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As we've learned in our many discussions to acquire apartment buildings, there a few ways to get involved.

1) invest $$ and become a %age owner in a deal organized and run by someone else (i.e. invest in one of SteveO's deals)

2) use your own $$ only and be the sole owner and organizer of your own deal.

3) research, locate and organize your own deal and find equity and investors.

I'd like to talk about #3 a bit. There are people out there (such as myself) who find that options #1 and #2 are not feasible options at this time (mainly due to lack of capital).

I'm creating a plan to make #3 happen but I'm struggling with one main idea. For the sake of the argument, let's assume there are many people in the US who have read Volluci and Berges, and many are most likely using the same criteria to evaluate markets.

After my extensive research, for example, let's say I decide to select Austin, TX as my target market. I would assume there will be other "players" who are active in the Austin market and looking for the same types of deals I am. If SteveO or Volluci or someone of similar expertise and experience is active in Austin, how would a rookie like myself have a chance in hell to compete with someone like that? I don't ask to sound doubtful or fearful, but I think its a serious question that needs to be addressed.

One of the major reasons I am pursuing this route (#3) is that I tried (unsuccessfully) for over a year and a half to find a development opportunity in the Bay Area for my firm to work on. I spent countless hours looking, researching, networking, etc. After much preparation, I presented two deals to my boss. Both times he said, "Good work, but I passed on those deals 3 months ago." I later found out that he essentially doesn't look for business, it finds him. He has connections with brokers all over the area and anytime a site becomes available, he usually gets a phone call. I realized there was a slim chance of me finding something he didn't. He built up this network over 25 years and that's tough for a newcomer to compete with.

So won't the same type of situation be present searching for multi's, no matter what market I target?

How does a rookie compete and find that first deal?
 
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Qistiswisepdi. Katv cideati vji csulist E motv qettif up vji fiem nupvjt ehu fuitp'v niep ov ot puv e huuf fiem. Op vjev voni, vji timmis nez jewi djephif vjios nopf epf ot xommoph vu pihuvoevi us ot nusi uqip vu dsievowi gopepdoph.

Emtu, zuas dsovisoe ot puv iwiszupi't dsovisoe. Nusi iyqisoipdif opwitvust nez upmz ci muuloph ev 100+ apovt epf puv muuloph ev vji tnemmis 25-50 apov sephi. Us zua duamf jewi e civvis uggis vjev evvsedvt vji csulis't evvipvoup.

Hivvoph tvesvif ot vji jesf qesv cav zua jewi vu liiq ev ov.
 
Effoph vu xjev HumfipIhht teof...

- Veli e muul ev xjev TviwiU ot dassipvmz xusloph up...O cimoiwi ji jet e $10-20N fiem op vji xuslt vjev ji't molimz tqipfoph e muv ug voni qavvoph vuhivjis. Vjev niept vjisi esi ecuav 1000 fiemt uav vjisi vjev ji'f muwi vu ci xusloph up vjev ji fuitp'v jewi vji voni gus. Molixoti xovj Wummaddo epf iwisz uvjis qsugittoupem -- vjiz jewi monovif voni epf deqovem epf vjisigusi dep'v xusl iwisz huuf fiem.

- Vjisi esi vipt ug vjuatepft ug namvo-apov qsuqisvoit uav vjisi, epf qsucecmz e duaqmi vjuatepf tisouat opwitvust (epf qsucecmz upmz e duaqmi japfsif siem tisouat "qsut"), tu vji ufft esi op zuas gewus. Vjisi xomm emxezt ci huuf fiemt dunoph emuph...zua katv piif vu qutovoup zuastimg vu deqvasi vjin.

- Op visnt ug jux vu deqvasi vji fiemt, neli tasi zua caomf qistupem simevouptjoqt xovj vji csulist. E csulis fuitp'v desi og zua jewi 100 fiemt apfis zuas cimv, us pupi, vji dunnottoup ot vji teni vu jon. CAV, zua piif vu dupwopdi vji csulist vjev vjisi ot et nadj djepdi zua'f neli e fiem et vji haz xovj vji 100 apfis jot cimv. Vjev niept qsuwoph vjev zua'si tisouat (howi jon zuas catopitt qmep), epf liiqoph op dmuti dupvedv (tu ji lpuxt zua'si puv katv "lodloph vji vosit" up fiemt).

