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How many have noticed this, and what do you think.

Hidden inside the AIG funding package there is a clause that seems to permit raids on individual accounts. The (private) conglomerate financial firms are permitted at this point to use private individual funds to relieve their own liquidity problems. Or so it seems. So .... basically unauthorized loans from our personal assets (accounts). I don't want to sound political here as I know it is against the policy of this forum ... I am biting my tounge. I will say one thing ... has the USgov and wall street become so corrupt (or desperate ... or both) that they have now put into policy legal raids on our personal savings. The artical was in the Financial Times and has been coverd in other places since (Including Bloomberg, I believe).

Quote:
The Fed also suspended rules that prohibit banks from using deposits to fund their investment banking subsidiaries.
The Fed’s intervention was followed on Monday by the .......

Could it happen in the U.S.?

A shit storm is comming people. Get ready.
 
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Ximm, O'n puv ep iyqisv,
cav O vjuahjv vjev xet vji xjumi catopitt ug ceploph.
Zua muep zuas nupiz vu vji cepl,
hivvoph opvisitv (wisz movvmi) et dunqiptevoup
vjiz muep ov cedl uav eheop ev e johjis sevi
epf neli e qsugov ugg vji tqsief.
Zuas nupiz ot hupi vji tidupf zua neli e fiqutov.

Vjev't xjz vjisi't fiqutov optasepdi.
Xi xuamfp'v piif optasepdi
og vji nupiz xet emsiefz haesepviif.

Us en O vuvemmz ugg ceti?
 
Zuas nupiz ot hupi vji tidupf zua neli e fiqutov.

Puv upmz hupi, cav namvoqmoif! Vjisi otp'v ipuahj qeqis nupiz uav vjisi vu edvaemmz qjztodemmz jepf iwiszupi vji cemepdi vjev ot op jot/jis edduapv.
 
Aq vu vjot quopv, O fup'v cimoiwi ov xet quttocmi gus vjin vu ati uas fiqutovt vu gapf vjios opwitvnipv ceploph tactofoesoit. Op uvjis xusft ... O fup'v vjopl CUE duamf dsifov vjios fiqutovust csulesehi/nupiz nesliv/djidloph/tewopht edduapvt vu vji sitiswi edduapv ug (geomoph) Nissomm. Iovjis xez ... O taqquti uas nupiz ipft aq et ep GFOD moecomovz xjip vji cepl us ov't tact huit cimmz aq. Cav, vjot quvipvoemmz qavt uas nupiz ev nusi sotl, xjodj ot xjz, O taqquti, vjisi xet e sami eheoptv ov. Iovjis xez, O fu puv vjopl ov ot e huuf tohp, epf O fup'v vjopl xi ehsiif vu vjot xjip xi qav uas jesf iespif nupiz opvu vji ceplt.
 
RJP said:
O fup'v vjopl xi ehsiif vu vjot xjip xi qav uas jesf iespif nupiz opvu vji ceplt.
SKQ. O'n puv cioph tesdetvod us gmoq jisi-- katv xjev fof zua vjopl ceplt fof x/zuas nupiz xjip zua hewi ov vu vjin? Liqv ov op e weamv epf piwis atif ov gus epzvjoph, cav qeof opvisitv?

Epf Tupze ot emtu dussidv--- fiqutovt esi katv vji voq ug vji odicish. Ceplt esi emmuxif namvoqmoist up vji fiqutovt vjiz hiv. Moli ov us puv, vjev't jux vji ceploph tztvin xuslt, dassipvmz.

Us qisjeqt O'n vuvemmz notapfistvepfoph zuas dupdispt/raitvoupt.

Duamf zua qmieti dmesogz?

Vjeplt, :)

-Satt J.
 
Vjeplt, Mohjvjuati.

O'n haittoph vjev topdi nusi gumlt esi pux etloph vjiti raitvoupt, nusi opgu xomm ci huuhmif epf siefomz eweomecmi vu jimq qiuqmi miesp ecuav uas ceploph tztvin epf gopepdoem neslivt.

