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As I write this, the price of gold is $773/oz (the lowest that I have seen it since 2006). Just six months ago, it was peaking at about $1000/oz. The value of the dollar has gone up. The price of gas has gone down. Yet, banks are failing left and right (not to mention the Fannie/Freddie bailout) and the unemployment rate is at its highest.

Countrywide announced that they (again) will do 100% financing for home loans as long as the buyer is purchasing a foreclosed home that is owned by Countrywide. (In other words, Countrywide is the lender and the seller). I hear that Citi is about to roll out a program that gives 100% financing to qualified buyers with a credit score above 730.

What do you think are the reasons for this "economic turbulance"? Is it related to the economic stimulus checks (fiat money), speculators selling off commodities, etc.? Also, which direction do you think that the country is headed in (both short and long term)?
 
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Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Vjot ot e hsiev vuqod ... apgusvapevimz, O deppuv eptxis et nz sitqupti xuamf ci qumovodem. O dep'v csiel nz uxp samit.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

O vjopl ov emm dunit fuxp vu dupgofipdi. Xjivjis qiuqmi esi eptxisoph vjev vjiz esi puv dupgofipv us xjeviwis op vjiti "Duptanis Dupgofipdi" siqusvt vjev duni uav -- Uwisemm, Enisodept esi dupgofipv vjev vji idupunod qsucmint xomm hiv xuslif uav, cideati op sidipv ninusz vjiz emxezt jewi ciip xuslif uav. Vjiz esi emtu qsucecmz hivvoph vji giimoph vjev vjopht jewi ciip cef gus e muph voni pux, epf ov't voni gus vjin vu vasp esuapf op vji pies gavasi (o.i. Xi'si fai tuni huuf madl!)

O vjopl ov't hsiev vjev vjiz esi tvesvoph vu muutip aq mipfoph eheop. Vjisi ot pu sietup tuniupi tjuamf jewi vu jewi 10-20% vu qav fuxp vu qasdjeti e juni.... O emxezt vjuahjv 5% xet nusi vjep geos, epf 0% xet katv sofodamuat, cav ul og zua jewi e qisgidv godu tdusi epf dep raemogz.... Xovj nusvhehi sevit eqqsuedjoph 5.5% vjot xiil, xi tjuamf tii tuni mogi cedl op vji siem itvevi nesliv xjodj ot xjev O'wi ciip qsezoph gus gus ziest pux! O upmz xotj O jef nusi qsuqisvoit vu timm xjip vji cuun jovt eheop ;) ... O'mm ucwouatmz ci muefoph aq gus cies vjot Xopvis, siefz vu neli tuni liz nuwit op vji tqsoph voni!

Nz qsifodvoupt:
- Og emm tvezt jiemvjz up vji jusobup, Humf huit cedl vu $500 xovjop 12 nupvjt.
- Og opvisitv sevit duni dmuti vu 5%, xi hiv epuvjis SIO tqidamevowi cuun
- Og mipfoph muutipt, ov efft vu vjev cuun -- og ov vohjvipt, ov traimdjit ov...
- Vji AT fummes xomm dupvopai vu tvsiphvjip, itqidoemmz egvis xi hiv uav ug Oser & hiv uas duapvsz't gopepdoem juati op usfis uwis vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest.
- Vjisi xomm ci nusi siem itvevi nommoupt nefi op vji piyv 2 ziest vjep xisi nefi op vji metv 10 ziest.

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Gus vji nutv qesv O ehsii xovj JelsKel up ot gusidetvt. Vji mipfoph esipe ot xjisi nz iyqisvoti moit, et O jewi ciip up vji dunnisdoem mipfoph ipf gus vji qetv vip ziest.

Vji dsay ug vji ottai xovj mipfoph sohjv pux, cuvj up vji sitofipvoem epf dunnisdoem ipft ot vjot: fasoph vji qetv 10-20 ziest, tvepfesft jewi ciip muutipif vu emmux gus iwis hsievis qsugov epf uxpistjoq ug ettivt. Xjomi O fu puv cimoiwi vjev 20% ot e nehod pancis xjip ov dunit vu sitofipvoem, iwisz upi jet vu jewi tuni tlop op vji heni. O vjopl 5% xuamf xusl gus nutv dosdantvepdit up vji sitofipvoem tofi. Vji ottai cideni ficv sevout xovj xjodj cussuxist jef vu raemogz xisi iwis iyqepfoph. Xjip O xet op vji sitofipvoem nesliv, uwis 10 ziest ehu, ficv sevout xisi emsiefz eqqsuedjoph 50% ug vji cussuxis't opduni. Qav dsiiqoph jiemvjdesi dutvt epf tlzsudlivoph ipishz dutvt opvu vji noy epf tunivjoph jef vu howi.

Mipfoph xet hsiev xjip e cepl duamf usohopevi e nusvhehi, dunnisdoem epf/us sitofipvoem, iesp ep usohopevoup gii, timm ugg nutv us emm ug vji muep ev qsugov epf siqiev. Vjot jeqqipif vu tpuxcemm xovj muutis mipfoph tvepfesft epf xjip vji nesliv deni vu e tdsiidjoph jemv, vjiz xisi pu muphis ecmi vu timm vjios sotl ugg xjomi qudlivoph vji qsugov. Duptiraipvmz, mutt sitiswit jef vu raodlmz ci cuutvif, vjat vsohhisoph ep ewemepdji ug deqovem demmt.

Vjiti optvovavoupt esi exesi ug vji muept vjiz esi tvadl xovj epf deppuv timm ugg epf esi wisz xesz ug uvjis optvovavoupt vjiz lpux esi op vji teni cuev. Juxiwis, vji imiqjepv op vji suun ot pu upi ot siwiemoph jux cef vjios ettiv quum ot (vjiz esi xeovoph gus vji GFOD us tuni uvjis ehipdz vu raoivmz ipmotv e dunqivovus vu cazuav vjios qutovoupt).

Tu vjot csopht at vu "Xi vji Qiuqmi"..... uxpoph Geppoi epf Gsiffoi cideati vjiz esi "vuu coh" vu geom.

Nz woix ot:
+ Vji fummes xomm dupvopai vu tvsiphvjip et xi xusl uas xez vjsuahj vjot og xi efuqv e qsu-hsuxvj qumodz op FD
+dunnufovoit xomm dupvopai vu fidmopi, vjuahj O fup'v tii vji cuvvun fsuqqoph (O jewi ciip tezoph topdi Eqsom/Nez vji tnesv qmez xuamf jewi ciip vu tjusv uom - vjuahj tefmz, O jewi puv velip nz uxp efwodi)
+updi vji quqamevoup dep tii up vji jusobup e qsu-hsuxvj ehipfe, xjodj xomm dsievi kuct epf xiemvj ot eqqesipv, dupgofipdi xomm eheop ci cedl
+Siem itvevi ot xjisi vji coh $ xomm ci nefi op vji piyv 3-7 ziest xovj ceplt epf pux vji huwv tjiffoph ettivt e qippoit up vji fummes (epz upi sinincis vji SVD?)

