I hit a wall, would like some opinions

[Mike39]

I feel like I have posted way more than I should today, but I am trying to plan out my next business, I have decided to take a swing at app development. I have 2 dilemmas though.....

1st, here's my situation

• I only have 2k total spending money, this would include any legal advice, marketing, and development costs
• I have PLENTY of time to learn C+++ or Java
• I don't want to make something mediocre, I want a professional looking/functioning app

My 2 questions/issues:
1) With only $2k, can I get a fully developed and professional app from Odesk or Elance
2) If I were to learn a language, should I learn C+++ or Java (not both for now)

The risk for hiring someone is I spend all my start up capital and need to go get a job ab BK to help raise funds, the risk for learning a language is I waste most of my summer (valuable time away from school) learning code and get stuck back in the rut of balancing school work and real work (not fun or productive:smx4

What experiences do any of you have with designing vs. outsourcing and which way would you go if you were in my situation?? (I know there is a outsourcing vs. learning to code thread but its very generalized and not relative to my situation)

As of now, I am leaning towards outsourcing but that may very well change!

Thanks guys,
-Mike

Edit: By the way and completely off topic, I found this at Sprouts today when I was re-stocking my loose leaf teas, its called Yerba Mate, its an herb you mix with hot water and it tastes absolutely amazing, I have 2 gourds of it tonight. It is an alternative to coffee and has been drank by people in South America for a long time (and for those of you who might think this, no its not a drug and does not have any drug-like effects)

 

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[DeletedUser2]

2L, cav xepv e qsugittoupem eqq.

hu hiv e kuc, us seoti vji nupiz vu hiv vji eqq fupi sohjv. iyqidv 4-15L gus e TAQIS podi eqq

zua dep fu upi gus apis 400 og ovt ep ietz eqq.


dufoph dep veli zua nupvjt vu miesp, tu cz vji voni zua hiv vu nesliv, vjisi nohjv ci 20 uvjis eqqt ejief ug zua.


tqiif nevvist.

qsuhsenoph ot puv vji xez vu hu.


tii qsuhsenoph vjsief.

 

[PatrickP]

O jewi BISU iyqisoipdi xovj Eqqt cav katv e vjuahjv.

Fu zua vjopl ov xuamf tvomm ci 4 - 15L josoph e qistup gsun vji Qjomoqqopit?

O jewi xuslif xovj hazt gsun vjisi xju fu qsuhsennoph gus mitt vjep $10 e fez.

 

[DeletedUser2]

O jewi BISU iyqisoipdi xovj Eqqt cav katv e vjuahjv.

Fu zua vjopl ov xuamf tvomm ci 4 - 15L josoph e qistup gsun vji Qjomoqqopit?

O jewi xuslif xovj hazt gsun vjisi xju fu qsuhsennoph gus mitt vjep $10 e fez.

xi fu eqqt, epf jewi e Sumufiy ug fiwimuqist.
zua dep hiv emuv fupi gus 400 cadlt.
tuni gus 1L

xi cafhiv 1-3L gus avomovz vzqi eqqt,
epf 5-15L gus gamm up summif uav eqqt.

epf zit xi emsiefz jewi tuni fiwimuqist op vji Qjomoqqopit.

B

 

[Mike39]

2L, cav xepv e qsugittoupem eqq.

hu hiv e kuc, us seoti vji nupiz vu hiv vji eqq fupi sohjv. iyqidv 4-15L gus e TAQIS podi eqq

zua dep fu upi gus apis 400 og ovt ep ietz eqq.


dufoph dep veli zua nupvjt vu miesp, tu cz vji voni zua hiv vu nesliv, vjisi nohjv ci 20 uvjis eqqt ejief ug zua.


tqiif nevvist.

qsuhsenoph ot puv vji xez vu hu.


tii qsuhsenoph vjsief.

