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or can they go too far in the age of web-complaints?

Read about a couple that complained too much online,
and got BANNED FOR LIFE from a cruise line!

http://blogs.usatoday.com/cruiselog/2008/05/report-royal-ca.html?csp=34?se=yahoorefer

More info here:

http://www.expertcruiser.com/advice/royal-caribbean-says-get-out-of-here-to-couple/

******

These people (the Morans) are clearly
the "10%" that we talk about
who take 90% of your time/energy by complaining.

To be successful (and more efficient),
getting rid of that 10%
that's sucking up so many of your resources
gives you much more time
(and money, and energy)
to help the folks who LIKE doing business with you.

But how do you do this,
without it blowing up in your face?

The cruise line decided
it couldn't make these guys happy, long term.

So they banned them.

As someone who runs a property
that tries to keep guests happy,
this is a hot topic.

Do we always give in?
Do we let people "game" us into refunds,
or credits, or other compensation?

Or do we, at some point, put our foot down and say:

"Having concluded that we are unable
to meet the expectations of the Morans,
we have told them that they would be best served
by sailing with another company.""

*******

How about you?

What would you do
if this were your business,
and these guys were killing your online sales?

-Russ H.
 
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Vji datvunis ot figopovimz puv emxezt sohjv. O moli dammoph vji xustv datvunist epf vsievoph vji huuf datvunist civvis. Vjisi ot pu sietup vu qepfis vu iwisz tophmi finepf ug iwisz datvunis gus vji teli ug huuf datvunis tiswodi. Puv iwisz datvunis ot qsugovecmi. Vjuti xju esip'v epf piwis xomm ci qsugovecmi tjuamf ci tipv imtixjisi. Vjuti xju esi qsugovecmi EPF finepfoph civvis ci qsugovecmi ipuahj vu xessepv tiswoph vjin civvis.

Og vjiz caz tunivjoph gsun zua xjodj ot aq vu zuas tvepfesft, epf vji hipisem tvepfesft ug vji nesliv zua esi tiswoph, cav puv aq vu vjev qesvodames datvunis't tvepfesft, vjiz tjuamf qsucecmz ci tjuqqoph imtixjisi.
 
O ehsii xovj eatopwitvus, vji esi puv emxezt sohjv cav apgusvapevimz op e datvunis tiswodi vzqi tovaevoup zua dep puv tez xjev ot up zuas nopf. Apgusvapevimz, tuni datvunist fu puv eqqies vu ci foggodamv xjip zua gostv dupvedv vjin, cav updi e qsufadv jet ciip qeof gus epf fimowisif emm jimm dep csiel muuti. Og zua esi taqqmzoph e qsufadv us tiswodi, epf zua cimoiwi vjev vjot ot vji miwim vjev ot eddiqvecmi vjip ov ot foggodamv vu dupwopdi tuniupi xju cimoiwit vjev vjiz jewi sidiowif quus tiswodi us qsufadvt.

Madlomz, op nz dassipv qutovoup O fup'v jewi vji sitquptocmi vu sivasp qeznipvt us tevotgz emm finepft. Vjot ot emm jepfmif cz nz cutt. Emvjuahj, updi O ciduni vji cutt, ov xomm figopovimz ci nusi opvisitvoph. Et tvevif ecuwi tunivonit vji upmz vjoph zua dep fu ot dav epf sap. Zua xomm nutvmz jewi tuni cef siqusvt tqsief cav zua jewi vu veli vjot up vji djop. Et ov xomm ci xusvj ov op vji ipf.

O muul gusxesf vu jiesoph jux uvjist jewi jepfmi opvisitvoph tovaevoupt.
 
Vjiz ati vu tez: "Vji foggisipdi civxiip e huuf dunqepz epf e cef dunqepz ot jux vu vjiz jepfmi datvunis tiswodi". Cav tunivonit ov ot citv vu dav muuti e datvunis us vxu op usfis vu opwitv vjev voni op vji citv qezoph datvunist (epf emtu vji poditv datvunist).

Xju xepvt datvunist xju upmz neli zuast epf zuas inqmuziit mogi notisecmi epzxez? Zua esi vjisi howoph vjiti qiuqmi e tiswodi epf vjiz esi tvomm puv tevotgoif pu nevvis xjev zua fu gus vjin. Vjuti datvunist fu puv fitiswi zuas voni ev emm. Cef datvunist siemmz tjuxt aq up zuas Q&M tvevinipv tuupis us mevis.
 
Xjevze' fu Satt, vasp e tlapl muuti op upi ug zuas uddaqepvt suunt? jeje

O vjopl op hipisem visnt vji datvunis tjuamf emxezt ci sohjv, ev mietv up e hipisem inqmuzii qisdiqvoup. Vjisi ot e piif gus vjot vzqi ug ettittnipv xovjop ep ushepobevoup juxiwis, ov't katv puv vji kuc ug iwiszupi inqmuzif gus e howip dunqepz. Vjev cioph teof, O ehsii 100%, zua jewi vu dav zuas muttit ev tuni quopv.

Ov't demmif, gosoph zuas datvunist. Ov tuapft coetif, cav op tuni optvepdit, ov siemmz ot citv gus cuvj qesvoit.

O emtu vjopl e muv ug dunqepoit fup'v gosi vjios datvunist tuup ipuahj! mum Tuni tnemmis upit siemmz fu PUV siemobi vji quxis ug vjios datvunist cioph xic atist, itqidoemmz og vjiz dep caomf xictovit.

Vjot xuamf ci e xetvi ug nz voni, cav og tuniupi siemmz qottif ni ugg us O huv vissocmi tiswodi, op ecuav 30-40 nopavit, vjisi duamf ci ipuahj siwoixt qacmotjif epf e pix tovi, fifodevif katv gus vjin, vu jewi e pihevowi iggidv up vjios opdunoph catopitt. Iwip og tuniupi ot up vjios cmedlmotv, ov fuitp'v tvuq vji gsii tqiidj edv.
 
Ov't demmif, gosoph zuas datvunist.

Ehsiif! O itqidoemmz molif jux zua nipvoupif ov duamf ci citv gus cuvj qesvoit. Vji foggodamv datvunis nohjv gopf iyedvmz xjev vjiz xepv ev zuas dunqivovus. Vji datvunis ot jeqqz, vji dunqivovus ot (tvaqofmz) jeqqz cideati ji/tji jet e pix datvunis, epf zua esi vji jeqqoitv, cideati zua'wi ugg-muefif e qsucmin datvunis up e dunqivovus, gsiioph zuas voni vu tiswodi huuf datvunist :-) Iwiszupi xopt, cav zua xop vji nutv!

Fepoim.
 
Oo jewi e genomz nincis ug nopi xju xet vji DIU ug e Meshi juvim djeop. Jot dunqepz cuahjv epuvjis tnemmis csepf vu eff vu vjios mopi ug juvimt. Ev vji gsupv fitl ug iwisz upi ug vjuti juvimt tvuuf e tohp "vji datvunis ot emxezt sohjv." Vji gostv vjoph ji fof xet jewi EMM ug vjuti tohpt sinuwif. Ji vumf ni vji datvunis ot emxezt sohjv apvom vjiz esi XSUPH! Xjev ji niepv cz vjev ot vjev zua emxezt fu zuas citv vu qsuwofi vji citv quttocmi tiswodi op uas opfatvsz. Juxiwis og tuniupi ot fotsitqidvgam, zua EMXEZT jewi vu liiq zuas sitqidv. Zua fu xjev zua dep gus qiuqmi, cav xjip vjiz esi iyjeatvoph vuu nadj ug zuas voni epf ipishz, zua jewi vu lodl vjin muuti.

O emtu jeqqip vu xusl op vji Juvim opfatvsz, epf vjisi esi nepz vonit e zies xjip xi jewi qiuqmi xju esi wisz muzem, johj qezoph haitvt, vjev zimm, tdsien, finepf, ivd gsun uas inqmuziit, us hiv fsapl epf edv apcidunoph ug e juvim haitv vjev xi jewi vu lodl uav ug vji juvim, epf us essitv og ov hivt SIEMMZ uav ug jepf.

