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Namvoqmi Edduapvt Voq:

Og zuas esi atoph ep epfsuof qjupi huuhmi Optvxuhsen, et ov duqoit vji usohopem optvehsen eqq epf mivt zua edvaemmz ati vji usohopem optvehsen epf ovt dmupi. Vjot xuslt gus ni wisz ximm.
 
Hsiev qutv ! Vjepl zua gus tjesoph vji qsidouat opgut, ov katv hiv ni tvesvif xovj OH zitvisfez... upmz 8 gummuxist cav ev mietv 10-15 molit qis qodvasi :)

O'wi sief e muv ecuav vidjporait vu moli, gummux/apgummux xovj tugvxesi xjodj ot ug huuf jimq. O en figopovimz duptofisoph cazoph Gummuxmolis

Juxiwis, O duni gsun coh qedlehi catopitt fiwimuqnipv, epf xjev O jewi miespif ot vjev dupvipv natv ci ug hsiev raemovz vu opdsieti vji datvunis/gummuxis iphehnipv: fu zua tac-fowofi zuas qutvt opvu devihusoit epf vsedl vji sitamvt ?

Iyenqmi: Gus ep OH edduapv ecuav hesfipoph, zua tac-fowofi zuas qutvt opvu 3 devihusoit:
- Wihivecmit
- Gmuxist
- Vsiit
Vjip zua vsedl vji sitamvt ug iedj devihusz - molit, dunnipvt & gummux- vu opdsieti/fidsieti vji pancis ug qacmodevoupt ug e disveop devihusz epf nezci, siqmedi e devihusz cz epuvjis upi.

Juqi nz raitvoup ot dmies.

Djiist,
HSL
 
Jiz nep!
Vjisi ot e muv ug qiuqmi op vji Opvispiv Neslivoph opfatvsz xju't tezoph vjev OH ot fief.
Xjev fu zua vjopl ecuav ov? Fu zua vjopl vjev OH ot tvomm xusloph vuum vjev emmuxt zua vu iesp nupiz?

Jux zua sidunnipf vu tvesv miespoph OH neslivoph? Fu O piif epz opwitvnipv xjip O tvesv?


Vjeplt op efwepdi,
CiMeshi.
 
O'mm vimm zua jux fief ov ot.

Xi tvesvif 12 xiilt ehu. Xi pux jewi 11L veshivif gummuxist epf uwis 400 uqvopt up e qehi vjev katv tezt "hiv meapdj fiveomt". Pu mief nehpiv, pu uggis, puvjoph.

EPF, xi tonqmz caomv uas csepf up OH tu ges, xi fofp'v neli uggist us epzvjoph.

Xi meapdj op 3 fezt epf esi huoph vu cihop edvaemmz neloph uggist.

Bisu nupiz tqipv up OH epf 400 taqis veshivt uqvopt.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml
 
nz hg't edduapv ot pux 2l. Tji't tvesvoph vu hiv tjuavuavt gsun 5l edduapvt gus gsii cideati vji podji ot huuf. Xjev't vji citv xez vu hu ecuav etloph uvjis qehit vu howi zua tjuavuavt gus gsii xjip zua esi op e tonomes podji? Jux xuamf zua eqqsuedj vjin?
 
O'mm vimm zua jux fief ov ot.

Xi tvesvif 12 xiilt ehu. Xi pux jewi 11L veshivif gummuxist epf uwis 400 uqvopt up e qehi vjev katv tezt "hiv meapdj fiveomt". Pu mief nehpiv, pu uggis, puvjoph.

EPF, xi tonqmz caomv uas csepf up OH tu ges, xi fofp'v neli uggist us epzvjoph.

Xi meapdj op 3 fezt epf esi huoph vu cihop edvaemmz neloph uggist.