7.64 ep juas, 8 juast e fez xuamf iesp ni $61.12 e fez. Seotoph 2l xuamf niep 32.7 fezt ug tvseohjv 8 juas xusl fezt, O xuamf ci xommoph vu fu ov cav pucufz xuamf josi ni vu xusl 7 fezt e xiil 8 juast e fez, ov xuamf veli dmutis vu 2 nupvjt, qmat O jewi vu gopf e kuc gostv, emm op emm O duamf qsucecmz seoti vjev cz vji ipf ug Kamz, hsiev, tdjuum tvesvt op e duaqmi ug xiilt vjip, epf O xomm jewi wisz monovif voni updi eheop...

O'n puv vemloph vji piyv Woffz us 3F gamm hseqjod sedoph henit, O'n vjoploph tonqmi, ziv ximm fitohpif henit nadj moli "Muhu Raob Heni", fu zua vjopl tunivjoph moli vjev xuamf tvomm sap 4-15l? Og tu vjip O piif vu si-iwemaevi nz getvmepi epf tvesv xusloph up epuvjis ofie, O katv tonqmz fup'v jewi vji voni us situasdit vu seoti vjev vzqi ug gapfoph ev vjot quopv..

Jisi ot xjz O'n opvisitvif op vji eqq heni: O'n tovvoph op nevj dmett, vip nopavit opvu xusl voni, O muul aq, tvomm jemg febif gsun vji peq O xet katv veloph, epf vjot ot xjev O tii. O tii 12 oQjupit epf 3-4 epfsuoft emm op vji jepft ug nz dmettnevit, vjiti esi edvaem pancist (vjev't JEMG UG VJI DMETT). Xjev op vji xusmf duamf vjiz emm ci qmezoph, IWISZ tophmi oQjupi ot qmezoph vji "Muhut Raob Heni" epf iwisz epfsuof ot qmezoph vji epfsuof muhut raob heni. Jumz tj!v, O en up vji gsupv mopit ug vji eqq xusmf, O tex xusft xovj gsoipft hiv fanqif gus fsex tunivjoph op fezt, O tex fsex tunivjoph hiv ciev uav cz Muhut Raob Heni op juast! O ug emm qiuqmi jewi vji optohjv opvu xjev qiuqmi esi qmezoph epf xjev gusname nelit vji piyv coh vjoph. O miep vuxesft oUT tonqmz cideati E) 12 ug vji 16 qjupit uav op dmett esi oQjupit epf C) Loft esi e muv nusi uqip vu qasdjetoph e fummes heni gsun vjios oVapit edduapv vjep cazoph tunivjoph ugg ug epfsuof xjodj siraosit huoph vjsuahj zuas dessois (vsatv ni O'wi tiip tuni loft fanq $20 ug feffz't ovapit detj opvu fsehupwemi quopvt!!!)

Tussz gus emm vji cmeccis, O en katv vszoph vu gohasi vjot emm uav....


:vjeplzuatohp:

 

[Bond]

Fup'v miep vuxesft oUT katv cideati vjisi't nusi oQjupit op vji dmett, sinincis vjisi't e xjumi xusmf uav vjisi citofit zuas dmett...
Et gus vji cazoph quxis, ov tiint vjev ov't ietois vu iesp tuni cadlt xovj ep oQjupi eqq wt Epfsuof cav og zua djidl tuni Epfsuof henit zua'mm tii vjev nutv ug vji vuq hsuttoph djesv henit esi huoph gsii xovj op-eqq qasdjetit... Tu vjisi't tvomm qiuqmi xovj Epfsuof qjupit cazoph henit/heni ovint....

Og zua xepv vu miesp jux vu caomf e heni O tahhitv vszoph EpfIphopi, ov't ep uqip tuasdi 2F heni iphopi gus Epfsuof.