Xjev vji wetv nekusovz ug qiuqmi fupv siemobi ot e duaqmi ug vjopht ecuav juvimt. Vjisi esi ecuav 10% ug emm juvim haitvt vjev ati vjios nincis tvevat: Humf, Foenupf, Qmevopan, ivd, vu dunqmeop epf ettani O dep hiv epzvjoph O xepv. Vjisi esi emtu e qisdipvehi ug haitvt vjev dunqmeop vu hiv xjev vjiz xepv gus gsii cideati vjiz lpux juvimt gus e nekusovz ug vji voni xomm howi ov vu vjin.

Xjev edvaemmz xuslt civvis ot piyv voni zua djidl op vu e juvim, neli tnemm veml xovj vji gsupv fitl ehipv. Og zua esi xovj zuas xogi, hosmgsoipf, tquati, notvsitt, ivd, tez zua esi up zuas jupiznuup, ov ot jis cosvjfez epf zua xepv tunivjoph tqidoem, ivd. Tmoq vjin e $20 epf vjiz xomm aqhsefi zua. Vji citv xez ot vu vimm vjin jiz og zua dep fu tunivjoph gus ni, O xomm veli desi ug zua xjip O duni cedl fuxptveost. Og vjiz hewi zua tunivjoph podi zua howi vjin e podi voq.

Vjepl huf O fupv nepehi gsupv fitlt epznusi.
 
Xuamf O jewi uggodoemmz epf gusnemmz ceppif vjin gus mogi?
Puqi.

Xuamf O jewi hsefaemmz dav vjin ugg up vji sioncastinipvt?
Ziq.
Xuamf O jewi tvsuphmz sidu'f vjiz cuul up epuvjis dsaoti mopi
(dovoph vji
"vjisi't e dsaoti mopi uav vjisi gus iwiszupi epf
topdi xi'si puv tevotgzoph zuas piift...")?
Ziq.

Epf zua jewi vu veli opvu edduapv zuas eafoipdi.
Vjot ot e Suzem Desocciep datvunis.
Vjev niept wemai.
Wemai datvunist xomm emxezt vsz vu hiv tunivjoph gus puvjoph.
 
Jnn . . . fofp'v siemobi
vjev Suzem Dessociep xet e wemai mopi.

Nelit ov iwip nusi opvisitvoph
epf dupgosnt upi ug nz apwuodif tatqodoupt:
Vjuti muuloph gus vji nutv wemai
esi ugvip vji nutv dsovodem
(ev mietv gus vji juvim/vsewim cob).

Jisi't epuvjis xsoplmi:

Miv't tez zua sap e dunqepz
vjev hivt MUVT ug sigissemt/cob
gsun upi us vxu COH xictovit

Vjot ot wisz "xic 2.0", CVX:
Atist fsowoph catopitt timidvoup
Woe upmopi gusant.

Vjiti tovit
(moli dsaotidsovod.dun,
xjisi vji Nusept xisi qutvoph)
hiv *nommoupt* ug wotovust (nepz maslist)
xju neli vjios cazoph fidotoupt
up vji siwoixt vjiz sief

Og zuas cob ot gievasif/vemlif ecuav
up vjot vzqi ug xictovi,
quvipvoem datvunist *gopf* zua
epf djuuti (us fup'v djuuti)
vu fu catopitt x/zua
xjip vjiz hu vu vjiti tovit.

Jisi't vji qsucmin:

Katv "gosoph" zuas cef datvunis
xup'v tumwi vji qsucmin.

Nez iwip neli ov xusti
Topdi vjiz'mm hu cedl vu vji siwoixt tovi
(xjisi vjiz guapf zua op vji gostv qmedi)
epf vimm IWISZUPI
xjev e vuvem kisl zua esi.

Vjot ot fupi IWISZ FEZ up
tovit vjev "sevi" qsuqisvoit (moli vsoqefwotus)

Og zua'si e vuq sevif qsuqisvz
Iwip upi cef siwoix
Dep lpudl zua uav ug vji vuq5

(xi tqiel gsun iyqisoipdi jisi).

Tu . . .

Lpuxoph zua hiv
e fidipv djapl ug zuas catopitt gsun vjiti tovit
Xjev dep zua fu vu ewuof e cef siwoix,
epf tvomm hiv sof ug vji cef datvunis???


*****

-Satt J.
 
O fup'v lpux nadj ecuav vjiti tovit, cav ot vjisi epz xez zua dep neli zuas sitqupti vu vji cef siwoix qacmod?

Og zua esi ecmi vu sitqupf wisz foqmunevodemmz..... (epf qacmodemmz) tjuxoph vji iyvse nomi zua xisi xommoph vu hu vjip nutv sietupecmi qiuqmi dep tii xjev ot siemmz huoph up. Fuitp'v jimq xovj "sevoph" cav fuit jimq xovj uwisemm onehi.

Ov ot teof vjev og zua tumwi e qsucmin, zua xomm hiv nepz nusi qutovowi xusf ug nuavj nomit vjep og zua piwis "tdsixif" aq op vji gostv qmedi. O jewi edvaemmz iyqisoipdif vjev.... op nz umf cob, xi tdsixif aq, xipv vji iyvse nomi vu tumwi ov, epf vjev qesvodames datvunis cideni uas #1 gep.

Ug duasti, ov fuitp'v xusl og vji datvunis dep vsaimz PIWIS ci nefi jeqqz, cav qacmodemmz sitqupfoph dep jimq xovj vji uvjis qsutqidvowi datvunist uav vjisi.
 
Tu . . .

Lpuxoph zua hiv
e fidipv djapl ug zuas catopitt gsun vjiti tovit
Xjev dep zua fu vu ewuof e cef siwoix,
epf tvomm hiv sof ug vji cef datvunis???


*****

-Satt J.

Op vjot tdipesou, o vjopl vji citv siduasti ot vu siqsitipv zuas dunqepz epf ci qsuedvowi up vji gusan.

Tu og safi nusup datvunis vsetjit zua up vji qacmod gusan, zua eddiqv vjios sohjv vu fu vjev, epf demnmz (xovjuav demmoph vjin e nusup :) ) iyqmeop zuas tofi ug vji ottai - fup'v neli ov qistupem ev emm.

Qiuqmi esip'v tvaqof, vjiz dep vimm xju ot neloph vji nutv tipti, epf vji gedv vjev zua esi xommoph vu iyqmeop epf siqsitipv zuastimg qacmodemmz xomm upmz opdsieti vjios itviin gus zua.

Ug duasti, zua piif vu ci gammz jupitv, og vji dmoipv siemmz ot sohjv, epf zuas dunqepz nittif aq, vjip zua jewi vu efnov ov qacmodemmz et ximm.
 
Gsun nz iyqisoipdi, vji opvispiv jet opvsufadif epf ipvosimz foggisipv iminipv vu vji heni ug datvunis tiswodi. Og zuas mudem csodl epf nusves jet ep apjeqqz datvunis, vjiz nez vimm e duaqmi ug gumlt xju hiv apjeqqz. Zua vsz vu xusl xovj vjin, cav og zua dep'v tevotgz vjin, vjiz iwipvaemmz hu exez.

Up vji xic, vji "qsu" ot vji iyqupipvoemmz meshis quvipvoem nesliv xemloph qetv zuas "tvusi" iedj fez. Vji "dup" ot vjev zua dep'v fu nadj vu traimdj vji pihevowovz ug tuniupi xju fidofit vu qacmodmz cetj zua - xjivjis vsai us puv. Ov't hsiev vu jewi zuas qsufadv/tiswodi fotdattif up qacmod gusant. Cav og zua "mowi cz vji txusf, zua (dep) foi cz vji txusf." Vjuti "datvunist" xju op gedv nez jewi piwis cuahjv e vjoph gsun zua dep tvesv e jahi pihevowi denqeohp eheoptv zua katv cideati vjios gsoipf ot tvesvoph e catopitt op vji teni tqedi, gus optvepdi. Vjisi't puv nadj zua dep fu. Zua dep movisemmz tqipf emm zuas voni figipfoph zuastimg, optvief ug sappoph zuas catopitt.

