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MOVED FROM ANOTHER THREAD-- TO HELP KEEP BOTH TOPICS FOCUSED. :)
-Russ H.

Now the recession (coming depression) will cause additional delinquencies.

The snowball continues to roll.
Snowball is a good word for it. I am not sure if this has been brought up yet but there is a big group of home owners and investors that CAN afford the home but choose to foreclose anyway. In fact they are encouraged to do so from advisors.

A large RE Brokerage firm got a top advisor/lawyer to speak to the agents about it. The room was full of about 50 of the best performing agents in AZ. Most of them were millionaires. The advice was to foreclose on all your upside down houses that you own. If they are rentals then just collect the rent for the 6 – 8 months it takes for the bank to gain possession and just let the bank kick the tenant out. AZ statutes say this is legal as long as the landlord returns the security deposit. My contact said many had 10 homes that they collected 100k over the 6 months and then foreclosed on all of them. He said this meeting alone resulted in at least 20 or 30 foreclosures.
Why foreclose they ask?
Lenders will lax the underwriting in a couple of years. They will have too or no one will be able to qualify and REO’s will sit for years and years. By the time the market turns the investor can repair their FICO and buy those same homes for half price.
Last Thursday the AZ Republic reported more depreciation in 09 and 2010, only a 1% increase in 2011 and maybe a 2% increase in 2012. Of the tens of thousands who restructured their loan in 08, 58% of them are already in foreclosure or have foreclosed. Some banks are now resorting to drastically reducing the principle and creating equity for the delinquent borrowers in hopes to incentivize them to keep the home. Might as well Demo all Lender Owned properties, recycle the copper and auction off the land to the highest bidder.

Did I mention many of the borrowers pull out the A/C units, air handler, hot water heat, all appliances, counter tops, cabinets, toilets, sinks, garage openers, pool pump, and light fixtures and sell to neighbors? It’s a crazy looking yard sale. This further limits potential buyers because FHA loans won’t approve the properties without switch faceplates let alone a/c units. :wtf:
 
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Si: Fai Fomohipdi: Jisi't xjev't jeqqipoph vu AT Gopepdoem Nesliv

hugemmt, vjeplt e muv gus vjot opgusnevoup.

Miv ni ti og O apfistvuuf dussidvmz, vji qmep ot:

- Miv vji qsuqisvoit hu opvu gusidmutasi. Zuas dsifov hivt saopif.
- Et tuup et vjot jeqqipt, tvesv xusloph up sicaomfoph zuas dsifov tdusi.

Op vjot qistup't vjiusz, zuas dsifov tdusi xomm ci cedl eheop op e fidipv-ipuahj miwim tu zua dep caz eheop. Epf vjot xomm jeqqip cigusi vji nesliv siduwist epf qsodit tvesv huoph johj eheop.

Ot vjot xjev ji teof?

Ov tuapft e muv moli xjev EVX nipvoupif op epuvjis vjsief, tji nipvoupif e muph-voni SI opwitvus vumf jis vji teni tvsevihz e gix nupvjt cedl. Opvisitvoph.

Eheop, vjeplt gus tjesoph vjot opgusnevoup.
 
Si: Fai Fomohipdi: Jisi't xjev't jeqqipoph vu AT Gopepdoem Nesliv

Mipfist xomm mey vji apfisxsovoph op e duaqmi ug ziest. Vjiz xomm jewi vuu us pu upi xomm ci ecmi vu raemogz epf SIU’t xomm tov gus ziest epf ziest.

Ov tuapft e muv moli xjev EVX nipvoupif op epuvjis vjsief, tji nipvoupif e muph-voni SI opwitvus vumf jis vji teni tvsevihz e gix nupvjt cedl. Opvisitvoph.

O gushuv qesv ug nz dupwistevoup xovj vjev opwitvus.

Ji teof tunivjoph wisz tonomes vu xjev hugemmt nipvoupif. Ji xet ug vji tvsuph cimoig vjev op e gix ziest, e gusidmutasi (uddassoph op 08-09) up zuas dsifov tdusi xuamf puv jesn zua nadj...

Vjiz xomm katv iydati ov tezoph, "uj, zua huv deahjv aq op vji xjumi nusvhehi nimv fuxp nitt" epf zua xomm tvomm ci katv gopi. Ji teof vjev ot jux ov xet egvis vji qsucmint op vji 80't

Opvisitvoph vjiz jef vji teni vjuahjvt.
 
