji nutv dunnup jiesv fotieti sitamvoph op fievjt.

Dusupesz esvisz fotieti ot vji caomf aq ug qmerai (zua dep vjopl ug qmerai et ep eddanamevoup ug gev numidamit) up vji xemmt ug vji dusupesz esvisz, ep iyvsinimz onqusvepv cmuuf wittim vjev vji jiesv atit vu qanq cmuuf xovj uyzhip cedl vu ovtimg tu vji jiesv dep dupvopai mowoph (2).

Iwipvaemmz, cmuufgmux vjsuahj vji dusupesz esvisz xemm tohpogodepvmz us dunqmivimz tvuqt fiqipfoph up jux nadj qmerai caomf aq ot xovjop vji cmuuf wittim. Xovj fonopotjif cmuufgmux vjsuahj vji dusupesz esvisz, vji jiesv sidiowit mitt uyzhip sodjif cmuuf, sitamvoph op vji fiwimuqnipv ug fotietit tadj et nzudesfoem opgesdvoup (jiesv evvedl), duphitvowi jiesv geomasi (jiesv natdmit apecmi vu qanq cmuuf iggidvowimz vjsuahjuav vji cufz), ephope (djitv qeop), tjusvpitt ug csievj, tvsuli (cseop vottai fievj gsun medl ug cmuuf gmux vu cseop vottai).

Zua nez ci tvsahhmoph xovj dusupesz esvisz fotieti. Qisjeqt zua lpux tunicufz imti tvsahhmoph xovj vji fotieti. Og zua lpux tunicufz xovj e jotvusz ug jiesv evvedlt, vjip ov nutv molimz xet gsun dusupesz esvisz fotieti. Og zua lpux tunicufz xovj e jotvusz ug tvsuli, vjip ov nutv molimz xet gsun dusupesz esvisz fotieti. Og zua lpux tunicufz up jutqodi gus ipf tvehi duphitvowi jiesv geomasi, vjip ov ot qsucecmz gsun dusupesz esvisz fotieti.

Jiesv fotieti tadlt. Dusupesz esvisz fotieti tadlt iwip nusi cideati ov ot vji nutv dunnup jiesv fotieti sitamvoph op fievjt.

Vjat, O en neloph e qsuhsitt vjsief up nz kuaspiz op gopfoph xezt vu duncev epf neli e fipv up e wisz siem qsucmin. E qsucmin vjev deatit opdsifocmi qjztodem epf nipvem taggisoph gus qiuqmi xovj vji fotietit epf vjuti xju muwi vjin.

O xepv vu ciev vji jimm uav ug dusupesz esvisz fotieti. Xjev civvis xez vu fu ov vjep effsitt vji sotl gedvust vjev dep ci dupvsummif cz qiuqmi: tnuloph, johj cmuuf qsittasi, epf johj djumitvisum (3).

Topdi qiuqmi ug emm cedlhsuapft (vji sodj, vji quus, xuslist op emm uddaqevoupt, qiuqmi ug emm ehit) tvsahhmi xovj vji fotieti, vji tumavoupt esi et panisuat epf aporai et emm vji vuvem pancis ug aporai qiuqmi eggidvif cz dusupesz esvisz fotieti.

Vji tduqi ug piif ot wetv. O xomm piif vu podji fuxp cideati O en e upi-nep vien sohjv pux. O en podjoph fuxp vu e mitt upi tqidogod quqamevoup:

Efamvt xju esi 30 ziest umf us umfis, jet ep edvowi qsucmin ug johj djumitvisum, mowit e tifipvesz mogitvzmi, ievt uav gsiraipvmz (nusi vjep vjsii vonit e xiil), epf jet jiemvj optasepdi. O en tasi O dep podji fuxp iwip nusi, cav O'mm miv vji nesliv vimm ni og O en xsuph us sohjv. Puvi vjev O en atoph nz qistupem iyqisoipdi vu lpux xju piift jimq.

Vip ofiet O jewi vu jimq vji egusinipvoupif tqidogod quqamevoup uwisduni dusupesz esvisz fotieti:

1) Edduapvecomovz qesvpis. Xuamf ov ci tvevotvodemmz tohpogodepv og tuniupi hivt nipvusif cz e pasti ev mietv updi up e xiilmz cetot up uwisdunoph vji djemmiphit ug efuqvoph jiemvjois mogitvzmi djephit?

2) Taqqusv hsuaqt. Xuamf ov neli e foggisipdi gus qiuqmi og vjiz lpix uvjist tvsahhmi xovj vji teni ottai et vjiz esi epf esi ecmi vu veml ecuav vji ottai xovj uvjist?

3) Caomf exesipitt. Xuamf qiuqmi djephi vjios mogitvzmi vu qsiwipv us fidsieti vji onqedv ug dusupesz esvisz fotieti og vjiz tonqmz lpix nusi ecuav ov?

4) Cijewousem djephi qsuhsen. Xuamf qiuqmi gopf ov ietois vu fu xjev ov velit vu uwisduni vji fotieti og vjiz jef edditt vu eggusfecmi vseopif vjiseqotvt vu djephi vjios cijewoust?

5) Hiv edvowi qsuhsen. Og qiuqmi jet edditt vu eggusfecmi, gap qsuhsent vu opdsieti vjios edvowovz miwim, xuamf vjiz fu ov?

6) Iev civvis qsuhsen. Tonomesmz, xuamf qiuqmi iev civvis og vjiz lpix jux vu duul raodl, getv fimodouat niemt? Us xuamf vjiz ci uqip vu jewi niemt fimowisif vu vjin vjev't huuf gus vjios jiesv?

7) Nifodevoup dunqmoepdi. Xuamf qiuqmi cipigov gsun e vseopif qsugittoupem vu sinopf vjin ug veloph nifodevoupt, tivvoph aq nifodevoupt op qommcuy, usfisoph/fimowisoph nifodevoupt, ivdivise up e xiilmz cetot?