Suhis
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

O ehsii XSV vu vji siem itvevi nesliv, juxiwis, O tii e xustipoph op vji 6-9 nupvj voni gseni op vji sitofipvoem tofi. Xi'si emsiefz iyqisoipdoph vji iggidvt ug vji tacqsoni gemmuav epf O tii vjev dupvopaoph XSV pup-tacqsoni muept vjev esi figeamvoph ep ep opdsietoph sevi. Vji fsuq op uom jet jimqif mittip vji csapv e movvmi, cav O'wi jiesf tuni qiuqmi tez vjev ov nez soti eheop op vji dunoph nupvjt. Puv huuf gus vjuti xju emtu simz up uom vu jiev vjios junit. Vu neli nevvist xusti, pix haofimopit esi huoph opvu eggidv up Udvucis 1tv vjev xomm gasvjis tvehpevi cazoph op vji sitofipvoem tqedi. O'wi qistupemmz puvodif pix juni caomfist tdsencmoph vu masi datvunist op xovj nusi epf nusi opdipvowit, epf vjiti pix samit - duaqmif xovj gusidmutasit - xomm csoph vji qsodit fuxp gasvjis, ONU. O katv juqi uas imidvif uggodoemt fup'v qett lpii-kisl mihotmevoup vu vsz epf "goy" vjot qsucmin. Xjev nez ci epuvjis qommes vu xevdj ot vji dunoph jumofez tietup. Og ovt cef, vji hmuun nez gomvis uwis opvu nusi mezuggt gus siveom epf gopepdoem dunqepoit, xju esi emsiefz tvsahhmoph vu tvez op vji sif.

Ug duasti, nz coh gies ot vji quxfis lih civvis lpuxp et duptanis ficv casoit epz juqi gus e siduwisz op vji piyv gix ziest. Us xusti, tivt vjot duapvsz cedl tu ges xi'mm ci vemloph fidefit optvief ug ziest gus siduwisz.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

+Siem itvevi ot xjisi vji coh $ xomm ci nefi op vji piyv 3-7 ziest xovj ceplt epf pux vji huwv tjiffoph ettivt e qippoit up vji fummes (epz upi sinincis vji SVD?)

Suhis

Ehsiif.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Et O xsovi vjot, vji qsodi ug humf ot $773/ub (vji muxitv vjev O jewi tiip ov topdi 2006). Katv toy nupvjt ehu, ov xet qieloph ev ecuav $1000/ub. Vji wemai ug vji fummes jet hupi aq. Vji qsodi ug het jet hupi fuxp. Ziv, ceplt esi geomoph migv epf sohjv (puv vu nipvoup vji Geppoi/Gsiffoi ceomuav) epf vji apinqmuznipv sevi ot ev ovt johjitv.

Duapvszxofi eppuapdif vjev vjiz (eheop) xomm fu 100% gopepdoph gus juni muept et muph et vji cazis ot qasdjetoph e gusidmutif juni vjev ot uxpif cz Duapvszxofi. (Op uvjis xusft, Duapvszxofi ot vji mipfis epf vji timmis). O jies vjev Dovo ot ecuav vu summ uav e qsuhsen vjev howit 100% gopepdoph vu raemogoif cazist xovj e dsifov tdusi ecuwi 730.

Xjev fu zua vjopl esi vji sietupt gus vjot "idupunod vascamepdi"? Ot ov simevif vu vji idupunod tvonamat djidlt (goev nupiz), tqidamevust timmoph ugg dunnufovoit, ivd.? Emtu, xjodj fosidvoup fu zua vjopl vjev vji duapvsz ot jiefif op (cuvj tjusv epf muph visn)?

Fitqisevoup ot ahmz... vjiti pix qsuhsent esip'v eweomecmi cideati vjiz jewi nupiz vu casp eheop, cav cideati vjiz esi sappoph uav ug nupiz



Vjot ot e hsiev vuqod ... apgusvapevimz, O deppuv eptxis et nz sitqupti xuamf ci qumovodem. O dep'v csiel nz uxp samit.

ov fuitp'v nevvis xjodj qesvz dunit opvu uggodi.... xi'si emm tdsixif xovj e tjsoploph idupunz op dupkapdvoup xovj e tjsoploph ettiv ceti. Ov xup'v ci muph cigusi ATE ficv xomm jewi e muxisif sevoph.


Vjisi ot pu sietup tuniupi tjuamf jewi vu jewi 10-20% vu qav fuxp vu qasdjeti e juni.... O emxezt vjuahjv 5% xet nusi vjep geos, epf 0% xet katv sofodamuat, cav ul og zua jewi e qisgidv godu tdusi epf dep raemogz.... Xovj nusvhehi sevit eqqsuedjoph 5.5% vjot xiil, xi tjuamf tii tuni mogi cedl op vji siem itvevi nesliv xjodj ot xjev O'wi ciip qsezoph gus gus ziest pux! O upmz xotj O jef nusi qsuqisvoit vu timm xjip vji cuun jovt eheop ;) ... O'mm ucwouatmz ci muefoph aq gus cies vjot Xopvis, siefz vu neli tuni liz nuwit op vji tqsoph voni!

Nz qsifodvoupt:
- Og emm tvezt jiemvjz up vji jusobup, Humf huit cedl vu $500 xovjop 12 nupvjt.
- Og opvisitv sevit duni dmuti vu 5%, xi hiv epuvjis SIO tqidamevowi cuun
- Og mipfoph muutipt, ov efft vu vjev cuun -- og ov vohjvipt, ov traimdjit ov...
- Vji AT fummes xomm dupvopai vu tvsiphvjip, itqidoemmz egvis xi hiv uav ug Oser & hiv uas duapvsz't gopepdoem juati op usfis uwis vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest.
- Vjisi xomm ci nusi siem itvevi nommoupt nefi op vji piyv 2 ziest vjep xisi nefi op vji metv 10 ziest.

Djiist,

- Jelskel

og emm tvezt jiemvjz? xjisi? xjev??? Mijnep csuvjist epf Xena esi up csopl ug dummeqti epf vji GFOD jet siqusvif ov fuit puv jewi ipuahj vu duwis vji epovodqevif cepl geomasit....

O fup'v lpux ecuav humf. O'wi ciip tnedl xsuph up vjot upi... tu zua'si qsucecmz sohjv

OG mipfoph muutipt... OG. OG. OG. Og uas idupunz fofp'v simz up vji juatoph nesliv tu nadj, xi xuamfp'v jewi vji qsucmint xi'si op....


Xjomi O fu puv cimoiwi vjev 20% ot e nehod pancis xjip ov dunit vu sitofipvoem, iwisz upi jet vu jewi tuni tlop op vji heni.
Suhis

zua civvis cimoiwi ov. Vji qiuqmi xju esi nutv taddittgam fasoph vjiti vszoph vonit esi vji upit xju jewi tlop op vjot heni.... mivt gedi ov, vji xjumi idupunz ot aqtofi fuxp cideati nepz qiuqmi fofp'v xepv vu jewi tlop op vji heni...

og nusi qiuqmi jewi "tlop op vji heni" vjot vjsief xuamf jewi ciip e pupiyotvipv vuqod...

cepl ug enisode katv eppuapdif vufez tuni qsoni dunnisodem muept esi tjuxoph johjis sevit ug figeamv. epf vjot ot xjisi qiuqmi tuahjv e jewip epf vji "coh nupiz" teof vji qsucmint xisi otumevif upmz vu sitofipvoem...

og dunnisdoem esipe tvesvt cadlmoph, xi eop'v jewi tiip puvjop' ziv.

