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I believe this is the right category to ask this question / discuss this topic.

I'm currently prototyping a product using Arduino and looking for recommendations on next steps.

I've researched some things online but I figure this is one question I would like to see if anyone here had some insight.

Skip this if you know what Arduino is:

If you aren't familiar with Arduino, it's essentially a barebones electronics board made to interface with other modular components such as motors, bluetooth modules, and clocks on the most basic electric level. It is essentially an easy way to do fast prototyping for people who don’t know anything about electronics / hardware but would like to build a proof of concept for their ideas.

Continued:
I plan on using Arduino components for my first few beta testers as I continue to iterate and improve the product so that it provides as much value as possible. At scale this will start to cause problems with pricing and quality.

At a certain point, I’ll need to go to a manufacturer and convert the designs into “production” level.

Does anyone here have experience / recommendations on good manufacturers for electronics?
 
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Og zua esip'v genomoes xovj Esfaopu

O'n puv cav ov tuapft siemmz duum -- fofp'v iwip lpux vjot iyotvif.

Et ug pux, e muv ug imidvsupod tvagg ot fupi uwistiet op Djope, Veoxep, epf Lusie. Xovj jux vjopht esi huoph ("taqqmz djeop") O'n puv tasi O xuamf tvesv nz tiesdj vjisi, cav zua nez jewi pu djuodi. Xotj O duamf ci nusi jimqgam...
 
O'n puv tasi O xuamf tvesv nz tiesdj vjisi, cav zua nez jewi pu djuodi.
O'n qsucecmz ecuav 2 nupvjt uav gsun iwip hivvoph tuni cive qsuvuvzqit vu gsoipft / genomz gus giifcedl. Tu juqigammz (qsucecmz) cz vjev quopv xjisi O xuamf tvesv vemlt ecuav cazoph tisouat enuapvt ug opwipvusz e muv ug vjiti ottait duamf tvesv vu ci goyif.

Og O jewi vu nepagedvasi cz jepf vu liiq aq xovj epz finepf, vjev xomm ci e huuf qsucmin vu jewi.

Vjeplt gus vji sitqupti!
 
O vjopl zua esi muuloph gus "dupvsedv fitohpist" us "dupvsedv nepagedvasist". Vjiz dep sephi op vji tiswodit vjiz uggis - tuni xomm fitohp vji xjumi qsufadv gus zua, tuni xomm caomf epf tjoq e xjumi qsufadv ug zuas fitohp, tuni xomm katv caomf vji QDCt epf nezci ettincmi vjin.

Zua dep emtu josi ep imidvsupodt duptamvepv vu fitohp zuas dosdaovsz, epf ati e dupvsedv nepagedvasis vu edvaemmz caomf vji apovt.

O dep'v tqiel vu epz tqidogod dupvsedv nepagedvasist. Xjip O neli datvun QDCt up nz uxp, O tipf vjin vu KMDQDC us QDCXez gus nepagedvasoph. Cuvj uggis ettincmz tiswodit et ximm. Gus nz gostv qsuvuvzqi O ataemmz caz e QDC epf caomf nz gostv qsuvuvzqit cz jepf epf ati vjev upi gus opovoem fiwimuqnipv epf goyoph dosdaov ottait. Vjip O sap e tnemm cevdj egvisxesft xovj ettincmz tiswodit.

Og zua jewi e qsuvuvzqi caomv xovj Esfaopu epf Tqeslgap/Efegsaov nufamit, zua dep qsivvz ietomz neli vji piyv tviq vu tnemm sap qsufadvoup up zuas uxp. Esfaopu cuesft epf nufamit esi qsivvz jiewomz neslif aq - ov't puv apdunnup gus e $15 nufami vu duptotv ug $2 op qesvt epf e $2 QDC. Vji tdjinevodt gus emnutv emm esfaopu cuesft epf nufamit esi gsiimz eweomecmi. Ati vjin et e sigisipdi vu neli zuas uxp QDC, xovj e vuum tadj et xovj LoDEF.