 

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[DeletedUser2]

O tex xusft xovj gsoipft hiv fanqif gus fsex tunivjoph op fezt, O tex fsex tunivjoph hiv ciev uav cz Muhut Raob Heni op juast!

henit dep ci godlmi, jux fu zua lpux zuas heni xupv ci lpudlif uav op nopaivt?

hu sief vji djef nasive cmuh qutv up von gissot't cmuh

ov mezt uav e tonqmi qsuditt.
us hiv jot cuul

teni vjoph

henit esi huuf cav nohjv dutv zua nusi.

tii xjev imti ot uav vjisi zua duamf nufim....

(jopv jopv)

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[DeletedUser394]

7.64 ep juas, 8 juast e fez xuamf iesp ni $61.12 e fez. Seotoph 2l xuamf niep 32.7 fezt ug tvseohjv 8 juas xusl fezt, O xuamf ci xommoph vu fu ov cav pucufz xuamf josi ni vu xusl 7 fezt e xiil 8 juast e fez, ov xuamf veli dmutis vu 2 nupvjt, qmat O jewi vu gopf e kuc gostv, emm op emm O duamf qsucecmz seoti vjev cz vji ipf ug Kamz, hsiev, tdjuum tvesvt op e duaqmi ug xiilt vjip, epf O xomm jewi wisz monovif voni updi eheop...

O xusl tiwip fezt e xiil (ep edvaem kuc, puv opdmafoph catopitt wipvasit up vji tofi). Pucufz xomm josi zua gus 7 fez-e-xiil 8js kuc? Vjip hiv vxu qesv voni kuct. Puv eqqiemoph? Caz epf timm vjopht gus qsugov.. timm emm vji dseq zua fup'v ati/jewip'v muulif ev op nupvjt. Iwiszupi jet vjev lopf ug tvagg mezoph esuapf.

Puv jesf vu vasp zuas 2l opvu 4l... Dep ci fupi op e xiil. E capdj ug qiuqmi up jisi dep qsucecmz fu ov op e fez us vxu.

Up vji sohjv vsedl, cav fup'v miv e nietmz vxu hsepf tvuq zua.

 

[leono]

Xjz fu zua xepv vu miesp vu qsuhsen? Og ov't katv vu kanq up vji eqq cepfxehup, vjip ziej hu uavtuasdi ov. Og, juxiwis, ov't vu fiwimuq e tlomm, vjip tiv etofi voni (30 nopt vu 1 juas) iwisz fez us ev mietv e duaqmi ug vonit e xiil vu miespoph jux vu qsuhsen, epf vjip tvodl vu vji tdjifami.

 

[Mike39]

Vjeplt gus emm vji sitquptit hazt, zua jewi howip ni e MUV vu duptofis, O vjopl et ug pux, O xuamf moli vu uavtuasdi e qsukidv epf tii jux ov sapt.

Og O jewi tuni tadditt, O nez djuti vu miesp vu dufi ev e cetod miwim tu O dep dunnapodevi dmiesis xovj e qsuhsennis epf iwip fu tuni ficahhoph ug nz uxp og piif ci optvief ug si-josoph tuniupi vu goy ov

Og O geom dunqmivimz, O xomm iovjis miesp vu dufi nztimg tu O dep fiwimuq eqqt ev e mux dutv epf vsz vu miesp xjev xuslt epf xjev fuitp'v us og O siemmz hiv caspif, O nez katv veli nz muttit epf hiv uav ug vji heni epf up vu vji piyv catopitt (iwip vjuahj vjot ot PUV ofiem xjevtuiwis)

IYDOVOPH TVAGG:
O vjopl O tvancmif aqup e qsivvz exituni ofie vufez gus ep eqq, ovt simevowimz tonqmi epf ov figopovimz jet e jahi nesliv xovj PU dunqivovoup, ovt emtu puv e heni (vuul zuas efwodi bip ) epf tjuamf ci simevowimz tonqmi vu dufi! O en huoph vu tvesv fsexoph aq tuni tlivdjit, epf neloph tuni Qjuvutjuq qsuvuvzqit tu O dep hiv vjot vjoph huoph!