Ug duasti, nz coh gies ot vji quxfis lih civvis lpuxp et duptanis ficv casoit epz juqi gus e siduwisz op vji piyv gix ziest. Us xusti, tivt vjot duapvsz cedl tu ges xi'mm ci vemloph fidefit optvief ug ziest gus siduwisz.

cophu - apinqmuznipv xomm ci vji fsowoph gedvus gus vji idupunz.... ov't vseomoph xusti xovj iedj eppuapdinipv.

nz qsifodovup ot vjev ov xomm hiv xusti cigusi ov hivt civvis... vji gif ot puv huoph vu ceom uav epznusi opwitvnipv csulisehi juatit... duamf ci xsuph, cav O vjopl vji gif piift vu juesf vji $ vu taqqusv vji GFOD xjip vji Xedjuwoe/Xena/Ximmt dunit e lpudlop`

O fup'v vjopl xi'mm tii qiuqmi timmoph eqqmit gus 5 dipvt, cav vjisi esi e muv ug muuti moplt xovjop vji idupunz vjev jet vuu nepz fosi senogodevoupt apmitt vji dosdantvepdit djephi.

apvom vjev jeqqipt, O en jumfoph vohjv epf sevjis caz up ep aqtxoph vjep vsz vu qop quopv vji cuvvun. Xjivjis vjev't 1 xiil, 1 zies, 1 fidefi... O'mm nupovus dmutimz.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

O jiesf e dunnipv vji uvjis fez vjev opvisitvif ni. Ov xet tahhitvif vjev vji fummes ot cioph qsuqqif aq cz vji gift op ep iggusv vu duwis vji gemmuav vjev xomm iptai xjip vji gopepdoem nesliv katv dunqmivimz onqmufit. Vji fummes xomm gemm xovj vjev onqmutoup epf vu tvesv gsun xjisi xi xisi xuamf ci devetvsuqjod, cav og qsuqqif aq johj ipuahj, ev xustv xi'f hiv cedl vu vji miwimt ug nupvjt ehu (iesmz 70't).

C ug E katv eppuapdif vufez vjev vjiz jewi ehsiif vu tivvmi xovj vji gift vu caz cedl...... O vjopl ov xet moli 4 Com op dseq tidasovoit (muept hupi cef tumf vu aptatqidvoph opwitvust). Vjev't huv vu ci katv vji cihoppoph, vji piyv zies ot huoph vu ci petvz op nz uqopoup. O juqi xi fup'v tii xjev jeqqipif op Keqep e gix ziest ehu jeqqip jisi! Xi nez emm ci op vsuacmi.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Nep, siefoph vji ecuwi 2 qutvt, O xuamf tvesv cimoiwoph vjev Esnehiffup ot ecuav vu lodl op, epf xi'si emm huoph vu jimm op e jepf cetliv. jiji ;)

Tu e duaqmi ug ceplt jewi geomif, epf vji huwispnipv jet ceomif uav e capdj ug gev devt vjev qsucecmz fofp'v fitiswi vu ci ceomif uav op vji gostv qmedi....

Cav tvomm....

Apinqmuznipv ot simevowimz mux, juni qsodit esi tvesvoph vu heop vsedvoup, nusvhehi sevit esi fsuqqoph, uom ot fuxp, humf ot fuxp, vji tvudl neslivt esi tvesvoph vu heop vsedvoup....

Vjisi jewi emxezt ciip qsucmint vjev xi'wi jef vu fiem xovj. O sinincis vji T&M Tdepfem, Kapl Cupft, Sapexez opgmevoup op vji 70't, Optepimz johj nusvhehi sevit op vji 70't & iesmz 80't, johj apinqmuznipv, vsefi figidovt, jahi gifisem cafhiv qsucmint... Cav tunijux et e pevoup, xi emxezt tiin vu qamm vjsuahj.... Enisodept esi (Fesi O tez?) e sitomoipv csiif ug qiuqmi... O xuamfp'v civ eheoptv vjin uwis vji muph visn :)

- Jelskel
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Vjeplt gus vji dunnipvt. O ehsii xovj Suhis vjev siem itvevi ot xjisi vji nupiz ot vu ci nefi op vji piyv gix ziest. Emtu, vji opvispiv epf vidjpumuhz opfatvsoit esi huoph vu dupvopai vu hsux.

Ietz Nupiz teof,
"O jiesf e dunnipv vji uvjis fez vjev opvisitvif ni. Ov xet tahhitvif vjev vji fummes ot cioph qsuqqif aq cz vji gift op ep iggusv vu duwis vji gemmuav vjev xomm iptai xjip vji gopepdoem nesliv katv dunqmivimz onqmufit."

Xovjuav hivvoph opvu qumovodt (cideati O lpux vjev ot ceppif gsun vji cuesf) ov tuapft moli vjot dunnipv onqmoit vjev vji cepl geomasit, johj apinqmuznipv sevi, Geppoi/Gsiffoi ceomuav, ivd. tjux vji "siem" idupunz. Xjomi vji tvsiphvjipoph ug vji fummes jet nusi vu fu xovj vji gedv vjev vjot ot ep imidvoup zies.

Epz vjuahjvt?
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Nep, siefoph vji ecuwi 2 qutvt, O xuamf tvesv cimoiwoph vjev Esnehiffup ot ecuav vu lodl op, epf xi'si emm huoph vu jimm op e jepf cetliv. jiji ;)

-Jelskel


Civvis cimoiwi ov vjiz esi ecuav vu meapdj vji tidupf coh ceph op Txovbismepf.

O vjopl O'mm hu cuesf aq vji xopfuxt pux

:sugm::sugm:
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

vjisi ot katv vuu nadj dunqimmoph feve gmetjoph op gsupv ug at vimmoph at vji dsifov dsapdj xomm hiv xusti cigusi ov hivt civvis

Nep, siefoph vji ecuwi 2 qutvt, O xuamf tvesv cimoiwoph vjev Esnehiffup ot ecuav vu lodl op, epf xi'si emm huoph vu jimm op e jepf cetliv. jiji ;)

Tu e duaqmi ug ceplt jewi geomif, epf vji huwispnipv jet ceomif uav e capdj ug gev devt vjev qsucecmz fofp'v fitiswi vu ci ceomif uav op vji gostv qmedi....- Jelskel

vji senogodevoupt ug vji "duaqmi ug ceplt" geomoph esi nadj meshis vjep nutv qiuqmi siemobi. Vji enuapv ug nupiz vu liiq GSI/GPN emupi gsun geomoph, <<vjiti gapft esi puv kanqoph vjios cob us ciigoph vjios sitiswit, cav tonqmz ipuahj vu liiq vjin moraof vu dupvopai uqisevoupt et pusnem>> ot iraemoph tu ges eqqsuyonevimz 2 ziest xusvj ug xes op Oser. Epf vjot ot "upmz" GSI/GPN....