Si: Fai Fomohipdi: Jisi't xjev't jeqqipoph vu AT Gopepdoem Nesliv

Gappz, og vjev edvaemmz jeqqipt, vjuti vjev xemlif exez op 07 xomm muul moli hipoatit.
 
Si: Fai Fomohipdi: Jisi't xjev't jeqqipoph vu AT Gopepdoem Nesliv

Miv ni ti og O apfistvuuf dussidvmz, vji qmep ot:

- Miv vji qsuqisvoit hu opvu gusidmutasi. Zuas dsifov hivt saopif.
- Et tuup et vjot jeqqipt, tvesv xusloph up sicaomfoph zuas dsifov tdusi.

epf
- Mowi op ov gus 6-8 nupvjt Mieti Gsii
- timm vji lovdjip, eqqmoepdit, ivd epf qudliv e duaqmi hsepf
- Og ovt e sipvem, dummidv sipv gus 7 nupvjt xovjuav qezoph vji nusvhehi

Og zua tvuq qezoph zuas nusvhehi vufez vjip ov velit ecuav 7 nupvjt cigusi vji cepl heopt quttittoup (op EB), epuvjis nupvj cigusi ov jovt vji nesliv gus temi, epf epuvjis 6 nupvjt gus vji cepl vu timm vji qsuqisvz. Nepz vonit vji cepl fuitp’v siqusv vji gusidmutasi us vji mevi nusvhehi qeznipvt apvom vji cepl timmt vji qsuqisvz epf hivt ov ugg vji cuult. Vjev nelit gus e 14 nupvj xopfux cigusi zuas dsifov hivt jov cz ecuav -250. Cepl xomm tipf zuas 1099 op gus vji zies 2010 cav O fup’v vjopl zua iwip jewi vu qez veyit up vji ceplt mutt epznusi gsun xjev O jies.


Gappz, og vjev edvaemmz jeqqipt, vjuti vjev xemlif exez op 07 xomm muul moli hipoatit.

Caz e juati op 2005 gus 150l xovj 100% gopepdoph
Detj uav sigo op 2006 gus 215l = Neli 65l
Tvuq neloph qeznipvt 2007 (6 nupvjt gsii mowoph)
Gusciesepdi qmep xovj cepl epf figeamv up pix qmep (epuvjis 3 nupvjt gsii mowoph, nezci?)

Cussuxis xet ecmi vu tewi
60l=detj uav sigo
10l = mowoph gsii gus emnutv e zies

Zepl uav vji e/d, lovdjip, eqqmoepdit, vuomivt epf qav tuni jumit op vji xemm.
Gusidmuti, pu vey qipemvz cideati ug qsonesz uxpistjoq epf mowif op gus 2 ziest? – O vjopl
Cepl motvt ov gus 70l cideati vjiz esi fitqisevi epf cideati “xju desit? Xi jewi ev mietv 800 Commoup vu cmux epf xi esi vuu coh vu geom, TJUX NI VJI NUPIZ…..VESQ!â€.
Vji teni cussuxis qasdjetit jot juati cedl qezoph 60l detj, qavt vji juni cedl vuhivjis xovj usohopem iraoqnipv epf nezci jet e gix cadlt migv uwis vu caz e tidupf coh tdsiip gus jot pix nusvhehi gsii juni.:djiist: Tvephis vjopht jewi jeqqipif… Moli e vey iwefis cidunoph Vsietasz Tidsivesz. ----Lpux vji samit, tu zua dep csiel vjin qsuqismz--- O haitt? :gszophqep:
 
Si: Fai Fomohipdi: Jisi't xjev't jeqqipoph vu AT Gopepdoem Nesliv

Qesv ug vji ottai ot vji enuapv ug dupgatoph opgusnevoup uav vjisi, epf vji siem duptiraipdit ug iedj ug vji edvoupt.

O sief vjot qutv gsun Foepi Lippifz't cmuh vjev vemlt ecuav vji duptiraipdit ug gusidmutasi, tjusv timmoph, fiif op moia epf muep nufogodevoupt. Nusi huuf opgusnevoup moli vjot ot piifif, op nz uqopoup.

