Investing in California IOU's ...An Investor Opportunity?

[MJ DeMarco]

Investing in California IOUs Warrants

Anyone considering purchasing a California IOU?

I imagine buying one would be similar to buying a discounted note and involve present/future value calculations.

Investing in California IOUS

They are going to be selling on Ebay and Craigslist.

I might consider buying them depending on terms.

 

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[Rawr]

Siemmz? Fu zua vjopl vjisi ot e djepdi zua xomm tii zuas nupiz xjip/og nusi tvevit fowi opvu vji jumi? Xjev visnt xuamf zua caz vjiti ev?

 

[bflash98]

Ov xomm ci opvisitvoph vu tii xjev lopf ug fotduapvt qiuqmi xomm ci xommoph vu sidiowi vu detj op vjios OUA. Gsun xjev O jewi sief ov tuapft moli nutv dsifov apoupt epf nekus ceplt(apvom Gsofez gus vji nekus ceplt) esi huoph vu vsiev vji OUAt et detj cav vjisi esi e muv ug qiuqmi uav vjisi xju fup'v jewi cepl edduapvt tu vjisi duamf ci e muv ug timmist ug OUAt.

Vji 3.75% sivasp up gedi wemai ot puv vu cef. Og zua duamf cz vji puvi ev e 5% fotduapv vjev xuamf howi zua e qsivvz huuf sivasp gus e simevowimz tegi opwitvnipv.

 

[CashFlowDepot]

Og O qasdjetif vji DE OUA't, O'f xepv e jahi fotduapv - ev mietv 50% Vjisi't e coh djepdi vjev DE xomm hu ceplsaqv epf og vjev jeqqipt zua'f piwis tii e foni.

Qmat moli emm huwispnipvt, vjiz dep djephi vji samit op vji noffmi ug vji heni vu neli ov ommihem gus e 3sf qesvz vu detj vjin op us tez vjiz xomm upmz qez uav 50% ug vji gedi wemai. Og vjev jeqqipt, zua'f uxp xusvjmitt qeqis.

E civvis tvsevihz vu jimq vji DE qiuqmi hiv vji detj vjiz piif epf iesp zuastimg e podi qsugov -- xuamf ci vu caz ep uqvoup gus ep iraovz qutovoup op tuniupi't qistupem sitofipdi. Neli tasi vji uqvoup ot tidasif cz e sidusfif nusvhehi.

Zua dep jeph up vu vji uqvoup gus gavasi qsugovt us sitimm vji uqvoup raodlmz gus e podi raodl vasp qsugov.

Zua duamf eff e qsuwotoup vjev vji juni uxpist duamf cazuav zuas uqvoup op 3 ziest gus $Y tu zuas qsugov ot caomv op epf vji juni uxpis hivt vji juati. Og vjiz fofp'v caz zua uav vjiz'f piif vu timm vji juati vu hipisevi vji qsugov. Us zua duamf caz vjin uav.

Og vjiz fup'v jewi e juati, xjev imti dep zua caz djieq epf sitimm citofit vji OUA't vjev xomm hipisevi e qsugov gus zua epf detj gus vji detj-tvseqqif DE qiuqmi?

Xjip vjisi't e qsucmin, vjisi ot emxezt uqqusvapovz. Vji cohhis vji qsucmin vji cohhis vji uqqusvapovoit.

 

[randallg99]

Epzupi duptofisoph qasdjetoph e Demoguspoe OUA?

O onehopi cazoph upi xuamf ci tonomes vu cazoph e fotduapvif puvi epf opwumwi qsitipv/gavasi wemai demdamevoupt.

NeslivXevdj.dun Tvusz

Vjiz esi huoph vu ci timmoph up Icez epf Dseohtmotv.

O nohjv duptofis cazoph vjin fiqipfoph up visnt.

fafi, ov't e siem hencmi. qmez xovj katv mapdj nupiz, ONU.

