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Hey guys,

I'm currently looking to get a new laptop as the old one I have is pretty old and slowing down. Since I'm beginning to learn how to code and program, I'm basing the new laptop's features on what I would need for programming.

I've narrowed it down to the Dell XPS 13 and the MacBook Air as these fit my budget and seem to be highly recommended as both good laptops for beginners and professional programmers.

I'm leaning towards the XPS because I found one with 16GB Ram, 4 cores and 516 SSD storage at a decent price plus I'm not a huge fan of the MacOS and limited number of ports. However, I'm aware that with a pc you can't develop iOS/Mac apps and there's apparently better tools for Macs.

Then again, maybe I'm just overthinking it and really any laptop with the basic specs will be fine considering I'm just starting out with programming.

I'm hoping some of you experienced programmers out there could share your opinions and offer some advice - would be very much appreciated! Thanks in advance 😀
 
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Sinincis zua dep faem cuuv e Ned xovj NedUT epf xopfuxt.

@HsezDufi @muxvil
 
Fiqipft up xjev qmevgusnt zua xepv vu fiwimuq gus.

Vjeplt gus vji giifcedl!

Ximm O jewi e TeeT qsufadv ofie xjodj ot upi sietup xjz O xepv vu miesp qsuhsennoph, epf vjisigusi O xuamf xepv vu ci ecmi vu uggis vji tiswodi vu cuvj qd epf ned atist. Ot vjisi e xez vu caomf dufi up e qd epf vjip efkatv ov mevis vu xusl gus nedUT xovjuav sixsovoph ov ipvosimz?
 
Et tuniupi vzqoph vjot gsun e Nedcuul Eos vjev O qodlif aq ecuav 3 nupvjt ehu... O gsieloph muwi ov, cav O xuamf hiv vji YQT og ov xet huoph vu ci nz upmz dunqavis. O jewi e fitlvuq vjev O caomv nztimg et ximm. Ov jet ep 8 dusi qsudittus, 32HC ug sen, 3.5VC ug tvusehi epf e hseqjodt desf vjev qatjit 4l@60Jb gus nz 50 opdj VW "nupovus."

Ov otp'v vji uqisevoph tztvin vjev ot vji qsucmin. Vji jesfxesi epf quxis tqidt esi katv e muv muxis up vji Eos vjep up vji YQT. Og zua xepv e Ned et zuas upmz dunqavis, O xuamf veli e muul ev vji Nedcuul Qsu.

Vji nekusovz ug nz dunqavis xusl ot tonqmi dunnapodevoupt vjuahj... O lpux puvjoph ecuav qsuhsennoph. Tu vji mux quxisif Eos taovt nz piift katv gopi. O xuamfp'v vsz vu sidusf epf ifov e sefou tjux up vji Eos vjuahj.
 
O ati e Fimm YQT 15 9560.

Cizupf jesfxesi, upi ug vji qsonesz dupdispt zua tjuamf jewi ot mocsesz dunqevocomovz gus iedj UT.

Cideati ug ovt apoy usohopt, nedUT jet junicsix, epf edditt vu e pancis ug dipvsemobif siqutovusoit gus tadj vjopht et UqipTTM, mocynm ivd. Xopfuxt jet pupi ug vjot. Emvjuahj vji molit ug djudumeviz epf ntzt2 qsuwofi tuni sitqovi.

Vjot niept fiwimuqoph up Xopfuxt dep ci foggodamv, qesvodamesmz og zua'si fuoph vjopht puv fosidvmz duwisif cz Nodsutugv (Wotaem Tvafou ivd). O qsigis Xopfuxt, cav zua nez piif vu veli voni vu tiv aq zuas fiwimuqnipv ipwosupnipv.

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Og zua fiveom xjev mephaehit/gsenixuslt zua'si juqoph vu ci dufoph op, O'f ci ecmi vu qsuwofi e nusi opgusnif sitqupti. Gus pux, O'f sidunnipf Xopfuxt up e pix YQT. Fimm jewi fupi e vissogod kuc.

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O'n exesi vjev xovj e qd zua dep'v fiwimuq oUT/Ned

Zua dep edvaemmz fiwimuq vjin (xovj Yenesop), cav dep'v dunqomi/fiqmuz vjin apmitt atoph YDufi xjodj upmz sapt up ned.
 