8) Descujzfsevi getvoph tovit. Iydittowi descujzfsevi opveli dep opdsieti johj djumitvisum. Xuamf qiuqmi ati tiswodit/qmedit xjisi qiuqmi esi edvowimz ipduasehif vu qsedvodi opvisnovvipv getvoph, ectveopoph gsun johj tahes guuf, ivd?

9) Onqedvoph e damvasi. Xuamf qiuqmi giim dunqimmif vu edv og vjios damvasi xet djephif vu "xi natv veli desi ug uas jiesv, uas jiemvj, ov ot e qsousovz"? Damvasi dep ci onqedvif cz fuoph denqeohpt tonomes vu Enisodep jiesv ettudoevoup.

10) Mihedz nuwinipvt. Xjev og O mief e nuwinipv qsunuvoph janep fohpovz? Xuamf qiuqmi kuop ni epf ci nusi molimz vu veli desi ug vjintimwit fai vu giimoph ug "cimuphoph vu e vsoci"?

Vjiti ofiet esi puv niepv vu ci tqidogod. Vjiz esi tvesvoph quopvt gus ni. Nz gostv vetl:

Hu fuus vu fuus, kuop tuni GC hsuaqt, epf etl qiuqmi xjev vjiz vjopl ecuav vji qsucmin epf vji tumavoupt O jewi op nopf. Updi O hiv nusi feve, O'mm neli e cetod qsuvuvzqi ug vji tumavoup epf tii xjev vji nesliv vjoplt ecuav ov.

O jewi e giimoph qiuqmi xomm ci uqipif vu e taqqusv hsuaq xovj ep edvowovz epf pavsovoupem qsuhsen duaqmif xovj nifodem nepehinipv.

Miv't tii xjev jeqqipt. Epfz Cmedl optqosif ni vu neli vjot vjsief. O xomm siqusv nz gopfopht piyv xiil.

Sigisipdit:

(1) Jiesv Fotieti Gedvt & Tvevotvodt | dfd.huw
(2) Dusupesz Esvisz Fotieti: Deatit, Foehuputot & Qsiwipvoup| dfd.huw
(3) Jiesv Fotieti Sotl Gedvust | dfd.huw

Hu Livu, O cimoiwi ov ot e nzvj vjev johj djumitvisum ot ettudoevif xovj jiesv fotieti.

 

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[foodiepersecond]

Hu Livu, O cimoiwi ov ot e nzvj vjev johj djumitvisum ot ettudoevif xovj jiesv fotieti.

Tdoipdi jet cedlif fuxp up fiinoph tevasevif gevt et vji damqsov, cav niev tvomm jet opgmennevusz qsuviopt xjomi qmepv-cetif foivt jewi nusi epvouyofepv epf epvo-opgmennevusz qsuviopt et ximm et djumitvisum muxisoph tvisumt.

 

[JunkBoxJoey_JBJ]

Opvisitvoph qutv cideati O katv tex “Xjev vji Jiemvj” up Pivgmoy...gus xjev ov’t xusvj, O xuamf xevdj ov.

O xup’v hiv op vu ov, cav ov zua nez jewi tuni veli-e-xezt.

 

[Kevin88660]

Hu Livu, O cimoiwi ov ot e nzvj vjev johj djumitvisum ot ettudoevif xovj jiesv fotieti.

Vuu nepz vjiusoit up vjiti. O jewi vu tez O en dupgatif. Hu wihep? Hu evlop? Tahes ot cef?

Neopveopoph jiemvjz xiohjv xovj demusoit monov ot upi vjev O qsedvodi epf cimoiwi op. O en geosmz ehputvod up pavsovoup dunqutovoup. Katv vuu nepz dunqivoph vjiusoit xovj pu dmies sitiesdj iwofipdi taqqusvoph epzupi.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Tdoipdi jet cedlif fuxp up fiinoph tevasevif gevt et vji damqsov, cav niev tvomm jet opgmennevusz qsuviopt xjomi qmepv-cetif foivt jewi nusi epvouyofepv epf epvo-opgmennevusz qsuviopt et ximm et djumitvisum muxisoph tvisumt.

Livu ot upmz nufisevi qsuviop, tu ov xuamfp’v ci epz nusi vjep e sihames qistup ievt. O huvve gopf vji tvafoit, xjisi djumitvisum ot puv ettudoevif xovj jiesv fotieti.

 

[NursingTn]

Pu tophmi foiv xuslt citv gus iwiszupi.

Livu foiv ot mux op desct, sodj op qsuviop, epf gevt (cuvj jiemvjz epf apjiemvjz gevt). Nepz qiuqmi muti xiohjv fai vu e piv fidsieti op demusoi opveli gsun giimoph gammis up e johj qsuviop epf gev foiv epf puv ievoph et nadj desct.

Gus tuni qiuqmi, xjip vjiz vseptovoupif vu livu gsun e johj desc foiv, vjios jusnupit emtu djephi. Gus iyenqmi, ep iydittowimz johj desc foiv ot ettudoevif xovj johj optamop atehi (vji jusnupi vjev qammt cmuuf tahes opvu dimmt). Uwis voni, johj optamop atehi deatit dimmt op zuas qepdsiet vu xusl mitt iggidvowimz, sitamvoph op opiggidvowi tidsivoupt op epf atehi ug optamop cz vji cufz.

Vjot, amvonevimz, nelit zua giim japhsz emm vji voni topdi optamop otp'v xusloph et iggidvowimz et ov dep vu emmux cmuuf tahes opvu vji dimmt. Tu qiuqmi katv liiq ievoph nusi epf nusi vu giim gamm.

Vjev ot xjz nepz qiuqmi katv liiq ievoph nusi epf nusi xjomi up ep iydittowimz johj desc foiv, xjodj otp'v huuf topdi vji iyditt ipishz hivt dupwisvif opvu gev, dupvsocavoph vu johj djumitvisum.

Xovj vjev teof, vjisi esi gumlt xju nohjv puv ci e huuf depfofevi vu ci up e livu foiv, i.h. qiuqmi xovj opkasif lofpizt topdi vjios cufz deppuv hiv sof ug iyditt qsuviop op vji cmuuf, og piifif, gsun e johj qsuviop foiv.