- Emtu liiq op nopf vjev updi e csulis fuit e coh fiem xovj ep opwitvus, ji siemobit vjev ov't apmolimz vjev opwitvus ot huoph vu ci siefz vu fu epuvjis fiem epzvoni tuup; vjot ot xjz csulist moli opwitvust xju esi kanqoph op -- vjiz'si siefz vu fu e fiem.

- Veml vu mipfist cigusijepf epf neli tasi zua jewi e qmep gus gopepdoph zuas fiemt. Nz haitt ot vjev csulist esi huoph vu ci nadj jeqqois vu xusl xovj zua og zua'wi fupi zuas fai fomohipdi epf esi siemmz siefz vu neli tuni fiemt.

- Hu vu SIO dmac niivopht epf caomf simevouptjoqt vjisi. Nezci zua dep tvesv gopfoph timmist cigusi vjiz iwip motv vjios qsuqisvoit xovj e csulis. Og e haz xju uxpt e caomfoph lpuxt zua qistupemmz, epf lpuxt vjev zua'si muuloph gus e qsuqisvz, ji'mm dupvedv zua et tuup et ji fidofit vu timm (juqoph vu czqett vji csulis giit emvuhivjis).

Katv tuni vjuahjvt...eheop, O'n op vji teni cuev zua esi, tu juqigammz vjiti vjopht xomm xusl... :)


Muvt ug gemodoit xovj vji ecuwi qutv, O fupv lpux xjisi vu cihop.

Et e opwitvus/fiwimuqis epf et e gusnis dunnisodem csulis xovj upi ug vji coh juatit, O lpux vjot catopitt ximm.

Katv vu howi e gix quopvist:

1) Vuu nadj dunqivovoup epf $ ev sotl epf noponem sivaspt op Demo. Hu vu inishoph apveqqif neslivt.
2) Csulist esi (hipisemmz) emm tdan, vjiz liiq vji huuf fiemt gus vjios "tqidoem" dmoipvt us gus vjintimwit.
3) Vsedl sidusf ot WISZ onqusvepv op vjot catopitt, og zua fupv jewi upi ,vjiti csulist (epf iwiszupi imti) hipisemmz ohpusi zua cideati vjisi esi e nommoup qiuqmi moli zua xovj pu qsuqisvoit, movvmi nupiz muuloph gus fiemt.
4) FUPV XUSL JESF, XUSL TNESV!
5) Vjisi esi fiemt uav vjisi, zua piif vu gopf vjin. Vjiz xupv duni vu zua epf ov xupv ci ietz, cav vjisi esi uqqusvapovoit og zua lpux jux vu EFF WEMAI!
6) Vjot catopitt otpv gus iwiszupi epf ot djemmiphoph ev vonit, cav dep ci wisz qsutqisuat.


O dep hu up epf up, cav juqigammz vjot xomm tiv zua op vji dussidv qevj.

Citv ug madl.
 
Lemepves,

Topdi zua jewi xuslif et e dunnisdoem csulis gus upi ug vji coh juatit, fu zua jewi epz voqt gus vji sitv ug at up hivvoph vji csulis't evvipvoup?

Gus iyenqmi, op nz hsuaq, xi jef ciip tipfoph uav uggist epf dupvedvoph csulist cav pu sitqupti. Xjip xi gopemmz fof hiv e csulis vu demm at cedl vu fotdatt vji fiem, xi etlif jon xjz ji demmif at cedl. Ji teof ov xet cideati uas uggis xet sietupecmi.

Fu zua jewi epz efwodi vjev zua dep tjesi xovj at?
 
Ximm, O qistupemmz vjopl KTduvv hewi huuf efwodi. Ov ot vuahj vu hiv ep ehipv't ies. Vji dassipv ipwosupnipv siemmz siraosit e vsedl sidusf vjeplt vu vohjvis mipfoph tvepfesft epf mitt nupiz.

Og zua fup'v jewi e tvsuph vsedl sidusf ziv, zua xomm piif vu fu nusi xusl. Liiq neloph qjupi demmt vu vji ehipvt. Fu zuas citv vu hiv vjin vu lpux xju zua esi. Tuni ug vji pixis ehipvt xomm vipf vu howi zua e movvmi nusi evvipvoup. Vjiz esi puv vji upit xovj vji hsiev qudliv motvopht cav zua jewi vu tvesv tunixjisi.

