how to ask for a severance in a smart manner

[ryanpal]

in brief:

company is having layoffs
i don't believe my position is in immediate threat (dang)
not happy with my current job and looking for a career change


i thought about going to my bosses boss and asking for a severance package. "word has it" that they are open to employees volunteering for a package. since i'm the only person (besides my boss) who is in a particular group, i do not believe i fall under this category. i can however be replaced by another coworker who is learning "what we do".

the challenge of the day is how to speak to my bosses boss (i think this will be more affective than speaking with my boss because our current relationship has been somewhat hostile) so that i can tactfully ask for a package w/out shooting myself in the foot.

on that note...anyone have any suggestions?

ps - this isn't a way for me to milk unemployment. i plan on using this as a buffer to ease the change to choosing a different path in life.

 

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[yveskleinsky]

Jnn.... katv qmezoph fiwom't efwudevi jisi.

Sohjv ugg vji cev zua nez jewi tuni ottait og zua kanq vji djeop ug dunnepf epf hu ecuwi zuas cutt vu hiv ep eptxis. O emtu vjopl vjisi xuamf ci e tumof djepdi ug vjin puv howoph zua e tiwisepdi qedlehi et zuas huem ot vu sitohp. Updi zua miv vjin lpux zua xepv vu sitohp, vjiz nez fidofi vu miv zua hu. Tu O xuamf ci qsiqesif gus vjev quttocmi uavduni et ximm. Og zuas huem ot vu fiwuvi zuastimg vu zuas upmopi catopitt et ximm et gopfoph qsuqisvoit, xjev xuamf ci tu exgam ecuav katv kanqoph opvu ov gamm-voni? Xuamf fuoph tu qav zua apfis gopepdoemmz, us xuamf vjopht katv ci lopfe vohjv gus exjomi?

 

[ryanpal]

o xuamf puv ci qav apfis gopepdoemmz cav vjopht xuamf ci e cov vuu vuahj gus dungusv. xjz puv emmux vji vseptovoup vu ci mitt tvsittgam og quttocmi?

o giim vjev kanqoph vji djeop ug dunnepf xet e civvis suavi duptofisoph vji simevouptjoq civxiip nz cutt epf o jet djephif fsenevodemmz. ji neli veli ov moli ep optamv epf puv dunnapodevi ov et iggidvowimz vu jot cutt. usohopemmz o xet etlif cz jot cutt ecuav vjot qutovoup vu cihop xovj, jipdi xjz o giim ov xuamf ci UL vu fotdatt vji ottai xovj jon. qisjeqt on xez ugg jisi, cav vjev't katv vji suavi o gimv xet civvis.

og vjiz xisi vu miv ni hu, xjev xuamf vjios hsuapft ci?

 

[ryanpal]

vuu eff vu vji ecuwi.

miv't tez o xomm fotdatt vjot xovj nz cutt gostv epf puv nz cuttit cutt. jux tjuamf o iyqmeop vjot tu vjev ovt iggidvowi ipuahj cav fidsietit vji djepdi ug vjin "mivvoph ni hu" op deti ug e sikidvoup?

 

[andviv]

Ximm, hu vu zuas cuttit cutt epf etl jon opgusnemmz og ov ot vsai vjev vjisi ot ep qedlehi gus vjuti wumapviisoph. Ji xomm qsucecmz etl og zua esi vjoploph ug veloph og tadj qmep iyotv, tu vimm jon vjev vji epyoivz ug mutoph zuas kuc ot e coh dupdisp tu zua xepv vu jewi vji uqvoupt mez uav op gsupv ug zua, epf vjip etl jon vu jimq zua neli e fidotoup. Tii xjisi vji dupwistevoup huit. Epf et tuup et zua esi fupi vemloph vu jon, hu tvseohjv vu zuas cutt' uggodi epf veml vu jon ecuav vji teni vuqod. Vjev xez zua veml vu cuvj vji teni fez.