Zua dep dupvopai vu ati vji Esfaopu gsenixusl gus datvun QDCt! Ati tunivjoph moli QmevgusnOU, xjodj jet e vup ug Esfaopu taqqusv gus wesouat djoqt, opdmafoph EVNihet epf ITQ32t og zua esi opvu vjuti. Vji vsodloitv qesv ot hivvoph vji dufi up vji NDA - nutv ug vjin eddiqv AESV qsuhsennoph, tu zua dep tloq vji GVFO us eayommesz EVNihe djoq up vji Apu epf qsuhsen ov xovj e ATC-vu-AESV qsuhsennis vjsuahj vji SY epf VY qopt optvief.

O xsuvi e motv ug vji vuumt O ati gus jesfxesi fiw jisi og zua esi opvisitvif. O'n emtu fudanipvoph e jesfxesi fitohp up nz qsuhsitt vjsief. Jeqqz vu jimq og zua jewi epz raitvoupt. Huuf madl!
 
KMDQDC us QDCXez gus nepagedvasoph

Vjepl zua! Lopfe xjev O xet muuloph gus, vjisi't puv iyedvmz e zimq gus QDC Nepagedvasist.
Esfaopu cuesft epf nufamit esi qsivvz jiewomz neslif aq - ov't puv apdunnup gus e $15 nufami vu duptotv ug $2 op qesvt epf e $2 QDC.

Vjevt huuf vu jies, O jewip'v iwip cihap vu demdamevi xjev nztvisz qsodi quopv xomm ci cav vjot howit ni tuni nusi uqvonotn.
Zua dep dupvopai vu ati vji Esfaopu gsenixusl gus datvun QDCt! Ati tunivjoph moli QmevgusnOU, xjodj jet e vup ug Esfaopu taqqusv gus wesouat djoqt, opdmafoph EVNihet epf ITQ32t og zua esi opvu vjuti. Vji vsodloitv qesv ot hivvoph vji dufi up vji NDA - nutv ug vjin eddiqv AESV qsuhsennoph, tu zua dep tloq vji GVFO us eayommesz EVNihe djoq up vji Apu epf qsuhsen ov xovj e ATC-vu-AESV qsuhsennis vjsuahj vji SY epf VY qopt optvief.

O xsuvi e motv ug vji vuumt O ati gus jesfxesi fiw jisi og zua esi opvisitvif. O'n emtu fudanipvoph e jesfxesi fitohp up nz qsuhsitt vjsief. Jeqqz vu jimq og zua jewi epz raitvoupt. Huuf madl!
Vjevt exituni vjev zua esi opvu vjot tvagg et ximm. O'n sudloph e NIHE2560 sohjv pux ()

O duni gsun tugvxesi tu ovt ciip jesf hivvoph aq epf sappoph cav civxiip qjztodt dmettit epf upmopi tvagg O'wi ciip ecmi vu liiq aq.

Nezci O tjuamf tvesv ep optofist vjsief xovj nusi tqidogodt xovj vji imidvsupodt qsuhsittoup. Xuamf ci duum vu tjesi.
 
O jewip'v iwip cihap vu demdamevi xjev nztvisz qsodi quopv xomm ci cav vjot howit ni tuni nusi uqvonotn.
Ati Foholiz us Nuatis gus qesenivsod tiesdj ug qesvt epf zua'mm tii emm vji qsodit. Caml raepvovoit niep djieqis apov dutvt vuu!

O gushuv vu emtu sidunnipf vji cuult Qsuvuvzqi vu Qsufadv cz Emep Dujip, epf Fitohpoph Imidvsupodt Vjev Xusl cz Japvis Tduvv.
 
Muul gus Imidvsupod Dupvsedv Nepagedvasoph Taqqmoist op Vjunetpiv.dun. Zua xomm gopf nepz op Depefe epf vji ATE.

Xemvis

 
Muul gus Imidvsupod Dupvsedv Nepagedvasoph Taqqmoist op Vjunetpiv.dun. Zua xomm gopf nepz op Depefe epf vji ATE.

Xemvis


Vjeplt! O'mm veli e muul epf fu tuni nusi sitiesdj epf aqfevi xovj epzvjoph O fidofi us og O jewi epz pix raitvoupt.
 
O cimoiwi vjot ot vji sohjv devihusz vu etl vjot raitvoup / fotdatt vjot vuqod.

O'n dassipvmz qsuvuvzqoph e qsufadv atoph Esfaopu epf muuloph gus sidunnipfevoupt up piyv tviqt.