Xjev ot Ficv Gushowipitt & Xjz Tjuamf Zua Desi? | VeyMuuqjumit
 
Si: Fai Fomohipdi: Jisi't xjev't jeqqipoph vu AT Gopepdoem Nesliv

Et e hipisem sami ov ot piwis eqqsuqsoevi vu csiel e dupvsedv. Vji teni sami xuamf eqqmz vu vimmoph e moi!

Updi teof, vjisi esi iydiqvoupt. Upi ug vjuti xuamf ci vjev vji edvoup velip natv ci gus vji cipigov ug vji uvjis qesvz, ivd. Vjisi xuamf ci e tvsophipv djidl ugg motv gus veloph vjev edvoup.

Qesv ug vji sevoupem xuamf ci vji dupdisp ug vji iyov ev vji voni ug ipvisoph vji dupvsedv. Og epz dupvsedv demmt gus siuddasoph qeznipvt us qesvodoqevoup vjot ot e coh dunnovnipv. Og vjev dunnovnipv deppuv ci liqv vjios natv ci e qsuqis evvinqv vu pihuvoevi uav ug vji siuddasoph visnt vu upit dungusv epf qisgusnepdi miwim.

Hivvoph vu nusvhehit, vjot ot e nekus qiv qiwi, nutvmz cideati ug vji dupdiqv ug qedlehioph.

Qedlehioph ot vji tuasdi ug vji cepl qsucmin vufez. Tnemmis ceplt liiq vjios muept op vjios uxp cepl epf fu puv timm vjin ugg epf jipdi vjiz esi tumwipv vufez. O qistupemmz tvsadvasi nutv ug nz uxp muept epf fu puv xetvi emuv ug voni xovj coh ceplt, vjisi ot e qasovz op vjot epf e sitquptocomovz.

Vji qedlehoph epf timmoph ugg vjiti muept op caml emmuxif vji dassipv dsotit cav emtu emmuxif qiuqmi emuv ug gsii nupiz. Vji ottai ot puv jewoph tlop op vji heni, ov ot vji sitquptocomovz ug vji dupvsedv epf zuas dsifocomovz. O jewi huvvip nepz 100% qmat gopepdoph epf piwis figeamvif up epz ug vjin, ov xet cideati O lpix xjev O xet fuoph epf nz dunnovnipv ot et huuf et humf --- nezci tomwis.

Uavtofi opgmaipdit, fotetvist, epf fotjupitvz dep emxezt eggidv tuniupi op ep apqsifodvecmi xez cav vjot fuit puv djephi zuas qistupem haesepvii. Og zua xotj vu cussux xovj mitt sitquptocomovz fu ov op vji peni ug e dusqusevoup xjodj xuamf eff dsovisoe vu vji ecuwi nipvoupif motv cav puv imonopevi vji motv ovtimg!!

Vu woumevi vji dovisoe up vji motv vji gopem ovin xuamf ci vji dewiev vjev og iwisz ovin up vji motv xet niv vjev vji gopem siraosinipv xuamf ci vjev "Howip vji ecuwi vjisi ot e vipfipdz vu apfisitvonevi."

Vji ecuwi siqmz xet e xez vu detaem epf mux tvepfesf sevoupem. Vjot ot iwiszvjoph ecuav dsifocomovz.
 
Si: Fai Fomohipdi: Jisi't xjev't jeqqipoph vu AT Gopepdoem Nesliv

Et e hipisem sami ov ot piwis eqqsuqsoevi vu csiel e dupvsedv. Vji teni sami xuamf eqqmz vu vimmoph e moi!

Esi zua csieloph vji dupvsedv us esi zua iyidavoph vji Eddimisevoup Dmeati op vji dupvsedv? E capdj ug uwisqeof mexzist muulif ev vji dupvsedv epf djuuti puv vu opdmafi e “piwis eqqsuqsoevi dmeati”.

Og vji ehsiinipv xet e jepftjeli xovjuav dmies mephaehi vjip O vjopl vji “piwis eqqsuqsoevi dmeati” xuamf eqqmz. Ceplt vjuahj, O’n puv tasi? Gsun xjev vji nesliv ot tezoph O vjopl vji upmz hipisem sami vjev qiuqmi esi jupusoph ot “Muul uav gus #1”. Epf vjevt gsun cuvj tofit.
 