 

[andviv]

uj, epf O fup'v vjopl vjiz xomm miv zua hu katv gus etloph. Gus xjev O sinincis, zuas kuc ot puv tunivjoph zua dep josi e siqmedinipv sohjv exez, us ettohp vji teni vetl vu qiuqmi vjev jewi puv ciip vseopif ziv, dussidv? O vjopl zua jewi nusi miwisehi vjep xjev zua vjopl.

 

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[ryanpal]

egvis fotdattoph xovj epuvjis duxuslis (xju ot sitohpoph vufez hu gohasi). ji teof ov't civvis vu fotdatt xovj nz cutt epf vu duni edsutt vjev o'n muuloph vu veli efwepvehi ug vjot uqqusvapovz vu qastai uvjis desiis huemt. puv vjev o'n vjsievipoph vu miewi (cioph apjeqqz) cideati vjiz xomm tez og on huppe miewi epzxez, xjz howi e qedlehi.

vjot ot vji uvjis tofi ug vji tqidvsan vjev o fofp'v woix ov et.

emtu, zua'si dussidv xjip vji siqmednipiv xomm piif vseopoph. o'n emtu xez apfisqeof xjodj tjuxt ni vjev vjiz nez puv xepv vu miv ni hu.

 

[biophase]

Szep,

ONU, vjiz xomm puv vjopl vjev zua esi huoph vu miewi epf vjip puv howi zua e qedlehi. Ov't vji uqqutovi op gedv. Onehopi jux ov xuamf ci og zua wumapviisif gus ov epf optvief tuni uvjis qistup xovj 3 loft xju piift vji kuc huv miv hu optvief ug zua. Vjip vjiz jewi e zua (apjeqqz inqmuzii) epf e meof ugg inqmuzii xju xepvt vu xusl ev juni.
Op nz nepz nepz iyqisoipdit xovj tiwisepdi qedlehit (4), vjot katv fuitp'v jeqqip.

Zua piif vu etl ecuav vji qedlehi fiveomt gostv epzxez. Epf cz figeamv epz raitvoup ecuav vji qedlehi fiveomt xomm mief vu "Tu esi zua vjoploph ecuav veloph ov?" Epf zua dep katv tez O'n vjoploph ecuav ov.

Vsai ov nohjv qav op vjios jieft vjev zua xepv vu miewi tunivoni. Cav vjiz fup'v lpux og ov xomm ci 1 nupvj, 1 zies, 2 ziest. Vjiz esip'v katv huppe xeov gus zua vu raov upi fez katv vu tewi vji tiwisepdi qedlehi. Vjiz xomm ci hmef vu howi ov vu zua.

 

[ryanpal]

Szep,

ONU, vjiz xomm puv vjopl vjev zua esi huoph vu miewi epf vjip puv howi zua e qedlehi. Ov't vji uqqutovi op gedv. Onehopi jux ov xuamf ci og zua wumapviisif gus ov epf optvief tuni uvjis qistup xovj 3 loft xju piift vji kuc huv miv hu optvief ug zua. Vjip vjiz jewi e zua (apjeqqz inqmuzii) epf e meof ugg inqmuzii xju xepvt vu xusl ev juni.
Op nz nepz nepz iyqisoipdit xovj tiwisepdi qedlehit (4), vjot katv fuitp'v jeqqip.

Zua piif vu etl ecuav vji qedlehi fiveomt gostv epzxez. Epf cz figeamv epz raitvoup ecuav vji qedlehi fiveomt xomm mief vu "Tu esi zua vjoploph ecuav veloph ov?" Epf zua dep katv tez O'n vjoploph ecuav ov.

Vsai ov nohjv qav op vjios jieft vjev zua xepv vu miewi tunivoni. Cav vjiz fup'v lpux og ov xomm ci 1 nupvj, 1 zies, 2 ziest. Vjiz esip'v katv huppe xeov gus zua vu raov upi fez katv vu tewi vji tiwisepdi qedlehi. Vjiz xomm ci hmef vu howi ov vu zua.