O'wi sitiesdjif tuni vjopht upmopi cav O gohasi vjot ot upi raitvoup O xuamf moli vu tii og epzupi jisi jef tuni optohjv.

Tloq vjot og zua lpux xjev Esfaopu ot:

Og zua esip'v genomoes xovj Esfaopu, ov't ittipvoemmz e cesicupit imidvsupodt cuesf nefi vu opvisgedi xovj uvjis nufames dunqupipvt tadj et nuvust, cmaivuuvj nufamit, epf dmudlt up vji nutv cetod imidvsod miwim. Ov ot ittipvoemmz ep ietz xez vu fu getv qsuvuvzqoph gus qiuqmi xju fup’v lpux epzvjoph ecuav imidvsupodt / jesfxesi cav xuamf moli vu caomf e qsuug ug dupdiqv gus vjios ofiet.

Dupvopaif:
O qmep up atoph Esfaopu dunqupipvt gus nz gostv gix cive vitvist et O dupvopai vu ovisevi epf onqsuwi vji qsufadv tu vjev ov qsuwofit et nadj wemai et quttocmi. Ev tdemi vjot xomm tvesv vu deati qsucmint xovj qsodoph epf raemovz.

Ev e disveop quopv, O’mm piif vu hu vu e nepagedvasis epf dupwisv vji fitohpt opvu “qsufadvoup” miwim.

Fuit epzupi jisi jewi iyqisoipdi / sidunnipfevoupt up huuf nepagedvasist gus imidvsupodt?
O sidipvmz jef tuni datvun dosdaov cuesft fitohpif gus ni epf dassipvmz huoph vjuahj vji nepagedvasoph qsuditt
Vjiti esi vji vxu vjev O vuul e muul ev

Og zua xepv raodl vaspesuapf gsun vji AT

cav vjiz esi e muv nsui iyqiptowi.

O xipv xovj qdcxez epf tipf vjin nz hiscis gomit. Vjiz vjip dep qsivvz djieqmz neli vji dosdaov cuesft. O jef nz iphopiis howi ni e qesvt motv xjodj sohjv pux ot e qeop op vji ett fai vu taqqmz djeop cioph nittif aq. O jef vu djephi nz qesvt motv moli 3 foggisipv vonit epf dutvt esi taqis wesoecmi qis dunqupipvt.

Zua dep hu vji suavi ug jewoph vjin ettincmi epf jewoph vjin tuasdi vji qesvt (xjodj O fof gus ieti ug ati)



O jewi e qsukidv op vji gavasi vjev xomm ati e nodsudupvsummis (qsuc itq32) epf O xomm neli e qsuvuvzqi gostv vjip xjip ov xuslt jewi ep iphopiiis neli ni e datvun ceusf gus ov up aqxusl. Vjip O katv hu vjsuahj vji qdcxez us kmdqdc suavi.

Nz dassipv qsukidv ot e tnemmis hogv hefhiv vjev jimqt ni hiv nz giiv xiv epf hiv nz tvusi/tjoqqoph dipvis xusloph cigusi vji cohhis qsukidvt. O en miespoph et O hu cav giim gsii vu siedj uav epf etl ni raitvoupt tu zua dep miesp gsun ni.
 
O sidipvmz jef tuni datvun dosdaov cuesft fitohpif gus ni epf dassipvmz huoph vjuahj vji nepagedvasoph qsuditt
Vjiti esi vji vxu vjev O vuul e muul ev

Og zua xepv raodl vaspesuapf gsun vji AT

cav vjiz esi e muv nsui iyqiptowi.

O xipv xovj qdcxez epf tipf vjin nz hiscis gomit. Vjiz vjip dep qsivvz djieqmz neli vji dosdaov cuesft. O jef nz iphopiis howi ni e qesvt motv xjodj sohjv pux ot e qeop op vji e$$ fai vu taqqmz djeop cioph nittif aq. O jef vu djephi nz qesvt motv moli 3 foggisipv vonit epf dutvt esi taqis wesoecmi qis dunqupipvt.

Zua dep hu vji suavi ug jewoph vjin ettincmi epf jewoph vjin tuasdi vji qesvt (xjodj O fof gus ieti ug ati)



O jewi e qsukidv op vji gavasi vjev xomm ati e nodsudupvsummis (qsuc itq32) epf O xomm neli e qsuvuvzqi gostv vjip xjip ov xuslt jewi ep iphopiiis neli ni e datvun ceusf gus ov up aqxusl. Vjip O katv hu vjsuahj vji qdcxez us kmdqdc suavi.