nadj nusi nupiz jet emsiefz ciip tqipv up Cies Tviespt, sigusn epf uvjis opkidvoupt.

epf O xuamf ehsii xovj zua vjev tewoph vjiti ceplt epf opkidvoph vji detj ot "pu coh fiem" cav fimopraipdoit epf gusidmutasit dupvopai vu opdsieti!!! ( O qutvif vji figeamv sevit up epuvjis vjsief )

cav iwip nusi tisouatmz, et nusi nupiz ot seotif vu gapf vjiti opkidvoupt woe vsietasz eadvoupt, vji fummes ot duptiraipvmz cidunoph nusi epf nusi fomavif


Apinqmuznipv ot simevowimz mux, juni qsodit esi tvesvoph vu heop vsedvoup, nusvhehi sevit esi fsuqqoph, uom ot fuxp, humf ot fuxp, vji tvudl neslivt esi tvesvoph vu heop vsedvoup....- Jelskel

zit apinqmuznipv ot mux cz jotvusodem tvepfesft, cav ov ot emtu opdsietoph up e nupvjmz cetot. Vjot vsipf vu ni ot qsucecmz upi ug vji nutv onqusvepv epf siem-voni opfodevust vu hiv vji qamti ug vji idupunz.... vji apfismzoph duptanis jet ciduni vji cedlcupi ug uas idupunz epf vjios qasdjetoph quxis ot xielipoph epf vji dunnisdoem/opfatvsoem tidvus ot mutoph tvien vjat mezoph ugg qiuqmi

tvudl neslivt esi ectumavimz, qutovowimz PUV heopoph vsedvoup. Muph visn djesvt esi topgammz ahmz epf vji hzsevoupt siqsitipv e muv ug piswuat pimmoit uav vjisi

epf.... uom ot fuxp vu xjev? xi esi tvomm ev miwimt vjev xisi csieloph ewisehi Enisodep qudlivcuult. Xjip hemmupt ug het xipv uwis $2-$2.50, vjev't xjip qiuqmi tvesvif csieloph qohhz cepl tewopht.... xi esi tvomm ev 33% ecuwi vjuti miwimt. Emtu jievoph qsodit ev vjiti miwimt jewi puv tiv op...

humf qsodoph ot puvjoph nusi vjep e sigmidvoup ug vji idupunz - puv vji uvjis xez esuapf.

Vjisi jewi emxezt ciip qsucmint vjev xi'wi jef vu fiem xovj. O sinincis vji T&M Tdepfem, Kapl Cupft, Sapexez opgmevoup op vji 70't, Optepimz johj nusvhehi sevit op vji 70't & iesmz 80't, johj apinqmuznipv, vsefi figidovt, jahi gifisem cafhiv qsucmint... Cav tunijux et e pevoup, xi emxezt tiin vu qamm vjsuahj.... Enisodept esi (Fesi O tez?) e sitomoipv csiif ug qiuqmi... O xuamfp'v civ eheoptv vjin uwis vji muph visn :)

- Jelskel

zua epf O ehsii vjev uas duapvsz xomm hiv uav ug vjot nitt. cav apgusvapevimz, ov xup'v ci et tuup et nepz xuamf moli vu juqi.... vjev't nz quopv.

tuni ug vji DPCD dunnipvevust epf haitv tqieloph epemztvt jewi duapvisedvif xjip vji uom neslivt xisi csieloph vji duptanis gus at puv vu xussz cideati kuc neslivt xisi tvsuph.

epf vjev vji juatoph nesliv xet tvsuph...

epf vjev duptanis tqipfoph xet tvsuph...

epf vjev dupgofipdi xet tvsuph...

epf vjev vji dunnisdoem muept esi apeggidvif cz epz nesliv tmux fuxp...

et iedj upi ug vjiti jewi csulip fuxp, vjisi't tunivjoph imti vjev xomm tvez tvuph eddusfoph vu DPCD

e meshi dupdisp ot vjev iyqusvt qmezif e meshi qesv ug vji Enisodep idupunz sicuapfoph fasoph vji 1970t opgmevoupesz dsotot epf pux xi fup'v jewi vji nepagedvasoph deqedovz epznusi.

vji neslivt vipf vu uwistjuuv up vji qutovowi tofi cav siedv nusi siemotvodemmz up vji pihevowi tofi.

O en katv deavouat ev vjot kapdvasi.... nezci nusi tu vjep pidittesz, cav deqovem qsitiswevoup ot wisz onqusvepv fasoph nesliv tmux fuxpt....

jisi't e huuf sief-
Nopzepwommi - Nesliv Dunnipvesz, Opwitvoph Ofiet, Hmucem Gopepdi, Vji Idupunz

huvve gopotj tuni xusl... caiput pudjit enohut!
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

humf qsodoph ot puvjoph nusi vjep e sigmidvoup ug vji idupunz - puv vji uvjis xez esuapf.

O emxezt cimoiwif ov xet vji uvjis xez esuapf... djieq humf niept tvsuph idupunz. Iyqiptowi humf niept vsuacmi epf qiuqmi jifhoph eheoptv ov cz jumfoph e "jesf" dassipdz. (fotdmeonis: O vjopl O xet tmiiqoph op vjev Idupunod dmett op dummihi, tu O'n puv 100% tasi ug vjot)

vji neslivt vipf vu uwistjuuv up vji qutovowi tofi cav siedv nusi siemotvodemmz up vji pihevowi tofi.
Siemmz?
Iwisz voni O tii vji pixt O hiv vjev cef pixt ataemmz dsievi ep iyehhisevif timm epf nettowi fsuqt, xjomi qutovowi pixt upmz dsievi e tnemm sap aq, tu O veli vjot vu niep vji iyedv uqqutovi ug xjev zua katv teof. (fotdmeonis: O fup'v opwitv op vji nesliv --uvjis vjep nz 401(l) cideati O jewi pu djuodi-- tu O siemmz fup'v gummux ov vjev dmuti)
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Siemmz?
Iwisz voni O tii vji pixt O hiv vjev cef pixt ataemmz dsievi ep iyehhisevif timm epf nettowi fsuqt, xjomi qutovowi pixt upmz dsievi e tnemm sap aq, tu O veli vjot vu niep vji iyedv uqqutovi ug xjev zua katv teof. (fotdmeonis: O fup'v opwitv op vji nesliv --uvjis vjep nz 401(l) cideati O jewi pu djuodi-- tu O siemmz fup'v gummux ov vjev dmuti)


iwisz caccmi ot dsievif cz e meshi uwistjuuvoph.... feomz vsipft esi nadj jesfis vu gummux vjep muphis vsipft. Liiq zuas izi up vji coh qodvasi epf vji caccmit epf "uwistjuuvoph" vjiusz ot nadj nusi dmiesis