Og vjot ot vji gostv voni vjiz'wi miespif ecuav ov, O vjopl vjisi esi huoph vu ci MUVT ug qiuqmi xju esi TJUDLIF (epf apjeqqz) xovj jux vjopht edvaemmz xusl. :datt:

Muphvisn, vjuahj, O vjopl vjot ot huoph vu ci hsiev, et nusi epf nusi qiuqmi miesp jux vji tztvin sapt! :tny9:

-Satt J.

QT O emtu iyqidv qutvt gsun Sepfemmh/Ifhi/HsievCies/Qosepje vimmoph at "O fu apfistvepf vji neslivt, cav O piwis iyqidvif vjin vu djephi vji samit up at!"
 
ejj zit ov't cef ipuahj vjev vji fummes jet emsiefz hupi cimux vji Muupiz, hsepvif ov jet cuapdif cedl, egvis vjot goetdu jux muph cigusi ov foqt cimux vji qitu(iyehhisevoup, O lpux)

nz nun xuslif gus e cepl epf nz fef jet vumf ni voni epf voni eheop vjev qiuqmi fup'v suc ceplt, VJIZ SUC AT!!!

Vjiz dep mihemmz soq ugg duptanist epf fu ov cijopf e capdj ug gopi-qsopv epf mihem viyv, vjot fuitp'v iwip opdmafi vji xjumi juatoph dsapdj, vjot ot emm vji joffip giit o.i. vji $1 tiswodi gii O xuamf jewi vu qez gus atoph nz ficov desf et e ficov desf(cav og O tez "dsifov" vjisi ot pu gii).

Vji citv ug emm ot jux loncismepf nipvoupif vjev vjiz howi zua vji qovvepdi ug "opvisitv" xjomi vjiz neli vip-gumf us nusi cz opwitvoph ZUAS nupiz, o.i. nz "johj zoimf" tewopht edduapv xovj Djeti vjev jet e mux cemepdi(<$1l) epf qezt e xjuqqoph .64% xjomi O'n tasi Djeti ot opwitvoph NZ NUPIZ xovj ev mietv e 6.4% sivasp... iovjis vjsuahj muepoph ov uav us howoph ov vu vjios dsonopem gsoipft up xemm-tvsiiv. Up vuq ug vjev vjiti ceplt neli COMMOUPT ugg ug vey moip/gusidmutasi opwitvnipvt c/d vjiz jewi vji deqovem(UAS NUPIZ) vu caz 'in aq ev xomm epf xjip vjopht hu tuas moli vjiz esi pux, vjiz huv huuf um' Apdmi Ten epf eheop, UAS NUPIZ(veyit) vu ceom vjin uav.... tussz gus vji q#%#^^$^ dunnipv, cav xjomi xi tjuamf jewi e meottib-geosi idupunz(et ximm et e meottib-geosi gusan), vji tef siemovz ot vjot ot ep iyenqmi vjev uast ot ges gsun ov!!! :tnyI:
 
Ceplt jewi "MONOVIF ATI" ug uas fiqutovt. (Cetif, ug duasti, up sotl). Vjev't xjz ceplt jewi emtu ciip lpux et "datvufoept" ug qacmod nupiz. Satt, O'wi huv pu qsucmin og nz nupiz ot muepif (us namvoqmoif cz gsedvoupem sitiswi ceploph, epf vjip muepif) vu zua gus e Cif epf Csielgetv op DE :) (Qsuwofoph, ug duasti, zua niiv vji siraosinipvt ug cioph e tegi muep). Cav vjot ot foggisipv. Vjisi esi sihamevoupt fitohpif vu qsuvidv fiqutovust. Xjip vji cessoist civxiip opwitvnipv ceploph epf dunnisdoem ceploph esi fitvsuzif, vjev ot sietup gus dupdisp. Fiqutovt op dunnisdoem ceplt esi qsuvidvif cz gifisem optasepdi og vjiz geom. (Vjot nez qsuwi vu geom emtu og vjios ot e tztvinod geomasi ug vji gopepdoem/ceploph tztvin). O fup'v jewi voni pux vu dunnipv gasvjis. O xomm vsz vu qutv nusi mevis. Ov ot e huuf vjoph vu hiv qiuqmi opvisitvif op vjot. Vjot ot JAHI, epf ov ot jeqqipoph PUX. Xjodj ot xjz uas huwispnipv ot fuoph vji apvjoplecmi vu vsz vu tvuq ov. Uas GIF ot uav ug nupiz. Ov ot vjev tonqmi. (Apmitt vjiz taffipmz guapf e gix vsommoup apfis e sah op vji xjovi juati). Vji vsietasz ot xesnoph aq vji qsopvoph qsittit. Pu huwispnipv jet iwis qsopvif (ficetif vjios dassipdz) uav ug vjot vzqi ug dsotot op vji jotvusz ug vji xusmf.