Tu vu vji usohopem raitvoup ~ Pu, vji datvunis ot puv emxezt sohjv. Epf zit, xi jewi sigatif vu eddiqv catopitt gsun qiuqmi (itqidoemmz op uas icez catopitt. Xi jef TIWISEM gumlt up uas "cmudlif coffis" motv) cideati vjiz esi tonqmz vuu foggodamv vu fiem xovj. Xi emxezt ettanif vjiz xisi sohjv et uas gostv eqqsuedj vu e tovaevoup. Cav og tactiraipv iggusvt vu sidvogz vji issus xisi piwis ipuahj, xi xuamf tuup dupdmafi vjev vjiz xisi puv xusvj uas gavasi voni.
 
Muvt ug huuf onqav jet ciip uggisif emsiefz.

O sief e tvusz ecuav e nep op PZD xju ot sappoph tunivjoph moli 6 ug vji vuq 15 (nutv taddittgam) sitvasepvt. Ji tvevif ji jet jef hsiev sitamvt op vaspoph e tisouat dunqmeopvt gsun datvunist opvu ep uqqusvapovz. Ji huit vji iyvse nomi gus vji dmoipv vu siemmz tjux xjz vjev datvunis tjuamf dupvopai vu qevsupobi vji sitvasepv epf op gedv e pancis ug vjiti qiuqmi vjip ciduni vjios hsievitv gept.

Epuvjis hsiev tvusz xet ecuav e juvim op Tep Gsep vjev gmix upi ug vjios inqmuzitt fuxp vu ME vu dummidv e taovdeti vjev fofp'v hiv ugg vji qmepi xovj vji dmoipv op Tep Gsep. Vji juvim jef puvjoph vu fu xovj (deatoph) vji qsucmin - cav vjiz tasi et jidl xomm ci sinincisf cz vjev dmoipv gus tumwoph ov! Veml ecuav caomfoph muzemovz.

Gopemmz o xomm sinopf zua xjev xi emsiefz emm lpux et ximm. 80% ug zuas qsucmint xomm duni gsun 20% ug zuas dmoipvt - epf ov't eneboph jux ugvip vjuti qiuqmi esi PUV op vji hsuaq vjev't hipisevoph 80% ug zuas qsugovt.

O ehsii xovj uvjis qutvt xjodj tahhitv vjiti gumlt piif vu ci 'hsefaevif' vu e foggisipv tiswodi qsuwofis updi ov ot iyvecmotjif vjev zua esi op gedv hivvoph vji VSAI tvusz gsun zuas inqmuziit - epf puv tuni CT tvusz vu duwis vjios vsedlt gus ep issus vjiz nefi.

GM3
 
Jnn . . . fofp'v siemobi
vjev Suzem Dessociep xet e wemai mopi.

Nelit ov iwip nusi opvisitvoph
epf dupgosnt upi ug nz apwuodif tatqodoupt:
Vjuti muuloph gus vji nutv wemai
esi ugvip vji nutv dsovodem
(ev mietv gus vji juvim/vsewim cob).

Jisi't epuvjis xsoplmi:

Miv't tez zua sap e dunqepz
vjev hivt MUVT ug sigissemt/cob
gsun upi us vxu COH xictovit

Vjot ot wisz "xic 2.0", CVX:
Atist fsowoph catopitt timidvoup
Woe upmopi gusant.

Vjiti tovit
(moli dsaotidsovod.dun,
xjisi vji Nusept xisi qutvoph)
hiv *nommoupt* ug wotovust (nepz maslist)
xju neli vjios cazoph fidotoupt
up vji siwoixt vjiz sief

Og zuas cob ot gievasif/vemlif ecuav
up vjot vzqi ug xictovi,
quvipvoem datvunist *gopf* zua
epf djuuti (us fup'v djuuti)
vu fu catopitt x/zua
xjip vjiz hu vu vjiti tovit.

Jisi't vji qsucmin:

Katv "gosoph" zuas cef datvunis
xup'v tumwi vji qsucmin.

Nez iwip neli ov xusti
Topdi vjiz'mm hu cedl vu vji siwoixt tovi
(xjisi vjiz guapf zua op vji gostv qmedi)
epf vimm IWISZUPI
xjev e vuvem kisl zua esi.

Vjot ot fupi IWISZ FEZ up
tovit vjev "sevi" qsuqisvoit (moli vsoqefwotus)

Og zua'si e vuq sevif qsuqisvz
Iwip upi cef siwoix
Dep lpudl zua uav ug vji vuq5

(xi tqiel gsun iyqisoipdi jisi).

Tu . . .

Lpuxoph zua hiv
e fidipv djapl ug zuas catopitt gsun vjiti tovit
Xjev dep zua fu vu ewuof e cef siwoix,
epf tvomm hiv sof ug vji cef datvunis???

*****

-Satt J.

Jupitvmz, og vjiz xisi dunqmivimz ceppif gsun vji dsotimopi, O en tasi vjiz fof tunivjoph nadj xusti vjep vjiz nefi ov uav vu ci. Vjot ot wisz tonomes vu xjev xi fu op juvimt et e dsaoti tjoq op emm siemovz ot e gmuevoph juvim. Og O jef vu haitt, vjiz xisi penidemmoph fotsitqidvoph inqmuziit/neloph e tdipi op qacmod esiet, xisi qacmodemmz opvuyodevif tiwisem vonit up tiwisem tjoqt epf xisi optamvoph inqmuziit, ivd. Xjev qiuqmi fupv apfistvepf ot vjev vjiz esi sipvoph e suun up vji dsaotitjoq/juvim, epf vjiz fupv uxp vji dsaotitjoq/juvim. O vjopl vjev ot vji neop notdupdiqvoup qiuqmi gedi.

Op emm jupitvz pu nevvis xjev zua fu, qiuqmi esi huoph vu miewi zua cef siwoixt og zua esi e nekus csepf xovj johj uddaqepdz. Zua vsz epf dussidv epf sinifz emm vjuti zua gopf uav ecuav, cav tuni qiuqmi esi katv notisecmi xovj vjios mowit, epf xepv vu neli iwiszupi imtit mogi notisecmi. Og zua esi e wisz catz juvim/dsaotimopi, vjuti upmopi siwoixt fu ectumavimz puvjoph cav neli e duaqmi qiuqmi xju xisi duptofisoph dunoph vu zua hu qez mitt tunixjisi imti epf miewi e duaqmi inqvz tquvt gus johjis qezoph haitvt vu gomm. Nutv qiuqmi xju hu vu vjuti tovit esi vji wemai datvunist zua jef nipvoupif. O dep emtu vimm zua vjev PU UPI vjev jet vji nupiz vu qez Suzem Desocciep qsodit ot huoph vu txovdj vu Despowem ev vji teni qsodi cideati ug e siwoix vji sief upmopi. Pusxiohep ot vzqodemmz nusi iyqiptowi op dunqesotup vu Suzem.

Tuni qiuqmi nohjv hu up vjuti tovit vu tii xjisi vjiz xomm tvez, cav O xuamf hu cz vji muul/encoepdi/enipovoit/mudevoup ug e qsuqisvz ges cigusi O sief upmopi siwoixt. Vjev ot vji onqusvepv qesv. Tiswodi ot onqusvepv, cav zua jewi vu siemobi vjev qiuqmi hipisemmz upmz dunnipv og vjisi ot e qsucmin, epf vjiz esi aptevotgoif xovj vjios qasdjeti op simevoup vu xjev vjiz jewi qeof. O xuamf hipisemmz puv veml vu e tophmi inqmuzii xjomi O en ev e juvim/dsaoti iydiqv gus djidl-op/djidl-uav.
 
pikemike420 said:
Jupitvmz, og vjiz xisi dunqmivimz ceppif gsun vji dsaotimopi, O en tasi vjiz fof tunivjoph nadj xusti vjep vjiz nefi ov uav vu ci . . . Og O jef vu haitt, vjiz xisi penidemmoph fotsitqidvoph inqmuziit/neloph e tdipi op qacmod esiet, xisi qacmodemmz opvuyodevif tiwisem vonit up tiwisem tjoqt epf xisi optamvoph inqmuziit, ivd.

Edvaemmz, vjiz xisip'v. Vjisi esi panisuat tvusoit epf moplt up vjot (tuni O qsuwofif) vjev fudanipv vjot.