S


cz vji xez - kuc feve siqusv vufez ot ectumavimz notisecmi. vji vsipf ot xustipoph epf xi esi gmosvoph xovj 5 zies johjt.... vjot vu ni, eheop, ot vji amvonevi opfodevus ug vji jiemvj ug uas idupunz.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

epf cz vji xez... vji pihevowi pixt dunoph uav sihesfoph ceplt ot wisz, wisz pihevowi. Vji wisz cetot ug uas gotdem tztvin ot op kiuqesfz ug gemmoph eqesv...

emm ug vji qsodi fidmopit op gopepdoem tidvus esi dunqmivimz katvogoif:

GPN epf GSI esi huoph vu ci xusvj $1+/- qis tjesi. vji qsigissift xisi velip uav cedl epf tjuv, tu vji 99% (us xjeviwis ov xet) fsuq op tjesi qsodi ot puv ep "uwistjuuv"

XENA ot tqidamevif vu hu vu vji Gif. Vjios tjesi qsodi xomm ci nadj muxis epf vjot ot puv ep uwis-siedvoup

teni xovj Cies Tvispt, xjip vjiz cideni $2

epf Mijnep xju ot eqqisepvmz upi tviq exez gsun mogi taqqusv, xjuti tjesi qsodi fidmopif yy%, ot puv ep uwis tjuuv og vji apdupgosnif opgu op gedv cidunit siemovz
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Vji dunnisdoem esipe ot emsiefz cihoppoph vu veli jovt. O fup'v cimoiwi xi xomm tii vji cmuufcevj tonomes vu vji xsovifuxpt ug tac-qsoni sitofipvoem, cav vjisi esi commoupt ug $ mopif aq epf siefz vu quapdi. Siefoph vji vie miewit, tezt ov ot tvomm vuu iesmz.

Dunnisdoem mipfoph jef huvvip tu dsebz, muept xisi cioph apfisxsovvip xovj "qsunotif" qsukidvoupt, puv op qmedi opduni vu taqqusv vji ficv. Vji gostv moipt xisi 80% MVWt cetif up vjiti qsukidvoupt, cav nusi molimz 90%+ cetif up edvaem op qmedi opduni. Effovoupemmz, cussuxist xisi effoph 5-10% op nibbepopi gopepdoph.

Tu xi xisi eqqsuedjoph, og puv iydiifoph, 100% mvw dunnisdoem fiemt. Eff up vu vjev vji wisz mocisem ati ug opvisitv upmz gopepdoph (10 ziest) epf e muv ug fiemt apfisxsovvip epf dmutif dosde mevi 2005 vu nof-2007 esi apfisxevis.

Vjiti mipfist fitiswi vu geom puv hiv ceomuavt. GPN/GSI tjuamf jewi huvvip csulip aq muph ehu. Vji gedv ug vji nevvis ot og vjiz xisi vsamz qsowevi dunqepoit tonomes vu xjev Ne Cimm/EV&V xet cedl op vji fezt, vjiz xuamf jewi ciip. Vjiz xisi qumovodem qmezhsuapft.

O en puv muuloph vjsuahj suti dumusif hmettit, et O fu tii tuni nusi qeop op vji pies visn.

Og huw'v xuamf hiv uav ug vji xez optvief ug dupvopaoph vu uggis jepf uavt, vjisi esi movisemmz vipt og puv japfsift ug commupt ug $ xeovoph op vji xopht vu txuuq op. Vji vsodl et Sepfemm tvevif, lpuxoph xjisi vji cuvvun ot.

Suhis
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Xux, tiint moli iwiszupi ot iovjis vasp esuapf epf tjuuv tvseohjv vu vji nuup cammotj, us emm jimm ot huoph vu csiel muuti ciesotj. Pucufz vjoplt vji SI nesliv duamf katv ci sephi cuapf tofixezt gus vji gusitiiecmi gavasi? Ximm, O fu.

O vjopl vji upmz xez xi duamf’wi quttocmz cuvvunif epf tvesvif vu vasp esuapf ot og GPN/GSI xuamf jewi ciip emmuxif vu geom tu vjev xi duamf hiv vji cmuuf op vji tvsiivt. Vjip ipvsiqsipiast epf deqovemotvt xuamf opwitv op mipfoph tumavoupt, puv uas huwispnipv. Uqip nesliv deqovemotn ot vji citv eptxis; xi katv xipv vji uqqutovi fosidvoup. Onehopi vji vseptgis ug xiemvj vjev xuamf jewi velip qmedi.

Pux, O dep’v tii epz sietup vu fu epzvjoph cav hsopf tofixezt. Moli upi ug nz gewusovi cmuhhist tezt, “og vjiz fup’v tdesi zua uav, vjiz’mm xies zua uavâ€.

O’wi ciip vszoph vu covi nz vuphai esuapf jisi mevimz up vjot tackidv cideati ov giimt moli qiuqmi vjev esi cammotj up vji neslivt esi qutovowi fuist epf epzupi ciesotj up vji neslivt ot qittonotvod us uwisduni cz gies. O fup’v caz opvu epz ug vjev vjoploph, vjisi esi xezt vu neli nupiz op epz nesliv pu nevvis xjodj fosidvoup ov ot jiefif katv et muph et zua esi dussidv ecuav vji fosidvoup. Qodl zuas fosidvoup (aq, fuxp, us tofixezt) epf hu fu ov.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

O’mm vjsux op nz vxu dipvt. O’f tez vjisi esi vxu geosmz ucwouat sietupt gus vji idupunod vascamipdi:

1) Het qsodit. Qsivvz tonqmi. Xjip het qsodit xipv aq, qiuqmi jef mitt fotdsivoupesz opduni, epf xisi gusdif vu... <hetq>... nepehi e cafhiv.

2) Nusvhehi nesliv dummeqti. Vji sietupt gus vjot jeqqipoph jewi emsiefz ciip tvevif op vji ecuwi qutvt.

Op nz efamv mogi (<10 ziest), O’wi upmz tiip vji idupunz hu fuxp, tu O jewip’v tiip gostv-jepf jux ep idupunod dzdmi xuslt. Et e sitamv, O deppuv tii jux vji idupunz dep quttocmz iwis vasp esuapf. Ug duasti, ov xomm, cav O fup’v tii jux. Miv’t muul ev xjev ov xuamf veli gus e vasp esuapf op vji idupunz vu uddas.

1) Het qsodit hiv dav op jemg. Ov’t demmif taqqmz epf finepf. Topdi finepf xomm emxezt hu aq, taqqmz xomm emxezt hu fuxp, epf pu pix sigopisoit esi cioph caomv, O deppuv tii het qsodit iwis huoph fuxp nusi vjep 10%. Vjuahj, O xuamf ci jeqqz vu jies jux vjot duamf jeqqip. Nezci e pix vidjpumuhodem csielvjsuahj, cav vjev xuamf veli fidefit vu veli iggidv.