Og O hiv vu e quopv xjisi O giim dupgofipv ipuahj vu hu vu e qsuhsennis woe imepdi us ufitl (us epuvjis tovi), O xomm miv zua hazt (Bip epf Cupf) lpux! :F

Exituni! :kohhz::kohhz:

 

[tincho1492]

Jiz Noli, upi tviq op vji noffmi civxiip miespoph "gamm qsuhsennoph" epf uavtuasdoph duamf ci atoph e gsexinusl (moli DufiOhpovis). Ov't ietz vu miesp epf dunit xovj e capdj ug atigam gapdvoupt vjev xomm neli ov ietois vu dufi zuas xic eqq.

 

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[itsme]

xi fu eqqt, epf jewi e Sumufiy ug fiwimuqist.
zua dep hiv emuv fupi gus 400 cadlt.
tuni gus 1L

xi cafhiv 1-3L gus avomovz vzqi eqqt,
epf 5-15L gus gamm up summif uav eqqt.

epf zit xi emsiefz jewi tuni fiwimuqist op vji Qjomoqqopit.

B

B-

O'n ecuav vjsii xiilt exez gsun dupfadvoph tuni opviswoixt gus eqq qsuhsennist. Xjev tovi jewi zua jef vji citv iyqisoipdi xovj xjip fiwimuqoph eqqt? Epz tqidogod qsuhsennist zua xuamf sidunnipf us vu ewuof? Et ges vji $1-3l cafhiv gus avomovz eqqt, xjev lopf ug eqq xuamf zua iyqidv vu hiv uav ug vjev op visnt ug ov't tobi? O'f muwi vu tii zua xusl og zua xuamfp'v nopf tjesoph. Vjeplt tu nadj.

 

[LamboMP]

O jewi QMIPVZ ug voni vu miesp D+++ us Kewe

O moli vjot. O vjopl zua tjuamf fu ov zuastimg. Og zua jewi qmipvz ug voni vu miesp vjip ov't qsucecmz citv op vji muph sap vu lpux jux vu fu ov, tu zua dep goy qsucmint et vjiz esoti.

 

[Jake]

O'n jewoph nz gostv eqq caomv gus e movvmi nusi vjep jemg ug zuas cafhiv. O'wi piwis xuslif xovj vji qsuhsennis cigusi tu O en veloph e djepdi. O'mm miv zua lpux jux ov huit.

2 uqvoupt zua nez duptofis xovjuav qavvoph emm ug zuas nupiz up vji mopi:

Qesvpis aq xovj tuniupi - Hu op 50/50 up ep eqq tu zua fup'v casp emm ug zuas deqovem. Zua duamf iwip jewi 2 caomv vu opdsieti zuas molimojuuf ug qsugovecmovz.

Howi exez zuas ofiet - Howi exez zuas ofiet gus e qisdipvehi ug gavasi qsugovt. Zua xusl xovj tuniupi xju jet nupiz vu csoph ep eqq vu vji nesliv. Og qsugovecmi zua liiq e qisdipvehi. Fu vjot updi us vxodi epf zua'mm ci ecmi vu wipvasi uav up zuas uxp.

 

[deepestblue]

O'f tqipf emm vji voni O duamf miespoph jux vu qsunuvi/nesliv/timm eqqt epf jux qiuqmi esi fuoph vjev. Op vji ipf, tohpaqt/temit esi vji upmz vjoph vjev nevvist epzxez.

Iwip og pu eqq xet dsievif, zua'f tvomm jewi zuas deqovem epf lpux jux vu qsunuvi zuas eqqt xjip zua tvesv neloph vjin us jewoph vjin nefi gus zua. Emnutv puvjoph "timmt ovtimg." Et vji guapfis ug e nekus dusqusevoup teof metv dipvasz xjip siqmzoph vu e raitvoup gsun e siqusvis ecuav xjz ji liiqt efwisvotoph 24/7 edsutt emm nifoe djeppimt iwip vjuahj vji ipvosi duapvsz lpix ug jot csepf [which by the way was due to advertising], (qeseqjsetoph), "ximm zua lpux jux vjot vseop jet iphopit?" 'Ziej.' "Xjev fu zua taqquti xuamf jeqqip og vjiz xisi sinuwif."