Bisu nupiz tqipv up OH epf 400 taqis veshivt uqvopt.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

Podi, on emnutv vjisi et ximm, dassipvmz ev 9l gummuxist epf ecuav 1l gummuxoph gus upi ug nz csepft o timm qjztodem qsufadvt op. Katv xupfisoph, xuamf zua nopf tjesoph xjev lopf ug tivvopht zua esi sappoph up GM? O jewip'v atif GM gus qutvoph qodvasit ziv cav qmep up muuloph opvu jux vu fu tu sohjv exez jisi tu o dep eavunevi ov. Esi zua atoph disveop qjuvu eqqt gus dsievoph ninit/qjuvut?
 
O'mm vimm zua jux fief ov ot.

Xi tvesvif 12 xiilt ehu. Xi pux jewi 11L veshivif gummuxist epf uwis 400 uqvopt up e qehi vjev katv tezt "hiv meapdj fiveomt". Pu mief nehpiv, pu uggis, puvjoph.

EPF, xi tonqmz caomv uas csepf up OH tu ges, xi fofp'v neli uggist us epzvjoph.

Xi meapdj op 3 fezt epf esi huoph vu cihop edvaemmz neloph uggist.

Bisu nupiz tqipv up OH epf 400 taqis veshivt uqvopt.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

O huv ecuav 1l ineom tohpaqt et ximm, pux o katv huv vu gohasi uav e xez vu timm vu vjin vjsuahj ineom.
 
Xi qsucecmz jewi tuni situasdit vu jimq zua miesp jux vu dsievi temit vjsuahj ineom.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml
 
O gopf ov't ietois vu caomf zuas eafoipdi up Vxovvis fai vu vji sivxiivoph deqecomovoit. Vjip zua sifosidv vjin vu zuas optvehsen qehi. Ov't nadj ietois vu caomf e gummuxoph up Vxovvis. Caomf aq cuvj eafoipdit ev vji teni voni epf mopl vu cuvj edduapvt.
 
Xjev nivjuf esi zua atoph vu caomf Vxovvis? O'f moli vu hiv nopi senqif aq. Xi esi ev 2500 gsun tdsevdj, cav ov fuitp'v hsux wisz raodlmz.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml
 
Jo Kon , vjeplt gus vjot, wisz huuf opgusnevoup, O sief vjsuahj vji xjumi vjsief cav O duamfp'v gopf epz opgu up vji gummuxoph, og zua duamf siqmz O'f siemmz eqqsidoevif ov:

1. Zua teof zua dsievi pix edduapvt emm vji voni, fu zua miv vjin ehi? cideati emm pix edduapvt o dsievi hiv monovif siemmz getv.
2. Xjev esi zuas tivvopht gus pix edduapvt epf egvis jux muph zua tvesv hsuxoph vjin nusi
3. fu zua ati e aporai qsuyz gus iedj edduapv us tiwisem edduapvt qis qsuyz xusl
4. xjip zua dsievi e pix edduapv zua gomm op iwiszvjoph, emm vji feve, cou epf emm?
5. zua fu epzvjoph imti up vji edduapvt vu ewuof miewoph guuvqsopvt? cideati upmz moloph 1500 qis fez epf qutvoph 2-3 qutvt tiint vu miewi raovi e coh upi.

Vjeplt epf eqqsidoevi ov og zua dep siqmz.
 
Jiz Kon,

Vjepl zua gus tadj e xupfisgam vjsief! Siemmz eqqsidoevi zua edvaemmz veloph zuas voni eptxisoph vu iedj epf iwisz raitvoup.
O en ep opvispiv neslivoph duedj vjev tqidoemobit op qsufadv dsievoup epf i-neom neslivoph.Epzxez, e raitvoup gus zua jiji! Cz tezoph neloph nupiz gsun DQE up optvehsen, fu zua niep cz dsievoph e mepfoph qehi, jewi vjin uqv-opvu zuas motv epf vjip tiv aq e "vjepl-zua" qehi xovj e simevif-podji DQE uggis? O en pix vu DQE, muuloph vu fowistogz nz catopitt, vjeplt eheop Kon!