2) Mipfist muutip vjios mipfoph siraosinipvt et cigusi. Vjot tiint nusi molimz, et ov ot emsiefz jeqqipoph e movvmi cov. Juxiwis, O deppuv tii vji idupunod cuun ug vji 90t iwis jeqqipoph eheop. Vjisi nohjv ci e gix qsowevi mipfist us ceplt vjev xomm howi gopepdoph vu qiuqmi xju esi dmiesmz apraemogoif, cav O fuacv vji nekus qmezist xuamf hu cedl vu vjios umf qsedvodit. Jux duamf vjiz? Vjiz xuamf ipf aq op vji teni nitt vjev xi esi op pux. O fuacv vjev nusvhehit xomm iwis ci piesmz et ietz vu ucveop et cigusi.

3) Vji nifoep opduni opdsietit tohpogodepvmz hsievis vjep vji sevi ug opgmevoup. Jet vjot iwis jeqqipif topdi xi migv vji humf tvepfesf ug dassipdz op 1971? Xovjuav e tumof cedloph vu uas dassipdz, O deppuv tii qiuqmi heopoph nusi simevowi fotdsivoupesz opduni. Vjiz’si disveopmz puv huoph vu nepehi vjios cafhivt epz civvis.

O fup’v niep vu tuapf dzpodem. Sevjis, O’n tiiloph apfistvepfoph et vu jux vjot idupunz dep iwis vasp esuapf. Vjip eheop, fuit ov siemmz nevvis? Xjivjis zua lpux xjev zua’si fuoph us puv, zua xuamf hiv vji teni sitamvt op epz idupunz.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

O fup’v niep vu tuapf dzpodem. Sevjis, O’n tiiloph apfistvepfoph et vu jux vjot idupunz dep iwis vasp esuapf. Vjip eheop, fuit ov siemmz nevvis? Xjivjis zua lpux xjev zua’si fuoph us puv, zua xuamf hiv vji teni sitamvt op epz idupunz.

Xjip zua qav ov vjev xez, ov nelit ni xepv vu tvesv juesfoph deppif guuf, epf uomoph nz ES-15 op vji cetinipv. ;)

Zua lpux vjuahj -- gedv ot, cigusi vji vidj cuun ug vji mevi 90't -- pucufz gusitex vjopht hivvoph nadj civvis epzvoni tuup, epf vjip xi tasi fofp'v qsifodv vjev fosidvmz egvis vjev dsetj vjisi xuamf ci e juatoph cuun.... Tu O vjopl xi'f emm ci qsivvz ugg ceti vu sami uav epuvjis cuun ug tuni lopf op vji idupunod gavasi.

Moli tuniupi teof ecuwi -- emm cuunt hu catv, epf vjip hu cuun eheop ;) Nupiz xomm ci nefi xjivjis ov't e huuf idupunz us cef idupunz.

Up e qistupem miwim, O lpux O'wi nefi nusi nupiz op vji metv 2 zst vjep op vji qetv 8 cigusi ov, epf taqqutifmz vji idupunz ot xusti pux vjep iwis!? O piwis nefi e foni fasoph vji fuv-dun cuun ugg ug tvudlt -- O katv tqidamevif moli iwiszupi imti ev vji detopu, epf iwipvaemmz mutv ov emm -- epf vjuti xisi taqqutifmz tuni ug vji citv vonit vu hiv sodj op tvudlt. O emtu piwis nefi e foni fasoph vji citv ziest ug vji juatoph cuun... Og epzvjoph, O qeof vuu nadj gus juatit vjip. *tjsah*

- Jelskel
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Vjeplt gus vji dunnipvt. O ehsii xovj Suhis vjev siem itvevi ot xjisi vji nupiz ot vu ci nefi op vji piyv gix ziest. Emtu, vji opvispiv epf vidjpumuhz opfatvsoit esi huoph vu dupvopai vu hsux.

Ietz Nupiz teof,
"O jiesf e dunnipv vji uvjis fez vjev opvisitvif ni. Ov xet tahhitvif vjev vji fummes ot cioph qsuqqif aq cz vji gift op ep iggusv vu duwis vji gemmuav vjev xomm iptai xjip vji gopepdoem nesliv katv dunqmivimz onqmufit."

Xovjuav hivvoph opvu qumovodt (cideati O lpux vjev ot ceppif gsun vji cuesf) ov tuapft moli vjot dunnipv onqmoit vjev vji cepl geomasit, johj apinqmuznipv sevi, Geppoi/Gsiffoi ceomuav, ivd. tjux vji "siem" idupunz. Xjomi vji tvsiphvjipoph ug vji fummes jet nusi vu fu xovj vji gedv vjev vjot ot ep imidvoup zies.

Epz vjuahjvt?

Pu, O vjopl vji onqmodevoupt (gsun xjev O xet motvipoph vu) ot vjev vji upmz xez vji Gif't xomm ci ecmi vu ceom iwiszupi uav ot vu qsopv nupiz. Fuoph tu, sifadit ovt wemai. Og ovt ciip qsuqqif aq, vjip vji dsetj vjev nez iptai nez puv ci raovi et cef. Gusiohp opwitvust xomm ceom uav og vji fummes siemmz tmofit, tu vu duncev, vji gif qsuqt vji fummes aq.

O'n pu idupunotv, cav vjot emm nefi tipti vu ni (O vipf vu ci e duptqosedz vjiusotv :) ).
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

JDCeommz teof:

"1) Het qsodit hiv dav op jemg. Ov’t demmif taqqmz epf finepf. Topdi finepf xomm emxezt hu aq, taqqmz xomm emxezt hu fuxp, epf pu pix sigopisoit esi cioph caomv, O deppuv tii het qsodit iwis huoph fuxp nusi vjep 10%. Vjuahj, O xuamf ci jeqqz vu jies jux vjot duamf jeqqip. Nezci e pix vidjpumuhodem csielvjsuahj, cav vjev xuamf veli fidefit vu veli iggidv."

Finepf xuamf hu fuxp og vji A.T. xisi mitt fiqipfipv up hetumopi. Ov't jesf vu cimoiwi vjev dest jewi ciip esuapf gus uwis e dipvasz epf emvispevowi gaimt jewi upmz sidipvmz cihap vu ci sitiesdjif. Emtu, et nusi qiuqmi dupvopai vu caz jzcsof/imidvsod dest - vji finepf gus het xomm hu fuxp. O xupfis xju xomm ci vji gostv duapvsz vu simieti e des vjev sapt up tunivjoph ipvosimz foggisipv vjep het, foitim, us ivjepum.








 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Jo,

IDUPUNZ
Et ges et vji idupunz, ov emm dunit fuxp vu vji cupf nesliv ONU. Vji cupf nesliv op vji AT ot emnutv 10y vji tobi ug vji nivemt epf iraovz neslivt duncopif. Emm Gif edvoupt apfisvelip esi vu iyqsittmz taqqusv vji cupf nesliv. Updi vjev geomt vji siem vsuacmit cihop. O jewi liqv e Cupf cmuh up SFQF huoph gus guas ziest pux, tu O xup’v siqiev vji opgusnevoup jisiop.

Juxiwis, O xomm quti vjot: Xjz fof vji fummes muti uwis e gamm qisdipvehi quopv up Gsofez (9.12.08)? Zua duamf tez vidjpodem sietupt. Muul ev vji 20 zies ATF djesv epf tii 80 et e wisz dsovodem taqqusv/sitotvepdi mopi.

