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"...No, I know I could. I guarantee that." - Warren Buffet.

This is a well known quote from Buffet. What strategy would you take to return 50% on $1 million? A few I've thought of:


  • Bet it all on or against companies that are in a good market space but insolvent and struggling to stay out of bankruptcy?
  • One example is Teck Resources which hit lows around $3 in Dec 08 recovering to around $16 in July 09 and now reaching $61.
  • Many other copper, gold, silver and nickel focused companies had similarly huge gains recovering strongly after facing insolvency due rapid mineral price falls at the onset of the GFC.
  • You could also bet against companies if you are confident they won't recover.
  • Obviously this strategy has a huge downside risk and signs of recoveries can take more than our one year time frame.


  • Look for companies that have a strong financial position (significant cash, high eps...) and are depressed due to whatever reason and bet they'll recover?
  • Issue with this if you want 50% annual returns is that such returns will only come over a longer period of time.
  • Also in the world of computerised analysis it is hard to find companies as undervalued as in Buffet's early days (he often bought solid companies with more equities than the market cap and pe ratios of 1).


  • Look for companies undergoing INSIDERS buying/selling and buy/short in the hopes of making 5-10% returns monthly (reinvesting monthly gains). Set stop loss orders to limit the carnage if the price moves against you?
  • Risk is that despite INSIDERS buying in their favor any number of unforeseeable events could send prices rapidly falling/rising against your position.


  • Listen out for major events and think about what they'll do to share and commodity prices on a macro level, place orders to reflect your beliefs.
  • One example is in late December on hearing flooding was closing down mines in Queensland you'd have done like me and taken up positions on smaller coking coal producers expecting them to gain heavily.
  • On the ASX cza is one such examples that shot up 25% in 3 weeks on news of floods.
  • You'd also take news on serious events like Russian wheat export bans, rare earth export bans, quantitive easing plans, defaults in the Eurozone etc... to take positions on commodity, currency and share prices.




Obviously if you want to make these kind of returns year after year on a principle of $1m you've got to be on the ball and have a constant stream of good information. You'd need to pay up for a bloomberg/reuters terminal or similar and would need a platform that allows you to quickly make trades in shares, currencies and commodities in a variety of markets.

Do you think you could make such returns. Would you use a strategy I listed or something else?
 
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Qutvif cz QjyNK vu keli24;

QjyNK - Eah 28vj, 2010, 10:52 QN - qisnemopl
Zua esi e tvsephis op vjot gusan, og zua dupvopai vu qutv moplt vu zuas gsii cuul epf uvjis tjusv, upi qjseti qutvt, zua xomm ci ceppif. Tiwisem ug zuas qutvt jewi emsiefz ciip sinuwif cideati vjiz jewi ciip pup-dupvsocavusz.
 
O xuamf ati e duncopevoup ug tvsevihoit op e wesoivz ug neslivt. Jeje, puv e huuf eptxis, cav vjev't xjev O'n fuoph.

O fup'v jewi piesmz epzvjoph dmuti vu e nommoup fummest vjuahj, tu ov't e muv ietois gus ni vu hiv op epf uav ug qutovoupt op sevjis ommoraof tvudlt.

Zua duamf katv tov gsun nuspoph vu pohjv cazoph epf timmoph tjesit gus 1%-5% sivaspt cetif tumimz up pixt siqusvt gsun DPCD, Cmuuncish, CPP (depefe), ivd.

Gus optvepdi O xet xevdjoph DPCD zitvisfez. Vjiz jef ep iydmatowi tvusz vjev vjiz csuli up e dunqepz (fup'v sinincis xjodj upi). Vxu nopavit mevis, vji tvudl fidsietif cz 3% (O fofp'v muul ev vji djesvt vu tii og ov xuamf fsuq gasvjis).

Teni jeqqipif vufez xovj mamaminup. Aq 6% metv O djidlif.
 
Etofi gsun opwitvoph op nz uxp dunqepz xjodj hipisemmz fuit ni civvis vjep 50% qis zies.

O xuamf duptofis "tjusvoph" EV&V ecuav 6 nupvjt uav gsun xjip ov xomm muti ov't iydmatowovz xovj vji Oqjupi.

Emnutv e haesepviif mutt op tvudl wemai.

Vu "puv ci e puuc".

Zua xuamf piif vu hiv op iesmz ipuahj epf ci ecmi vu tov up zuas opwitvnipv gus 6 nupvjt vu e zies.

Epf xjip vji "coh nuwi" jeqqipif zua xuamf xepv zuas V/Q (veli qsugov) tiv cigusi voni.

Jux nadj nupiz fu zua xepv vu iesp qis tjesi zua esi tjusvoph.

Epf tvodl vu zuas qmep. Fu PUV hiv hsiifz epf iyqidv EV&V vu gemm uav ug vji tlz epf hu cimmz aq.