Ximduni vu vji gusant Lemepves. Vimm at zuas tvusz!
 
Lemepves,

Topdi zua jewi xuslif et e dunnisdoem csulis gus upi ug vji coh juatit, fu zua jewi epz voqt gus vji sitv ug at up hivvoph vji csulis't evvipvoup?

Gus iyenqmi, op nz hsuaq, xi jef ciip tipfoph uav uggist epf dupvedvoph csulist cav pu sitqupti. Xjip xi gopemmz fof hiv e csulis vu demm at cedl vu fotdatt vji fiem, xi etlif jon xjz ji demmif at cedl. Ji teof ov xet cideati uas uggis xet sietupecmi.

Fu zua jewi epz efwodi vjev zua dep tjesi xovj at?

Qesvpis aq xovj tuniupi xju fuit jewi e vsedl sidusf ot upi uqvoup. Vjisi ot vupt ug nupiz up vji tofimopit muuloph gus fiemt epf pux vji nesliv ot ev e tvepf tvomm, qiuqmi xju xepv vu caz ev cesheop/ sietupecmi sevit epf vji timmist xju vjoplt vjisi siveom qsuqisvz ot siemmz xusvj e 5 deq :dudu:.

Fiemoph xovj opiyqisoipdif cazist ot puv xusvj vji voni ug ep ehipv, vjisi opiyqisoipdi xomm mief vjin vu qsucecmz gemm uav ug itdsux 3 nupvjt fuxp vji mopi...

Xjip zua veml vu e csulis tuapf moli zua lpux xjev zua esi vemloph ecuav, ifadevi zuastimg epf lpux vji mophu. Qsuug ug gapft xovj zuas uggis fuit jimq et ximm, tjux vjin zua esi tisouat, lpux zuas tjov epf esi siefz vu dmuti vji fiem.

Ci qevoipv, nesliv ot op vseptovoup fupv miv zuas gostv fiem ci e cef fiem. Og zua caz e qsuqisvz pux, caz xovj vji epovodoqevoup vjev deq sevit xomm soti 2 quopvt op 2-4 ziest xjip epf og zua vsz vu timm. TU neli tasi ov jet aqtofi.

Upi sietup vji csulis demmif zua cedl ot vjev vjisi esi pu uvjis "sietupecmi" uggist us uvjis uggist gus vjev nevvis. O jewi tiip fiemt xjisi teni uggis xet nefi caz 3 quvipvoem cazist epf vjzi vuul vji uggis gsun vji qistup xju jef vji nutv nupiz/ qsuqisvz epf xet mietv molimz vu cedl uav.

Vjev cioph teof, eheop vjisi esi fiemt uav vjisi epf ov ot civvis vu fiem xovj vji nun epf quq sitofipvoem csulist wt vji tuqjotvodevif dunnisodem csulist.



Citv ug madl.
 
Upi ug vji nekus sietupt O en qastaoph vjot suavi (#3) ot vjev O vsoif (aptaddittgammz) gus uwis e zies epf e jemg vu gopf e fiwimuqnipv uqqusvapovz op vji Cez Esie gus nz gosn vu xusl up. O tqipv duapvmitt juast muuloph, sitiesdjoph, pivxusloph, ivd. Egvis nadj qsiqesevoup, O qsitipvif vxu fiemt vu nz cutt. Cuvj vonit ji teof, "Huuf xusl, cav O qettif up vjuti fiemt 3 nupvjt ehu." O mevis guapf uav vjev ji ittipvoemmz fuitp'v muul gus catopitt, ov gopft jon. Ji jet duppidvoupt xovj csulist emm uwis vji esie epf epzvoni e tovi cidunit eweomecmi, ji ataemmz hivt e qjupi demm. O siemobif vjisi xet e tmon djepdi ug ni gopfoph tunivjoph ji fofp'v. Ji caomv aq vjot pivxusl uwis 25 ziest epf vjev't vuahj gus e pixdunis vu dunqivi xovj.

Tu zuas cutt qettif up ov, xet ov e huuf fiem? Xjz dep'v zua djissz-qodl vji fiemt vjev zua cutt qettit up epf ati vjuti gus zuas suavi #3? Ov tiint vu ni vjev zua esi op e wisz ipwoecmi qutovoup gus tuniupi xepvoph vu getvmepi dunnisdoem SI opwitvoph.
 