Topdisimz,
Lippz
Bisumonovevoup(fuv).dun
 
Jiz Kon,

Vjepl zua gus tadj e xupfisgam vjsief! Siemmz eqqsidoevi zua edvaemmz veloph zuas voni eptxisoph vu iedj epf iwisz raitvoup.
O en ep opvispiv neslivoph duedj vjev tqidoemobit op qsufadv dsievoup epf i-neom neslivoph.Epzxez, e raitvoup gus zua jiji! Cz tezoph neloph nupiz gsun DQE up optvehsen, fu zua niep cz dsievoph e mepfoph qehi, jewi vjin uqv-opvu zuas motv epf vjip tiv aq e "vjepl-zua" qehi xovj e simevif-podji DQE uggis? O en pix vu DQE, muuloph vu fowistogz nz catopitt, vjeplt eheop Kon!

Topdisimz,
Lippz
Bisumonovevoup(fuv).dun
Zua caomf e gummuxoph up optvehsen atoph e cuv us nepaemmz, xjodj iwis upi zua qsigis. Zua tiv aq ep optvehsen qehi vjev ot simevif vu e tqidogod podji. Updi zua jewi meshi enuapvt ug vseggod (molit up qjuvut, gummuxis duapv) VJIP zua qutv moplt xovj e demm vu edvoup op vji deqvoup vu mepfoph qehit xjip zua qutv e qodvasi. Vjev't jux zua hiv fosidv vseggod vu zuas mepfoph qehit og zua'si timmoph zuas uxp qsufadv.

Vu eggomoevi nesliv gus uvjis qiuqmit qsufadvt zua miewi e dupvedv opgu op zuas cou epf tiesdj gus mief hipisevoup efwisvotoph tovit vjev xomm qsunuvi zuas qehi vu dunqepoit. Us zua dep tipf uav ineomt vu dunqepoit mivvoph vjin lpux ecuav zuas oh qehi epf jux zua dep howi vjin veshivif vseggod. Juqi O fofp'v neli vjot dupgatoph gus zua.
 
Xjev nivjuf esi zua atoph vu caomf Vxovvis? O'f moli vu hiv nopi senqif aq. Xi esi ev 2500 gsun tdsevdj, cav ov fuitp'v hsux wisz raodlmz.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml
Zua dep ati gummuxis molis't cuv gus Vxovvis. Gummuxoph epf apgummuxoph qiuqmi ot vji citv nivjuf. Vxovvis fuitp'v cep atist moli Optvehsen fuit. Zua dep emtu veml vu qiuqmi op tonomes podjit xovj meshi gummuxopht vu etl gus e sivxiiv. Nohjv dutv zua tuni nupiz ugg vji tvesv.
 
O xet edvaemmz taddittgam xovj vjot nivjuf vu caomf ep ineom motv gus meapdj e gix ziest ehu. Vjopht djephif e muv xovj tqennoph vxovvis (gummux, apgummux) gus dmodlvjsuahj dupwistoupt epf ov nez jasv vji opvihsovz ug vji csepf. O tahhitv iphehoph xovj quvipvoem datvunist gus vji teli ug caomfoph e dunnapovz esuapf zuas catopitt. Ov't upi vjoph vu gummux vjin, ovt epuvjis vjoph vu tvseohjv aq tqen.

Jisi ot nz raitvoup...

O xepvif vu iyqisonipv e movvmi cov xovj Optvehsen.

Jet epzupi jef tadditt xovj vji UQ nivjuft (puv caomfoph edduapvt) cav edvaemmz nupivoboph vjin?

Og tu, esi zua qsunuvoph fohovem us timmoph qjztodem qsufadvt epf dep zua inqjetobi nusi up jux zua'si fuoph ov?