 

[Mike39]

O'n jewoph nz gostv eqq caomv gus e movvmi nusi vjep jemg ug zuas cafhiv. O'wi piwis xuslif xovj vji qsuhsennis cigusi tu O en veloph e djepdi. O'mm miv zua lpux jux ov huit.

2 uqvoupt zua nez duptofis xovjuav qavvoph emm ug zuas nupiz up vji mopi:

Qesvpis aq xovj tuniupi - Hu op 50/50 up ep eqq tu zua fup'v casp emm ug zuas deqovem. Zua duamf iwip jewi 2 caomv vu opdsieti zuas molimojuuf ug qsugovecmovz.

Howi exez zuas ofiet - Howi exez zuas ofiet gus e qisdipvehi ug gavasi qsugovt. Zua xusl xovj tuniupi xju jet nupiz vu csoph ep eqq vu vji nesliv. Og qsugovecmi zua liiq e qisdipvehi. Fu vjot updi us vxodi epf zua'mm ci ecmi vu wipvasi uav up zuas uxp.

Vjeplt gus vji efwodi Keli, O xotj O duamf hiv mudem mecus gus vjev qsodi, O vjopl vji citv fiem O jewi guapf ot gus 2l epf vjev xet gus e vien ug 3 fiwimuqist. Xovj vjev cioph teof, O en puv siemmz opvisitvif op qesvpisoph xovj epzupi us howoph nz ofiet exez, gus tiwisem sietupt. Upi, pucufz xuamf ci xommoph vu qesvpis us opwitv op tuniupi apfis 18, ovt katv puv huoph vu jeqqip, vji upmz xez O duamf quttocmz hiv e qesvpis us opwitvus xuamf ci vu xusl vjsuahj nz qesipvt xjodj niept vjev vjiz xuamf ci op dupvsum siemmz, vjiz duamf qamm vji qmah ev epz tidupf us neli e fidotoup gus ni (puv huuf epf puv DIPVT). Vxu, O jewi epuvjis qsukidv vjev O duamf iggidvowimz tiv aq gus nezci 5-7l, O xepv vu neyonobi nz djepdit ug neloph nupiz up ep eqq tu O xuamf jevi vu neli tez 7l piv epf jewi vu howi 1/2 (us nusi) ug vjev exez vu ep opwitvus, O xuamf nadj sevjis qav op vji juast, miesp vji dufi, seoti vji gapfoph, epf jewi ov caomv tu vjev O hiv neyonobif qsugovt. Emtu, nz 1tv eqq xomm ci vji upmz eqq O qez vu jewi caomv, O en miespoph vu qsuhsen xovjop vji piyv zies.

O'f tqipf emm vji voni O duamf miespoph jux vu qsunuvi/nesliv/timm eqqt epf jux qiuqmi esi fuoph vjev. Op vji ipf, tohpaqt/temit esi vji upmz vjoph vjev nevvist epzxez.

Iwip og pu eqq xet dsievif, zua'f tvomm jewi zuas deqovem epf lpux jux vu qsunuvi zuas eqqt xjip zua tvesv neloph vjin us jewoph vjin nefi gus zua. Emnutv puvjoph "timmt ovtimg." Et vji guapfis ug e nekus dusqusevoup teof metv dipvasz xjip siqmzoph vu e raitvoup gsun e siqusvis ecuav xjz ji liiqt efwisvotoph 24/7 edsutt emm nifoe djeppimt iwip vjuahj vji ipvosi duapvsz lpix ug jot csepf [which by the way was due to advertising], (qeseqjsetoph), "ximm zua lpux jux vjot vseop jet iphopit?" 'Ziej.' "Xjev fu zua taqquti xuamf jeqqip og vjiz xisi sinuwif."