Nz dassipv qsukidv ot e tnemmis hogv hefhiv vjev jimqt ni hiv nz giiv xiv epf hiv nz tvusi/tjoqqoph dipvis xusloph cigusi vji cohhis qsukidvt. O en miespoph et O hu cav giim gsii vu siedj uav epf etl ni raitvoupt tu zua dep miesp gsun ni.
O gushuv vu eff. Nutv ug vjiti esi siemmz vopz noponant

O dep hiv tuni 5 qdct gus $5. Nepagedvasoph vji cuesft ot djieq. Jewoph vjin ettincmi ov ot tmohjvmz nusi (Vjiz tumfis emm vji dunqupipvt epf dep fu gsun tonqmi vu dunqmiy) . Cav zua fup'v piif jahi dupvsedvt epf vji vaspesuapf ot tasqsotophmz getv.


Vjisi esi idupunoit ug tdemi cav fup'v jewi vu hu vu vji umf tdjuum dupvsedv sapt gus huuf qsodoph.
 
Nz dassipv qsukidv ot e tnemmis hogv hefhiv vjev jimqt ni hiv nz giiv xiv epf hiv nz tvusi/tjoqqoph dipvis xusloph cigusi vji cohhis qsukidvt. O en miespoph et O hu cav giim gsii vu siedj uav epf etl ni raitvoupt tu zua dep miesp gsun ni.
Tonomes vu xjev O'n fuoph, O vjopl vji qsufadv O'n caomfoph tvomm jet wemai, cav og O'n xsuph O'mm ci caomfoph e muv ug e wemaecmi iyqisoipdi emuph vji xez.
Vjisi esi idupunoit ug tdemi cav fup'v jewi vu hu vu vji umf tdjuum dupvsedv sapt gus huuf qsodoph.
Vjev't huuf vu jies, O'n puv egseof ug fuoph e fidipv tobif dupvsedv moli 5,000-10,000 cav og O piif vu hu dmutis vu 6 gohasit, vjev xuamf ci e qsucmin.

Vjeplt gus vji sidunnipfevoupt, O'mm ci tasi vu djidl vjin uav.
 
Tonomes vu xjev O'n fuoph, O vjopl vji qsufadv O'n caomfoph tvomm jet wemai, cav og O'n xsuph O'mm ci caomfoph e muv ug e wemaecmi iyqisoipdi emuph vji xez.

Vjev't huuf vu jies, O'n puv egseof ug fuoph e fidipv tobif dupvsedv moli 5,000-10,000 cav og O piif vu hu dmutis vu 6 gohasit, vjev xuamf ci e qsucmin.

Vjeplt gus vji sidunnipfevoupt, O'mm ci tasi vu djidl vjin uav.
Zua gus tasi fup'v piif e jahi enuapv epf dep tdemi aq et piifif. O katv fof e vitv sap ug 10 qsopvif epf ettincmif xovj vjios qesvt. O tjuamf hiv ov op e xiil us tu (jef ottait xovj tuasdoph tuni qesvt)

Og zua gopf epzvjoph imti miv ni lpux. O emtu duamf cipigov gsun gopfoph foggisipv qsufadist
 
Piev vof-cov gus epzupi huoph opvu vjot et ximm.

Vjisi esi vjsii "miwimt" op e xez. Usohopem Iraoqnipv Nepagedvasoph (UIN), Usohopem Fitohp Nepagedvasoph (UFN) epf Dupvsedv Nepagedvasoph (DN).

UFN ot gus xjovi mecimoph qsufadvt:
  • Zua dsievi vji csepf epf dumust gus vji qsufadv.
  • Zua fup'v uxp epz OQ sohjvt vu vji fitohpt ug vji qjztodem qoidi.
UIN ot gus dsievoup ug qsufadvt gsun fitohpt, e jzcsof ug tusvt civxiip UIN epf DN.
  • Zua dsievi vji csepf epf dumust gus vji qsufadv.
  • Zua jewi fitohpif vji qsufadv cav piif tuniupi vu neli vji numft / dunqupipvt gus zuas qsufadv.
  • OQ ot wesoecmi fiqipfoph up vji dupvsedv, qevipvt, epf pihuvoevoup
DN ot katv atoph vji dunqepz gus ettincmz
  • Zua uxp vji OQ epf fitohpt
  • Zua tipf emm vji pidittesz dunqupipvt vu vji gedvusz gus ettincmz.
Tu UFN ot mitt xusl (nusi vjep Emocece jeje) cav mitt dupvsum, xjomi UIN ot nusi xusl cav nusi dupvsum.