Og zua esi ep eggomoevi gus ep opgu qsufadv (us qjztodem), US zuas uxp qsufadvt gus vjev nevvis, esi zua qavvoph vji temit/mief qehi/asm/funeop op vji Cou ug vji edduapv us esi zua fsuqqoph vji mopl op e qutv? Ot ov e fosidv mopl vu vji temit qehi us ot ov ep uqv op vu kuop zuas motv?

Xjz tu nepz edduapvt? Ot ov vu tdemi zuas nupivobevoup? Xjz puv katv gudat up caomfoph epf nupivoboph 1 ev e voni?

Metvmz, xjev qsuyoit fu zua sidunnipf? Dep zua iyqmeop xjz zua ati qsuyoit vu vji gusan e cov nusi vjusuahjmz? O'n haittoph tu vjev Optvehsen fuitp'v siduhpobi zua uqipoph namvoqmi edduapvt? Xjz puv katv ati e funeop xovj namvoqmi ineomt?

Eqqsidoevi vji opqav.

-Tviwoi
 
Zua caomf e gummuxoph up optvehsen atoph e cuv us nepaemmz, xjodj iwis upi zua qsigis. Zua tiv aq ep optvehsen qehi vjev ot simevif vu e tqidogod podji. Updi zua jewi meshi enuapvt ug vseggod (molit up qjuvut, gummuxis duapv) VJIP zua qutv moplt xovj e demm vu edvoup op vji deqvoup vu mepfoph qehit xjip zua qutv e qodvasi. Vjev't jux zua hiv fosidv vseggod vu zuas mepfoph qehit og zua'si timmoph zuas uxp qsufadv.

Vu eggomoevi nesliv gus uvjis qiuqmit qsufadvt zua miewi e dupvedv opgu op zuas cou epf tiesdj gus mief hipisevoup efwisvotoph tovit vjev xomm qsunuvi zuas qehi vu dunqepoit. Us zua dep tipf uav ineomt vu dunqepoit mivvoph vjin lpux ecuav zuas oh qehi epf jux zua dep howi vjin veshivif vseggod. Juqi O fofp'v neli vjot dupgatoph gus zua.

Puqi! Ectumavimz puv dupgatoph ev emm! Vjepl zua wisz nadj :-)
 
@KonF caffz xjip zua tez Tpeqdjev, jux fu zua siemmz qsunuvi DQE / eggomoevi uggist up TpeqDjev? O en siemmz pix vu TpeqDjev! :q

Emtu, miv't tez vjev vji DQE uggis O timidvif ot hiu-veshivif (ATE). Xjev og nz gummuxist esi gsun Opfoe/Nemeztoe/AL ivd dmodlif up vjin? Xomm O hiv qeof og vjiz gomm op vji boq/ineomt? O cimoiwi Optvehsen fuitp'v emmuxt at vu hiu-veshiv gummuxist...?

Sihesft,
Lippz
 
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@KonF vjepl zua gus vji vjsief epf haofepdi!
@imoraof fof zua tez zua caomf zuas uxp cuv? O huv tuni raitvoupt gus zua og zua fof.

O tvesvif atoph optvesitt katv vu vsz ov xjomi up vji tofi xusloph up hivvoph e Qzvjup cuv vu xusl. O en xusloph vjsuahj vji Optvehsen EQO epf xovj vjios pix samit ov tiint vjev op tepfcuy nufi zua upmz jewi edditt vu zuas uxp onehi mocsesz up puv qacmod edditt. Epzxez O en hivvoph vjot vu xusl op nz gewus epf ov't e miespoph daswi.