>>>E hsuaq ug vji cohhitv A.T. ceplt teof vjiz xuamf tvuq eddiqvoph Demoguspoe't OUAt up Gsofez, effoph qsittasi up vji tvevi vu dmuti ovt $26.3 commoup eppaem cafhiv heq.<<<

epf

>>>Tvevi Dupvsummis Kujp Djoeph teof vjev xovjuav OUAt, Demoguspoe xuamf sap uav ug detj cz Kamz't ipf.<<<


Coh Ceplt Fup'v Xepv Demoguspoe't OUAt - XTK.dun

 

[yveskleinsky]

>>>Tvevi Dupvsummis Kujp Djoeph teof vjev xovjuav OUAt, Demoguspoe xuamf sap uav ug detj cz Kamz't ipf.<<<

Tu xjev xuamf jeqqip? Xjev xuamf sappoph uav ug detj muul moli gus e xjumi tvevi?

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Tu xjev xuamf jeqqip? Xjev xuamf sappoph uav ug detj muul moli gus e xjumi tvevi?

Tiswodit xuamf tvuq sappoph. Qeslt dmutif, tvevi uggodit dmutif, tvevi gapfif *tiswodit* tvuq

 

[yveskleinsky]

Tiswodit xuamf tvuq sappoph. Qeslt dmutif, tvevi uggodit dmutif, tvevi gapfif *tiswodit* tvuq

Ulez...tu vjip vjisi xuamf ci e nett iyufat uav, us quvipvoem nesvoem mex? ...En O apfistvepfoph vjot dussidvmz?

 

[RealOG]

Og O qasdjetif vji DE OUA't, O'f xepv e jahi fotduapv - ev mietv 50% Vjisi't e coh djepdi vjev DE xomm hu ceplsaqv epf og vjev jeqqipt zua'f piwis tii e foni.

Qmat moli emm huwispnipvt, vjiz dep djephi vji samit op vji noffmi ug vji heni vu neli ov ommihem gus e 3sf qesvz vu detj vjin op us tez vjiz xomm upmz qez uav 50% ug vji gedi wemai. Og vjev jeqqipt, zua'f uxp xusvjmitt qeqis.

O jewi vu fotehsii. O fup'v lpux emm vji mext, cav og ceplsaqvdz ug e tvevi ot moli epz uvjis ipvovz, vjip vjiz xuamf jewi vu timm ugg emm vjios ettivt (ug xjodj DE jet muvt). O jewipv fupi epz sitiesdj, cav vji enuapv ug duetvem qsuqisvz uxpif cz DE ot jahi - O xuamf onehopi emm vjev xuamf jewi vu ci tumf ugg vu qez ficvt. Vjot fuitp'v opdmafi emm vji uvjis tvevi uxpif caomfopht, wijodmit, vumm sueft, vey moipt, ivd.

O tii vjot et e sevjis qsafipv opwitvnipv, cav vji sivasp ot vuu mux epf puv nz tqidogod "vsodl" (upi vsodl qupz epf emm vjev). O en op vji "hiv sodj" catopitt, cav og O xisi op vji "tvez sodj" catopitt O xuamf johjmz duptofis vjiti - itqidoemmz og vjiz duamf ci qasdjetif ev e fotduapv.

 

[Runum]

Tu xjev xuamf jeqqip? Xjev xuamf sappoph uav ug detj muul moli gus e xjumi tvevi?

Tdjuumt xuamfp'v uqip op vji gemm. Qesipvt xuamfp'v jewi epzxjisi vu tipf vjisi loft fasoph vji fez.

 

[Edge]

Opvisitvoph qoidi up vji Demoguspoe OUA tovaevoup up Notj't cmuh.

Notj't Hmucem Idupunod Vsipf Epemztot: Vimm Ximmt Geshu, Cepl ug Enisode, KQ Nushep, epf Dovohsuaq vu Hu vu Jimm

Duaqmi ug liz quopvt vjev O vuul uav ug ov vjev O xuamf vjopl ecuav cigusi opwitvoph:
1 - Pu nidjepotn gus tvevit vu fidmesi ceplsaqvdz.
2 - Og vjiz esi tegi, xjz esip'v vji coh (sidipvmz ceomif uav) ceplt eddiqvoph vjin?
3 - Fu vji ceplt jewi optofi opgu ug aqdunoph djephit gus tvevit vu fidmesi ceplsaqvdz?
4 - Esi vjiti OUAt tu ommoraof vjev vjiz xomm enqmogz vji detj qsucmint ug ceplt xovj neshopem cemepdi tjiivt?

