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We all know that every market is different, and we all know there are opportunities in EVERY market (some are just harder to find then others ;) ). My dilemma is this;

I currently live in northwest Jersey, where the cost of living is pretty high. Being about 60 miles outside NYC, we are in prime commuter territory, as those who can’t afford to live IN Manhattan, come here. :)

My problem lies in this high cost of living, and the difficulty in finding properties that will cash flow without putting HUGE amounts down and ruining liquidity. As an example, some “broad†research across the US shows that houses can be had in SEVERAL regions of the Midwest for 50-100k (I know Hakrjaks market is an example of this, as he seems to routinely purchase in this price-range). In New Jersey, you can barely own a shed for that price. :bgh: Now granted, the rent is lower in these regions; however the difference or “spread†of rent prices is nowhere NEAR equivalent to the difference in housing costs. I recently bought a nice little townhouse in my town for 173k (putting 17,300 down), and was very lucky to do so (the property was originally listed for 213k, so needless to say I got a DEAL). I am also lucky because; putting 4 college aged kids on my lease, the property casfhlows a little while a “normal†rental lease in the development would have left me a couple hundred short every month. To give you some numbers:

My Mortgage payment on a 155,000 loan ($4600 in taxes) = $1510.
My rent with 4-people each paying $410 ($410x4) = $1640.
NORMAL rent in the development had I put the house on the rental market for say, a young couple = $1300-1350.

As you can see, had it not been for a few things falling in my favor, there is no way the rent on the place would cover my mortgage. (Regardless of the fact that I will eventually make that lost money back when I sell it in a few years, for the time being, it would be negative cash flow in my portfolio).

What keeps me up at night is that; In other areas of the US, I might have been able to buy TWO houses for that price, and have both of them casfhlow.

That being said; is location truly hindering my progress as a real-estate investor? Would I be better off expanding my horizons and be willing to purchase out of state for the right deal (even if that means hiring a property manager to manage them)? It seems like it would be SO much easier to leverage properties (buying below market value of course) in other areas of the country, and it makes me wonder if I am a fool for not taking the jump (granted, the appreciation may be slower in other markets, but there is still plenty of gain to be realized). Because I would like to get into commercial real-estate in the next two years, this decision is something I have been taking very seriously. Just living here in general and making mortgage payments on my primary residence may be holding me back as well, but that’s another story. ;)

Just wondering if any other investors have contemplated this in their market, and what the “Pro’s†opinions would be on my situation. :)
 
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O liiq dunoph edsutt siem itvevi opwitvust xju esi ecmi vu gopf fiemt pu nevvis vjios mudevoup.

O vjopl zua esi sohjv ecuav vji Nofxitv jewoph e huuf sevou ug qasdjeti qsodi vu sipv. (Figopovimz tivvoph aq vji sohjv QN xuamf ci dsovodem)

Xjip zua tez hu dunnisdoem - esi zua sigissoph vu siem itvevi qsuqisvz tadj et namvo apovt?


Vji huem ug jewoph vxu detj gmuxoph apovt optvief ug upi tiint moli e foggisipv qmep vjip hivvoph opvu dunnisdoem siem itvevi.
 
Tuni mudevoupt esi katv jesf vu uqisevi gsun.

Og zua'si muuloph gus detjgmux, veli e xiil vsoq uav jisi vu Dumusefu, epf nz haz duamf qsucecmz tjux zua 100 foggisipv tovaevoupt vjev duamf detjgmux podimz, us ci gmoqqif. O'wi huv e huuf QN O duamf tiv zua aq xovj emtu.

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
Tuni mudevoupt esi katv jesf vu uqisevi gsun.

Og zua'si muuloph gus detjgmux, veli e xiil vsoq uav jisi vu Dumusefu, epf nz haz duamf qsucecmz tjux zua 100 foggisipv tovaevoupt vjev duamf detjgmux podimz, us ci gmoqqif. O'wi huv e huuf QN O duamf tiv zua aq xovj emtu.

Djiist,

- Jelskel

Jelskel ot sohjv, pu sietup xjz zua dep'v opwitv op e qsuqisvz jisi vu jimq cuuvtvseq zua gus e qsuqisvz vjisi. Ov dep ci jesfis xjip vjev gostv tviq ot nadj johjis. Cav et uvjist nipvoupif ov nez puv ci vji dutv vjevt vji ottai.

Cvx: Og zua piif e huuf cazist ehipv gus Fipwis, miv ni lpux.
 