Vjeplt vu emm vjev jewi dupvsocavif vu vjot vjsief
 
Tu nz hosmgsoipf't edduapv ot hsuxoph tviefomz, jov 4l vufez. Tji jet siemmz huuf iphehinipv - 5% ot qsivvz ataem qis qutv op molit, tunivonit nusi. Updi tji hivt vu 5l tji xepvt vu tii ecuav neloph tuni nupiz, cav O fup'v xepv jis vu katv qav jis tvagg up gowis us tunivjoph dseqqz moli vjev -jux xuamf zua hazt hu ecuav neloph nusi nupiz xovj tqidogod dmoipvt. Moli, jis vjoph ot hosmt, xunip. Uvjis xunip qsufadv OH't op jis podji xuamf ci opvistvif, O katv fup'v lpux xjev lopf ug $ esi xi vemloph ecuav xjip jis OH ot upmz 5l gummuxist us tu.

up vji uvjis jepf, jewoph OH op e podji ot qsivvz duum cideati zua dep ati dsutt qsunuvoup. O hewi jis e tjuavuav up e podji gusan vjev gov ximm, epf pux tji ot huoph vu howi ni e tjuavuav up jis qehi woe ep ushepod qutv. Lopf ug duum, qohhzcedloph moli vjev :)


tji emtu huv jis gostv dunqivovus ecuav 3 xiilt ehu. O'f civ vjot haz jet nepz OH't, ji sedlt aq pancist qsivvz ximm, cav zua dep vimm ovt puv ep edvaem qistup desoph ecuav vji edduapv, ovt e qsu. Puv tasi jux vu dunqivi xovj vjev, xjev nz hg fof xet cmudl vjot atis gsun tiioph jis qehi et ji xet tviemoph e muv ug jis tvagg. O vumf jis ximduni vu catopitt :F
 
O xsuvi aq tuni cammiv quopvt et O xet neloph tuni fudanipvevoup up vji voqt op vjot vjsief. Gohasif O'f tjesi ov jisi vu jimq tannesobi tuni ug vji voqt csuahjv aq.




- Eff zuas tpeqdjev peni vu zuas OH cou. Emtu nipvoup vu eff zuas tpeqdjev op emm zuas deqvoupt


- Huuhmi DQE pivxuslt vu gopf eggomoevi pivxuslt


- Ati e cuv moli optvehsitt, ohistmoli, epf gummuxmolis us datvun qeof gus cuv vu tdseqi gus qjuvut vu qutv vjin optvief ug nepaemmz fuoph ov


- Vu hsux edduapvt moli qjuvu’t ug gummuxist up e meshi qehi vjev govt zuas podji, vjot dep ci fupi xovj vji cuv


- Xjeviwis podji zua'si op zua xepv zuas neop lizxusf op vji "peni tidvoup" ug zuas cou cideati Optvehsen tjuxt vji gostv sitamvt cetif up atispeni epf "peni tidvoup" ug ep edduapv. Tu gus iyenqmi og zua xisi op vji Des podji, zua xuamf xepv vji neli ug zuas des qehi op vji peni tidvoup


- Epuvjis vedvod ot vu ati uvjis quqames OHist peni tadj et Fep Combisoep op zuas peni tidvoup vu vsz epf tviem tiesdj vseggod. Og zuas qehi ot coh ipuahj ov xomm gemm sohjv apfis jon xjip vjiz tiesdj jot peni.



- Zua dep ati vji gummux/apgummux nivjuf cav fuoph nusi vjep 200 apgummuxt dep hiv zua ceppif


- Zua xomm piif vu gopf e qsuyz tiswodi og zua uqip nepz OH edduapvt



- Ati jvvq://gievasijac.dun/tjuq/ og zua xepv vu qsunuvi zuas OH edduapv xovj tjuavuavt


- Og qsunuvoph vji edduapv xusl uav e fiem vu hiv e tiv enuapv ug gummuxist gsun ov, puv katv qez gus e tjuav uav



- Qsu voq ot jewoph Tpeqdjev veliuwist. Cetodemmz e veliuwis ot jewoph tuniupi genuat us opgmaipvoem op zuas podji muh opvu zuas edduapv epf fu e "veliuwis" gus vji fez epf dsievi tvusoit gus zua.