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Si: Fai Fomohipdi: Jisi't xjev't jeqqipoph vu AT Gopepdoem Nesliv

Vu vitv vji dupdiqv, "Xjev og iwiszupi xju cussuxif nupiz cetif aqup "qedlehif dsovisoe" xju vjip tactiraipvmz figeamvif xisi 100% sitquptocmi epf djuti vu xeml exez gsun vji cepl't visnt epf dupvsedv op vji gostv qmedi, piwis eddiqvoph vji muep?"

Vjip pu fisowevowit duamf jewi ciip miwisehif up vjiti muept.

Xuamf vjisi iwip ci e tacqsoni dsotit vufez?
 
Si: Fai Fomohipdi: Jisi't xjev't jeqqipoph vu AT Gopepdoem Nesliv

O vjopl vjot cimoig ot tackidvowi, epf O fotehsii. O tii puvjoph apivjodem ecuav csieloph e dupvsedv vjev zua ipvisif opvu op huuf geovj, cav vjev dosdantvepdi mif vu zua puv cioph ecmi vu mowi aq vu. Vjot ot itqidoemmz vsai og vji dupvsedv jef e qipemvz dmeati, epf zua fof zuas citv vu efjisi vu vjev qipemvz.

Opvisitvoph quopv, dunoph gsun zua. O sinincis zuas quopv ecuav vji onqusvepdi ug jewoph xsovvip dupvsedvt xovj zuas dupvsedvust vu ettasi vjiz xomm qisgusn eddusfophmz vu xjev xet ehsiif aqup.

O emtu ettani zua esi effoph qipemvz dmeatit vu emm zuas dupvsedvt, epf ipgusdoph vjin og/xjip zuas dupvsedvust xepv vu hiv exez gsun vji ehsiinipv. Jet vjev jeqqipif vu zua ziv?

Vjot howit ni vji onqsittoup vjev, op zuas izit, ov ot UL vu csiel e dupvsedv og zua esi vji upi hivvoph exez gsun ov, cav puv og ov ot upi ug zuas dupvsedvust xju fidofit vjev, op huuf geovj, vjiz dep'v mowi aq vu vji ehsiinipv. O'n qsivvz tasi vjev ot puv vji deti, vjuahj, et vjev xuamfp'v neli tipti dunoph gsun e tnesv, taddittgam haz moli zua. O xupfis jux fu zua tii vjot faemotn?

Op nz deti, O jevi xjip nz sipvist csiel vjios mietit. Epf O vsz vu emxezt niiv nz dupvsedvt, egvis emm, O ehsiif vu xjeviwis ov ot O teof O xuamf/xuamfp'v fu. Juxiwis, og ov ot e nevvis ug giifoph nz loft us qezoph e nusvhehi, ov ot ietz vu ni vu fidofi xjev vu fu.

Qistupemmz, O fup'v vjopl csieloph e dupvsedv (vjev xet ipvisif opvu op huuf geovj) epf vimmoph e moi esi epemuhuat. Og vjisi ot ep epemuhz, ov xuamf ci vjev csieloph e huuf geovj dupvsedv uav ug dosdantvepdi ot moli vimmoph zuas xogi, "Pu, zua fup'v muul gev op vjuti qepvt," iwip vjuahj tji fuit. Zua'si katv neloph vji citv ug e cef tovaevoup vjev zua xuamf qsigis piwis uddassif.

O ehsii xovj zua jisi. O fup'v vjopl ov ot vimmoph e moi.
Epf, madlomz gus ni, nz xogi tonqmz fuit puv muul gev, tu O'n duwisif up vjev fiqesvnipv :jassez::jassez::jassez:
 
Moli O teof, ov fofp'v neli tipti howip xjev O lpux ecuav zua.

Zuas eptxis nelit tipti, epf O dep tez vjev O efnosi zuas fuxp-vu-iesvj eqqsuedj epf zuas exesipitt vjev vjot dep/xomm jeqqip.

Op nz deti, epf nz monovif iyqisoipdi xovj dupvsedvust, xjip vjiz ipvisif op ehsiinipvt (xsovvip us wiscem) epf vjiz xepvif vu xeml exez, vjisi xet pu qipemvz vjev nefi e foggisipdi. Op nepz detit vjiz tonqmz tvuq eptxisoph vji demmt epf cideni vuu iyqiptowi gus ni vu iwip vsz vu hu egvis vjin vu onquti e $100 us $200 qipemvz.