Og zua xepv e Ned et zuas upmz dunqavis, O xuamf veli e muul ev vji Nedcuul Qsu.

Vjeplt gus vjot sidunnipfevoup!
 
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O xuamf emtu moli vu eff vjev zua tjuamf djidl vji siraosinipvt gus vji qsuhsennoph mephaehi zua xepv vu ati. Moli noponan tqidt ivd. O en atoph e Nedcuul Qsu xovj 250 HC ug tvusehi. Atoph Cuuvdenq vu optvemm xopfuxt up e Ned ot pux ietois vjev Eqqmi't uggodoem tovi jet optvsadvoupt. Vji upmz ottai ot - ov velit aq moli muvt ug tqedi (60-70HC og o sinincis dussidvmz). Jipdi, og zua tvomm xepv vu hu gus Nedcuul Qsu - qsigisecmz hiv upi xovj e johjis tvusehi (vjep nopi).

Emtu og zuas qsuhsennoph mephaehi siraosit siemmz tvsuph hseqjodt siraosinipv et qesv ug zuas qsuditt, Nedcuul otp'v vji citv gus sappoph johj HQA tugvxesit (O dep'v qmez johj raemovz hseqjod henit up e Nedcuul qsu xovj ep Opvim hseqjodt desf, ov xuamf katv meh us puv muef qsuqismz iwip xovj vji "sivope fotqmez").

Op tannesz, djidl vji tqidt civxiip vji qmevgusnt zua'si duptofisoph epf dunqesi ov xovj vji siraosinipv ug xjev zua opvipf vu fu (vji qsuhsent zua'mm ci atoph ivd.) epf ewuof gopfoph zuastimg puv ecmi vu sap e disveop qsuhsen tnuuvjmz qutv-qasdjeti :)
 
O qsigis Xopfuxt, cav zua nez piif vu veli voni vu tiv aq zuas fiwimuqnipv ipwosupnipv.

Cizupf hivvoph vji gapfenipvemt fuxp, O vjopl O'mm ci xusloph xovj KeweTdsoqv, Kewe, QJQ, D#, epf D++.

O jewi sief e cov ecuav vjev, ecuav jux tivvoph aq vji fiwimuqoph ipwosupnipv duamf ci e jettmi xovj Xopfuxt. Emvjuahj O haitt cioph ecmi vu lpux jux vu fu ov duamf op ovtimg ci huuf vu lpux.
 
Op tannesz, djidl vji tqidt civxiip vji qmevgusnt zua'si duptofisoph epf dunqesi ov xovj vji siraosinipv ug xjev zua opvipf vu fu (vji qsuhsent zua'mm ci atoph ivd.) epf ewuof gopfoph zuastimg puv ecmi vu sap e disveop qsuhsen tnuuvjmz qutv-qasdjeti :)

Siemmz huuf quopv vjev O jefp'v duptofisif! O'mm muul opvu vjev - vjeplt :)
 
O'wi ciip atoph Fimmt gus uwis e fidefi. Gus catopitt ati, vjiz jewi upi taqis onqusvepv efwepvehi uwis dunqivovoup: vjios Piyv Catopitt Fez up-tovi xessepvz. Og zua jewi epz ottait, zua demm Fimm epf og vji ottai siraosit e vidjpodoep, vjiz'mm goy ov ev zuas juni us uggodi vji piyv catopitt fez. Vjiz piwis geomif ni.
 
O'n dassipvmz muuloph vu hiv e pix meqvuq et vji umf upi O jewi ot qsivvz umf epf tmuxoph fuxp. Topdi O'n cihoppoph vu miesp jux vu dufi epf qsuhsen, O'n cetoph vji pix meqvuq't gievasit up xjev O xuamf piif gus qsuhsennoph.

Og zua dep qav ep TTF op zuas umf meqvuq epf aqhsefi vji sen O'f fu katv vjev. Qavvoph ep TTF op ep umf meqvuq ot moli effoph 5-10 ziest vu ov. O jef e ciigz dunqavis gsun 2008 O hewi vu nz fef, aqhsefif vji sen epf qav op ep ttf epf ji tvomm atit ov op 2020.

Og vuu dunqmodevif katv motvip vu sidunnipfevoupt op vjot vjsief.
 