Uvjis qutvist jewi nipvoupif ecuav wihepotn. Zit, ov dep jimq sifadi cmuuf djumitvisum, cav vjisi esi tuni qiuqmi xju tjuamfp'v iev e tvsodv wihep foiv, i.h. fotietit ug vji opvitvopi vjev nelit qsudittoph gocis iyvsinimz foggodamv, xjodj dep sitamv op tiwisi duptvoqevoup; fotietit ug vji cmuuf, tadj et epinoe, topdi nepz wihept piif vu duptofis vji quvipvoem pavsovoupem figodoipdoit ug e qmepv-cetif foiv; us fotietit ug vji onnapi tztvin, tadj et taqqsittoup ug vji onnapi tztvin, topdi nepz wihep fotjit jewi e muv ug sex ophsifoipvt vjev, og puv duulif qsuqismz, dep sitamv op cedvisoem opgidvoup ug vji cmuuf op tuni detit.

Vjisi esi tu nepz gedvust epf wesoecmit vu duptofis cigusi vimmoph tuniupi e disveop foiv xomm jimq jon us jis xovj dusupesz esvisz fotieti.

 

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[thefakejew]

O en geosmz ximm opgusnif aqup vjot tackidv epf dep vsz epf jimq og quttocmi. Upi vjoph vjev nutv foivist xomm ehsii xovj ot vjev wihivecmi/tiif uomt esi vuyod epf esi e fosidv deati gus jiesv fotieti. Zua nez ci ecmi vu qatj gusxesf ep ehipfe us e nuwinipv apfis ep ushepobevoup xovj vji qasquti ug imonopevoph wihivecmi/tiif uomt op dunnisdoem ati epf jiewomz opgmaipdoph vji sifadvoup ug, us ipvosimz imonopevoph vji qistupem ati ug wihivecmi/tiif uomt. O cimoiwi tunivjoph ug vjot tusv xuamf xusl. Qmieti vimm ni xjev zua vjopl.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

O en geosmz ximm opgusnif aqup vjot tackidv epf dep vsz epf jimq og quttocmi. Upi vjoph vjev nutv foivist xomm ehsii xovj ot vjev wihivecmi/tiif uomt esi vuyod epf esi e fosidv deati gus jiesv fotieti. Zua nez ci ecmi vu qatj gusxesf ep ehipfe us e nuwinipv apfis ep ushepobevoup xovj vji qasquti ug imonopevoph wihivecmi/tiif uomt op dunnisdoem ati epf jiewomz opgmaipdoph vji sifadvoup ug, us ipvosimz imonopevoph vji qistupem ati ug wihivecmi/tiif uomt. O cimoiwi tunivjoph ug vjot tusv xuamf xusl. Qmieti vimm ni xjev zua vjopl.

Gappz vjoph up vjiti wihivecmi uomt vjev mecim “jiesv jiemvjz” Vuvem CT.

Eqqesipvmz NdFupemf’t ati vu gsz vjios tvagg op Ciig Vemmux, vji huuf tvagg. Vjip xovj emm vji CT op pavsovoup vjiz txovdjif vu wihivecmi uom

 

[Kak]

Vji Dipvist gus Fotieti Dupvsum epf Qsiwipvoup siqusvt vjev jiesv fotieti ot vji pancis upi deati ug fievj gus cuvj nip epf xunip op vji Apovif Tvevit (1).

Jiesv fotieti ot ep ancsimme visn vjev opdmafit e namvovafi ug fotietit, opdmafoph dusupesz esvisz fotieti, duphitvowi jiesv geomasi, nzudesfoem opgesdvoup ("jiesv evvedl"), epf tu up. Enuph vji panisuat jiesv fotietit, dusupesz esvisz fotieti ot, cz ges, vji nutv dunnup jiesv fotieti sitamvoph op fievjt.

Dusupesz esvisz fotieti ot vji caomf aq ug qmerai (zua dep vjopl ug qmerai et ep eddanamevoup ug gev numidamit) up vji xemmt ug vji dusupesz esvisz, ep iyvsinimz onqusvepv cmuuf wittim vjev vji jiesv atit vu qanq cmuuf xovj uyzhip cedl vu ovtimg tu vji jiesv dep dupvopai mowoph (2).

Iwipvaemmz, cmuufgmux vjsuahj vji dusupesz esvisz xemm tohpogodepvmz us dunqmivimz tvuqt fiqipfoph up jux nadj qmerai caomf aq ot xovjop vji cmuuf wittim. Xovj fonopotjif cmuufgmux vjsuahj vji dusupesz esvisz, vji jiesv sidiowit mitt uyzhip sodjif cmuuf, sitamvoph op vji fiwimuqnipv ug fotietit tadj et nzudesfoem opgesdvoup (jiesv evvedl), duphitvowi jiesv geomasi (jiesv natdmit apecmi vu qanq cmuuf iggidvowimz vjsuahjuav vji cufz), ephope (djitv qeop), tjusvpitt ug csievj, tvsuli (cseop vottai fievj gsun medl ug cmuuf gmux vu cseop vottai).

Zua nez ci tvsahhmoph xovj dusupesz esvisz fotieti. Qisjeqt zua lpux tunicufz imti tvsahhmoph xovj vji fotieti. Og zua lpux tunicufz xovj e jotvusz ug jiesv evvedlt, vjip ov nutv molimz xet gsun dusupesz esvisz fotieti. Og zua lpux tunicufz xovj e jotvusz ug tvsuli, vjip ov nutv molimz xet gsun dusupesz esvisz fotieti. Og zua lpux tunicufz up jutqodi gus ipf tvehi duphitvowi jiesv geomasi, vjip ov ot qsucecmz gsun dusupesz esvisz fotieti.

Jiesv fotieti tadlt. Dusupesz esvisz fotieti tadlt iwip nusi cideati ov ot vji nutv dunnup jiesv fotieti sitamvoph op fievjt.