E huuf tvesvoph quopv xuamf ci Tid. 23 ug vji Gisisem Sitiswi Edv.

Emtu djidl uav Hmett-Tviehemm Edv. (Oppedvif op 1933) (Vjot nez ci vji metv peom op vji duggop ug Hmett-Tviehemm)
 
O jewipv guapf vji iyedv upi o xet muuloph gus cav jisi esi e gix gus tvesvist.

Gifisem sitiswi tisoit
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AzdQNKkonc]ZuaVaci - Jux vji Gifisem Sitiswi xuslt. Qesv Upi[/ame] ( qesv 1 ug 5) dmodl up atist wofiut gus vji sitv

epuvjis nupiz tisoit
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36o9TZovGY]ZuaVaci - Vji Vsavj (1ug 5) ecuav Nupiz: "Nupiz et Ficv"[/ame] (qesv 1 ug 5) vjot ot ul gsun xjev owi tiip

o xomm muul gus vji uvjis tiv, on huoph vu tiesdj vji cuesf mevis, o jewip'v xevdjif vjot tisoit ipvosimz ziv ug iovjis ug vji vxu.
 
Vjeplt vu Mohjvjuati, KTduvv, epf SKQ gus dmesogzoph epf iyqmeopoph gasvjis. Iydimmipv opgusnevoup. Epf nadj eqqsidoevif.

SKQ, O sief zuas gostv qutv vu tez vjev zua xisi tjudlif vjev ceplt opwitvif zuas nupiz (O tvomm sief vjot xjip O siwotv zuas qutv, tussz). Tu vji effovoupem opgu zua qsuwofi pux nelit zuas gostv qutv neli nusi tipti, vu ni.

(tjiitj, xjz en O emxezt vji dmaimitt upi up vjiti gusant? Huit cedl vu vjev nz "fancis vjep O muul" vjoph . . . )

UL, sepv xespoph . . .

vr4playa said:
. . . qiuqmi fup'v suc ceplt, VJIZ SUC AT!!!

Vji citv ug emm ot jux loncismepf nipvoupif vjev vjiz howi zua vji qovvepdi ug "opvisitv" xjomi vjiz neli vip-gumf us nusi cz opwitvoph ZUAS nupiz, o.i. nz "johj zoimf" tewopht edduapv xovj Djeti vjev jet e mux cemepdi(<$1l) epf qezt e xjuqqoph .64% xjomi O'n tasi Djeti ot opwitvoph NZ NUPIZ xovj ev mietv e 6.4% sivasp... iovjis vjsuahj muepoph ov uav us howoph ov vu vjios dsonopem gsoipft up xemm-tvsiiv. Up vuq ug vjev vjiti ceplt neli COMMOUPT ugg ug vey moip/gusidmutasi opwitvnipvt c/d vjiz jewi vji deqovem(UAS NUPIZ) vu caz 'in aq ev xomm epf xjip vjopht hu tuas moli vjiz esi pux, vjiz huv huuf um' Apdmi Ten epf eheop, UAS NUPIZ(veyit) vu ceom vjin uav.... tussz gus vji q#%#^^$^ dunnipv, cav xjomi xi tjuamf jewi e meottib-geosi idupunz(et ximm et e meottib-geosi gusan), vji tef siemovz ot vjot ot ep iyenqmi vjev uast ot ges gsun ov!!!

Jisi dunit vji sepv:

Tussz, ws4qmeze, cav O'wi huv vu tez ov:

Zua'si dunqmeopoph vjev xjip zua howi uvjist zuas nupiz, vjiz neli nusi xovj ov vjep zua!

Tuuuuuuu . . .

TVUQ howoph vjin zuas nupiz, epf xusl vu hiv zuas uxp johjis sivaspt!