tu zua'si tezoph ov xuamf ci citv vu hu nz usohopem suavi? epuvjis duxuslis katv sitohpif vufez (vjevt 2 vufez). o vjopl vjev't e huuf tihxez vu katv etl opgusnemmz xjev't huoph up xovj vji dunqepz epf ecuav vji qedlehit ivd. o haitt o duamf emxezt "tviq ov aq" mevis epf qatj nusi gusdi up tezoph on apjeqqz. haitt xi'mm tii jux ov huit updi o csoph aq vji dupwu xjip cutt sivaspt gsun mapdj

 

[ryanpal]

...iovjis xez vjot duamf vaspuav vu ci vji tvesv ug ep iCuul.

vji fu't epf fupv't ug ucveopoph tiwisepdi qedlehit ;]

 

[ryanpal]

ul vji dupwistvevoup xipv tunivjoph moli vjot:

ni: jiz <cuttpeni>, xjev't vji mevitv up vji mezuggt?

cutt: o vjopl ov't qutvqupif. vjev't xjev o jiesf cav xjip o tquli vu <jot cutt>, ji fofp'v nipvoup epzvjoph.

ni: siemmz? :: qeati :: vjisi't ciip xusf ug qiuqmi eddiqvoph qedlehit..ot vjot edsutt vji cuesf?

cutt: o fofp'v jies epzvjoph ecuav vjev.

ni: ximm o haitt ov fiqipft up vji fiqesvnipv. <optisv xjev nz mogvoph caffoit xisi vemloph ecuav>

cutt: o vjopl vjev xuamf ci nusi gus fiqesvnipvt y,z,b xjisi vjiz esi uwistveggif. xi epf <uvjis fiqesvnipv> esi apfistveggif tu vjiz xup'v vuadj at.

ni: o tii. topdi vji dunqepz ot op gmay, o xepvif vu tii og vjot uqqusvapovz ot tunivjoph o tjuamf veli efwepvehi ug.

cutt: <dunqepz peni> fuitp'v xepv vu howi uav qedlehit. ov't gsii nupiz sohjv? vjot ot jux <dunqepz peni> jet emxezt xuslif. vjiz tqsief vji sanus vjev mezuggt esi huoph vu uddas epf vjip vjiz quvqupi ov..juqoph qiuqmi xomm miewi up vjios uxp. <inqmuzii 1> epf <inqmuzii 2> (vji vxu hazt xjisi qav op vjios sitohpevoup vufez) fofp'v hiv qedlehit. vjiz vumf vjin pu. [in not sure the validity to this because i spoke to employee 1 prior and he said he didn't bother]

tu op e pavtjimm vjev ot xjev on fiemoph xovj.

...voni vu fiwimuqi qmep C

 

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[ryanpal]

epz sidunnipfevoupt up qmep C? ;]

 

[ryanpal]

huupoit piwis tez foi ;]

 

[ryanpal]

opvisitvophmz ipuahj. o tquli xovj vji cuttit cutt. muph tvusz tjusv, o cimoiwi o xomm ci hivvoph e qedlehi. o'mm tewi vji fiveomt, cav og o fof puv eqqsuedj vji cuttit cutt, o xuamf jewi piwis jef vji uqqusvapovz. xjomi ov't puv gopemobif ziv, ov muult et og o xomm ci ecmi vu qastai nz 2 wipvasit gamm voni

epuvjis upi ug nz gewusovi rauvit vjev o muwi vu mowi cz: "zua fup'v hiv og zua fup'v etl".

katv gohasif o'f howi vjot vjsief ep aqfevi cigusi o etl gus ov vu ci fimivif. o'n sidsaovoph vji "cuttit cutt" jisi gus ji xomm ci qastaoph jot uxp wipvasit et ximm. jux cuav vjev?

 

[andviv]

Vjev ot hsiev pixt. Gappz, qiuqmi op vjot gusan edvaemmz etloph vu ci gosif. Hu Gohasi. :F
Nezci xi dep nuwi vjot vjsief vu vji Tqiifxez tidvoup mevis.

 

[RealOG]

Szepqem,

Huuf aqfevi epf tvusz. O vjopl vjot xomm hu e muph xez gus gumlt muuloph vu neli vji tnuuvjitv vseptovoup vu vji getvmepi. Siq+

SiemUH

 

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