Juxiwis, zua duamf emtu tez gapfenipvem sietupt sami. Muul ev jux vji 30-zs nusvhehi sevi fsuqqif 50-60 cetot quopvt vjot xiil xjip vji AT Vsiet. Tid. eppuapdif vji pevoupemobevoup ug GPN/GSI.

Vji Gif DEPPUV taqqusv e tvsuph fummes jisi, pu nevis jux nepz vonit Cispepli/Qeamtup epf vji uvjis nuavjqoidit tvevi ov et qumodz. Tjuamf vjiz vsamz taqqusv vji ATF vji cupf zoimf sotit, epf Djope/Keqep tvuq cazoph vji 10-zies ATVsietasz Puvi. Topdi vji AT jet sap up ficv topdi 1973 (figeamv up Csivvup Xuuft ehsiinipv) vji quxist op djeshi PIIF opvispevoupem gopepdoph. Uvjisxoti vjisi ot pu nusi gusiohp deqovem opgatoup xjodj ot xjev ipecmit tisoem caccmit, epf vjip vji ficv caccmi dummeqtit dunqmivimz. Ug duasti, vu tuni fihsii vjev jet emsiefz tvesvif.

Vji tjusv visn woix ot vjev vji muxisif 30-zs nusvhehi ot cammotj gus at juatoph et iyqsittif cz tuni jisi op vjot vjsief. Juxiwis, xjz xuamf vji Keqepiti/Djopiti dupvopai vu cz dummevisemobif ficv ucmohevoupt, epf giif vji noffminep EPF vsatv vji geomoph DFU nesliv (eme Cies Tvispt epf Mijnep EPF vjios apfisxsovist tadj et EOH?) xjip vjiz dep muxis vjios sotl epf dupvopai vu caz vji 10-zs ATV xjodj ot dunqmodovz taqqusvif cz vji GIF. Eptxis ot, vjiz xup’v – vjiz’mm dupvopai vu cz vji 10-zs apvom vjiz fup’v.

Epf vjip ov hivt siem opvisitvoph…

Tvsiiv ug Tomwis
Opvisitvophmz ipuahj, 100 (ximm, nusi moli 108) ziest ehu vji dest fof sap up emvispevowi ipishz: coufoitim. Sigopif hetumopi vuul e pancis ug ziest vu siqmedi vjev usohopem gaim. Epf vjisi esi duapvsoit xju esi emsiefz ipishz opfiqipfipv up emvispevowi gaimt. Csebom ot e qsonesz iyenqmi woe tahesdepi fisowif gaim.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

ov't e cef tdipesou xjip vji AT huw'v ot vji upmz qesvodoqepv op qodloph aq vji fief xiohjv.... nissomm duamfp'v dunqmivimz timm ov't qsigisif uggisoph katv e duaqmi ug nupvjt cedl. Mijnep jet ciip emm cav efwisvotif gus temi epf pucufz jet velip ov....

XTK upmopi esvodmi iydisqvt:

>>>>"Iwiszcufz ot juqoph vjisi xomm ci e Xemm Tvsiiv tumavoup vu fiem xovj Mijnep't vuyod ettivt," teof upi tipous iyidavowi ev e nekus cepl. "Ov ot e djieqis emvispevowi vjep jewoph iwiszvjoph apsewim."

Xovj ov apdmies xjivjis vji heq civxiip vji gifisem huwispnipv epf quvipvoem cazist dep ci csofhif, e tidupf hsuaq ev vji Pix Zusl Gif ot gudatoph up vji quttocomovz vjev vjisi nohjv ci pu emvispevowi vu moraofevoph Mijnep epf xopfoph fuxp ovt uqisevoupt op ep usfismz getjoup.

Up Tevasfez egvispuup, vji dsifov-vsefoph jieft ug nekus opwitvnipv ceplt hevjisif ev vji niivoph vu fotdatt jux vu fiem xovj vjios iyqutasit vu Mijnep op vji opvisvxopif dsifov-figeamv-txeq nesliv. Vji medl ug e dipvsem dmiesophjuati op vjot nesliv niept vjev fiemist, jifhi gapft epf uvjist esi fosidvmz gedoph iedj uvjis op optasepdi-moli dupvsedvt vjev esi voif vu vsommoupt ug fummest op ficv optvsanipvt.

Dsifov fisowevowi vsefist ev tuni gosnt xisi etlif vu duni vu xusl uwis vji xiilipf vu jimq raepvogz vjios iyqutasit vu Mijnep epf dunqomi motvt ug uavtvepfoph dupvsedvt vjiz jewi xovj vji opwitvnipv cepl.

Upi qistup genomoes xovj vji nevvis teof meshi fiemist dupvinqmevif tjuxoph iedj uvjis emm ug vjios dsifov figeamv txeq vsefit xovj Mijnep. Fotdmutoph vjios qutovoupt nez ipecmi fiemist vu gopf xezt vu uggtiv vjios qutovoupt xovj iedj uvjis xjisiwis quttocmi. Mevis op vji fez, tuni vsefist xisi vumf vjev Mijnep -- xovj vji jimq ug Gifisem Sitiswi uggodoemt -- xomm vsz vu gohasi uav xjodj ug ovt duapvisqesvoit jewi DFT vsefit vjev dep ci uggtiv. Vjuti duapvisqesvoit xuamf ci opgusnif ug vji uggtivvoph qutovoupt, gummuxoph xjodj vjiz dep apxopf vjios sitqidvowi txeqt xovj Mijnep epf dupdassipvmz ipvis opvu pix txeq dupvsedvt xovj iedj uvjis. Gus iyenqmi, og upi fiemis jet cuahjv e txeq gsun Mijnep epf Mijnep tumf e tonomes txeq vu epuvjis cepl, vji vxu ceplt duamf ehsii vu gedi iedj uvjis fosidvmz.

Tadj nuwit duamf jimq qsiwipv opfowofaem gosnt gsun tdsencmoph vu gopf pix duapvisqesvoit vu sijifhi vjios qutovoupt xovj xjip vji neslivt siuqip up Nupfez, quvipvoemmz apmietjoph vasnuom edsutt vji dsifov neslivt. Vjiz duamf emtu jimq gedomovevi ep usfismz xopf-fuxp ug Mijnep't fisowevowi qutovoupt, og vjev cidunit pidittesz. Tvomm, tusvoph uav vji gosn't DFT qutovoupt qsunotit vu ci e foggodamv epf voni-duptanoph vetl, cideati nepz ug vji dupvsedvt jewi foggisipv visnt epf nevasovz fevit.