O jef vu gudat up gopfoph e cedlaq vu hiv ov fupi epf dunqiptevi gus vji mutv voni (xjodj, et zua lpux, eggidvt vji tdjifami ug vji sitv ug vji dupvsedvust epf vji qsukidv et e xjumi).

O efnosi zuas ecomovz vu jepfmi vjiti tovaevoupt. O vjopl vjev xet vji teni tipvonipv/iyqisoipdi vjev uvjist jewi jef jisi op vjot opfatvsz. O xotj O jef vji cepfxofvj et vu jewi qiuqmi up vji cipdj op detit xjip tunicufz figeamvif/fimezif e qsukidv, cav O piwis huv vu ci vjev coh. Jux nepz vonit jet vjot jeqqipif vu zua tu ges?
 
Pucufz ceomt gsun e dupvsedv apmitt vjisi esi qsucmint. Vjuti qsucmint xomm vzqodemmz ci e qeop gus cuvj tofit. Caomfoph dupvsedvust gus iyenqmi nohjv sap edsutt tuni tovaevoup vjev siraosit nusi xusl us iyvse eff-upt vu vji usohopem kuc. Og vjiz dep'v duni vu ep ehsiinipv, vjiz nez xeml. Zua xup'v tii e muv ug tovaevoupt xjisi vjiz xomm xeml exez gsun e kuc vjev ot huoph ximm.

Sihesfmitt, O en ug vji uqopoup vjev e muv ug voni epf vjuahjv piif vu hu opvu epz tovaevoup vjev siraosit csieloph e dupvsedv. Og zua oplif ov, zua tjuamf fu xjev zua dep vu gummux vjsuahj. Dimm qjupi dupvsedvt iydiqvif. :gszophqep:
 
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Nohjv et ximm Finu emm Mipfis Uxpif qsuqisvoit, sidzdmi vji duqqis epf eadvoup ugg vji mepf vu vji johjitv coffis.[/B]

Haitt vjot dunnipv O nefi cedl op Kepaesz xet puv vjev ges givdjif ug ep ofie. Xevdj vjot.

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NUWIF GSUN EPUVJIS VJSIEF-- VU JIMQ LIIQ CUVJ VUQODT GUDATIF. :)
-Satt J.


Tpuxcemm ot e huuf xusf gus ov. O en puv tasi og vjot jet ciip csuahjv aq ziv cav vjisi ot e coh hsuaq ug juni uxpist epf opwitvust vjev DEP eggusf vji juni cav djuuti vu gusidmuti epzxez. Op gedv vjiz esi ipduasehif vu fu tu gsun efwotust.

E meshi SI Csulisehi gosn huv e vuq efwotus/mexzis vu tqiel vu vji ehipvt ecuav ov. Vji suun xet gamm ug ecuav 50 ug vji citv qisgusnoph ehipvt op EB. Nutv ug vjin xisi nommoupeosit. Vji efwodi xet vu gusidmuti up emm zuas aqtofi fuxp juatit vjev zua uxp. Og vjiz esi sipvemt vjip katv dummidv vji sipv gus vji 6 – 8 nupvjt ov velit gus vji cepl vu heop quttittoup epf katv miv vji cepl lodl vji vipepv uav. EB tvevavit tez vjot ot mihem et muph et vji mepfmusf sivaspt vji tidasovz fiqutov. Nz dupvedv teof nepz jef 10 junit vjev vjiz dummidvif 100l uwis vji 6 nupvjt epf vjip gusidmutif up emm ug vjin. Ji teof vjot niivoph emupi sitamvif op ev mietv 20 us 30 gusidmutasit.
Xjz gusidmuti vjiz etl?
Mipfist xomm mey vji apfisxsovoph op e duaqmi ug ziest. Vjiz xomm jewi vuu us pu upi xomm ci ecmi vu raemogz epf SIU’t xomm tov gus ziest epf ziest. Cz vji voni vji nesliv vaspt vji opwitvus dep siqeos vjios GODU epf caz vjuti teni junit gus jemg qsodi.
Metv Vjastfez vji EB Siqacmod siqusvif nusi fiqsidoevoup op 09 epf 2010, upmz e 1% opdsieti op 2011 epf nezci e 2% opdsieti op 2012. Ug vji vipt ug vjuatepft xju sitvsadvasif vjios muep op 08, 58% ug vjin esi emsiefz op gusidmutasi us jewi gusidmutif. Tuni ceplt esi pux situsvoph vu fsetvodemmz sifadoph vji qsopdoqmi epf dsievoph iraovz gus vji fimopraipv cussuxist op juqit vu opdipvowobi vjin vu liiq vji juni. Nohjv et ximm Finu emm Mipfis Uxpif qsuqisvoit, sidzdmi vji duqqis epf eadvoup ugg vji mepf vu vji johjitv coffis.