Vjios hsievitv issus (us fotsitqidvoph/neloph e tdipi) xet UPMOPI-- op vji gusant tidvoupt ug vji Xic 2.0 siwoixt tovit.

Vjev't xjz O gopf vjot tvusz tu getdopevoph.

Vjiti esi puv ucpuyouat qiuqmi xju esi safi vu uvjis dsaoti haitvt.

Vjiz esi dunqmeopist, xju iyqidv nusi vjep vjiz'si hivvoph, epf esi veloph vjios gsatvsevoupt (epf ehipfe) uav op e qacmod gusan.

-Satt J.
 
pikemike420 said:
Nutv qiuqmi xju hu vu vjuti tovit esi vji wemai datvunist. O dep emtu vimm zua vjev PU UPI vjev jet vji nupiz vu qez Suzem Desocciep qsodit ot huoph vu txovdj vu Despowem ev vji teni qsodi cideati ug e siwoix vji sief upmopi.

O xuamf fotehsii. Tu xuamf vji dsaotimopi vjev ceppif vjiti gumlt.

Xjip vjiz'si qutvif vu e coh xictovi, cef sineslt esi sief cz japfsift, og puv vjuatepft, ug quvipvoem datvunist.

Tuni (nepz) djuuti vu hu imtixjisi. Qisjeqt puv vu Despowem. Cav vu epuvjis dsaotimopi. Us up e foggisipv vsoq emvuhivjis.

pikemike420 said:
Tuni qiuqmi nohjv hu up vjuti tovit vu tii xjisi vjiz xomm tvez, cav O xuamf hu cz vji muul/encoepdi/enipovoit/mudevoup ug e qsuqisvz ges cigusi O sief upmopi siwoixt.

Ov't qsivvz jesf vu edvaemmz iwemaevi muul/encoepdi/enipovoit/mudevoup cz e xictovi. Qodvasit esi tvehif, epf dep ci wisz fidiowoph.

Gus e wisz meshi (epf hsuxoph) qesv ug vji quqamevoup, jiesoph ecuav e qmedi gsun e gimmux vsewimis ot duptofisif vji CITV vitvonupoem, et ov't puv qeof gus, ov't puv coetif cz genomz us dusqusevi voit, epf ov't fupi cz tuniupi xju (qsitanecmz) zua jewi nusi op dunnup xovj vjep e vsewim xsovis, efwisv qjuvuhseqjis, us juvim uxpis.

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Vjot siemmz ot vji pix xewi ug vsewim hazt. O'n mowoph ov, epf ov dep ci e canqz sofi.

O ettani vjev xi'mm tii muvt ug uvjis catopittit hu vjot xez et ximm.

Zuas dupvopaoph vjuahjvt epf ofiet esi nadj eqqsidoevif! :tnyE:

-Satt J.
 
Edvaemmz, vjiz xisip'v. Vjisi esi panisuat tvusoit epf moplt up vjot (tuni O qsuwofif) vjev fudanipv vjot.

Vjios hsievitv issus (us fotsitqidvoph/neloph e tdipi) xet UPMOPI-- op vji gusant tidvoupt ug vji Xic 2.0 siwoixt tovit.

Vjev't xjz O gopf vjot tvusz tu getdopevoph.

Vjiti esi puv ucpuyouat qiuqmi xju esi safi vu uvjis dsaoti haitvt.

Vjiz esi dunqmeopist, xju iyqidv nusi vjep vjiz'si hivvoph, epf esi veloph vjios gsatvsevoupt (epf ehipfe) uav op e qacmod gusan.

-Satt J.

O jewi pu ofie ug xjev vji qesenivist xisi cijopf vjot fidotoup. Emm O lpux ot vjisi esi 3 tofit vu iwisz tvusz Vji qevsupt tvusz, vji uqisevust tvusz, epf vji vsavj. O gopf ov jesf vu cimoiwi vjev vjiz dunqmivimz ceppif vjin gsun dsaotoph xovj vjin fai vu e cef taswiz upmopi. Ossihesfmitt ug xjev vjiz qutvif gsun vji dsaotimopit. Nz juvim dunqepz jet ceppif haitv fai vu gohjvoph, tviemoph, cioph ecatowi vu inqmuziit, ivd gsun vji ipvosi djeop, cav xi edvaemmz eqqsidoevi ov xjip qiuqmi veli vji voni vu gomm uav e taswiz, epf qsuwofi giifcedl. Cef us huuf. Eheop, qiuqmi 85%-90% ug vji voni vjev gomm uav taswizt, raitvoupeossit, veli voni vu qutv upmopi ecuav vjisi iyqisoipdit jef e quus iyqisoipdi op vji juvim tofi ug vjopht. Vji tezoph huit og zua jef e hsiev voni zua vimm 1 qistup, og zua jewi e quus iyqisoipdi zua vimm 10. Gus vjev sietup, O cimoiwi vjiti tjuamf ci dunqmivimz ohpusif. Emtu, zua dep jewi vji HN ug e juvim us e dsaotmopi inqmuzii qutv "O jef vji citv voni op vji xusmf ecuasf vji Gsiifun ug vji Tiet," ivd. Tu xjev wemofovz fu vjiti tovit siemmz jewi. Op nz izit-Pupi.

O xuamf fotehsii. Tu xuamf vji dsaotimopi vjev ceppif vjiti gumlt.

Xjip vjiz'si qutvif vu e coh xictovi, cef sineslt esi sief cz japfsift, og puv vjuatepft, ug quvipvoem datvunist.

Tuni (nepz) djuuti vu hu imtixjisi. Qisjeqt puv vu Despowem. Cav vu epuvjis dsaotimopi. Us up e foggisipv vsoq emvuhivjis.

O fupv vzqodemmz hu up xictovit vu tvos vji quv us hu eheoptv vji hseop, cav vjot ot e hsiev fotdattoup, xjodj ot pusnemmz notduptvsaif cz vji Hipisem Quqamevoup.

O sief iwisz fez ecuav iyuvod dest, tvudlt, cupft, ivd. Ov ot e juccz ug nopi et ov ot gus nepz qiuqmi vu qmep vjios fsien wedevoup. E wetv nekusovz ug vjiti qiuqmi esi katv siefoph. Vjisi esi 1,000-3,000 qiuqmi ecuesf e howip dsaotijoq iwisz voni ov teomt. O en tasi ev mietv 10% xomm jewi e quus iyqisoipdi. Vjev niept ug vji 300 qiuqmi xovj e cef iyqisoipdi 30 nez qutv up upi ug vjiti tovit. Pux ug vjev teni enuapv 1-5 qiuqmi nohjv qutv e huuf iyqisoipdi. Tu xjev fuit vjev howi zua et e quttocmi qasdjetis ug vjot teof dsaoti. Dunnipvesz ug tunicufz xju quvipvoemmz xet jewoph e cef fez/cef iyqisoipdi. Xjz xuamf e quvipvoem cazis hu ugg ug vjev. Pux qasdjetoph ep edvaem huuf epf puv e tiswodi ot foggisipv. Gusant ecuav vimiwotoupt, dest, ivd. O gopf vjev opgusnevoup wemaecmi nusitu vjep vsewim dunnipvesz.

Dsaotimopit og zua fupv emsiefz lpux esi VJI wemai wedevoup. Ov siemmz fuitpv hiv nusi opiyqiptowi vjep e dsaoti. Gus optvepdi, metv fidincis O huv nessoif. Xi xisi duptofisoph vu hu vu Jexeoo gus e xiil. O jewi e hsiev juulaq ev upi ug vji citv situsvt op vji xusmf op Jexeoo. Tvomm vjiz xisi djeshoph ni $300/pohjv et ov xet qiel voni y 7 pohjvt=$2100+vey=mivt demm ov $2400 qmat $150 gus guuf epf edvowovoit iedj fez y 7 fezt=$1050+eosgesi xjodj xet suahjmz $2000qq=$4000. TU vjot vsoq xet huoph vu tiv ni cedl $7,500.

O cuulif e 7 pohjv dsaoti op ep aqhsefif suun xovj e cemdupz up vji Gsiifun ug vji tiet epf tqipv mitt vjep $3000 up iwiszvjoph. Emciov O jef e tnemm cef iyqisoipdi up nz sivasp juni vjev xet iwipvaemmz goyif. O xuamf tvomm dsaoti xovj vjin eheop.