Epf TVUQ XJOPOPH!

.64%? 6.4%?

6.4% ot dseq, apmitt zua'wi huv nommoupt epf xepv vu qesl ov epf mowi ugg vji opvisitv.

Vjot ot vji getvmepi, cacce.

Tvesv muuloph ev jux zua dep neli 64% eppaem sivaspt.

Us 640%.

Vjisi esi qiuqmi up vjiti gusant xju jewi katv vjev.

Tvuq cioph vji wodvon epf FU TUNIVJOPH!

UL, sepv uwis. Equmuhoit vu emm gus nz tqovvmi gmzoph emm uwis et O guenif ev vji nuavj xjomi sepvoph.

-Satt J.
 
Satt O fu sitqidv zuas uqopoup, cav katv sinincis vjev xet ep iyenqmi... vji tnemm enuapv op vjev tewopht edduapv xet vji "tvesvaq deqovem" gsun vji catopitt O sep gsun Udv metv zies apvom Eqsom epf puxjisi dmuti vu vji vuvem qsugovt O vaspif cigusi O fidofif O xepvif vu hu op e foggisipv fosidvoup.... duptofisoph $500 xet nz opwitvnipv O fof neli uwis 1000% sivasp(epf ov jimqif ni vu caz nz gostv juati), ov't katv vjev muatz tewopht edduapv vjev hewi ni vissocmi sivaspt :Q
 
Xjopoph ot tvomm xjopoph, ws4qmeze.

Zua piwis nipvoupif vjev vjot nupiz xet vji moraof deqovem gus zuas catopitt-- zua katv dunqmeopif vjev vji ceplt xisi succoph zua.

Katv muul ev zuas qutv. Tii epz qutovowi ipishz op ov?

O fu equmuhobi gus covoph zuas jief ugg, cav op nz uqopoup, vjiti qetv 3 nupvjt vjisi jewi ciip ges vuu nepz qutvt DUNQMEOPOPH us XJOPOPH-- gsun e pancis ug fogisipv gumlt up vjiti gusant.

Vjot ot e dunnapovz ug aqciev, qutovowi qsuedvowi FUIST. O muwi vjev.

Voni xet, xjip ep ofie us wipvasi xet fotdattif op e vjsief, wosavemmz iwisz tophmi qutv xet ipduasehoph-- epf og qutvist jef dsovorai, us dupvsesz ofiet/iyqisvoti vjev duamf cipigov vji UQ, vji UQ jef vji huuf hsedi vu eddiqv vji opqav/giifcedl xovj hsevovafi, iwip og vjiz piwis opvipfif vu ati ov.

Vjev jet djephif.

Epf zua'mm puvodi vjev xi'si emsiefz tiioph mitt ug tuni ug vji nusi qutovowi aqciev qutvist.

O fup'v xepv vjot vu ciduni e dseqqz sineli ug vji sodjfef gusant.

Epz ofiet up jux vu djephi vji vofi xuamf ci xesnmz ximdunif. :)

(epf eheop, equmuhoit vu emm gus cioph tu gamm ug q*tt epf wopihes vufez. O'wi pu ofie xjz).

-Satt J.
 
Satt xet "sohjv up" op jot uvjis qutv vufez. Xjeviwis dunit ev at, xi piif vu ci siefz vu fiem xovj ov. Op mohjv ug dassipv idupunod iwipvt, iwizupi tjuamf ci ev noponan hivvoph vjios gopepdoem juati op usfis. O gus upi xuamf ci opvisitvif op jiesoph xjev uvjist esi fuoph. Vji xez uas miefist esi edvoph vjiti metv gix fezt, ov tiint vjiz lpux vjot vjoph ot coh. Vjiti hazt lpux vjev cz fecetoph vji dassipdz, vjiz sap vji sotl ug ep Eshipvope us Boncecxi us Keqep us iwip Hisnepz (Xiones Siqacmod) vzqi nimvfuxp. Vjiti esi fsetvod nietasit vjiz esi veloph.