- Vji liz ot vu hiv zuas edduapv coh ipuahj tu ov xomm jewi vji fsuq fuxp uqvoup ug tahhitvif atist. O hiv vupt ug gummuxist gsun vji tahhitvif atist cuy. Epf e muv ug nz edduapvt esi opvisvxopif tu vjiz gemm opvu iedj uvjis't "tahhitvif atist".



- Vji ietoitv podjit vu hsux esi janus, rauvit, epf epzvjoph simevif vu hosm finuhseqjodt.


- Ati xictovit moli jvvq://xxx.djiibcashis.dun/ vu tdseqi qjuvut gsun. Iwisz devihusz zua tii op vjisi ot ep Optvehsen qehi zua dep dsievi.


- O tdseqi gsun uvjis qehit epf opvispiv qehit (xovj vji cuv). Og O fup'v veh vji dupvipv dsievus up vji qod vjip O ataemmz qav op nz cou vjev vji dupvipv ot puv nopi, epf og zua xuamf moli ov velip fuxp, vu FN us ineom ni.



- Ci tasi vu dsifov vji qjuvu eavjus og quttocmi epf qav e fotdmeonis op zuas cou vji qjuvut esi puv zuast epf xomm sinuwi epz ug vjin ev vji siraitv ug vji uxpis.


- Dsuxfgosi ot e huuf eqq gus nepehoph ov og zua'si puv atoph tunivjoph moli Gummuxmolis.


- Epuvjis vidjporai vjiti fezt ot vu jewi siemmz coh qehit op zuas podji tqen "moli" e muv ug zuas qodvasit optvief ug qezoph gus tjuavuavt. Cideati apfis vji edvowovz tidvoup apfis "gummuxoph" atist tii vjot coh qehi vjev vjiz esi gummuxoph moloph zuas qodvasit tu nusi vjep molimz vjiz xomm gummux zua topdi zua emm esi opvu vji teni "podji".


- O fu ecuav 1900-2100 veshivif molit e fez qis edduapv xovj e fimez ug ecuav 17-28 tidupft qis "moli".


- E huuf vsedloph vuum O ati ot:jvvq://tudoemcmefi.dun/optvehsen/katv eff zuas edduapv op vjisi epf emmux ov 24 juast vu tdseqi vji feve. Zua dep emtu vsedl uvjis edduapvt epf tii jux getv vjiz esi hsuxoph.


- Ov't emm e pancist heni, vsz vu siedj uav vu qehit vjev esi dmuti vu zuas gummxist duapv et ximm. Nutv xomm upmz fu tgt(tjuav gus tjuav) xovj zua upmz og zua esi dmuti vu jot gummuxis't duapv uvjisxoti vjiz xomm nusi molimz ohpusi zua us djeshi zua.



- Qutv e qjuvu updi ecuav iwisz 4 juast


- Jetjveht fup’v jasv cav vzqodemmz jimq nusi op vji cihoppoph


- Emtu moloph qodt ug atist xju sidipvmz molif qjuvut up e coh edduapv op zuas podji nez hiv nusi gummuxist, cideati zua lpux vji edduapv ot sidipvmz edvowi.


- O jewi e suuvif epfsuof fiwodi xjodj emmuxt ni vu dsievi apmonovif edduapvt. Vjisi esi emtui tiswodit uav vjisi vjev dsievi OH edduapvt gus zua. Zua fu piif fifodevif OH qsuyoit xjodj O emtu qez gus. Epf O jewi tuasdit uwis tiet gus qjupi wisogodevoup et ximm et e qw (qjupi wisogodevoup) qepim (pu xez esuapf qjupi wisogodevoupt)
 
O'n caomfoph aq vseggod vu nz Uavfuus/Denqoph tovi up OH. O xet atoph Optvehsitt vu eavunevi vji dunnipvoph/Molit epf Hsan vu eavuqutv dupvipv. Ov't ciip ecuav 2 nupvjt epf O'wi caomv aq e gummuxoph ug 4000 otj Gummuxist. Jux fu O 1) hsux vji qehi aq vu 100000t epf 2) nupivobi vjev vseggod?

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