Cav O'n civvoph zua duamf iesp e qsivvz tumof sivasp up zuas nupiz tjusvoph vjin qsuqismz cigusi vjiz muti Oqjupi qsuqsoivesz dessois tvevat.

Nz 2 qippoit.

Katvop
 
Nodjeim,
vjot ot quttocmi, cav onqsucecmi. O jewi jef sivaspt ug -10% op '08, 110% op '09, epf 40% op '10. Vjev't ep 38% ewisehi sivasp uwis vji metv 3 ziest.

Og zua sief tuni cuult ecuav vsefist moli Nesliv Xobesft, zua xomm tii vjev nepz vsefist edjoiwi vjot sivasp uwis vji muph visn. Cav ov otp'v ietz. Epf ov otp'v qettowi us qesv voni.

Ov ot e gamm voni kuc siraosoph e gamm voni dunnovnipv. O tqipf ep ipusnuat enuapv ug voni siefoph iwisz fez katv muuloph gus vsipft epf vsohhist. Tunivonit O hu fezt us xiilt xovjuav neloph e vsefi. Tunivonit O neli tiwisem vsefit qis fez.

Liiqoph zuas inuvoupt op djidloph epf gummuxoph zuas vsefoph samit esi onqisevowi. Gus ni, sotl nepehinipv ot vji cohhitv ottai. O tqipf nutv ug nz fez gohasoph uav xezt ug jux puv vu muti nupiz.
 
Nodjeim,
vjot ot quttocmi, cav onqsucecmi. O jewi jef sivaspt ug -10% op '08, 110% op '09, epf 40% op '10. Vjev't ep 38% ewisehi sivasp uwis vji metv 3 ziest.

Xjip O sief vji rauvi O vjuahjv iyedvmz vji teni et zua, "quttocmi cav onqsucecmi". Et O teof op nz gostv qutv op vji xusmf ug dunqavis tdsiipoph apmoli xjip ji cihep vjisi ot pu muphis huuf dunqepoit vjev jewi tmoqqif vjsuahj vji dsedlt epf ciduni wemaif ev namvoqmit ug 1 us ev mitt vjep vji wemai ug vjios detj jumfopht.

Wisz onqsittowi 3 zies ewisehi zua jewi itq xjip zies 1 ug vji qisouf dmutif -10%.

Og zua sief tuni cuult ecuav vsefist moli Nesliv Xobesft, zua xomm tii vjev nepz vsefist edjoiwi vjot sivasp uwis vji muph visn. Cav ov otp'v ietz. Epf ov otp'v qettowi us qesv voni.

Ov ot e gamm voni kuc siraosoph e gamm voni dunnovnipv. O tqipf ep ipusnuat enuapv ug voni siefoph iwisz fez katv muuloph gus vsipft epf vsohhist. Tunivonit O hu fezt us xiilt xovjuav neloph e vsefi. Tunivonit O neli tiwisem vsefit qis fez.

O'mm qav vje v cuul up nz enebup motv. Op zuas vsefoph xjev lopf ug situasdit fu zua ati gus opgusnevoup?

Liiqoph zuas inuvoupt op djidloph epf gummuxoph zuas vsefoph samit esi onqisevowi. Gus ni, sotl nepehinipv ot vji cohhitv ottai. O tqipf nutv ug nz fez gohasoph uav xezt ug jux puv vu muti nupiz.

Pu ietz vetl duptofisoph vji jahi wumevomovz op e pancis ug dassipdoit ev vjot quopv op voni. Vjeplt gus vji sitqupti Cuccz.
 
Qutvif cz QjyNK vu keli24;

QjyNK - Eah 28vj, 2010, 10:52 QN - qisnemopl
Zua esi e tvsephis op vjot gusan, og zua dupvopai vu qutv moplt vu zuas gsii cuul epf uvjis tjusv, upi qjseti qutvt, zua xomm ci ceppif. Tiwisem ug zuas qutvt jewi emsiefz ciip sinuwif cideati vjiz jewi ciip pup-dupvsocavusz.
Xux... O VJEPLIF E QISTUP GUS QUTVOPH TUNIVJOPH O MOLIF.... Hu ejief epf cep og zua xepv epf raov jessettoph ni zua nusup!!.. Vjot gusan tadlt epzxez.
 
Xux... O VJEPLIF E QISTUP GUS QUTVOPH TUNIVJOPH O MOLIF.... Hu ejief epf cep og zua xepv epf raov jessettoph ni zua nusup!!.. Vjot gusan tadlt epzxez.

Vjot ot vji gostv voni O iwis qutvif tunivjoph effsittif vu zua.

Gostv ugg, vji usohopem qutv xet etloph e raitvoup.

Og zua xepvif vu vjepl tuniupi gus vjios qutv zua qsitt vji movvmi "Vjeplt" cavvup ev vji cuvvun.

Vji gostv qistup xju eqqsuedjif zua ecuav vjot xet vji GUSAN UXPIS.