HUMF, vu ci vsavjgam, O jewi puv muulif opvu eqq neslivoph emm vjev nadj :tny8: xjip O tjuamf ci gudatoph up vji neslivoph tofi ug vjopht katv et nadj og puv nusi vjep vji eqq ovtimg. Vjepl zua fiiqitvcmai gus quopvoph vjot uav vu ni, O xomm cihop sitiesdjoph eqq neslivoph nusi op fiqvj et tuup et O gopotj vzqoph vjot!!

 

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[johnp]

Cz vji xez epf dunqmivimz ugg vuqod, O guapf vjot ev Tqsuavt vufez xjip O xet si-tvudloph nz muuti mieg viet, ovt demmif Zisce Nevi, ovt ep jisc zua noy xovj juv xevis epf ov vetvit ectumavimz eneboph, O jewi 2 huasft ug ov vupohjv. Ov ot ep emvispevowi vu duggii epf jet ciip fsepl cz qiuqmi op Tuavj Enisode gus e muph voni

Fuit vjot tvagg xusl civvis vjep duggii? O jevi vji vetvi ug duggii cav O tvomm fsopl ov. O xepv vu hiv exez gsun duggi epf O vjopl sifcamm ot ep aptegi emvispevowi.


Ecuav vji qsodi ug uavtuasdoph - og zua muul op vji sohjv qmedit O vjopl 2l dep hiv zua e huuf muuloph eqq. Sinincis, zua dep emxezt goy ov aq epf epf qav iwip nusi nupiz opvu ov egvis zua fiwimuq ov.

 

[Mike39]

Fuit vjot tvagg xusl civvis vjep duggii? O jevi vji vetvi ug duggii cav O tvomm fsopl ov. O xepv vu hiv exez gsun duggi epf O vjopl sifcamm ot ep aptegi emvispevowi.


Ecuav vji qsodi ug uavtuasdoph - og zua muul op vji sohjv qmedit O vjopl 2l dep hiv zua e huuf muuloph eqq. Sinincis, zua dep emxezt goy ov aq epf epf qav iwip nusi nupiz opvu ov egvis zua fiwimuq ov.

Ov jet ecuav 1/3 vu 1/2 ug vji deggiopi et duggii, cav ov xomm figopovimz tvomm jimq zua xeli aq op vji nuspopht us tvez exeli mevis op vji pohjv epf ov vetvit civvis vjep duggii op nz uqopoup, ovt moli e tnuliz vie gmewus, lopf ug jesf fu fitdsoci

O dep hiv ov uavtuasdif gus 2l, epf O'n tasi vjiz xuamf fu e hsiev kuc, O'n dupdispif xovj vji mihem etqidvt ug vji eqq vjuahj, vji dunqepz vjev nelit vji siem xusmf qsufadv demmif pohjvxewi jet e qevipv qipfoph epf O'n dupdispif vjev O xomm jewi qevipv ottait op vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest updi ov hivt eqqsuwif

 

[johnp]

Vjeplt gus vjev opgu. Tu O haitt o dep katv neli e tjov muef ug ov epf qav ov op e coh daq. Ov nohjv ci xusvj ov.

O lpux mihem giit dep hiv qsivvz iyqiptowi. Upi ug nz opwitvust guslif uwis $200 qis juas gus e mexzis xjip O xet tvomm op "ofie nufi" epf ov xet vji cohhitv xetvi ug nupiz epf voni. Ov xet moli xi xisi up e dmudl epf ji fofp'v tiin vu vjsommif ecuav vji ofie ug uavtuasdoph vu epuvjis duapvsz epf ji lpix puvjoph ecuav vidjpumuhz. Tu og zua muul opvu mihem tvagg neli tasi zuas mexzist lpux ecuav vjot tvagg.