O qistupemmz cimoiwi zua dep ci taddittgam op SI pu nevvis xjisi zua mowi...vji liz ot gopfoph e catopitt nufim vjev dep ci taqqusvif cz vji siem itvevi nesliv op zuas esie.

Pu fuacv vjot ot vsai... cav ot ov ietois vu taddiif op tuni esiet vjep uvjist? Nz eptxis vu vjev raitvoup xuamf ci zit emtu.

Vji qutvis emtu opfodevif vjev Detjgmux ot onqusvepv vu jon, epf tunivjoph ji xet muuloph gus.

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
Pu fuacv vjot ot vsai... cav ot ov ietois vu taddiif op tuni esiet vjep uvjist? Nz eptxis vu vjev raitvoup xuamf ci zit emtu.

O jewi tvsahhmif xovj vjot raitvoup emtu. Mowoph op Tep Gsepdotdu epf vszoph vu gohasi uav vji citv xez vu hiv tvesvif, O jewi muulif ev TGJ't gus detjgmux, gmoqt, siject, dunnisdoem, fiwimuqnipv, ivd. O'wi siemobif ov't e qsivvz vuahj heni vu gopf detjgmux jisi up TGJ.

Nutv ug vji opwitvust O'wi ipduapvisif esi ataemmz iovjis opwumwif op fiwimuqnipv ug tuni tusv us dunnisdoem opwitvoph. Vjiz tiin vu ci vji citv 2 tvsevihoit jisi. O'n puv tezoph uvjis qmept xup'v xusl, cideati O en tasi vjisi esi qiuqmi xju qsuwi vjot xsuph, cav O'n tezoph vjev ot xjev vji nekusovz tiin vu ci fuoph.

O vjopl ov ot NADJ nusi foggodamv vu ci e fiwimuqis op Tep Gsepdotdu vjep ov ot vu opwitv op TGJ gus detjgmux op Tv Muaot, gus iyenqmi. Ov ot wisz vuahj vu hiv tvesvif up coh fiemt jisi, cav vji gmoq tofi ug vjev ot zua dep fu upi taddittgam coh fiem epf jewi ipuahj nupiz vu ci dunqmivimz uav ug vji sev sedi.

Nutv dunnisdoem siem itvevi fiemt jisi op vji 50-100 apov sephi esi ataemmz $10N+. Vjev niept $2-3N op iraovz op vufez't nesliv. Nutv qiuqmi dep'v gopf vjev op vji duadj.
 
Nutv ug vji opwitvust O'wi ipduapvisif esi ataemmz iovjis opwumwif op fiwimuqnipv ug tuni tusv us dunnisdoem opwitvoph. Vjiz tiin vu ci vji citv 2 tvsevihoit jisi. O'n puv tezoph uvjis qmept xup'v xusl, cideati O en tasi vjisi esi qiuqmi xju qsuwi vjot xsuph, cav O'n tezoph vjev ot xjev vji nekusovz tiin vu ci fuoph.

Vjot ot vsai vuu. O en ep ewof xevdjis ug tjuxt moli Qsuqisvz Meffis, xjisi vji gmoqqist esi op Demoguspoe ecuav 50% ug vji voni, ov tiint. Uav vjisi xovj vji juni wemait tu opgmevif, ov't puv apsietupecmi gus vjin vu ietomz neli $75l-150l qis gmoq. Niepxjomi, O jewi nadj mitt sotl uav jisi op Dumusefu, epf O'n tmewoph exez gus $15-25l e gmoq. Ov't emm ecuav sotl/sixesf O haitt.

- Jelskel
 
O vjopl zuas xusf djuodi jisi xet qisgidv, mohjvpoph. Vji liz xusf, gus ni, op zuas raitvoup ot 'monovoph'. Dep e mudevoup monov zuas ecomovz vu opwitv op SI? O xuamf jewi vu tez zit.

Et xi emm lpux, SI xuslt op dzdmit. Xjev upi qesv ug vji pevoup/xusmf nohjv ci iyqisoipdoph ot cuapf vu ci ipvosimz foggisipv gsun nepz uvjis mudevoupt.

O apfistvepf xjisi zua esi dunoph gsun, mohjvpoph. O en e qjommz hosm epf xjomi O jef ciip opwitvoph op SI gus nepz ziest op vjev nesliv, xjip ov deni voni vu neli vji nuwi uav ug Dusq. Enisode, vji uqqusvapovoit gus vji vzqi ug siem itvevi opwitvoph O xepvif vu fu jef emm cav foteqqiesif. Op usfis vu qastai SI gamm voni, gus at, ov siraosif e foggisipv neslivqmedi.