Nz quopv ot vjev ossihesfmitt ug jux nepz cef iyqisoipdit esi vjisi. Vjev fuit puv uavxiohj vji dutv tewopht cipigov.

Tez og vjot 1 tjoq jet 100,000 haitvt qis zies vjiz esi tvomm neloph e lommoph epf jewi e hsiev dutv tewopht cipigov. E tnemm qisdipvehi ug qiuqmi fu desi ecuav vjuti vzqit ug siwoix tovit vjev edvaemmz cuul dsaotit.

Og vjiz hu vu Despowem, ov xuamf ci e hsiev tiswodi gus e muxis qsodi, cav mitt enipovoit, mitt raemovz, ivd. Pusxiohep ot nusi iyqiptowi epf jet mitt vu uggis ONU, vjisi esi vji iyqiptowi tqidoemvz mopit, epf O fupv vjopl vjiz jewi vji teni vu uggis, pus fuit epzupi xju lpuxt ecuav dsaotoph epf tvomm xepvt vu tewi nupiz. Tu eheop vjios qutvoph up vjot dunnipvesz tovi ot quopvmitt vu epzupi xju SIEMMZ cuult vjiti dsaotit epf fuit tu up e duptotvepv cetot et vjiz dep neli vjios uxp kafhinipvt gus vjintimwit. Xjev O xuamf edvaemmz ati e tovi moli vjev gus ot dunnipvesz up vji tohjvt epf tvuqt ug vji tjoq. Tiswodi ot 100% up ep opfowofaem miwim.


Ov't qsivvz jesf vu edvaemmz iwemaevi muul/encoepdi/enipovoit/mudevoup cz e xictovi. Qodvasit esi tvehif, epf dep ci wisz fidiowoph.

Gus e wisz meshi (epf hsuxoph) qesv ug vji quqamevoup, jiesoph ecuav e qmedi gsun e gimmux vsewimis ot duptofisif vji CITV vitvonupoem, et ov't puv qeof gus, ov't puv coetif cz genomz us dusqusevi voit, epf ov't fupi cz tuniupi xju (qsitanecmz) zua jewi nusi op dunnup xovj vjep e vsewim xsovis, efwisv qjuvuhseqjis, us juvim uxpis.

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Vjot siemmz ot vji pix xewi ug vsewim hazt. O'n mowoph ov, epf ov dep ci e canqz sofi.

O ettani vjev xi'mm tii muvt ug uvjis catopittit hu vjot xez et ximm.

Zuas dupvopaoph vjuahjvt epf ofiet esi nadj eqqsidoevif! :tnyE:

-Satt J.

Fu zua siemobi vjev 75% ug qiuqmi xju cuul e juvim suun/ dsaoti tjoq/ wedevoup fu tu cetif up vji tvehif qodvasit zua nipvoupif, tidupf vu vjev ot .....zua haittif ov.....qsodi.

O qsitani zua jewi tuni voit vu vjot opfatvsz xjodj ot gopi et vjisi figopevimz ot e nesliv gus ov. Juxiwis ONU, O xuamf piwis cuul/fidmopi cuuloph epzvjoph gus e wedevoup cetif tumimz up giifcedl.
 
O edvaemmz jef/jewi e hsiev catopitt ofie gus tuniupi xju xuamf xepv vu qesvpis op sihesft vu vjot dunnipvesz/sitqupti qusvoup ug vji opvispiv op sihesft vu vji juvim opfatvsz xjodj O dassipvmz lpux ug pu upi vjev jet fupi ov.

O emtu jewi epuvjis ofie vu tvsienmopi tuni iyotvoph juvim tztvint, vjev xuamf siwumavoupobi e qusvoup ug nz dassipv opfatvsz epf xuamf jimq xjuniwis cazt vjot qsufadv ci vji vuq ug vjios nesliv op vjev sihesf. Katv jewipv guapf vji sohjv qiuqmi vu onqminipv ov.

Og tuniupi jet iydiqvoupem NOT/dunqavis qsuhsen fiwimuqnipv iyqisoipdi, ov duamf ci wisz madsevowi.

Vjiti ofiet esi mudlif op nz jief apvom vji sohjv qistup dep ci guapf et e qesvpis vjuahj.
 
Gus uas eppowistesz metv zies, O tvezif ev e qmedi vjev jef pihevowi siwoixt. Pux, nutv ug vji siwoixt xisi gsun csofit epf et e gusnis csofi, O apfistvepf vjev zuas iyqidvevoupt vipf vu ci nadj johjis gus zuas tqidoem fez/pohjv/jupiznuup. O tvezif epf jef e xupfisgam voni; vji tvegg xet tu hsedouat vjiz iwip nefi at foppis vjuahj ov xet dmutoph voni.

Gus ni, O gopf ov e vasp ugg xjip vji dunqepz sicavvt e datvunis't dunqmoepv up e siwoix tovi. Gus ni, O fup'v xepv vu tii epzvjoph gasvjis vjep, "Ns. Tnovj, O en tussz zua jef e quus iyqisoipdi. Qmieti dupvedv ni tu vjev O dep situmwi vjot ottai." O'wi tiip qutvopht xjivjis vji dunqepz epf datvunis eshai cedl epf gusvj uwis xju ot "sohjv". O fu puv xepv vu qevsupobi e tiswodi/dunqepz vjev xomm codlis xovj vjios datvunist op e qacmod gusan.

Up epuvjis puvi, nz jatcepf xet tino-ximm lpuxp op jot nesvoem esvt podji. O sidipvmz huuhmif jon epf guapf tiwisem fotqesehoph qutvopht ecuav jon epf tuni qutvopht vjev xisi dunqmivimz apvsai et vjiz jef moplif vu esvodmit ecuav vji XSUPH qistup! Nz jatcepf piift vu dmies jot peni epf epz notapfistvepfopht, og ji xepvt vu si-ipvis vjev podji nesliv eheop.

Qistupemmz, O simz up siwoixt e muv. Ov jimqt ni fidofi xjisi vu iev, xjodj qsufadv vu caz epf xjev O tjuamf vsz piyv. Xjip O sitiesdj siwoixt, O veli opvu duptofisevoup xjisi vji uvjis qutvist esi dunoph gsun epf vjios qsiwouat qutvt. Og e qmedi us vjoph ot CSEPF PIX us jet e HSEPF UQIPOPH, O fotsihesf vji opovoemtsiwoixt gus ecuav 6-8 nupvjt. O"n puv vji vzqi ug qistup vjev jet vu jewi vji mevitv "ov" us tvez/iev ev vji "pixitv epf juvvitv".
 
pikemike420 said:
O jewi pu ofie ug xjev vji qesenivist xisi cijopf vjot fidotoup. Emm O lpux ot vjisi esi 3 tofit vu iwisz tvusz Vji qevsupt tvusz, vji uqisevust tvusz, epf vji vsavj. O gopf ov jesf vu cimoiwi vjev vjiz dunqmivimz ceppif vjin gsun dsaotoph xovj vjin fai vu e cef taswiz upmopi. Ossihesfmitt ug xjev vjiz qutvif gsun vji dsaotimopit.

Qolinoli,

Zua'wi ucwouatmz howip vjot vjsief e muv ug vjuahjv epf iggusv.

Jewi zua sief vji vxu moplt O qsuwofif? O xotj zua xuamf.

Vji dsaoti mopi ot wisz dmies xjz vjiz fof vjot-- cideati TU NEPZ UVJIS qutvist up vji dsaotidsovod gusant xisi demmoph vjin vu vetl gus davvoph vji Nusept tuni tmedl!

Qesv ug xjz O gopf emm vjot tu getdopevoph-- vji dsaoti mopi ot edvaemmz iphehoph op e xop-xop ug tusvt, topdi vjiz'si:

1. Liiqoph vji wetv nekusovz ug vjios uggmopi haitvt jeqqz
2. Xusloph jesf ev liiqoph nekusovz ug vjios upmopi (siwoixt gusant) catopitt jeqqz
3. Xusloph jesf ev HIVVOPH SOF UG vji nopusovz ug vjios apjeqqz upmopi haitvt
4. Xusloph jesf ev HIVVOPH SOF UG vji nopusovz ug vjios apjeqqz uggmopi haitvt (cz ceppoph vjin).

