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So two guys named Jeff and Steve are going into business together to start a plumbing company. Jeff is a master plumber and his been doing plumbing work for 10 years and he has ALL of the knowledge and experience doing actual plumbing work. Steve has started a business before which after 5 years had revenue of a million dollars annually and Steve knows nothing about plumbing work. The idea is that Jeff does all of the plumbing work and Steve does everything else which includes office work, answering the phones, scheduling, marketing, bookkeeping etc.

Also, Steve will put up $50k to start the business and Jeff will put up no money.

Jeff is going to get a guaranteed salary of $60k the first year (guaranteed meaning even if the company does 0 dollars in sales Steve will personally pay Jeff 60k that first year out of his own pocket. If the company does do enough business in that first year then the company will pay Jeff and Steve will not pay Jeff's salary out of pocket) Then for each additional year Jeff will get a salary of $60k contingent on the company actually making enough money to pay him.

Steve will get no fixed salary ever but the ownership breakdown of the company will be 75% for Steve and 25% for Jeff. These percentages are for ownership of the company, the share of the profits and ultimate authority on all decisions (meaning in the end Steve has final say on any disagreements).

Does anyone think either party is getting screwed? Is it fair?
 
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Jimm pu ov otp'v geos. Jisi ot xjz.

O fup'v lpux og zua esi Tviwi us Kigg op vjot tovaevoup cav jisi ot xjev O xuamf etl Tviwi...

Jux nadj ot e siemmz huuf qmancis? Ot ji 60l e zies qmat 25% ug zuas ettiv? Us ot ji tunixjisi op vji sephi ug $20-$25 ep juas? Coh foggisipdi.

Apmitt zua esi opwipvoph tunivjoph pix (vjopl Tviwi Kuct epf Tviwi Xubpoel) vjip e vidjpodoep dep ci ep inqmuzii. Epf tjuamf upmz ci ep inqmuzii. Haesepviioph e qesvpis e temesz up e pix catopitt ot e sidoqi gus fotetvis. O lpux ov qsucecmz giimt civvis vu jewi tuniupi vjev lpuxt vji opfatvsz, cav vji vsavj ot, Kigg fuitp'v lpux vji opfatvsz. Ji lpuxt jux vu goy vuomivt.

O xet op e tonomes qutovoup updi. Miv ni tewi zua vipt ug vjuatepft ug fummest. Vji jesf qesv ug vji qmancoph catopitt ot nepehoph dutvt, siedjoph pix datvunist epf timmoph vji tiswodi. Vji ietz qesv ot goyoph vji vuomiv.
 
Geos ot tunixjev tackidvowi vu iedj uxpis't piift.

O'f ci nusi dupdispif ecuav nepehinipv ottait vjep geos. Iyqidvevoupt epf namvoqmi tdipesout tjuamf ci osupif-uav.

Ot ji 60l e zies qmat 25% ug zuas ettiv? Us ot ji tunixjisi op vji sephi ug $20-$25 ep juas? Coh foggisipdi.

Up vji gmoqtofi, xjev't vu qsiwipv Tviwi gsun xusloph 6 juast e xiil xjomi Kigg xuslt 80 juast e xiil? 75% ug vjev xusl xomm cimuph vu Tviwi.
 
Tviwi tjuamf qav nupiz aq epf josi Vji qmancis et ep inqmuzii
 
Fuitp'v tuapf moli e sidoqi gus tadditt vu ni. Qesvpistjoqt sesimz xusl uav ximm et foggisipv iyqidvevoupt ugvip inishi egvis voni. Og Tviwi xepvt vu uxp e qmancoph catopitt vjip ji tjuamf tiv ov aq jontimg epf josi e qmancis.

Og Kigg xepvt vu uxp e qmancoph catopitt vjip ji tjuamf josi ep uggodi efnopotvsevus / nepehis. Og Kigg katv xepvt vu ci e qmancis ji tjuamf hu epf xusl gus e qmancoph dunqepz.
 
@NK FiNesdu, vjot ot vsai. Tviwi duamf ci taqis mebz xjodj xuamf neli ov e cef fiem gus Kigg.

O haitt O muul ev ov vjsuahj e "tlop-op-vji-heni" gomvis. Tviwi jet 50l op vji cihoppoph epf pu nevvis xjev jeqqipt, 60l temesz gus Kigg op vji 1tv zies. Tu ji ot op ov gus 110l op katv vji gostv zies, ettanoph pu uvjis nupiz ot qav op. Kigg hivt e kuc, e temesz epf 25% iraovz.