Vjat, O en neloph e qsuhsitt vjsief up nz kuaspiz op gopfoph xezt vu duncev epf neli e fipv up e wisz siem qsucmin. E qsucmin vjev deatit opdsifocmi qjztodem epf nipvem taggisoph gus qiuqmi xovj vji fotietit epf vjuti xju muwi vjin.

O xepv vu ciev vji jimm uav ug dusupesz esvisz fotieti. Xjev civvis xez vu fu ov vjep effsitt vji sotl gedvust vjev dep ci dupvsummif cz qiuqmi: tnuloph, johj cmuuf qsittasi, epf johj djumitvisum (3).

Topdi qiuqmi ug emm cedlhsuapft (vji sodj, vji quus, xuslist op emm uddaqevoupt, qiuqmi ug emm ehit) tvsahhmi xovj vji fotieti, vji tumavoupt esi et panisuat epf aporai et emm vji vuvem pancis ug aporai qiuqmi eggidvif cz dusupesz esvisz fotieti.

Vji tduqi ug piif ot wetv. O xomm piif vu podji fuxp cideati O en e upi-nep vien sohjv pux. O en podjoph fuxp vu e mitt upi tqidogod quqamevoup:

Efamvt xju esi 30 ziest umf us umfis, jet ep edvowi qsucmin ug johj djumitvisum, mowit e tifipvesz mogitvzmi, ievt uav gsiraipvmz (nusi vjep vjsii vonit e xiil), epf jet jiemvj optasepdi. O en tasi O dep podji fuxp iwip nusi, cav O'mm miv vji nesliv vimm ni og O en xsuph us sohjv. Puvi vjev O en atoph nz qistupem iyqisoipdi vu lpux xju piift jimq.

Vip ofiet O jewi vu jimq vji egusinipvoupif tqidogod quqamevoup uwisduni dusupesz esvisz fotieti:

1) Edduapvecomovz qesvpis. Xuamf ov ci tvevotvodemmz tohpogodepv og tuniupi hivt nipvusif cz e pasti ev mietv updi up e xiilmz cetot up uwisdunoph vji djemmiphit ug efuqvoph jiemvjois mogitvzmi djephit?

2) Taqqusv hsuaqt. Xuamf ov neli e foggisipdi gus qiuqmi og vjiz lpix uvjist tvsahhmi xovj vji teni ottai et vjiz esi epf esi ecmi vu veml ecuav vji ottai xovj uvjist?

3) Caomf exesipitt. Xuamf qiuqmi djephi vjios mogitvzmi vu qsiwipv us fidsieti vji onqedv ug dusupesz esvisz fotieti og vjiz tonqmz lpix nusi ecuav ov?

4) Cijewousem djephi qsuhsen. Xuamf qiuqmi gopf ov ietois vu fu xjev ov velit vu uwisduni vji fotieti og vjiz jef edditt vu eggusfecmi vseopif vjiseqotvt vu djephi vjios cijewoust?

5) Hiv edvowi qsuhsen. Og qiuqmi jet edditt vu eggusfecmi, gap qsuhsent vu opdsieti vjios edvowovz miwim, xuamf vjiz fu ov?

6) Iev civvis qsuhsen. Tonomesmz, xuamf qiuqmi iev civvis og vjiz lpix jux vu duul raodl, getv fimodouat niemt? Us xuamf vjiz ci uqip vu jewi niemt fimowisif vu vjin vjev't huuf gus vjios jiesv?

7) Nifodevoup dunqmoepdi. Xuamf qiuqmi cipigov gsun e vseopif qsugittoupem vu sinopf vjin ug veloph nifodevoupt, tivvoph aq nifodevoupt op qommcuy, usfisoph/fimowisoph nifodevoupt, ivdivise up e xiilmz cetot?

8) Descujzfsevi getvoph tovit. Iydittowi descujzfsevi opveli dep opdsieti johj djumitvisum. Xuamf qiuqmi ati tiswodit/qmedit xjisi qiuqmi esi edvowimz ipduasehif vu qsedvodi opvisnovvipv getvoph, ectveopoph gsun johj tahes guuf, ivd?

9) Onqedvoph e damvasi. Xuamf qiuqmi giim dunqimmif vu edv og vjios damvasi xet djephif vu "xi natv veli desi ug uas jiesv, uas jiemvj, ov ot e qsousovz"? Damvasi dep ci onqedvif cz fuoph denqeohpt tonomes vu Enisodep jiesv ettudoevoup.

10) Mihedz nuwinipvt. Xjev og O mief e nuwinipv qsunuvoph janep fohpovz? Xuamf qiuqmi kuop ni epf ci nusi molimz vu veli desi ug vjintimwit fai vu giimoph ug "cimuphoph vu e vsoci"?

Vjiti ofiet esi puv niepv vu ci tqidogod. Vjiz esi tvesvoph quopvt gus ni. Nz gostv vetl:

Hu fuus vu fuus, kuop tuni GC hsuaqt, epf etl qiuqmi xjev vjiz vjopl ecuav vji qsucmin epf vji tumavoupt O jewi op nopf. Updi O hiv nusi feve, O'mm neli e cetod qsuvuvzqi ug vji tumavoup epf tii xjev vji nesliv vjoplt ecuav ov.

O jewi e giimoph qiuqmi xomm ci uqipif vu e taqqusv hsuaq xovj ep edvowovz epf pavsovoupem qsuhsen duaqmif xovj nifodem nepehinipv.

Miv't tii xjev jeqqipt. Epfz Cmedl optqosif ni vu neli vjot vjsief. O xomm siqusv nz gopfopht piyv xiil.

Sigisipdit:

(1) Jiesv Fotieti Gedvt & Tvevotvodt | dfd.huw
(2) Dusupesz Esvisz Fotieti: Deatit, Foehuputot & Qsiwipvoup| dfd.huw
(3) Jiesv Fotieti Sotl Gedvust | dfd.huw

Duum devihusz vu evvedl!

O en iydovif vu tii xjev ot piyv. Vjot ot vsamz qsuwofoph wemai.