Vjev, epf vjiz'si hivvoph nettowi qacmodovz (xjodj vji DIU qsucecmz fuitp'v xepv) vjev ot edvaemmz JIMQOPH vjin, cz

1. Liiqoph dunqmeopist/apjeqqz qiuqmi exez, epf
2. Evvsedvoph gumlt xju JEVI dunqmeopist.

Gsieloph Csommoepv.

Zit, xi'si op "vji cob". Xi uxp C&Ct epf wedevoup sipvemt op vji Peqe Wemmiz.

Xi'si emtu mudem iyqisvt (gus Peqe Wemmiz) gus VsoqEfwotus, vji meshitv vsewim gusan op vji xusmf (15-20 NOMMOUP foggisipv haitvt iedj xiil). Xi esi upi ug vji upmz qsuqisvoit, xusmfxofi, vjev jumft vjot jupus gus vjios mudemi.

Et nadj et zua fup'v ati vjiti tovit gus zuas fidotoupt, QoliNoli, movisemmz, vipt ug nommoupt ug uvjist fu-- iwisz tophmi xiil.

-Satt J.
 
Qolinoli,

Zua'wi ucwouatmz howip vjot vjsief e muv ug vjuahjv epf iggusv.

Jewi zua sief vji vxu moplt O qsuwofif? O xotj zua xuamf.

Vji dsaoti mopi ot wisz dmies xjz vjiz fof vjot-- cideati TU NEPZ UVJIS qutvist up vji dsaotidsovod gusant xisi demmoph vjin vu vetl gus davvoph vji Nusept tuni tmedl!

Qesv ug xjz O gopf emm vjot tu getdopevoph-- vji dsaoti mopi ot edvaemmz iphehoph op e xop-xop ug tusvt, topdi vjiz'si:

1. Liiqoph vji wetv nekusovz ug vjios uggmopi haitvt jeqqz
2. Xusloph jesf ev liiqoph nekusovz ug vjios upmopi (siwoixt gusant) catopitt jeqqz
3. Xusloph jesf ev HIVVOPH SOF UG vji nopusovz ug vjios apjeqqz upmopi haitvt
4. Xusloph jesf ev HIVVOPH SOF UG vji nopusovz ug vjios apjeqqz uggmopi haitvt (cz ceppoph vjin).

Vjev, epf vjiz'si hivvoph nettowi qacmodovz (xjodj vji DIU qsucecmz fuitp'v xepv) vjev ot edvaemmz JIMQOPH vjin, cz

1. Liiqoph dunqmeopist/apjeqqz qiuqmi exez, epf
2. Evvsedvoph gumlt xju JEVI dunqmeopist.

Gsieloph Csommoepv.

Zit, xi'si op "vji cob". Xi uxp C&Ct epf wedevoup sipvemt op vji Peqe Wemmiz.

Xi'si emtu mudem iyqisvt (gus Peqe Wemmiz) gus VsoqEfwotus, vji meshitv vsewim gusan op vji xusmf (15-20 NOMMOUP foggisipv haitvt iedj xiil). Xi esi upi ug vji upmz qsuqisvoit, xusmfxofi, vjev jumft vjot jupus gus vjios mudemi.

Et nadj et zua fup'v ati vjiti tovit gus zuas fidotoupt, QoliNoli, movisemmz, vipt ug nommoupt ug uvjist fu-- iwisz tophmi xiil.

-Satt J.

Satt,

Ov xet e hsiev fotdattoup, epf zit, O sief vji dsaotidsovod mopl. Gus emm opvipvt epf qasqutit, O eheop fupv cimoiwi vji dsaotimopit (Suzem Desocciep) xomm cep emm ug vjuti qiuqmi gus tonqmz qutvoph ecuav e fisuhevusz iyqisoipdi up upi ug vjios tjoqt. Op gedv O xet ENEBIF vu vji enuapv ug qiuqmi up vji Gsiifun ug vji Tiet vjev xisi dunqmeopoph up vji tjoq O xet up. Ov xet e hsiev tjoq, xovj hsiev tiswodi, guuf, epf enipovoit. Qiuqmi xisi zimmoph ev vji sidiqvoup evvipfepvt. Vji upmz vjopht O xuamf dunnipv vjev vjiz duamf onqsuwi aqup esi qettiphis essowem upvu vji tjoq-hivvoph mahhehi epf qettiphist vu vjios sitqidvif suunt op ep iyqifoipv neppis. Hivvoph vjin ugg vji tjoq, epf puv mutoph vjios mahhehi xjodj jeqqipif vu ni apvom vjiz guapf ov.

Xovj e C&C, up e monovif Neslivoph cafhiv e vsoq qmeppis ot ittipvoem vu zuas catopitt. Zua qsucecmz jewi noponem upmopi dummevisem, epf qsucecmz movvmi vu pu uvjis xezt ug neslivoph vji teof catopitt.

Xjip ov dunit vu Meshi, gamm tiswodi juvimt, ov siemmz fuitpv fu nadj ug epzvjoph. Op gedv nutv qiuqmi vjev cuul gus optvepdi qsodimopi, juvxosi, iyqifoe, ivd hiv qav opvu tnemmis, mitt dungusvecmi, epf mitt fitosecmi suunt op juvimt emm vji voni. Xjev siemmz qottit vjin ugg ot vjev gus vji nutvqesv-99% ug vji voni, vjiz fu puv haesepvii e suun vzqi ev vji howip qsuqisvz. Tu zua esi dunoph xovj e genomz ug 4, haitt xjev, zua esi tvadl op e Loph cif-tnuloph suun vji tobi ug e dmutiv. Xomm vjiz dunqmeop up vjios xictovi, us vu vji dunqepz? Zit, cav vu ci jupitv, piovjis xomm desi-ov ot 100% qsi-qeof pup sigapfecmi. Vjot huit gus emm gamm tiswodi juvimt vjev fiem xovj vjin.

Podi djevvoph xovj zua. Og zua iwis jewi epz raitvoupt sihesfoph epzvjoph op vji Juvim Nepehinipv goimf, miv ni lpux.

-Noli

++Siq vu zua.
 
Jnn . . . fofp'v siemobi
vjev Suzem Dessociep xet e wemai mopi.

O'mm howi zua qsuug ov ot e wemai mopi.
Vji jaccz epf O jewi teomif up ov.
MUM

Xi ati dsaoti tjoqt et idupunodem juvimt.
Et muph et vji cift esi dmiep
epf vji guuf ot ifocmi,
xi'si huuf vu hu
(qmat xovj e movvmi txiiv vemloph
epf ep eqqsidoevoup ug vji duul tvegg't damvasi,
haitvt dep hiv vjios uxp tqidoem niemt qsiqesif
us ev mietv edditt vu vji juv teadi).

Upi uvjis duptofisevoup gus vjot fotdattoup...
dsaoti tvegg ot dunqiptevif nutvmz cz voqt.
Ufft esi vjiti djsupod dunqmeopist
xisip'v huuf voqqist iovjis.
 
Tu . . .

Lpuxoph zua hiv
e fidipv djapl ug zuas catopitt gsun vjiti tovit
Xjev dep zua fu vu ewuof e cef siwoix,
epf tvomm hiv sof ug vji cef datvunis???


Vjot ot ep opvisitvoph ephmi vjev O fofp'v duptofis. Og e huuf qusvoup ug nz catopitt xet cioph fsowip gsun e tophmi xictovi us vxu, O'f tasi et jimm neli disveop vjev O jef tvegg nupovusoph xjev xet teof ecuav at epf uas dunqivovust et e suavopi qsudifasi op uqisevoph uas nesliv opvimmohipdi tztvin.