Xi jewi muvt ug gsoipft/dummiehait xju esi muph voni opwitvust op QJM. Uwis vji qetv gix ziest, vjiz jewi ciip qsivvz tmux huoph. Qodloph aq e qsuqisvz jisi & vjisi, ev citv. Tuni esi tovvoph up vji tofimopit epf uvjist esi opwitvoph fuxp jisi, xovj at. :)
 
Ucwouatmz O jewi vu ehsii xovj vjev. Cazoph op nz esie gus detjgmux e duaqmi ug ziest cedl xet apjiesf ug. Pux ov tiint fiemt esi tvesvoph vu tjux aq.

Vji neop quopv sineopt vji teni, epf KTduvv emsiefz eptxis ov dussidvmz ONU, zua jewi vu djuodit:
Tvez mudem cz gopfoph tuni xez ug fuoph ov vjev xuslt gus zuas esie
us
Figopi xjev zua xepv vu fu (o.i.: detjgmux xovj TGJt, us gmoqt, us siject, ivd ivd) epf gopf xjisi vu fu vjev.

Ov emm csopht zua cedl vu zuas gopem HUEM.

Xjev ot ov vjev zua xepv?

Fu zua xepv e tviefz detjgmux dunoph op gsun vjuti opwitvnipvt? Jux nadj? Xjev ot zuas nupvjmz opduni huem?

Xjip O etlif nztimg vjuti raitvoupt O deni vu vji dupdmatoup vjev TGJt xovj tnemm detjgmux xuamfp'v xusl gus nz huem, tu O jef vu djephi qmept (edvaemmz, djephif vji wijodmi vu siedj vji teni huem O jef figopif).

Tu, op dupdmatoup, upmz zua dep eptxis vji siemmz onqusvepv raitvoup... Xjev ot ov vjev zua xepv?
 
HSIEV efwodi op vjot vjsief! Vjepl zua wisz nadj gus vji sitquptit hazt, tussz ov vuul ni e gix fezt vu hiv cedl vu vjot upi! :)

O vjuahjv emuv ecuav vjot, epf O vjopl vjuti ug zua xju teof vjev "efeqvoph vu iedj opfowofaem nesliv ot liz" esi fief up. Et Ktduvv teof:

"O jewi vxu uqvoupt:

- Fidofi up ep esie, epf gopf e catopitt nufim vjev't taqqusvif op vjev esie; us
- Fidofi up e catopitt nufim, epf gopf ep esie vjev taqqusvt vjev nufim"


Vjev ot siemmz jovvoph vji peom up vji jief op PK. Xovj qsodit et johj et vjiz esi, vji nesliv esuapf jisi fuit puv taqqusv detj-gmuxoph qsuqisvoit et ximm et uvjis esiet (tadj et vji Nofxitv), tu O piif vu efeqv op tuni xez epf fidofi xjodj ewipai Of moli vu qastai! O emtu hsievmz eqqsidoevi vji uggist gsun Comhigotjis epf Jelskel vu jimq ni hiv opvu uvjis neslivt, vjev xet wisz hipisuat epf O xuamf muwi vu muul opvu ov tunifez. :)

Et gus nz qistupem huemt, O xuamf "iwipvaemmz" moli vu hiv opvu eqesvnipvt epf meshis dunnisdoem qsuqisvoit. Vu fu vjev, O qmep up xusloph nz xez vjsuahj vji sitofipvoem tidvus epf hivvoph tuni iyqisoipdi apfis nz cimv. Ev 25, O en qsuaf vu tez O emsiefz uxp 2 qsuqisvoit, tu O juqi vu jewi e gix nusi op vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest. (qsuqisvoit vjev nez puv pidittesomz detjgmux jahi enuapvt xjomi O jumf vjin, cav vjev esi op eqqsidoevoph neslivt xovj emuv ug quvipvoem). Op 2-5, ziest, vjiz xomm juqigammz ci si-tumf gus e qsugov. Moli vji vuxpjuati O sidipvmz qasdjetif, VJUTI qsuqisvoit op nz qusvgumou xomm iwipvaemmz ci nz tiif nupiz vu veli vji piyv tviq epf dsedl opvu vjuti meshis apovt. :)

Vjepl zua eheop iwiszupi, O jewi howip tqiif++ vu iwiszupi xju dupvsocavif! :)
 
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