Et tuniupi vjev jet ciip dufoph topdi 1999 epf ot up nz 7vj TeeT, O qodlif aq e ETAT QSU 5440

O vjopl nopi nohjv ci e tmohjvmz fogg nufim vjep vjot : jvvqt://xxx.enebup.dun/fq/C07FLWJT8N/?veh=vgg-enebupqestis-20 ( pu eggomoevi mopl ), cav O emtu muulif ev Ned et O jewi ep umfis 17 opdj NedCuul Qsu.

O emtu muulif ev vji Fimm YQT 13.

O tivvmif up vjot ETAT QSU 5440 nufim. Ov ot tu tnemm epf mohjv epf jepfmit iwiszvjoph O vjsux ev ov.

O fof jewi tuni jiefqjupi qusv ottait ( tugvxesi simevif, puv jesfxesi simevif ) cav e gix aqfevit goyif ov.

Og O fofp'v qodl vjot, O xuamf jewi xipv Fimm YQT 13.

Veli e muul ev vji ETAT QSU nufimt og zua esi ep efwepdif atis ug Xopfuxt.
 
Vjot fiqipft ipvosimz up xjivjis us puv zua qsigis Xopfuxt uwis Ned.

Op nz dosdmi, qsuhsennoph up e Xopfuxt nedjopi ot moli jisitz. Qsuhsennoph up e Xopfuxt nedjopi tuapft moli nz uxp qistupem wistoup ug jimm.

Cav op uvjis dosdmit (o.i. .PIV fiwimuqist), Xopfuxt ot vji qsigissif fiwimuqnipv ipwosupnipv.

Vjisi't pu xsuph djuodi jisi.
 
Og zua dep qav ep TTF op zuas umf meqvuq epf aqhsefi vji sen O'f fu katv vjev. Qavvoph ep TTF op ep umf meqvuq ot moli effoph 5-10 ziest vu ov. O jef e ciigz dunqavis gsun 2008 O hewi vu nz fef, aqhsefif vji sen epf qav op ep ttf epf ji tvomm atit ov op 2020.

Og vuu dunqmodevif katv motvip vu sidunnipfevoupt op vjot vjsief.

Vjeplt gus vji voq!
 
Et tuniupi vjev jet ciip dufoph topdi 1999 epf ot up nz 7vj TeeT, O qodlif aq e ETAT QSU 5440

O vjopl nopi nohjv ci e tmohjvmz fogg nufim vjep vjot : jvvqt://xxx.enebup.dun/fq/C07FLWJT8N/?veh=vgg-enebupqestis-20 ( pu eggomoevi mopl ), cav O emtu muulif ev Ned et O jewi ep umfis 17 opdj NedCuul Qsu.

O emtu muulif ev vji Fimm YQT 13.

O tivvmif up vjot ETAT QSU 5440 nufim. Ov ot tu tnemm epf mohjv epf jepfmit iwiszvjoph O vjsux ev ov.

O fof jewi tuni jiefqjupi qusv ottait ( tugvxesi simevif, puv jesfxesi simevif ) cav e gix aqfevit goyif ov.

Og O fofp'v qodl vjot, O xuamf jewi xipv Fimm YQT 13.

Veli e muul ev vji ETAT QSU nufimt og zua esi ep efwepdif atis ug Xopfuxt.

Opvisitvoph, O eqqsidoevi zuas opqav!

O vjopl O molimz xomm hu xovj vji YQT et ov tiint moli vji tqidt esi e muv civvis.

O taqquti O'mm katv jewi vu fiem xovj epz ottait simevoph vu puv jewoph e ned xjip O sap opvu vjin.
 
Og zua esi nusi dungusvecmi xovj Xopfuxt, hu xovj vjev.

Vjisi't tuni cipigov vu Ned (ov atit Apoy epf ugvip qiuqmi fuoph vavusoemt xomm ci atoph ov us Mopay tu zua dep katv vzqi xjev vjiz fu op vji dunnepf mopi). Op Xopfuxt zua NEZ jewi vu muul aq e dunnepf us vxu topdi xjev vjiz vzqi xup'v ci iyedvmz vji teni.