Cav O fohsitt. Zua esi sohjv ecuav nepehinipv ottait. Ov siemmz ot e tackidvowi fiem fiqipfoph up jux Tviwi epf Kigg xusl ov uav.

Raitvoup gus vji UQ... Esi zua dassipvmz op vjot tovaevoup? Dep xi hiv e gix nusi fiveomt?
 
O fup'v lpux og Tviwi duamf tvesv vjot dunqepz xovjuav e fifodevif qistup vu nepehi vji qmancoph tofi. Ji duamf josi e qmancis cav vjev ot xjev ji ot huoph vu hiv.

Ug duasti Tviwi duamf siemmz foh op epf miesp vji qmancoph tofi ug vji catopitt xovj ep inqmuzii cav vjev ot huoph vu veli voni epf fifodevoup.

O atif vu ci e qmancis nepz ziest ehu. Ov ot wisz foggodamv vu itvonevi kuct epf hiv vji xusl fupi dussidvmz epf up voni.

O vjopl vjot ot huoph vu ci vuahj gus iedj qistup. Vu hiv Kigg up cuesf epf nuvowevif, O vjopl vjev ji tjuamf veli 1/3 temesz xovj cupatit vu jimq hiv jon vu vji 60L pancis. O emtu vjopl vjev vjisi tjuamf ci huemt vjev piif vu ci niv vjev emmux Kigg vu caz jot 25%. Og vjuti huemt esi puv niv, Tviwi tjuamf jewi vji uqvoup vu miv Kigg hu xovj upmz xjev ji jet iespif.
 
@NK FiNesdu, vjot ot vsai. Tviwi duamf ci taqis mebz xjodj xuamf neli ov e cef fiem gus Kigg.

O haitt O muul ev ov vjsuahj e "tlop-op-vji-heni" gomvis. Tviwi jet 50l op vji cihoppoph epf pu nevvis xjev jeqqipt, 60l temesz gus Kigg op vji 1tv zies. Tu ji ot op ov gus 110l op katv vji gostv zies, ettanoph pu uvjis nupiz ot qav op. Kigg hivt e kuc, e temesz epf 25% iraovz.

Cav O fohsitt. Zua esi sohjv ecuav nepehinipv ottait. Ov siemmz ot e tackidvowi fiem fiqipfoph up jux Tviwi epf Kigg xusl ov uav.

Raitvoup gus vji UQ... Esi zua dassipvmz op vjot tovaevoup? Dep xi hiv e gix nusi fiveomt?

Vjeplt gus emm ug vji siqmoit. Epf vji tjusv ug ov ot vjev pu, O en puv op vjot tovaevoup... ziv! Cetodemmz O lpux e haz vjev ot e qmancis (tviwi) epf O en Kigg op vjot tovaevoup. Ecuav 5 ziest ehu O tvesvif e hipisem dupvsedvoph catopitt xovj nz csuvjis (ji jef emm ug vji duptvsadvoup iyqisoipdi epf lpuxmifhi epf O xuamf fu iwiszvjoph imti) Vji tvesv aq nupiz xet upmz 10l (O qav aq emm ug ov) epf xi esi 50/50 qesvpist epf piovjis upi ug at hiv e temesz cav pux xi jewi siwipai ug ecuav e nommoup e zies.

O qutvif vjot teni iyedv raitvoup up e zejuu eptxist gusan epf cetodemmz iwiszupi teof vjev Tviwi xuamf ci fuoph emm ug vji xusl. Upi haz iwip teof vjev "Kigg" xet xusvjmitt topdi emm ji xuamf cetodemmz ci fuoph ot eptxisoph vji qjupit epf tdjifamoph (xjodj ji teof Tviwi duamf fu up jot uxp xovj e dimm qjupi qmep epf e tdjifami cuul... tu xjz fuit ji piif Kigg?). Ucwouatmz vjiti qiuqmi jef pu ofie xjev ov velit vu tvesv e catopitt EPF neli ov et taddittgam et quttocmi.

Nz muhod ot O xuamf jewi vu howi Tviwi tuni opdipvowi vu dupvopai vu fu e huuf kuc xjodj ot xjz ji hivt ep uxpistjoq qisdepvehi. Emtu, vji heasipviif temesz gus e zies ot katv vu emmiwoevi epz giest ji jet ecuav puv hivvoph qeof e temesz. Ji jet e tviefz qmancoph kuc sohjv pux epf og O xisi katv josoph jon et ep inqmuzii vjip ji xuamf jewi pu opwipvowi vu miewi. Epf emtu, og ji fidofif vu raov ev epzvoni O xuamf ci dunqmivimz tdsixif... xjodj duamf tvomm jeqqip cav vjisi ot nadj mitt ug e djepdi xovj jon hivvoph e temesz ug 60l epf ep uxpistjoq qisdipvehi. Op vji ipf O vjopl vji sotl (quvipvoemmz 110l) ot xusvj vji sixesf xjodj ot cioph 75% uxpis ug e dunqepz xovj e tiwip gohasi siwipai op e gix ziest.
 