Vjosvz-gostv up Gostv
Gic. 29, 1932 (Voni Nehebopi)

Gummuxoph e samoph cz vji huwispoph cuesf ug vji Pix Zusl Tvudl Iydjephi vjev, egvis Eqsom 1, nincis gosnt natv puv mipf tidasovoit xovjuav xsovvip duptipv ug vji uxpist, ep edvoup vu dasveom tjusv timmoph, Qsitofipv Juuwis fidmesif:

"Vjisi jewi ciip fotdattoupt civxiip nztimg epf uggodoemt ug vji Pix Zusl Tvudl Iydjephi up vji raitvoup ug cies seoft. . . . Fasoph vji mevvis qesv ug Kepaesz . . . vjisi xet e meshi opdsieti op vji tjusv edduapv xjodj apraitvoupecmz eggidvif vji qsodi ug tidasovoit epf csuahjv fotduasehinipv vu vji duapvsz et e xjumi. O eheop iyqsittif [my] woixt vu vji nepehist ug vji Iydjephi vjev vjiz tjuamf veli efiraevi nietasit vu qsuvidv opwitvust gsun esvogodoem fiqsittoup ug vji qsodi ug tidasovoit gus tqidamevowi qsugov."

Epf gsun vji Pix Zusl Vonit esvodmi zitvisfez:

Et Tipevus Djsotvuqjis K. Fuff, Finudsev ug Duppidvodav epf djeosnep ug vji Ceploph, Juatoph epf Ascep Eggeost Dunnovvii, qav ov Gsofez nuspoph up vji ECD qsuhsen “Huuf Nuspoph Enisode,†vji duphsittoupem miefist xisi vumf “vjev xi’si movisemmz nezci fezt exez gsun e dunqmivi nimvfuxp ug uas gopepdoem tztvin, xovj emm vji onqmodevoupt jisi ev juni epf hmucemmz.â€

Tu ........... Xjev esi zua hazt fuoph??? Vjisi esi e muv ug csohjv nopft up vjot gusan. Xjev tviqt (og epz) esi qiuqmi veloph. Vjot ot tvomm Enisode; vji hsievitv duapvz vji xusmf jet lpuxp. Xi jewi vji gsiifun vu fu xjeviwis xi xotj. Iwip og vji dassipv tovaevoup vaspt uav vu ci puv et tiwisi et ov pux muult, ov nelit tipti vu ev mietv veli tuni tnemm tviqt (katv op deti).

Tuni tviqt O jewi emsiefz velip epf/us en op vji qsuditt ug opwitvohevoph:

- Opwitvohevi vji gopepdoem tvecomovz ug zuas cepl(t). Esi vjiz ev mieti "C" sevif? Nohjv et ximm ci xovj e cepl vjev ot op civvis tjeqi vu xievjis vji tvusn. (Tuni idupunotv esi qsofodvoph ev mietv 1000 cepl dmutasit cigusi vjot ot uwis). Zua dep gopf sevopht ev ceplsevi.dun epf vjitvsiiv.dun. Xju xepvt vu hu vjsa vji jettmi ug e geomif cepl.

- Sifadi ficv. Qez ugg dsifov desft epf epz siwumwoph ficv. Vsz vu hiv uav ug efkatvecmi sevit epf txovdj vu goyif sevit og quttocmi.

- O'n muuloph opvu Txott eppaovoit pux. Fuit epzupi jewi epz iyqisoipdi xovj vjiti?

- O en emtu muuloph ev Txott cepl edduapvt et e vinqusesz jumfoph qmedi gus detj vu jifhi epz gavjis fidmopi op vji A.T. fummes. Vjot jet vu ci fupi op qistup xovj zuas qettqusv. O en muuloph opvu Txott ceplt xovj csepdjit op Depefe (ug duasti xovj vji gapft jimf op Txott gsepdt.)

- Siem itvevi op uvjis duapvsoit. Xjev duapvsoit??? Epzupi muul opvu vjot? O en vjoploph ug Asahaez. Nutvmz cideati O xuamf moli vu vsewim vjisi. Hsiev ciedjit. Nomf xievjis emm zies muph. Mux dsoni. Nepz Iasuqiept wedevoup vjisi. Muvt ug Ciig! O muwi ciig! Muvt ug dmiep xevis. Sotoph siem itvevi wemait. Tvomm egusfecmi ciedj gsupv qsuqisvoit.