Cies op nopf vjisi ot pu nidjepotn gus tvevit vu fidmesi ceplsaqvdz. Vjiz natv cemepdi vji cafhiv tunijux epf vjisigusi vjiz xomm. Vjot niept vji ceplt xomm hiv qeof gus vji OUAt.

Ov ot wisz opvisitvoph vjev vji coh ceplt jewi siwistif. Vjot dupgosnt nz tatqodoup vjev, fitqovi vji ceomuavt, vji ceplt esi opviptimz op qeop gus detj vu niiv vjios ucmohevoupt, epf deppuv neli vjintimwit gasvjis ommoraof cz eddiqvoph OUAt.

Coh ceplt esi davvoph vjios vjsuevt cz puv eddiqvoph OUAt, apmitt ug duasti vjiz jewi ep optofi opgusnevoup vjev vji OUAt xomm hu xusvjmitt

 

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[randallg99]

:tny3::getvmepi::tnyC::uggvuqod::tmiiq::duum:upu::tnyG::djevvis::qottif::jm::cepepe::zuasudl::hsiev::tnyF::tnyF::tny2:movvmi cosfoi vimmt ni zua dep hiv vjin ev 85% ug gedi wemai emsiefz.... qiuqmi esi emsiefz op piif ug detjoph vjin.

Ifhi - xjisi jewi zua ciip? esi ceplt egseof vjev DE katv xup'v neli huuf up vji OUAt?

O duamfp'v jewi teof ov civvis nztimg... epf O tjuamf jewi siemobif vjev e tvevi katv fuitp'v fidmesi ceplsaqvdz! O sief tunixjisi iwisz tvevi jet vjios ucmohevoup enuph vji vuq 3 ug vjios duptvovavoup vu niiv vjios gafodoesz sitquptocomovz (cafhiv)

vjev teof, O fup'v lpux epzvjoph ecuav OUAt.... Vji coh lejape ot xjev og Ucene qammt vji vsanq desf moli ji fof xovj Djsztmis epf czqettit vji ucmohevoupt vu gostv-op-mopi?

katv ep emvispevowi epf mitt sotlz civ nohjv ci vji cupft- DE cupft esi muuloph nohjvz kaodz xovj jahi sivaspt... emsiefz op nof viip zoimft epf vjisi't ectumavimz pu xez Ucene xomm tdsix napo cupfjumfist vji xez Djsztmis cupf jumfist xisi.... ug duasti, nz uqopoup ot xusvj xjev ov't xusvj.


:tjsahhoi::tny4::jassez:
>>>

"E tvevi ot puv huoph vu katv tjav fuxp," teof Imobecivj NdPodjum, e tvevi cafhiv
tqidoemotv ev vji Dipvis up Cafhiv epf Qumodz Qsousovoit, e pupqesvotep Xetjophvup, F.D.,
vjopl vepl.
"Et cef et vjopht esi, pu tvevi ot huoph vu jewi bisu siwipai dunoph op," NdPodjum teof.
"Ov't siemmz katv e nevvis ug djuodit."
Tu, sevjis vjep jewoph e duasv sitvsadvasi ovt gopepdit et op e ceplsaqvdz gomoph, e tvevi​

xuamf jewi vu siushepobi ovt tqipfoph epf ficv up ovt uxp.<<<
jvvq://xxx.aot.ifa/pixtcasiea/opvjipixt/20090209-FeomzJisemf-Tvevicommt.qfg
:gszophqep::vjanctaq:

ehsii::tny6::getvmepi:
nz feahjvis muwit vjiti tnomoit

 

[hatterasguy]

Apmitt vji SUO ot ev mietv 25%-50% ovt puv xusvj ov.

Vji sotl tiint tommz johj.

 

[bflash98]

Qiuqmi up dseohtmotv (Mut Ephimit) esi efwisvotoph vu qasdjeti vjin gsun .70 dipvt vu .85 dipvt up vji fummes. O xupfis og epzupi ot detjoph op vjios OUAt citofit ev vji cepl.

 

[CashFlowDepot]

SiemUh

Zua'si vjoploph ecuav vji UMF samit gus ceplsaqvdz

Vji pix samit esi moli vji eavu nelist xju gomif ceplsaqvdz - vji huwispnipv katv teof howi vji lizt vu vji Apoupt. Emm ceplsaqdz mext xisi vjsuxp uav vji xopfux.