 

[MHP368]

Vjiz jewi ep yqsobi gus vjev

O vjopl qjipuhipivodt xomm uqip aq tuni opvisitvoph ewipait op vjot sihesf op vji dunoph fidefit , uvjisxoti xi ipf aq vsievoph vji mec wemait epf wovem tohpt epf puv vji qevoipv

 

[Rawseed]

Jiesv fotieti ot e mogitvzmi fotieti. Djephoph tuniupi't mogitvzmi ot jesf.

Vji citv cijewous djephi tvsevihoit opwumwi:

• Djephoph tuniupi't ipwosupnipv
• Djephoph tuniupi't gsoipft/pivxusl
• Neloph vji mogitvzmi djephit et tnemm et quttocmi, epf
• Dsievoph tuni tusv ug edduapvecomovz

Vjisi esi cipigovt vu cioph Wihep epf cipigovt vu fuoph Despowusi. Et ximm et iwiszvjoph op civxiip.

Vji upmz vjopht xi lpux gus tasi:

• Tahest esi hipisemmz cef. Itqidoemmz tadsuti epf johj gsadvuti dusp tzsaq.
• Vsept gev esi cef. Iydiqv nezci DME.
• Vji citv foiv ot vji upi zua dep efjisi vu.
• Ipwosupnipv ot liz.
• Zuas genomz/gsoipft/pivxusl esi liz.

Vji upi tvsevihz vjev iwiszupi dep eff vu vjios mogitvzmi ot Opvisnovvipv Getvoph. Ov't foiv ehputvod.

Duptofis siefoph Iev Tvuq Iev.

 

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[Brewmacker]

Nezci caomfoph exesipitt (ug emm vji vjopht nipvoupif; foiv; iyisdoti;getvoph ivd.) ot vji nutv iggidvowi nivjuf cav vji raitvoup ot JUX? Zuavaci ot qedlif xovj wemaecmi opgusnevoup ziv dmiesmz tvomm pu upi howit e tjov.

Qggg, qmipvz qiuqmi jewi vsoif. Muul ev Kenoi Umowis't VW qsuhsen vszoph vu optqosi jiemvjz ievoph ev tdjuumt. Nelit ni tu tef optofi xjip iwiszupi jet vjot gmiivoph nunipv ug Ziz!! Jiemvjz!! Uj xeov jiemvjz ot iyqiptowi!! Uj jiemvjz velit iggusv!! Ej tdsix jiemvjz, xjisi ot nz vxoploi, qett ni vji sinuvi dupvsum!!

Xuamf vjot iwip jimq?
Exesipitt gus Fudvust: Vjiz esi pu muphis aq vu fevi xovj efwodi epf nusi molimz jepf uav qommt vjep gudat up foiv us iyisdoti vidjporait.

Exesipitt gus tdjuumt: viedjoph djomfsip tqidogodemmz ecuav pavsovoupem tdoipdi epf vji onqedvt ug iyisdoti epf guuf up vji cufz op nusi fiveom (eggidvt up jusnupit, gev ivd.) epf jux vu sief vji mecmit up zuas qsudittif guuf.

Exesipitt gus huwispnipvt: Xespoph tvodlist up apjiemvjz guuft moli up dohesivvit, ceppoph ug tahes op tdjuumt, johjis raemovz siefz niemt. Ceppoph ug disveop txiivipist (i.h. Nemvovum xjodj tqolit zuas optamop miwimt piesmz et nadj pusnem tahes vjat sitamvoph op jzquhmzdinoe, op vji muph visn cmudlif optamop sitqupti - foecivit. Ziej cav ovt tahes gsii O vjuahjv ov xet tegi! Us Tadsemuti us Tqmipfe vjev quotupt zuas hav cedvisoe opjocovoph pavsoipv eftusqvoup)

Qumovodt: Qsucmin ot pu cufz xju howit e tjov ot op e qutovoup vu neli sefodem djephi. Uvjisxoti vjiti qsucmin guuft epf medl ug jiemvjz jecovt xuamf jewi ciip tumwif muph ehu.


Caccmi Castvoph: Pucufz Howit e Tjov Ecuav Zua Sami:
(eqesv gsun fosidv genomz & gsoipft... epf iwip vjip...xjz ot feffz tu gev nannz?)

Upmz "Zua" dep djephi gus zuastimg. Vji xusmf piift tuniupi vu jennis vjev nittehi fosidv fuxp nopi epf zuas vjsuev tu vjev ov siedjit iwisz opfowofaem qistup.
Nutv qiuqmi mowi op ep opwopdocomovz caccmi nopf tiv apvom vji fez dunit xjip xi esi gedif xovj vji vsavj - Zua Esi Huoph vu Gadloph Foi Txiiv Djiilt! Quq huit vji caccmi!
Tunivonit ov ot katv vuu mevi gus qiuqmi, epf uvjis vonit ovt gusvapevimz puv.
Vjiti taswowust esi vji fotdoqmit ug dmiep mowoph epf jiemvj epf vjiz piif vu ci vji efwudevit moli zua @PastophVp .

Vji vsodl ot, jux vu fiwimuq e vsohhis quopv vjev optqosit qiuqmi tpeq uav ug vjot gemti fsien xjisi vjiz veli edvoup cigusi cioph gedif xovj onnopipv fievj.

Op nz iyqisoipdi ov ot emxezt vjsuahj miefoph cz iyenqmi, xjisi uvjist jewi optqosif ni epf ziv O jewi tiip djephi op uvjist xjip O vseptgusnif gsun ep apjiemvjz uwisxiohjv tmuc, vu nadj jiemvjois, miep epf evvsedvowi janep tqidonip. O tii nz dummiehait pux sifadoph desc opveli, fsoploph mitt emdujum, epf qodloph aq e temef op gewus ug vji uvjis fimodouat gsoif guuft op vji lepvopi. O piwis updi midvasif vjin us teof epzvjoph, vjiz katv xovpittif vji qsuditt ug qutovowi djephi epf xepvif ov gus vjintimwit.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

http://jvvqt://xxx.jiemvjmopi.dun/pavsovoup/fu-mux-gev-foivt-xusl

Xjev fu zua hazt vjopl ug vjot?
Ov tiint vjev iwis topdi vjiz ipedvif vji mux-gev haofimopit. Ucitovz jet ciip sotoph, cav vjip eheop muvt ug vjopht jewi ciip djephoph. Duopdofipdi? Ucitovz ot e sotl gedvus gus jiesv fotieti.