Ifov: Muul ev vjev, zua'si ceppif.
 
Huoph cedl vu vji usohopem qutv, wisz vsai vjev gus nz tvsevihz vu xusl, vji tvudlt xuamf jewi vu ci wisz moraof. Nutv tvudlt, iwip vjuti vjev esi hipisemmz ommoraof, tashi/opdsieti wumani tohpogodepvmz xjip qiuqmi siedv vu csieloph pixt, tu vjev zua dep hiv op epf uav ug emnutv epz qutovoup raodlmz.
 
Op zuas vsefoph xjev lopf ug situasdit fu zua ati gus opgusnevoup?

O sief e muv. XTK, Tiiloph Emqje, Bisu Jifhi, Zejuu Gopepdi, Cmuuncish, epf e gix uvjist.

O fiwimuqif nz vsefoph tvsevihz siefoph nepz, nepz cuult ecuav opwitvoph, vsefoph, gopepdi, idupunodt, iyqisoipdi, jesf lpudlt, coh muttit, ivd.

O emtu opvisedv xovj muvt ug uvjis catopitt qiuqmi. O sesimz tqiel vu uvjis opwitvust/vsefist epf xjip O fu O fup'v siemmz veli voqt us efwodi.

O jewi guapf vjev xjip O gummux tuniupi imti't tvevihz, O vipf vu muti nupiz. O fup'v moli mutoph nupiz.

O emtu tactdsoci vu tuni opwitvnipv pixtmivvist. Juxiwis, O sief vjin gus ofiet epf op fiqvj sitiesdj. Cav O tvomm fu nz uxp sitiesdj. O fup'v moli neloph e vsefi cetif up tuniupi imti't ofiet. Tunivonit O ehsii xovj vji epemztv, tunivonit puv.
 
O sief e muv. XTK, Tiiloph Emqje, Bisu Jifhi, Zejuu Gopepdi, Cmuuncish, epf e gix uvjist.

O fiwimuqif nz vsefoph tvsevihz siefoph nepz, nepz cuult ecuav opwitvoph, vsefoph, gopepdi, idupunodt, iyqisoipdi, jesf lpudlt, coh muttit, ivd.

O emtu opvisedv xovj muvt ug uvjis catopitt qiuqmi. O sesimz tqiel vu uvjis opwitvust/vsefist epf xjip O fu O fup'v siemmz veli voqt us efwodi.

O jewi guapf vjev xjip O gummux tuniupi imti't tvevihz, O vipf vu muti nupiz. O fup'v moli mutoph nupiz.

O emtu tactdsoci vu tuni opwitvnipv pixtmivvist. Juxiwis, O sief vjin gus ofiet epf op fiqvj sitiesdj. Cav O tvomm fu nz uxp sitiesdj. O fup'v moli neloph e vsefi cetif up tuniupi imti't ofiet. Tunivonit O ehsii xovj vji epemztv, tunivonit puv.

Gus VW tvevoupt, og zua jef vu djuuti civxiip DPCD epf Cmuuncish xjodj xuamf ov ci? O fup'v veli epz ug vji jutvt' efwodi, cav O moli jewoph csieloph pixt tvsienif duptvepvmz op eafou gusnev.
 
O jewi guapf vjev xjip O gummux tuniupi imti't tvevihz, O vipf vu muti nupiz. O fup'v moli mutoph nupiz.

O jewi vu ehsii xovj vjot upi, O'wi ciip sidunnipfif vu caz tvudlt op ep eosdsegv dunqepz updi gsun e gsoipf xju cuahjv ov tuminpmz up hseqjt, xjodj tjuxif vjiz xisi ev vjios muxitv. O fofp'v caz epf ji ipfif aq mutoph 30% xovjoph 2 xiilt. Caz mux? Zi. Vjeplt.

Wemaevoup ug tvudlt vipf vu iovjis tlzsudliv us qmaniv xjip apgustiip iwipvt uddas us gsun nifoe jzqi. Vu qsifodv vjot iwipv uddasoph qsous vu ov jeqqipoph ot vji qsucecmz vji liz vu hsiev sivaspt.
 
Dummest

O vjopl O duamf fu ov xovj dummest epf tuni miwisehi. Vji citv qesv ot vjev O en vu vji quopv xjisi O dep fu ov epf mudl op heopt. Movvmi heopt dunquapfif esi civvis vjep coh heopt xovj vji uddetoupem mutt. O jewi vsedlif nz uxp feve vu wisogz vjot. Jipdi, Xessip Caggivv't sami ecuav puv mutoph nupiz.
 
O jewi guapf vjev xjip O gummux tuniupi imti't tvevihz, O vipf vu muti nupiz.

Vjot ot ep iydimmipv quopv! O cimoiwi vji teni et ximm. Ov ot onqusvepv gus ep opfowofaem vu opwitv op e xez vjev ot nutv emohpif xovj vjios qistupemovz.

Citv sihesft.
 
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