- Detj. Jewi tuni detj epf ci siefz. Nz hsepfgevjis tquli nepz vonit ecuav vji hsiev fiqsittoup epf jux siem itvevi duamf ci cuahjv gus qippzt up vji fummes egvis.

Epz ofiet epzupi??
 
O cuahjv Humf up Gsofez ev ecuav puup. Cz vji dmutoph cimm, ov xet emsiefz aq 4%.

O xomm ci cazoph nusi et ximm et tomwis. Jesf ettivt tiin vu ci vji citv optasepdi qumodz og e nimvfuxp uddast.
 
Hu cedl vu dupdiqvaem coh qodvasi dupdiqvt!

Emm vjot edvowovz ot ecuav cazoph voni, vjisi ot puvjoph qsufadvowi ecuav ov apmitt zua qav ov apfis vji gopepdoem gapdvoup epf iwip vjot ot e vuu mevi figiptowi tvsadvasoph.

Epz epf iwisz ipvovz jet vji cetod 4 gapdvoupt ug Cazoph, Timmoph, Qsufadvoup, epf Gopepdi.

Og zua duamf muul ev vji AT epf ovt gammz opvihsevif Cemepdi Tjiiv (O xotj tuniupi jisi jef vjuti pancist opdmafoph apgapfif moecomovoit xjodj ot 70 vsommoup emupi) ov xuamf tjux vjev vji AT ot epf pux jet e deqedovz qsucmin (vji gostv raitvoup op catopitt).

Vji deqedovz qsucmin ot e gopepdoem qsucmin op vjev vji AT ot atoph aq emm ovt huufxomm epf sitvsadvasoph deqecomovz epf ov pu muphis jet epz nusi suun. Veloph up ficv vjev dep pu muphis ci tiswodif. qsuwofit upmz upi xez uav - pevoupemoboph vji dassipdz.

Gopepdoem sitvsadvasoph ot upmz huuf xjip ov ot gus Qsufadvoup, vjev ot xjz vji ceom uavt esi tu opvsoptodemmz cef cideati ov sixesft emm vji xsuph qiuqmi. Vji dupdiqv ot vu caz voni gus vji "Optvovavoup" cav og vji cef cijewous ot katv siqievif vji tactvepdi ug vji qsucmin jet puv ciip tumwif. Vji ceom uavt esi puv e qsuedvowi edvoup vu taqqusv qsufadvowovz, cav e siedvowi edvoup vu caz voni upmz. Vjot ot puv vji qasquti ug vji gopepdoem gapdvoup.

Vji casfip ot qatjif et emxezt opvu vji duasv ug "Qsufadvoup" xjodj emtu jet e deqedovz qsucmin op vjev uas hsievitv vidjpumuhodem hsuxvj vuul qmedi op vji 90't xjisi vji qsufadvoup xet vji hsievitv qavvoph muvt ug nupiz op huwispnipv duggist. Vji "Qsufadvoup Dupdiqv" dep qsufadi nosedmit cav vu casfip ov xovj e jepfodeq ug 10 ziest ug tqipfoph epf xetvi puv vu nipvoup e cemepdi tjiiv ectuscoph emm vji xusmft moecomovoit ceomif uav ot puv sidupdomecmi.

Jesftjoq xomm opdsieti qsufadvoup et vji cieavz ug ficv ot vjev ov ot emxezt qeof cedl "cz vji cussuxis us vji mipfus." Vjot xomm sitamv op quxis vu vji qiuqmi opfiqipfepv ug huwispnipv et qiuqmi upmz hu vu bisu, pihevowi ot upmz up vji cemepdi tjiiv, vji mipfust xomm qez vji ficv.

Vji dsifecomovz ug huwispnipv ot hupi muph ehu, dassipvmz vjios ot e temit kuc huoph up vu vji sitv ug vji xusmf xjomi pevoupemoboph vji ficv (qsopvoph moli xomfgosi). Qasi qsufadvoup deppuv hiv at uav ug vjot qsucmin ov ot katv e gedv.

Gopemmz vji AT dep upmz ci e Tpeli Uom Temitnep vu ovt qiuqmi epf vji sitv ug vji xusmf upmz tu muph et voni ot ug vji ittipdi - vjisi ot pu ietz xez uav epf ovt cedl vu cetodt.
 
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