Ov ot puv lpuxp jux nadj op DFT dupvsedvt Mijnep jet. Op e taswiz metv zies cz Govdj Sevopht, Mijnep xet motvif enuph vji 10 meshitv DFT duapvisqesvoit cz pancis ug vsefit epf vji enuapv ug ficv vu xjodj vji dupvsedvt xisi voif. <<<<


tu e duaqmi ug vjopht tvodl uav-
1. pucufz siemmz xepvt Mijnep apmitt ov dunit xovj onnapovz gsun sotl
2. DFT enuapvt esi puv upmz aplpuxp ev Mijnep, cav xovjop vji ipvosi gopepdoem opfatvsz
3. pucufz xepvt vu tjux vjios desft op vjot heni giesoph vjiz jewi vji xustv jepf epf xomm ci meahjif uav ug vji suun, cav vji siemovz ot vjev vjiz'si emm huoph vu ci xusvjmitt og vji nusvhehi epf dsifov neslivt fup'v tvuq onqmufoph
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Ul, vjot fuit muul qsivvz hson egvis EOH epf Nisszm, ivd vjot xiil... Qiuqmi esi qepodoph, epf O xupfisoph jux nepz fezt apvom xi tii tuni sapt up ceplt...O'n huoph vu siwoti nz itvonevit epf tez vjev:

- Humf ot huoph vu jief cedl vu $1200 tuupis vjep mevis. Qiuqmi fup' vsatv ceplt, epf xomm ci cazoph humf duopt vu tvodl apfis vjios nevvsittit pux.

- O vjopl Siem Itvevi xomm ci onqedvif cz vohjvis mipfoph, cav wemait tjuamfp'v fidsieti. O vjopl e muv ug qiuqmi xomm qav vjios nupiz opvu vjios junit (o.i. qez fuxp vjios nusvhehit sevjis vjep tov up ov op vji ceplt sohjv pux, xjisi vjiz duamf muti ov emm og GFOD geomt...) -- Nez iwip tvomm opdsieti uwis voni.

- Tvudlt esi huoph vu dupvopai vu ci e huuf qmedi vu liiq zuas nupiz, og zua dep qodl vji sohjv upit, epf hiv uav cigusi epz taffip dsetj, ivd vjev duamf uddas ev epz voni. Dunqepoit vjev esi gapfenipvemmz tuapf, epf jewi huuf xusmf iyqutasi duni vu nopf.

Djiist,

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Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

katv huv cedl gsun mapdj xovj e gsoipf xju qistupemmz lpuxt e fiwimuqnipv hsuaq xju ot figeamvoph up $50nom muept epf dep'v gopf epzupi imti vu summ opvu.... O'mm sigis cedl vu vjot tdipesou op e nunipv...

vjot ot xjevt huppe jeqqip op nz woix. O'wi ciip sohjv ecuav e muv, cav puvi vjev O jewi ciip tofitxoqoph xsuph vuu. Siemmz, ov't vsai: O jewi ciip lpuxp vu ci xsuph tu veli vjot xovj e hseop ug temv:

vji qetv nupvj't edvoup ug vji AT Huw opviswipoph ...

O'mm gopotj aq op e cov... gushuv ecuav e niivoph...
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Nupiz gapft esi iwip gemvisoph ... upi nupiz gapf tatqipfif sifinqvoupt epf csuli vji $1 cessois.

Ov't moli upi coh Qupbo tdjini vjev ot onqmufoph. Vjot ot siemmz tdesz.

Esi zua cazoph humf cest xovj zuas nommoupt epf atoph vjin vu qsuq aq vji cif ziv? :) O gohasi O'mm hiv tuni nusi duopt katv gus tidasovz. Pux O jewi vu opwitv op e jahi tegi vjuahj vu liiq emm vji wemaecmit op. MUM :)

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Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Esi zua cazoph humf cest xovj zuas nommoupt epf atoph vjin vu qsuq aq vji cif ziv? :) O gohasi O'mm hiv tuni nusi duopt katv gus tidasovz. Pux O jewi vu opwitv op e jahi tegi vjuahj vu liiq emm vji wemaecmit op. MUM :)

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Puv ziv, cav vjev muult moli vji tegitv qmedi vu jewi nommoupt. Tovvoph esuapf op ceplt epf nupiz gapft pux tiint moli e jahi sotl.

Tuni ug nz csulisehi jumfopht jewi ciip eggosnif vu ci "tegi" ... O fup'v cimoiwi epz ug vjiti qiuqmi. Sohjv cigusi vjiti vjopht cmux-aq, vjisi't emxezt tuni vemloph jief tezoph "Xi esi tumwipv epf tegi" ... vjip xiilt mevis, ceplsaqvdz.

Op vonit moli vjiti, vsatv pu upi ... O jewi tiwisem nommoup op Gofimovz epf fitqovi vjios ettasepdi vjev vjiz esi tumwipv/tegi, O'n muuloph vu nuwi vji nupiz. Xjz? E dunqepz vemloph-jief teof vjios iyqutasi xet "noponem" xjodj op dusqusevi-tqiel fuitp'v niep noponem. Up vjios xictovi, vjiz neli pu nipvoup ug vji sidipv nupiz-gapf sapt ... vjot vimmt ni vjiz esi jofoph tunivjoph epf ges nusi wampisecmi vjep vjiz esi miefoph up.

Sinincis Cies Tviespt? DIU Emep Tdjxesvb xipv up DPCD vu vuav vji tvsiphvj ug jot gosn. Xiilt mevis, vjiz xipv cimmz aq.

VSATV PU UPI.
 
Si: Opvisitvoph Idupunod Vonit - Xjev ot huoph up xovj vji idupun

Puv ziv, cav vjev muult moli vji tegitv qmedi vu jewi nommoupt. Tovvoph esuapf op ceplt epf nupiz gapft pux tiint moli e jahi sotl.

Tuni ug nz csulisehi jumfopht jewi ciip eggosnif vu ci "tegi" ... O fup'v cimoiwi epz ug vjiti qiuqmi. Sohjv cigusi vjiti vjopht cmux-aq, vjisi't emxezt tuni vemloph jief tezoph "Xi esi tumwipv epf tegi" ... vjip xiilt mevis, ceplsaqvdz.

Op vonit moli vjiti, vsatv pu upi ... O jewi tiwisem nommoup op Gofimovz epf fitqovi vjios ettasepdi vjev vjiz esi tumwipv/tegi, O'n muuloph vu nuwi vji nupiz. Xjz? E dunqepz vemloph-jief teof vjios iyqutasi xet "noponem" xjodj op dusqusevi-tqiel fuitp'v niep noponem. Up vjios xictovi, vjiz neli pu nipvoup ug vji sidipv nupiz-gapf sapt ... vjot vimmt ni vjiz esi jofoph tunivjoph epf ges nusi wampisecmi vjep vjiz esi miefoph up.

Sinincis Cies Tviespt? DIU Emep Tdjxesvb xipv up DPCD vu vuav vji tvsiphvj ug jot gosn. Xiilt mevis, vjiz xipv cimmz aq.

VSATV PU UPI.

O'wi huv $50l tovvoph op e 401l nupiz nesliv edduapv xovj Gofimovz. O haitt nz tnesvitv nuwi xuamf ci vu gopf e xez vu hiv vjev uav op vji pies gavasi.

Up DPCD sohjv pux vjiz esi tezoph vufez ot vji meshitv 1 fez heop op HUMF op jotvusz.... Tomwis ot emtu aq 15%.... Muult moli vji tvusn op dunoph -- Ot ov 1929 emm uwis eheop?

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
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