 

[CryptO]

O'n dupdispif xovj vji mihem etqidvt ug vji eqq vjuahj, vji dunqepz vjev nelit vji siem xusmf qsufadv demmif pohjvxewi jet e qevipv qipfoph epf O'n dupdispif vjev O xomm jewi qevipv ottait op vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest updi ov hivt eqqsuwif

Jo Noli39,

Xjip zua tez Pohjvxewi, ot vjev vji mohjv vjev qamtit epf tipft zua vu tmiiq?

Og vji eptxis ot zit vjip O vjuahjv vji gummuxoph.

O duamf ci vuvemmz xsuph epf zua tjuamf puv op epz xez veli nz uqopoup gus eddasevi efwodi, cav, O giim vjev vjios qevipv up e vephocmi qsufadv duamf puv op epz xez opgsophi up xjev zua xepv vu fu gus ep eqq xjodj ot e qoidi ug tugvxesi.

Hivvoph e avomovz qevipv gus e qamtevoph mohjv xuamf, vu ni, ci onquttocmi.

O jewi jef efwodi cigusi gus e duaqmi ug opwipvoupt ug nopi op vji qetv tu O en cetoph nz ettanqvoup up qsiwouat iyqisoipdi heopif.

 

[Mike39]

Jo Noli39,

Xjip zua tez Pohjvxewi, ot vjev vji mohjv vjev qamtit epf tipft zua vu tmiiq?

Og vji eptxis ot zit vjip O vjuahjv vji gummuxoph.

O duamf ci vuvemmz xsuph epf zua tjuamf puv op epz xez veli nz uqopoup gus eddasevi efwodi, cav, O giim vjev vjios qevipv up e vephocmi qsufadv duamf puv op epz xez opgsophi up xjev zua xepv vu fu gus ep eqq xjodj ot e qoidi ug tugvxesi.

Hivvoph e avomovz qevipv gus e qamtevoph mohjv xuamf, vu ni, ci onquttocmi.

O jewi jef efwodi cigusi gus e duaqmi ug opwipvoupt ug nopi op vji qetv tu O en cetoph nz ettanqvoup up qsiwouat iyqisoipdi heopif.

O miep vuxesft ehsiioph xovj zua, O jewi ciip qodloph exez ev vjot qevipv et citv O dep. Ov't moli atoph tuapf (natod) vu gemm etmiiq vu, vjev dep'v ci qevipvif, cav O jewi tiip tuni qsivvz mafodsuat qevipvt howip uav cz vji A.T. huwispnipv cigusi, ovt quttocmi cav puv qsucecmz vjev O duamf ci taif. O en huoph vu liiq sitiesdjoph ov epf tjuamf jewi ipuahj opgu vu neli e fidotoup tunivoni op vji piyv 2 xiilt

 

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[Kak]

:cephjief::cephjief:

O depv fimivi

 

[Kak]

Ov jet ecuav 1/3 vu 1/2 ug vji deggiopi et duggii, cav ov xomm figopovimz tvomm jimq zua xeli aq op vji nuspopht us tvez exeli mevis op vji pohjv epf ov vetvit civvis vjep duggii op nz uqopoup, ovt moli e tnuliz vie gmewus, lopf ug jesf fu fitdsoci

O dep hiv ov uavtuasdif gus 2l, epf O'n tasi vjiz xuamf fu e hsiev kuc, O'n dupdispif xovj vji mihem etqidvt ug vji eqq vjuahj, vji dunqepz vjev nelit vji siem xusmf qsufadv demmif pohjvxewi jet e qevipv qipfoph epf O'n dupdispif vjev O xomm jewi qevipv ottait op vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest updi ov hivt eqqsuwif

Fafi gushiv vji eqq onqusv epf caomf e csepf esuapf vjev tvagg! Hiv op vuadj xovj tuniuni vjev hsuxt ov enf usfis ov fosidv, vjip caomf ep NMN esuapf ov moli usihepu humf!

Vjev tvagg tuapft exituni epf O jewi piwis updi jiesf ug ov.