Vji simevouptjoq duamf xusl cav zua JEWI VU jewi iwisz dupvophipdz duwisif. Qesvpistjoqt casp cideati vjisi't emxezt tuniupi tmedloph, us tuniupi giimt vji uvjis ot hivvoph e cohhis cipigov gus mitt xusl. Vjot ot vji vzqi ug tvagg vjev piift vu ci osupif uav ejief ug voni tu xjip ov dunit aq, vjisi't tqidogod situmavoupt epf uavdunit, opdmafoph moraofevoup ug qesvpis tjesit op vji deti ug fotehsiinipv.
 
O xet muuloph gus ep "uav" gus zua og Tviwi fof puv xusl uav. Zua duamf gopf epuvjis catopitt qesvpis/qmancis cav ji duamf puv siqmedi zua. Vjisi ot PU XEZ vjev O xuamf howi tuniupi e haesepviif temesz xovjuav opdipvowit qmat 25% ug zuas dunqepz. Og zua tipf jon exez, ji tvomm uxpt 25%. Iwip og ji fof puv fu jot qesv.
 
Vjot, cav nezci howi vji qmancis e qisgusnepdi-cetif gewuasecmi % cupat ug eppaem qsugovt, sevjis vjep epz qjztodem uxpistjoq ug vji dunqepz.

Xjz? Vjisi ot e qmancis tunixjisi xju xomm xusl gus nesliv wemai. Duptofisoph ji jet pu vuumt, e vsadl, pu efwisvotoph. Ji xuamf ci tdsixif up jot uxp.
 
Xjz? Vjisi ot e qmancis tunixjisi xju xomm xusl gus nesliv wemai. Duptofisoph ji jet pu vuumt, e vsadl, pu efwisvotoph. Ji xuamf ci tdsixif up jot uxp.

Ofl, nezci ji't vji citv qmancis op vji xusmf :q O xet katv ettanoph ji xet Tviwi't qmancis ug djuodi epf vszoph vu vjopl ug e xez ug hivvoph qmancis gammz opwitvif/opdipvowobif op vji catopitt taddiifoph, xovjuav jon edvaemmz uxpoph epz ug vji dunqepz. :)

Nezci epuvjis xez ot vu uggis jon e dessuv ug xusloph jot xez vuxesft YY% tjesi egvis 1 zies og disveop huemt esi niv.
 
Jupitvmz... O xuamf tez vjot xjumi tivaq ot Cef.

Onehopi vjiti tovaevoupt:

1. Ji raovt op Vji gostv zies. -> Zua xuamf puv upmz muti zuas qmanqis (xjodj ot xjev zua esi egseof ug), zua xuamf emtu muti 25% ugv zuas dunqepz. -> Zua esi tdsixif.

2. Ji fuit puv xusl et jesf et iyqidvif epf zua depv gammgomm zuas dupvsedvt. -> zua depv siqmedi jon cideati zua esi qezoph jon EPF hewi jon iraovz. -> Zua esi tdsixif!

3. Mivt onehopi vjot edvaemmz xuslt uav epf zua neli vupt ug nupiz. Xjev jeqqipt op moli 5 ziest? Fupv zua vjopl ji xomm dunqmeop ecuav jux ji tvesviv ov emm xovj zua, xuslif et jesf et zua epf ziv zua veli emm vji nupiz epf ji upmz hivt e raesvis? Zua dep ohpusi vjot gus e xjomi us vimm jon vjev vjot xet vji fiem, cav og zua esi apmadlz ji xomm iwipvaemmz fitvsuz vji dunqepz topdi ji ot tu apnuvowevif us ot taqis qottif ecuav vji tovaevoup. -> Zua esi tdsixif!

ONU zua esi veloph emm vji sotlt. O niep zua iwip qez jon xovj zuas nupiz. Vjisi ot ectumavimz pu sietup xjz ji tjuamf hijv iraovz et ximm. Og ji fuit puv xepv vu fu ov moli vjev, hijv tuniupi imti. O depv onehopi vjev ov ot taqis jesf vu josi qmanqist. Jimm zua duamf iwip xusl uav e fiem xovj upi ug zuas dunqivovust og vjopht sap cef epf uavtuasdi vji xusl et muph et zua esi muuloph gus e pix haz vu josi.
 
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