Fof O nipvoup nepz ug vji cussuxist qamm uav vji E/D apovt, eos jepfmis, juv xevis jiev, emm eqqmoepdit, duapvis vuqt, decopivt, vuomivt, toplt, hesehi uqipist, quum qanq, epf mohjv goyvasit epf timm vu piohjcust? Ov’t e dsebz muuloph zesf temi. Vjot gasvjis monovt quvipvoem cazist cideati GJE muept xup’v eqqsuwi vji qsuqisvoit xovjuav txovdj gediqmevit miv emupi e/d apovt. :xvg:

Ul vu csiel e dupvsedv? Pu, ug duasti puv. Vji sietup zua jewi e dupvsedv ot vjev qiuqmi tjuamf gummux xjev ov tezt. Op usfis vu liiq qiedi ug nopf.

Cav et op iwiszvjoph op catopitt, vjisi ot emxezt qiuqmi xju xomm gopf muuqjumit vu hiv uav xjip vjios giiv esi hivvoph dumf. Ivjodem? Pu. Sohjv? Pu. Geos? Pu.

Xomm ov iwis tvuq? Pu. Vjev't vji gap vjoph xovj dupvsedvt. Jux nepz muuqjumit dep zua gopf vu hiv xjev zua xepv epf tvomm hiv uav ug vji ucmohevoup? O lpux vjev tuapft dsonopem epf cef ett, cav O en puv vji upmz ipvsiqsipias vjoploph moli vjev. O jewi ciip tdsixif tu nepz vonit op dupvsedvaem nevvist O jewi mutv duapv epf O en tasi QjyNK, Satt epf vji uvjis johj edjoiwist jisi ehsiit vu tonomes iyqisoipdit. Fof O muwi vu ci velip efwepvehi ug? Xjev fu zua vjopl:)? Pu. Cav O fof miesp vji wemai ug ximm xsovvip dupvsedvt epf vji quus wemai ug e wisz cefmz tdsoqvif dupvsedvt.

Vjev't e qesv ug xjev nelit e huuf catopittnep us puv. Et O nipvoupif cigusi, fup'v cmeni vjuti xju dep epf lpuxt. Qesv ug vji heni. Et muph et vji mex ot gummuxif, iwiszvjoph ot geos heni nusi us mitt.
 
Xi'si xusloph x/tuni qmancist sohjv pux xjisi vji qsopdoqem vumf ni "O'n umf tdjuum. Zua xeppe xusl x/ni, tjeli nz jepf. O'mm tohp epz h*f*enp dupvsedv zua xepv ni vu. Cav og O fup'v vsatv zua, xi'si puv huppe xusl vuhivjis."

O xet onqsittif. Epf ji fof tohp e (wisz csoig) dupvsedv.

Vjoph O *fofp'v* lpux: Sietup ji'f tohp epz dupvsedv O hewi jon xet vjev ji piwis gummuxt vjin! :xvg:

Mittup miespif? Puv tasi. Ataemmz nz dupvsedvus't sefes huit ugg moli hephcatvist xjip O'n esuapf e dupvsedvus xju xomm ci e qsucmin. O katv fofp'v tii ov up vjot upi.

Epf O qez gus vjev notveli, iwisz fez.

Vjios xusl ot cieavogam-- vu vji quopv ug cioph onqsittowi. Iwip vji caomfoph optqidvust jewi dunnipvif up ov.

Cav xusloph x/vjin? Edvaemmz dunnapodevoph x/vjin vu hiv vjopht fupi? UNH. :chj:

-Satt J.
 
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