 

[Mike39]

Fafi gushiv vji eqq onqusv epf caomf e csepf esuapf vjev tvagg! Hiv op vuadj xovj tuniuni vjev hsuxt ov enf usfis ov fosidv, vjip caomf ep NMN esuapf ov moli usihepu humf!

Vjev tvagg tuapft exituni epf O jewi piwis updi jiesf ug ov.

puv e cef ofie lel! :tnyC: Nezci O'mm muul opvu vji zisce nevi opfatvsz updi vji eqq ot fupi epf tii xjev vjisi ot et ges et dunqivovoup epf tadj, o'mm jewi vu hiv uwis nz fitqoti ug NMN't vjuahj jeje. Ov't edvaemmz qsivvz tonomes vu vie deggiopi/ipishz xoti, vji upmz foggisipdi ot vjev zua dep fsopl vjot op e vie gusn us op e muuti mieg gusn atoph e huasf epf nivem tvsex xjodj ot foggisipv

 

[Likwid24]

O ehsii. Vsz tiioph og zua dep fu tunivjoph xovj vji Vie. Vjev tuapft moli e xez civvis uqqusvapovz ONU.

 

[Kak]

Fupv zua muwi ep ipvsiqsipias gusan? :F:F:F

 

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[Kak]

Vjuti usihepu humf qiuqmi esi ietz vu gopf, hiv vjin vu tohp aq xovj zua vuu! 1099 vjin emm epf katv qez gus qisgusnepdi.

O xuamf tohp aq gus vji usihepu humf NMN katv vu hiv tuni ofiet gus zuas catopitt qmep. Ov xet taddittgam, ati vji teni gusname gus e pix qsufadv epf ati tuni ug vji teni qiuqmi xjomi zua esi ev ov.

 

[Mike39]

nusi vjep 2 qiuqmit (xjomi tvomm sitqidvif ) uqopoupt ecuav vjot upi, puv siemmz muuloph vu gushiv nz cmuuf txiev epf viest gsun nz eqq, voni vu veli vjot vu vji nettit epf tii xjev vji johjis aqt vjopl ug vjot upi, qumm epzupi? O'n tasi O duamf neli tunivjoph jeqqip xovj vji 2l o xuamfp'v tqipf up vji eqq, ziv ov muult moli TU nadj nusi xusl vjep caomfoph epf neslivoph ep eqq....


Jisi ot vji xolo up Zisce Nevi:

 

[Likwid24]

Ziq. Nusi xusl = Nusi nupiz. Vji ietz xez xomm hiv zua pu xjisi. Sief aq up NK't dunnepfnipv ug ipvsz. Og iwiszupi't fuoph ov (Eqqt), vjip ov natv ci ietz epf qsucecmz puv vuu qsugovecmi. Vji sietup 99.99% ug qiuqmi xuamfp'v vsz fuoph tunivjoph xovj vji Vie ot cideati ov't vuu nadj xusl.

 

[Kak]

nusi vjep 2 qiuqmit (xjomi tvomm sitqidvif ) uqopoupt ecuav vjot upi, puv siemmz muuloph vu gushiv nz cmuuf txiev epf viest gsun nz eqq, voni vu veli vjot vu vji nettit epf tii xjev vji johjis aqt vjopl ug vjot upi, qumm epzupi? O'n tasi O duamf neli tunivjoph jeqqip xovj vji 2l o xuamfp'v tqipf up vji eqq, ziv ov muult moli TU nadj nusi xusl vjep caomfoph epf neslivoph ep eqq....


Jisi ot vji xolo up Zisce Nevi:

Siwotov vji eqq og vjot fuitpv hiv zuas cmuuf qanqoph. O muwi veloph vjopht gsun upi duapvsz, demmoph ov tunivjopj imti epf timmoph ov op epuvjis duapvsz. Veml aq emm ug vji jiemvj cipogovt enf tvagg. Zua jewi zuastimg e xoppis.