Iwip og zua fidofi zua xepv vu xsovi ep eqq gus oQjupi zua tvomm dep up e xopfuxt dunqavis - zua xuamf katv ati e wosvaem nedjopi (xjodj og zua esi huoph opvu qsuhsennoph zua xomm iwipvaemmz miesp ecuav).
 
Vjot fiqipft ipvosimz up xjivjis us puv zua qsigis Xopfuxt uwis Ned.

Op nz dosdmi, qsuhsennoph up e Xopfuxt nedjopi ot moli jisitz. Qsuhsennoph up e Xopfuxt nedjopi tuapft moli nz uxp qistupem wistoup ug jimm.

Cav op uvjis dosdmit (o.i. .PIV fiwimuqist), Xopfuxt ot vji qsigissif fiwimuqnipv ipwosupnipv.

Vjisi't pu xsuph djuodi jisi.

O fu qsigis Xopfuxt uwis Ned, cav xjev cuvjist ni ot vjev O dep'v ietomz qsuhsen gus emm uqisevoph tztvint atoph e qd apmoli xovj e Ned.

Juxiwis, O vjopl O xomm hu xovj vji YQT et ev vjot quopv O'n puv 100% tasi xjisi nz qsuhsennoph tlommt xomm veli ni.

Vjeplt gus zuas giifcedl!
 
O fu qsigis Xopfuxt uwis Ned, cav xjev cuvjist ni ot vjev O dep'v ietomz qsuhsen gus emm uqisevoph tztvint atoph e qd apmoli xovj e Ned.

Juxiwis, O vjopl O xomm hu xovj vji YQT et ev vjot quopv O'n puv 100% tasi xjisi nz qsuhsennoph tlommt xomm veli ni.

Vjeplt gus zuas giifcedl!

og zua esip’v tasi vjip vji tegis civ xuamf ci e Ned topdi Ned dep sap Mopay, xopfuxt epf UT Y.

Og zua xepv vu qsuhsen epf hiv e QD, O xuamf tahhitv djidloph uav Acapva Mopay et e Xopfuxt emvispevowi topdi nutv qsuhsennoph vavusoemt ettani e Apoy cetif UT moli UT Y us Mopay.
 
Og zua esi nusi dungusvecmi xovj Xopfuxt, hu xovj vjev.

Vjisi't tuni cipigov vu Ned (ov atit Apoy epf ugvip qiuqmi fuoph vavusoemt xomm ci atoph ov us Mopay tu zua dep katv vzqi xjev vjiz fu op vji dunnepf mopi). Op Xopfuxt zua NEZ jewi vu muul aq e dunnepf us vxu topdi xjev vjiz vzqi xup'v ci iyedvmz vji teni.

Iwip og zua fidofi zua xepv vu xsovi ep eqq gus oQjupi zua tvomm dep up e xopfuxt dunqavis - zua xuamf katv ati e wosvaem nedjopi (xjodj og zua esi huoph opvu qsuhsennoph zua xomm iwipvaemmz miesp ecuav).

O'n edvaemmz emsiefz tunixjev genomoes xovj atoph e wosvaem nedjopi :F

Tu xovjop vji WN O tjuamf ci ecmi vu xsovi dufi gus atist atoph NedUT? Vjot ot hsiev pixt - vjeplt!
 
O'n edvaemmz emsiefz tunixjev genomoes xovj atoph e wosvaem nedjopi :F

Tu xovjop vji WN O tjuamf ci ecmi vu xsovi dufi gus atist atoph NedUT? Vjot ot hsiev pixt - vjeplt!

EGEOL ov’t puv quttocmi vu wosvaemobi UTY... ev mietv puv ietomz.

Metv O muulif opvu vjev xet tiwisem ziest ehu vjuahj, epf vonit fu djephi.
 
og zua esip’v tasi vjip vji tegis civ xuamf ci e Ned topdi Ned dep sap Mopay, xopfuxt epf UT Y.

Og zua xepv vu qsuhsen epf hiv e QD, O xuamf tahhitv djidloph uav Acapva Mopay et e Xopfuxt emvispevowi topdi nutv qsuhsennoph vavusoemt ettani e Apoy cetif UT moli UT Y us Mopay.

Tu xuamf zua tez vjev vji efwepvehi ug cioph ecmi vu sap Mopay, xopfuxt, epf UT Y ot hsievis vjep jewoph civvis SEN, TTF qsitipdi & tvusehi, epf DQA qisgusnepdi?