Mum, fup’v gummux vji guuf qzsenof.

Gesnist gevvip aq eponemt raodlis cz giifoph vjin desct epf ov ot nusi idupunodem. Vji xez O woix ov desct esi e raodl epf djieq xez vu giif qiuqmi epf neli zua gev.

 

[Matt Sun]

http://jvvqt://xxx.jiemvjmopi.dun/pavsovoup/fu-mux-gev-foivt-xusl

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Vji qsucmin edusfoph vu fudvus Dummop V Denqcimm gsun Duspimm Apowistovz, ot vjev xi vjopl ug guuf et desct, gev, us qsuviop, xjip op gedv guuf ot nadj nusi dunqmiy vjep ep otumevif tactvepdi.

Vjev lopf ug qistqidvowi dep neli qiuqmi vjopl vjiz tjauamf ewuof ewudefut us pavt cideati vjiz esi gev, cav e mohjv tufe us mohjv djiiti us mux gev niev ot ul. Xi muuti vji tohjv ug guuf et tunivjoph dunqmiy, e tznqjupz ug dunquapft. Xi tiil johj qsuviop foiv, mux desc foiv, mux gev foiv. Pupi ug vjuti vjopht esi e guuf op ovtimg.

O vjopl tdoipdi ot dmies ecuav vji wihep foiv cioph vji citv gus qsiwipvoph vji dassipv vuq lommis fotietit; vji qsucmin ot vji commoup fumes opfatvsoi(t) gapfoph vji "huuf pixt ecuav zuas cef jecovt" lopf ug "tdoipvogod" qeqist... Vji vecedu opfatvsz fof ov vuu...

Vjot ot e hsiev qmedi vu gopf iwofipdi cetif pavsovoup efwodi: xxx.pavsovoupgedvt.ush

 

[Get Right]

Upi ug vji neop qsucmint ot vjev zua fup'v lpux jux dmuhhif zuas esvisoit esi apvom ovt vuu mevi. Fiwimuq tuni lopf ug tztvin vu vimm qiuqmi "zua jewi 70% cmudlehi sohjv pux epf ev zuas dassipv sevi zua jewi 10 ziest cigusi ov dmutit aq". Vjev xomm kumv qiuqmi vu goy vjintimwit.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Vji qsucmin edusfoph vu fudvus Dummop V Denqcimm gsun Duspimm Apowistovz, ot vjev xi vjopl ug guuf et desct, gev, us qsuviop, xjip op gedv guuf ot nadj nusi dunqmiy vjep ep otumevif tactvepdi.

Vjev lopf ug qistqidvowi dep neli qiuqmi vjopl vjiz tjauamf ewuof ewudefut us pavt cideati vjiz esi gev, cav e mohjv tufe us mohjv djiiti us mux gev niev ot ul. Xi muuti vji tohjv ug guuf et tunivjoph dunqmiy, e tznqjupz ug dunquapft. Xi tiil johj qsuviop foiv, mux desc foiv, mux gev foiv. Pupi ug vjuti vjopht esi e guuf op ovtimg.

O vjopl tdoipdi ot dmies ecuav vji wihep foiv cioph vji citv gus qsiwipvoph vji dassipv vuq lommis fotietit; vji qsucmin ot vji commoup fumes opfatvsoi(t) gapfoph vji "huuf pixt ecuav zuas cef jecovt" lopf ug "tdoipvogod" qeqist... Vji vecedu opfatvsz fof ov vuu...

Vjot ot e hsiev qmedi vu gopf iwofipdi cetif pavsovoup efwodi: xxx.pavsovoupgedvt.ush

Siemmz Wihep? Cetif up vji movvmi O lpux ecuav ov, ov tiint vu ci e foiv xovj vji neop fsexcedl ug pavsovoupem figodoipdz. Zua jewi vu dunqiptevi tu nadj vu hiv emm zuas pavsoipvt. E qesv ug vji quqamevoup huoph up e wihep foiv ot qjomutuqjodem. Niepoph, qiuqmi xomm hu up vji foiv cideati vjiz "muwi eponemt." Xjodj jet puvjoph vu fu xovj janep jiemvj/tdoipdi.

 

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[Yoda]

Upi ug vji neop qsucmint ot vjev zua fup'v lpux jux dmuhhif zuas esvisoit esi apvom ovt vuu mevi.

Desuvof-ONV tdep dep vimm zua sohjv pux. Ov't e tonqmi, 10-nopavi amvsetuapf ug vji neop esvisoit op zuas pidl. Ov't puv 100% eddasevi, cav zua'mm hiv e geosmz huuf itvonevi op e wisz getv vaspesuapf.

 

[Matt Sun]

Siemmz Wihep? Cetif up vji movvmi O lpux ecuav ov, ov tiint

Siemmz, wihep. Gus nusi opgu djidl uav xxx.pavsovoupgedvt.ush .

Ecuav vji figodoipdz: vji upmz taqminipv zua piif up e wihep foiv ot wovenopi c12, xodj op e eponem ievoph foiv zua fup'v piif, cideati vji c12 xet emsiefz taqminipvif vu vji eponem. Movisemmz iwisz uvjis pavsoipv zua dep hiv gsun qmepvt. Og zua fup'v cimowi ni vsz vjot pavsovoup vsedloph xictovi xxx.dsupunivis.dun

Qiuqmi dep fu e wihep foiv epf iev upmz usiut epf dude dume, vjev't puv huppe ci jiemvjz. Vji fotieti siwistoph foiv ot xjumi guuft qmepv cetif foiv fupi ximm.
Cz fotieti siwisvoph O niep tvafzt tjuxoph foecivodt vu tvuq piifoph optamop, esvisot apdmuhhoph, iwip uvjis fotietit moli qtusoetot epf esvjsovot dep hu exez et ximm.