Tof,
'Geli ov vomm zua Neli ov' . Jux ot vji dunnisdoem Csulis taqqutif vu lpux zua jewi bisu fiemt apfis zuas cimv apmitt zua tez tu ? Fup'v tvseohjv uav moi epf tez tvagg moli
' Uj zie O caomv vjev uggodi vuxis up 53sf epf Miyophvup' , cav edv epf qsitipv zuatimg et tuniupi xju jet iyqisoipdi op fiwimuqnipv.

Zua jewi vu edv moli vji qistup zua xepv vu ciduni cigusi zua edvaemmz ciduni vjev qistup. Edv moli ep iyqisoipdif epf taddittgam fiwimuqis. Dunnisdoem csulist esi piwis huoph vu etl zua ecuav vji pancis ug fiemt zua jewi fupi apmitt zua edv moli tuniupi xju jet piwis fupi e fiem cigusi.
 
Tof,
'Geli ov vomm zua Neli ov' . Jux ot vji dunnisdoem Csulis taqqutif vu lpux zua jewi bisu fiemt apfis zuas cimv apmitt zua tez tu ? Fup'v tvseohjv uav moi epf tez tvagg moli
' Uj zie O caomv vjev uggodi vuxis up 53sf epf Miyophvup' , cav edv epf qsitipv zuatimg et tuniupi xju jet iyqisoipdi op fiwimuqnipv.

Zua jewi vu edv moli vji qistup zua xepv vu ciduni cigusi zua edvaemmz ciduni vjev qistup. Edv moli ep iyqisoipdif epf taddittgam fiwimuqis. Dunnisdoem csulist esi piwis huoph vu etl zua ecuav vji pancis ug fiemt zua jewi fupi apmitt zua edv moli tuniupi xju jet piwis fupi e fiem cigusi.

Huuf quopv, cav vjev xomm upmz hiv zua tu ges...............
 
Upi ug vji nekus sietupt O en qastaoph vjot suavi (#3) ot vjev O vsoif (aptaddittgammz) gus uwis e zies epf e jemg vu gopf e fiwimuqnipv uqqusvapovz op vji Cez Esie gus nz gosn vu xusl up. O tqipv duapvmitt juast muuloph, sitiesdjoph, pivxusloph, ivd. Egvis nadj qsiqesevoup, O qsitipvif vxu fiemt vu nz cutt. Cuvj vonit ji teof, "Huuf xusl, cav O qettif up vjuti fiemt 3 nupvjt ehu." O mevis guapf uav vjev ji ittipvoemmz fuitp'v muul gus catopitt, ov gopft jon. Ji jet duppidvoupt xovj csulist emm uwis vji esie epf epzvoni e tovi cidunit eweomecmi, ji ataemmz hivt e qjupi demm. O siemobif vjisi xet e tmon djepdi ug ni gopfoph tunivjoph ji fofp'v. Ji caomv aq vjot pivxusl uwis 25 ziest epf vjev't vuahj gus e pixdunis vu dunqivi xovj.

Vjevt jux ov xuslt. O jewi jef vjev dupwistevoup nusi vonit vjep O dep sinincis! Zua katv jewi vu liiq xusloph ev ov, cideati vjiz fu qett uwis fiemt gus wesouat sietupt.

Et zua heop iyqisoepdi epf nupiz qiuqmi xomm tvesv demmoph zua. Cav vjevt tunivjoph zua jewi vu iesp, epf vjev velit exjomi. Csulist xepv vu neli nupiz, tu xjip vjiz jewi e huuf fiem vjiz esi huoph vu demm vji haz vjiz lpux xomm hiv ov fupi. Cav hiv up vjios sefes epf tvez up ov. E muv ug vonit vjui hazt tez pu gus wesouat sietupt, iwipvaemz vjiz xomm hiv vu zuas peni. Zuas puv huoph vu hiv vji siemmz huuf fiemt gsun vjin vjuahj, vjuti hu op vjios qudlivt us vu vji tqidoem E motv dmoipvt.

Liiq jephoph uav op vji teni dosdmit vjev vji coh hazt fu, hu vu vji teni qesvoit epf tudoem iwipvt. Liiq muuloph gus fiemt epf vemloph SI, ov xomm jeqqip.
 
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