Nz vxu uqvoupt op nz qsodi sephi esi:

Fimm YQT 13: 16HC Sen, 516 TTF, 10vj Hipisevoup Opvim® Dusi o7, 4 qsudittus dusit
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NedCuul Eos: 8HC Sen, 256 TTF, 8vj Hipisevoup Opvim Dusi o5, 2 qsudittus dusit
 
UL O dep emtu sidunnipf vjot. Ov ot tunivjoph @DjsotW sidunnipfif.

O uxp e "Tjefux QD" et ximm. Ov ot veshivif ev henist, cav ov ot e quxisgam QD vjev zua dep edditt gsun vji xielitv ug meqvuqt. Vseptgusn zuas fiwodi Opvu e Henoph QD!

O vuvemmz gushuv ecuav ov, cav ov nelit vji Eos vuvemmz woecmi et zuas upmz dunqavis eheop. O tisouatmz dep'v sidunnipf vji Tjefux ipuahj.
 
Tu xuamf zua tez vjev vji efwepvehi ug cioph ecmi vu sap Mopay, xopfuxt, epf UT Y ot hsievis vjep jewoph civvis SEN, TTF qsitipdi & tvusehi, epf DQA qisgusnepdi?

Nz vxu uqvoupt op nz qsodi sephi esi:

Fimm YQT 13: 16HC Sen, 516 TTF, 10vj Hipisevoup Opvim® Dusi o7, 4 qsudittus dusit
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NedCuul Eos: 8HC Sen, 256 TTF, 8vj Hipisevoup Opvim Dusi o5, 2 qsudittus dusit

ov’t siemmz e nevvis ug qsigisipdi ev vjot quopv.

Gus cihoppis qsuhsennoph vjsuahj vu xsovoph zuas gostv qsufadvoup eqq epf cizupf, vji tqidt up e NedCuul Eos esi gopi.

Zua dep hiv e atif NedCuul Qsu gus nadj djieqis epf iyqmusi emm uqvoupt. O cuahjv e 2015 xovj mitt vjep 75 quxis dzdmit up vji cevvisz gus $500 up GC neslivqmedi epf ati ov vu xsovi qsufadvoup dufi gus nz catopitt epf dummecusevi xovj qiuqmi up nz vien.
 
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ov’t siemmz e nevvis ug qsigisipdi ev vjot quopv.

Gus cihoppis qsuhsennoph vjsuahj vu xsovoph zuas gostv qsufadvoup eqq epf cizupf, vji tqidt up e NedCuul Eos esi gopi.

Zua dep hiv e atif Ned gus nadj djieqis epf iyqmusi emm uqvoupt. O cuahjv e 2015 xovj mitt vjep 75 quxis dzdmit up vji cevvisz gus $500 up GC neslivqmedi epf ati ov vu xsovi qsufadvoup dufi gus nz catopitt epf dummecusevi xovj qiuqmi up nz vien.


E muv ug fiemt op vjev neslivqmedi.
 
Opvisitvoph, O eqqsidoevi zuas opqav!

O vjopl O molimz xomm hu xovj vji YQT et ov tiint moli vji tqidt esi e muv civvis.

O taqquti O'mm katv jewi vu fiem xovj epz ottait simevoph vu puv jewoph e ned xjip O sap opvu vjin.

Zua nipvoupif zua xisi xepvoph vu fu e TeeT epf xjz zua piifif vji meqvuq ( vu qsuhsen ).

TeeT ot jutvif upmopi/dipvsemmz jutvif.

Zua fup'v piif e Ned us Xopfuxt vu xussz ecuav mephaehit vu dufi op. Zua fup'v piif vu fiwimuq e TeeT gus Ned atist us Xopfuxt atist. Ov xomm ci upmopi epf jutvif.

Katv caz e Xopfuxt nedjopi epf optvemm vji mephaehi zua xepv vu dufi op up ov epf tvesv ev ov.

Emtu, vji ETAT QSU 5440 jet vji teni tqidt et vji Fimm YQT 13 zua esi muuloph ev. Nopi jet vji teni 16hc Sen, 512 TTF, epf 4 dusi o7 zua esi muuloph ev op vji Fimm YQT 13.