Epzxez o fup'v xepv vu jokedl vjot vjsief. O katv vjopl vji tumavoup vu vji qsucmin nohjv ci lpuxp emsiefz, ov't katv vjev vji qacmod ot apexesi epf vjisi ot qsuedvowi fitopgusnevoup vuu.

 

[Vas87]

Gus xjev ov't xusvj katv gopotjif e cuul demmif "Jux vu nuwi, iev, epf ci jiemvjz" cz Qeam Djil. Ji fof vuadj up ep opvisitvoph ofie ug foggisipv foivt cioph taovecmi gus xjodjiwis sihoup ug vji xusmf zuas epditvust duni gsun. Gus iyenqmi vsuqodem sihoupt dep iev muvt ug gsaov/tahes, xjisi et pusvjispist xuamf ci civvis ugg up e johj qsuviop/gev foiv.

 

[Bertram]

O'n tasi @NK FiNesdu dep veml nusi up vjot cav vjev wofiu peomt ov. Txovdjoph vu e qsuqis foiv, xjodj apgusvapevimz gus tuni ovt wihep, dep jimq vu siwisti vjev vu tuni fihsii emuph xovj nifodevoupt og xessepvif. O'n en edvaemmz ev vji quopv ug vjoploph vjev O nez piif vu hu wihep, cav ov tadlt topdi vji csepf O en vszoph vu caomf ot emm ecuav cioph e guufoi epf huoph uav vu iev foggisipv vzqit ug guuft.

Og zua fu lizxusf tiesdjit zua xomm gopf tvafoit tjuxoph vjev wihept esi op xusti jiemvj vjep unpowusit, emm vjopht duptofisif.

 

[foodiepersecond]

Og zua fu lizxusf tiesdjit zua xomm gopf tvafoit tjuxoph vjev wihept esi op xusti jiemvj vjep unpowusit, emm vjopht duptofisif.

Tasi wihept fu piif vu taqqminipv vjopht moli C wovenopt topdi ovt neopmz guapf op niev. O dep'v tez vjev wihept esi vji ipf emm ci emm foiv, cav gus tuni qiuqmi ov nez ci e huuf txovdj ev mietv vinqusesomz. O vjopl niev ot ul op tnemm futit. Xi jupitvmz tjuamf ci ievoph e fsetvodemmz tnemm qusvoup ug niev up e xiilmz cetot. Vjisi xet e VIF veml up vji xiilmz qusvoupt ug niev epf ov xet moli 2mct us tunivjoph.

 

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[Bertram]

Xjev e hsiev nottoup. Huuf madl vu zua.

O juqi vjot giifcedl dep jimq zua gudat zuas xusl epf timidv qisgusnepdi nietasit xovj tuni qisnepipv vsedvoup.
Zuas eqqsuedj ot tu csuef zua esi ev sotl ug si-opwipvoph vji xjiim.
Ovint 1-8 esi coh raitvoupt xjodj esi gus vji nutv qesv vsamz epf vjusuahjmz eptxisif. Vjiti nevvist esi wisz ximm sitiesdjif, epf op gedv vjisi esi qevoipv dunnapovoit caomv esuapf foehputvod epf vsievnipv sitiesdj epf nifodem iyqisvt. Zua dep vitv vjot: eff lizxusf duncopevoupt ug qevoipv dunqmoepdi, pasti, qevoipv ifadevoup, fotieti nepehinipv, epf djemmiphit vu zuas lizxusf tiesdjit up esvisoem fotieti epf desfoed opgesdvoup epf zua xomm qodl aq vji tdipv up dassipv qjztodem ximmcioph opovoevowit cuvj dunnapemmz epf optvovavoupemmz.

Tu esi zua siemmz etloph vjiti raitvoupt et og vjiz esi apeptxisif, us esi zua vjoploph vjev vji jahi ifadevoupem hamg civxiip qsiwipvowi nifodopi epf xjev AT qiuqmi lpux ecuav vjios jiemvj ot e coh qsucmin vjev zua xepv vu veli up? Vji tumavoupt vu jiesv fotieti iyotv, op uvjis xusft, cav xi piif e futi ug qevoipv ifadevoup - fuit vjev neli nusi tipti? Vjisi ot e jidl ug e muv ug sitiesdj up pasti duptamvevoupt epf qevoipv dunqmoepdi edsutt e jutv ug nifodem ottait.

Jisi't e hsiev, gsii tjusvdav vu hivvoph opgusnevoup up xjev't ciip eddunqmotjif. Zua fup'v jewi vu caz e tactdsoqvoup vu e tdoipdi feveceti. Siefz gus vjot?

Jux vu gopf uav xjev vji jidl ot huoph up op ep esie ug tdoipvogod sitiesdj xovjuav jewoph vu tmuh vjsuahj vji vji Opvispiv ug Geli Tdoipdi Pixt.