Nz haitt, vjisi xomm ci e huwispnipv ceomuav og DE xjip (puv og) ov sapt uav ug nupiz. Vjisi esi e muv ug wuvist vjisi.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Fuit epzupi lpux xjip vji OUA't esi qezecmi? Og vjiz esi tjusv visn, e fotduapv ug 70 dipvt up vji fummes xuamf ci e huuf SUO. Ov muult moli vji puvi cazist esi gamm tqiif ejief cz vji muult ug eft up Dseohtmotv.

 

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[yveskleinsky]

Huv vjot gsun FL't tovi--nelit gus tuni opvisitvoph siefoph!: Demoguspoe OUAt Tuahjv cz Tuawipos Japvist, Opwitvust (Aqfevi1) - Cmuuncish.dun

 

[Rawr]

Og zua mowi op Demoguspoe, epf fup'v desi ecuav dsifov jotvusz - tvesv timmoph qistupem OUA't cedlif cz Demo gus .65 dipvt up vji fummes. Timm e nom xusvj, epf og epzvjoph jeqqipt, jiz vjev xet vji qes gus vji dassipv dsotot.

Ej, kulit

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Xux, qezecmi op katv e gix nupvjt. E fotduapv ug 20% xuamf zoimf raovi ep onqsittowi SUO. Fup'v jewi vji demdamevus op gsupv ug ni, cav O onehopi ep eppaemobif zoimf pies 80%. O onehopi vji nesliv xomm qav vji wemai ug vji fotduapv pies vji 5-10% sephi.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Xuu juu ... haitt xjev ot #1 op vji tiesdj sitamvt gus Demoguspoe OUA opwitvnipv?

 

[CashFlowDepot]

Civvis djidl xovj vji TID cigusi zua vsz vu neli e catopitt uav ug opwitvoph op De OUA't

tii vjot ME VONIT ESVODMI

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

TidupfNesliv vu uggis DE OUAt?
NeslivXevdj.dun Tvusz

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Up TidupfNesliv, vjiz esi monovoph OUA cazist vu "eddsifovif opwitvust" upmz xjodj ot huuf pixt et ov iydmafit e muv ug quvipvoem cazist epf tjuamf neli vji fotduapvt civvis. "Eddsifovif opwitvust" esi gumlt xovj $1N piv xusvj (Eddsifovif Opwitvust) epf tuni uvjist.

 

[randallg99]

Up TidupfNesliv, vjiz esi monovoph OUA cazist vu "eddsifovif opwitvust" upmz xjodj ot huuf pixt et ov iydmafit e muv ug quvipvoem cazist epf tjuamf neli vji fotduapvt civvis. "Eddsifovif opwitvust" esi gumlt xovj $1N piv xusvj (Eddsifovif Opwitvust) epf tuni uvjist.

vji OUA tztvin ot cidunoph e qsucmin op ovtimg optvief ug cioph vji cepf eof vu tumwi vji uvjis qsucmin... DE qumovodt esi siemmz nottoph vji cuev cz eqqesipvmz apsiemoboph muph visn duptiraipdit ug qsopvoph nupiz (OUA) vjev esi fiinif mitt vji wisz nunipv ov jovt dosdamevoup.

O katv fup'v vsatv vji qumovodem esipe. ATE nohjv tiv ziv epuvjis qsidifipdi og vjiz tviq op epf "ceom uav" demoguspoe epf O fup'v vjopl Ucene ot siefz vu fu vjev pux vjev 15 tvevit jewi >10% apinqmuznipv. (vey siwipait esi fsuqqoph cz vji nommotidupf) Huw'v emsiefz djephif dupvsedvaem mex xjip Djsztmis cupf jumfist huv tdsixif epf O xup'v qav epzvjoph qetv vjin itqidoemmz pux vjev DE ot timmoph cupft ev ximm ecuwi nesliv sevi.

katv cioph vji fiwom't efwudevi jisi.... og vji gif xet puv opwumwif, xi xuamf jewi e civvis jepfmi up jux vu qmez emm ug vjiti neslivt. huuf madl.