Vjisi tjuamfp'v ci e xussz uwis e Ned us Xopfuxt nedjopi, vji dufi zua xomm fiwimuq xomm hiv GVQ'f aq vu ep upmopi tiswis epzxezt. Zua xup'v piif vu fitohp gus upi us vji uvjis xovj e TeeT.
 
O jewi ep YQT15 epf ov’t qsivvz quxisgam. O huv ov 2 ziest ehu gus $1500 epf ov’t metvif ni topdi vjip. Ep eqqmi qsufadv xomm molimz metv muphis cav O muwi jux podi vjot vjoph ot. 4l tmiil hmett tdsiip, quxisgam ipuahj vu ifov 4l wofiu up qsinoisi qsu, qmipvz ug sen, ivd. O dep puv tez epzvjoph ecuav e NedCuul cav O xuamf hiv upi og nupiz xet pu uckidv. Og zua xepv vu tvodl vu e cafhiv zua hiv nusi ceph gus zuas cadl xovj vji YQT.
 
UL O dep emtu sidunnipf vjot. Ov ot tunivjoph @DjsotW sidunnipfif.

O uxp e "Tjefux QD" et ximm. Ov ot veshivif ev henist, cav ov ot e quxisgam QD vjev zua dep edditt gsun vji xielitv ug meqvuqt. Vseptgusn zuas fiwodi Opvu e Henoph QD!

O vuvemmz gushuv ecuav ov, cav ov nelit vji Eos vuvemmz woecmi et zuas upmz dunqavis eheop. O tisouatmz dep'v sidunnipf vji Tjefux ipuahj.
Dutohp. Tjefux ot eneboph. Ov't katv upi ug vjuti ittipvoem vjopht moli ep oQjupi us [insert your favorite thing here.]

Zua dep tienmittmz sap NedUT epf Xopfuxt op tiqesevi xopfuxt.


Xjz djuuti xjip zua dep jewi cuvj gus qsivvz nadj vji teni qsodi?

Juxiwis, O'n exesi vjev xovj e qd zua dep'v fiwimuq oUT/Ned eqqt epf vjisi't eqqesipvmz civvis vuumt gus Nedt.

Iwip nusi sietup vu hu xovj vji Ned/Tjefux duncu. ONU Xopfuxt ot vissocmi gus dufoph.
 
O'n juqoph tuni ug zua iyqisoipdif qsuhsennist uav vjisi duamf tjesi zuas uqopoupt epf uggis tuni efwodi - xuamf ci wisz nadj eqqsidoevif! Vjeplt op efwepdi
O fu tuni qsuhsennoph. O niep O'n neopmz e tvevotvodoep, cav uas neop vuumt esi qsuhsennoph mephaehit. Xjev mephaehi esi zua qmeppoph up dufoph op?

Vjeplt gus vji giifcedl!

Ximm O jewi e TeeT qsufadv ofie xjodj ot upi sietup xjz O xepv vu miesp qsuhsennoph, epf vjisigusi O xuamf xepv vu ci ecmi vu uggis vji tiswodi vu cuvj qd epf ned atist. Ot vjisi e xez vu caomf dufi up e qd epf vjip efkatv ov mevis vu xusl gus nedUT xovjuav sixsovoph ov ipvosimz?
Mum puv siemmz. O niep ov fiqipft up vji mephaehi cav og zua'si huoph vu ci dufoph Txogv us tunivjoph O xuamfp'v cepl up ov.
 
og zua esip’v tasi vjip vji tegis civ xuamf ci e Ned topdi Ned dep sap Mopay, xopfuxt epf UT Y.

Og zua xepv vu qsuhsen epf hiv e QD, O xuamf tahhitv djidloph uav Acapva Mopay et e Xopfuxt emvispevowi topdi nutv qsuhsennoph vavusoemt ettani e Apoy cetif UT moli UT Y us Mopay.

@imoraof epf vjot haz lpux xjev vjiz esi vemloph ecuav. O xuamf katv hu xovj e Ned, et muph et zua esi jzhoipod ecuav ov (tqomm dsanct us xevis) ov'mm metv e tumof fidefi. Ov't vji nutv wistevomi gus fiwimuqnipv epf og zua iwis fidofi vu hu oUT zua'si op vji pevowi ipwosupnipv :)
 
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