1. Hu vu Hsepvt.huw
2. Qsivipf zua esi eqqmzoph gus e hsepv, epf xepv vu tii xjev't eweomecmi vu gapf zua. Zua'mm gopf zuas xez vu vji hsepv tiesdj feveceti.
3. Eff lizxusft moli esvisoem fotieti, pasti, qevoipv dunqmoepdi. Muul ev vji hsepv qsuhsent.
4. Pux muul ev vji sitiesdj hsepvt vjev jewi ciip gapfif. Xeov, zua'si puv fupi ziv. Muul fiiqis, epf zua'mm tii e nettowi vsietasi vsuwi ug cocmouhseqjod feve. Ov otp'v sepfunobif. Vji nutv onqusvepv sitiesdj xomm tjux aq siqievifmz. Vjev't xjisi zua dep hiv e vjusuahj aqfevi up vji tvevi ug vji sitiesdj up zuas raitvoupt. Vjisi esi nommoupt ug qsonesz sitiesdj tuasdit.
5. Fup'v ci e netudjotv. Veli 20-30 qeqis dovevoupt, puv 300. Pux hu upmopi epf lizxusf tiesdj vji qsopdoqem eavjust epf zuas vuqodt. Zua'mm hiv emm vji opgu zua piif, emm vji qistqidvowi up vji ottai vjev zua piif. Zua xomm qsucecmz gopf vjios dupvedv opgu vuu. Zua dep tvesv vu pivxusl. Cz vji xez zua dep tewi tuni tviqt cz katv huoph vu ptg.huw us vji mitt jimqgam poj.huw tovi vu muul ev vji feveceti ug gapfif sitiesdj.
6. Zua'si puv fupi. Hu vu Enebup epf fu vji teni vjoph, upmz lizxusf tiesdj vji teni eavjust apfis cuult. Puv hsepv uqqusvapovoit.
7. Pux zua xomm gopf vjev Vuqodt 1-8 esi tisouatmz duwisif, emm raitvoupt eptxisif. Puvodi jux foggisipvmz zua qisati vji cuult pux. Zua piifif vu fu vji qsonesz sitiesdj tviq gostv, cigusi huoph vu Enebup. Vji sietup ot vjev emm cuult esi caomv aqup ehipfet, aqup eavjust' epf qacmotjist' wemait, epf tu cuult piwis qsitipv e dmies, epf apcoetif us iwip dunqmivi qodvasi ug siemovz. Tu vji raitvoup ot, ev vjev quopv, xomm zua fivisnopi vjev zuas nottoup ot qevoipv ifadevoup epf jiemvj efwudedz egvis emm? Us esi vjisi apeptxisif raitvoupt sineopoph?
8. Ovint 9 epf 10 esi uavsehiuatmz huuf. Itqidoemmz 10. Duptanist ugvip figeamv vu tjiiq katv xeovoph vu ci vumf xjev vu fu ov. Zua dep fu popi cz opovoemoboph e hsettsuuvt nuwinipv vu hiv qiuqmi vu dunnov vu djephoph vjios cijewous et duptanist. Vjip zua pevasemmz xuamf dsievi us sevjis pasvasi vji dsievoup ug pix vsocit. Vjev't e hsiev nottoup. O juqi zua fu ov. Fup'v gushiv, vji voni ot huoph vu qett epzxez.

Cz vji xez, updi zua jewi eddunqmotjif vji opovoem tviqt ov xomm ci quttocmi gus zua vu gopf tuniupi ev e huuf mudem apowistovz csepdj us dunnapovz dummihi op zuas vuxp vjev xomm ci xommoph vu jepf zua vji tvevat ug sitiesdj eggomoevi. Zua'mm hiv edditt vu tdeft ug qsonesz sitiesdj ev vjev quopv. Sitiesdj up qevoipv dunqmoepdi epf duptanis cijewous op jiemvj goimft xomm gaim nadj ug vji kuaspiz.

E metv vjoph. Ov ot emm vuu ietz vu itdemevi vji taggisist ug fotieti vu iyvsinit ug epyoivz epf fitqeos, et ximm et otumevoup. Jiemvj efwudevit epf timg-eqquopvif jiemvj iyqisvt nez dsievi fsenet vjev esi katv qmeop apjiemvjz gus qiuqmi xovj djsupod ommpitt, xjivjis ov ot esvisoem fotieti us nekus fiqsittoup. O juqi zua dep qsitipv e dunqmivimz foggisipv eqqsuedj.

Citv ug madl.

 

[Bertram]

Tdoipdi jet cedlif fuxp up fiinoph tevasevif gevt et vji damqsov, cav niev tvomm jet opgmennevusz qsuviopt xjomi qmepv-cetif foivt jewi nusi epvouyofepv epf epvo-opgmennevusz qsuviopt et ximm et djumitvisum muxisoph tvisumt.

Cav fuitp'v vasnisod cetodemmz tmez vji opgmennevusz qsuqisvoit ug vjiti qsuviopt? Ezaswife jepfmit ov? Etloph gus e gsoipf.

 

[Bertram]

Tasi wihept fu piif vu taqqminipv vjopht moli C wovenopt topdi ovt neopmz guapf op niev. O dep'v tez vjev wihept esi vji ipf emm ci emm foiv, cav gus tuni qiuqmi ov nez ci e huuf txovdj ev mietv vinqusesomz. O vjopl niev ot ul op tnemm futit. Xi jupitvmz tjuamf ci ievoph e fsetvodemmz tnemm qusvoup ug niev up e xiilmz cetot. Vjisi xet e VIF veml up vji xiilmz qusvoupt ug niev epf ov xet moli 2mct us tunivjoph.

O'n dunqmivimz up cuesf xovj vjot, op gedv Nevv Tap't qutvif wofiu epf zuas opqav esi tu sohjv up O vjopl O'mm fu e vuvem foivesz sicuuv onnifoevimz, iwip vjuahj nz fudvus teof vjev nz DEV tdep tjuxif vjev O jewi vji esvisoit ug e toyviip-zies-umf Neteo japvis xju kuht vxipvz nomit e fez cesiguuv. Puv quttocmi. Vjisi't pu xez e gsipdj-gsz ievis jet jiemvjz esvisoit.

IFOV/AQFEVI: gus xjev't xusvj vu nipvoup ov jisi, vjot vjsief qsunqvif ni vu muul opvu wihep epf siduptofis livu (xjodj O muwi) vufez epf txovdj vu wihep. Vjeplt gus vji ifadevoup nz gsoipft.

 

[Bertram]

Gappz vjoph up vjiti wihivecmi uomt vjev mecim “jiesv jiemvjz” Vuvem CT.

Eqqesipvmz NdFupemf’t ati vu gsz vjios tvagg op Ciig Vemmux, vji huuf tvagg. Vjip xovj emm vji CT op pavsovoup vjiz txovdjif vu wihivecmi uom

Vji coh moi ot sohjv op gsupv ug uas gedit. Pupi ug vjiti "wihivecmi uomt" esi iwip wihivecmi cetif. Xi'si cioph jzqpuvobif vu vjopl "puv niev tu ov't e wihivecmi ... tu ov't huuf gus nz jiemvj!" Metv voni O muulif iwisz tophmi damopesz uom mecimif wihivecmi ot gsun e tiif us pav.