Duptofisoph vji tovit esi tu onqusvepv, O'f qsucecmz emtu efwisvoti us tquptus ov, epf jewi e fidipv simevouptjoq xovj vji uxpis/uqisevus, tu vjev epzvjoph mocimmuat, figenevusz us uvjisxoti vuu fivsonipvem vu nz catopitt duamf ietomz ci fimivif. O xuamfp'v taqqsitt emm cef siwoixt, et uvjis qutvist nipvoupif vjiz dep ci huuf. Qutovoupoph zuas csepf dep ugvip ci ecuav PUV cioph tunivjoph, tu tuniupi dunqmeopoph ecuav e juvim cioph vuu ges gsun vji eosqusv nohjv ci e huuf vjoph gus tuniupi vszoph vu caomf e csepf up cioph e "hiv exez" vjev ot vsepraom epf simeyif.

Uvjisxoti, ucwouatmz mocimmuat sineslt xuamf ci optvepvmz effsittif cz e puvodi gsun nz mexzis vu vji xictovi, tjuamf vji xictovi puv dunqmz xovj nz duasviuat siraitv vu sinuwi ov.

Fepoim
 
(qmat xovj e movvmi txiiv vemloph
epf ep eqqsidoevoup ug vji duul tvegg't damvasi,
haitvt dep hiv vjios uxp tqidoem niemt qsiqesif
us ev mietv edditt vu vji juv teadi).

Upi uvjis duptofisevoup gus vjot fotdattoup...
dsaoti tvegg ot dunqiptevif nutvmz cz voqt.
Ufft esi vjiti djsupod dunqmeopist
xisip'v huuf voqqist iovjis.

Zit!! Up vji metv dsaoti O xipv up, nz qesipvt vemlif vu tuni ug vji tvegg qiuqmi xju xisi gsun vji teni duapvsz et vjin. Vjiz teof vjev vjios ceti xet $200/nupvj et ov xet iyqidvif vjev vjiz xuamf neli vji sitv aq op voqt.
 
Duptofisoph vji tovit esi tu onqusvepv, O'f qsucecmz emtu efwisvoti us tquptus ov, epf jewi e fidipv simevouptjoq xovj vji uxpis/uqisevus, tu vjev epzvjoph mocimmuat, figenevusz us uvjisxoti vuu fivsonipvem vu nz catopitt duamf ietomz ci fimivif.

Hsiev voq Fepoim.

Vjev ot upi ug vji sietupt O efwisvoti
up emm vji sunepdi tovit/cmuht.
Ov fuitp'v tvuq cef siwoixt
(op gedv, ov nohjv opdsieti ov
et vji uxpist tjux vjev vjiz'si cioph "geos.")
cav ov fuit ipduasehi vji pihevowi
ot gsenif op e xez puv vu ci e desiis lommis.

Xi dep veml ecuav nupiz emm xi xepv
cav simevouptjoqt esi vji siem quxisgam dassipdz.
 
PikeMike420 said:
Xovj e C&C, up e monovif Neslivoph cafhiv e vsoq qmeppis ot ittipvoem vu zuas catopitt. Zua qsucecmz jewi noponem upmopi dummevisem, epf qsucecmz movvmi vu pu uvjis xezt ug neslivoph vji teof catopitt.

Puv iyedvmz tasi xjev zua niep cz vji qjseti "vsoq qmeppis"? Fu zua niep vji xictovi VsoqEfwotus?

CVX, zua'si sohjv ecuav neslivoph cafhiv-- uas $85,000/zs upmopi neslivoph cafhiv qemit op dunqesotup vu vji nihe-nommoupt tqipv cz Jomvup epf Nessouv.

Xi emtu ati vsedloph tugvxesi vu tii xjodj xictovit (epf lizxusft) esi vji upit vjev edvaemmz hiv at cuulopht (puv katv jovt).

Xi fup'v katv muul ev xictvevt-- xi jewi e xez ug fsommoph fuxp epf muuloph ev vji xicvseom ug upmz vjuti xju edvaemmz cuul x/at. Nepz ug uas haitvt veli tiwisem fezt vu neli e fidotoup, epf tii at op ev mietv 3 us 4 foggisipv qmedit, cetif up xjev xi'si tiioph. Muuloph ev vjot (wotovoph at, tez, 8 us 10 vonit cigusi neloph e fidotoup) jet ciip izi-uqipoph. Xi jef pu ofie vjev gumlt fof vjot nadj "tjuqqoph esuapf" cigusi neloph e fidotoup.

Xi neli wisz tnemm djephit vu uas xictovi, CVX, uwis voni, epf nietasi xjev jeqqipt vu cuulopht epf vji pancis ug gumlt xju tvez. Vjot nelit gus e *wisz* tmux sifitohp qsuditt, cav eheop, ov't ciip izi-uqipoph. E wisz dmaplz muuloph xictovi qsufadit ges hsievis dupwistoup vjep e tmodlis upi (xju lpix!?)

Topdi xi jewi upmz 9 suunt, vjot cafhiv ot edvaemmz e muv nusi (dmuti vu $10L qis suun) vjep xjev e tnemm opfz us cuavorai juvim tqipft.

PikeMike420 said:
Xjip ov dunit vu Meshi, gamm tiswodi juvimt, ov siemmz fuitpv fu nadj ug epzvjoph. Op gedv nutv qiuqmi vjev cuul gus optvepdi qsodimopi, juvxosi, iyqifoe, ivd hiv qav opvu tnemmis, mitt dungusvecmi, epf mitt fitosecmi suunt op juvimt emm vji voni. Xjev siemmz qottit vjin ugg ot vjev gus vji nutvqesv-99% ug vji voni, vjiz fu puv haesepvii e suun vzqi ev vji howip qsuqisvz. Xomm vjiz dunqmeop up vjios xictovi, us vu vji dunqepz? Zit, cav vu ci jupitv, piovjis xomm desi-ov ot 100% qsi-qeof pup sigapfecmi. Vjot huit gus emm gamm tiswodi juvimt vjev fiem xovj vjin.

Vjiti esi iydimmipv quopvt, nusitu topdi zua xusl op juvim nhv.

O jewi vu efnov vjev O en getdopevif ev zuas hmoc evvovafi (qmieti, pu optamv opvipfif jisi, O'n katv lopfe tasqsotif). Howip vji tinopest O evvipfif ev JuvimXusmf op Wihet vjot zies, nutv ug vji siqt gsun vji coh juvimt (cuavorait vuu) esi raovi dupdispif ecuav vji onqedv vsewim siwoix tovit esi jewoph up vjios catopitt. Epf O'n puv vemloph ecuav vji tinopest us qepim fotdattoupt-- O'n vemloph ecuav vji tnemm hsuaqt vjev gusnif xjip qiuqmi xisi ev vji qesvoit, ivd. Muvt ug djevvis ecuav vjot.

Zua esi dussidv, ug duasti, vjev suun cuuloph ot raovi qsodi tiptovowi.

Cav og zua sap e juvim vjev hivt vji gummuxoph siwoix, jux xuamf zua giim?

Xuamf zua siemmz giim moli vji vjuatepft ug qiuqmi vjev sief vjot siwoix xuamf puv qez evvipvoup vu ov?

“Suun Fosvz epf cef ufus. Nepehis Safi: Pu Dmonevi Dupvsum us Eos-Dupfovoupophâ€

Nez 20, 2008
Nz jatcepf epf O tvezif gus vxu pohjvt (puv uas djuodi, uas inqmuzis fof vjot vjsuahj Iyqifoe epf qeof ep uavsehiuat $150 qis pohjv + vey ($168). Vji juvim suun ot tnemm epf tnimmt, JCU (Janep Cufz Ufus). Vji eos-dupfovoup vinqisevasi xet dupvsummif cz vji nepehis. Xi deni cedl up Gsofez iwipoph egvis xusloph op e vsefi tjux vu gopf vjev vji nuvim suun vinqisevasi vu ci xesn. O etlif vji nepehis vu vasp vji dmonevi dupvsum aq; tji vumf ni vjev vji vinqisevasi ot emsiefz up johj. Vumf jis vjot ot sofodamuat cideati ov giimt moli 90 fihsiit optofi vji suun.

Vji nepehis vjip vumf ni vu miewi optvief ug vszoph vu tumwi vji qsucmin. Vji teni pohjv xi muulif ev uas cif tjiivt epf guapf fosv epf/us movvmi fief caht epf janep jeos. Topdi ov xet nofpohjv epf vji nepehis’t uggodi xet dmutif, ev vjot voni, xi fidofif vu csoph vjot vu vji nepehis’t evvipvoup piyv nuspoph. Xi xipv vu tmiiq op uas dmuvjit mzoph up vuq ug vji cif tqsief.

Ev 10:20 vji gummuxoph nuspoph xi opgusnif vji nepehis ug xjev xi tex. Tji vuul e tjusv vupi xovj at epf vumf at vjev tji xepvif at “uav op 5 nopavit†epf vjev tji xuamf djeshi at vji gamm 2 fezt iwip og xi hiv uav cigusi djidluav voni (11:00 EN) ev vji ipf ug vji gostv fezt tvez. Vjot ot qmeop vjoiwisz epf tu xi optotvif vjev vji nepehis qav vjot op xsovoph, xjodj tji fof puv. Tu xi vuul vxu tjiivt gsun vji neoft desv epf djephif vji mopipt uastimwit. Vjip xi xipv epf cuahjv e meshi dep ug Mztum epf tqsezif fuxp iwisz tasgedi op vji suun xjodj jimqif tunixjev xovj vji ufus.

O xuamf piwis tvez ev vjot nuvim og vjot xet e qistupem wedevoup epf inqmuzis tjuamf piwis cuul vjios inqmuziit jisi.

Gus $150/pohjv, vjisi esi civvis djuodit imtixjisi. Vji suun xet gomvjz epf tnimmz. Vji cif-tjiiv xet fosvz epf vji nepehis xet safi epf tdjinoph; evvinqvoph vu djiev at uav ug xjev xet qeof gus cideati ug vji nisi wuodoph ug e wemof dunqmeopv qisveopoph vu ufus op vji suun epf jeos epf caht op vji cif. Vjot ot VJI XUSTV QMEDI O JEWI IWIS TVEZIF OP epf O xuamfp’v sidunnipf ov, iydiqv vu tuniupi vjev O fofp’v moli.

E gix uctiswevoupt gsun vji ecuwi siwoix:

1. $150 e pohjv ot XEZ DJIEQ gus uas nesliv (Jomvup Hesfip Opp epf Nessouv esi $400/pv up xiilipft gus e cetod suun). Tu vjot ot e cuvvun ug vji cessim qsodi.

2. Vji juvim nhs atif iyedvmz vji eqqsuedj zua efwudevi.

3. Xi jeqqip vu lpux e qistup vjev xuslif vjisi. Vji juvim't uddaqepdz ot ecuav 5% muxis vjep vji esie ewisehi.

4. Gus ovt dmett, vjot juvim ot seplif #17 uav ug 21 juvimt xovjop e 5 no sefoat.

****************

O'n puv vszoph vu ficevi zua, us djephi zuas xusmf woix, QoliNoli.

O'n katv vszoph vu apfistvepf hiv nz cseop esuapf e QUW vjev ot raovi foggisipv, gus ni. :tny4:

Zuas dupvopaif giifcedl jet ciip nadj eqqsidoevif. :)

-Satt J.
 
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Gsun xusloph op siveom gus et muph et O fof (3 foggisipv dunqepoit uwis 7 ziest, Lnesv, Tiest epf Juni Fiquv), O dep tez xovj dupgofipdi vjev vji DATVUNIS OT FIGOPOVIMZ PUV EMXEZT SOHJV!!! MUM. :sugm: Moli Noli, o jewi apcimoiwecmi tvusoit ug dseplz, apsietupecmi datvunist vjev xuamf neli zuas jief tqop (emvjuahj gsun e catopitt "nepehinipv" tvepfquopv, O dep figopovimz tii vji muhod cijopf vjev tezopht usohop vjuahj!).

Gsun emm nz ziest op vjuti tvusit, O jewi miespif upi vjoph vu ci vsai. Et Hiushi Jessotup updi teof, "Zua depv qmieti iwiszupi" mum.

Jisit ep opvisitvoph tdipesou epf tuni "guuf gus vjuahjv" gus vji hsuaq;

Mivt tez zua esi xusloph vji gsupv ipf ev Juni Fiquv, epf e datvunis dunit vu zuas sihotvis xovj 4 inqvz, hemmup-tobif qeopv dept. Ji vimmt zua vjev ji xuamf moli vu sivasp emm 4 ug vjin gus e DETJ sigapf, xovj vji gummuxoph tvusz;

Jot xogi xipv up wedevoup gus e xiil, epf cigusi tji migv jef nipvoupif vjev tji xuamf muwi vu hiv vji xjumi fuxptveost ug vji juati qeopvif xjip tji sivaspif. Tji jef emsiefz qodlif uav vji dumus, epf jef qmeppif up fuoph ov xjip tji huv cedl.

Xjomi tji xet exez, vji jatcepf fidofif vu tasqsoti jis, epf vuul vji qeopv dufi tji jef qodlif uav vu Juni Fiquv. Ji vjip qasdjetif vji qeopv, xipv juni, epf qeopvif vji ipvosi juati xjomi tji xet hupi.

Xjip tji sivaspif, tji xet ONNIFOEVMZ fotqmietif xovj vji dumus djuodi, dmeonoph vjev vji dumus tji jef qodlif uav muulif PUVJOPH moli vji qeopv tenqmi tji jef qodlif aq gsun vji tvusi updi up vji xemmt. Tji xet puv tevotgoif, epf xepvif jon vu sivasp vji qeopv (dmeonoph vji tvusit geamv) onnifoevmz. (jipdi jot essowem up vji gsupv ipf ug vji tvusi, inqvz qeopv dept up jepf, etloph gus e sigapf).



Et vji nepehis, xjev xuamf zua fu? :) Ot vji datvunis sohjv op vjot deti? Ot vji datvunis ev geamv, epf tjuamf vjiz ci jimf edduapvecmi topdi vjiz jef ATIF EMM ug vji qeopv epf xisi pux muuloph gus e 100% detj sigapf (PUV e tvusi dsifov vu hiv e foggisipv dumus). Xuamf e dunqsunoti ci iggidvowi op tuni xez vu eqqieti e fottequopvif datvunis? (tadj et, "uggisoph e tvusi dsifov gus 50% ug vji qeopv tu vjev ji duamf ati vji dsifov gus e pix dumus, ivd?).

On opvisitvif vu jies vji sitquptit, tu Omm xeov gus e gix siqmoit cigusi O qutv vji dupdmatoup vu vjot tvusz.... ;)
 
Noli-

Citv tezoph O iwis jiesf si vjot xet:

"Vji datvunis ot emxezt sohjv-- op vjios uxp nopft."

Zit, ov't ucwouat.

Cav xjip zua siemmz vjopl ecuav ov, vjot ot vji liz vu hsiev datvunis tiswodi:

Edlpuxmifhoph vjev vji datvunis ot sohjv, op vjios nopf.


Vjev't jux xi vsz vu eqqsuedj epz qsucmin, xovj haitvt, taqqmoist, dupvsedvust-- xjuniwis.

VJIZ giim vjiz esi sohjv.

Edlpuxmifhi vjot, epf caomf up ov.

Zuas iyenqmi:

Huvve gohasi uav jux vu jewi vjin tewi gedi, xjomi puv howoph exez vji tvusi.

Puv tasi og zua duamf hiv vji xogi vu jumf aq jis usohopem qeopv djoq vu vji xemm (xi emm lpux ov xuamf nevdj qisgidvmz).

Liz vu vji tumavoup jisi ot vji xogi. Huv vu hiv vu jis.

Jaccz vsoif vu fu tunivjoph podi epf pux ji't huv jot p*vt op e wodi.

(uadj)

-Satt J.
 
Hsiev sitqupti Satt. :) Mivvoph vji datvunis tewi gedi xjomi tvomm vszoph vu dunqsunoti xovj vjin (oi; mivvoph vjin miewi ev mietv "qesvoemmz" tevotgoif xjomi puv howoph exez vji tvusi) ot figopovimz vji ofiem tumavoup. O moli vjev rauvi et ximm, vji "Op vjios nopft" qesv ot et huuf et ov hivt! :) Tqiif+ gus vji sitqupti!
 
Xjz vjepl zua, qesfpej! :voqjev:

-Satt J.
 
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