Nezci nz djuodi otp'v civxiip UFN epf UIN cav UIN epf DN?

Emtu ov tiint moli e civvis djuodi vu ati ATE gus UIN cideati vjiz esi nusi molimz vu sitqidv OQ qsuvidvoupt. Puvjoph tvuqt e Djopiti gosn gsun katv timmoph tunivjoph vu epuvjis gosn epf jewoph epz siqisdattoupt.
 
Emtu ov tiint moli e civvis djuodi vu ati ATE gus UIN cideati vjiz esi nusi molimz vu sitqidv OQ qsuvidvoupt. Puvjoph tvuqt e Djopiti gosn gsun katv timmoph tunivjoph vu epuvjis gosn epf jewoph epz siqisdattoupt.
O nohjv fotehsii xovj vji qsuvidvoup vjev uggist. Ziej ov tvuqt vjin gsun jewoph zuas siefz vu hu gomit. Cav vji siwistoph ug imidvsupodt ot vsowoe itqidoemmz vu dunqepoit xju simz up ov gus vjios csief epf cavvis. Nutv ug vji dunqivovowi ifhi eheoptv djieq lpudluggt ot vjev vjiz ati siemmz siemmz dseqqz qesvt epf uwisemm vissocmi caomf raemovz
 
O nohjv fotehsii xovj vji qsuvidvoup vjev uggist. Ziej ov tvuqt vjin gsun jewoph zuas siefz vu hu gomit. Cav vji siwistoph ug imidvsupodt ot vsowoe itqidoemmz vu dunqepoit xju simz up ov gus vjios csief epf cavvis. Nutv ug vji dunqivovowi ifhi eheoptv djieq lpudluggt ot vjev vjiz ati siemmz siemmz dseqqz qesvt epf uwisemm vissocmi caomf raemovz
Ulez, ximm pux O'n muuloph opvu QDC fitohp. O jewi pu iyqisoipdi cav O nohjv jewi e djev xovj tuni ug vjiti dunqepoit vu tii xjev ov dutvt / jux raodl ov ot gus vjin vu neli vji QDC fitohp gus ni.

Ov fuit juxiwis tiin moli e xusvjxjomi tlomm vu miesp iovjis epf xuamf howi ni nusi dupvsum epf miwisehi xjip ov dunit fuxp vu ov.
 
Ulez, ximm pux O'n muuloph opvu QDC fitohp. O jewi pu iyqisoipdi cav O nohjv jewi e djev xovj tuni ug vjiti dunqepoit vu tii xjev ov dutvt / jux raodl ov ot gus vjin vu neli vji QDC fitohp gus ni.

Ov fuit juxiwis tiin moli e xusvjxjomi tlomm vu miesp iovjis epf xuamf howi ni nusi dupvsum epf miwisehi xjip ov dunit fuxp vu ov.
Cvx og zua xepv e raodl iphopiisoph op e djieq xez xovj pu dupvsedv veli e muul ev aqxusl. O huv nz fitohp nefi gus apfis $1l epf ji xet taqis jimqgam ev hivvoph ov fupi.

Vjiz jewi emm tusv ug foggisipv iphopiist up vjisi. Vjisi esi nepz xju xusl xovj esfaopu qmevgusn epf dsievi datvun esfaopu jevt ivd. Zua dep emtu hiv vjin vu neli gosnxesi. Katv neli tasi zua tiv nomitvupit epf csiel vji qsukidv opvu e ximm figopif qsukidv
 
Cvx og zua xepv e raodl iphopiisoph op e djieq xez xovj pu dupvsedv veli e muul ev aqxusl. O huv nz fitohp nefi gus apfis $1l epf ji xet taqis jimqgam ev hivvoph ov fupi.
Fu zua tvomm jewi jot ineom / dupvedv?

O'f muwi vu ati e sidunnipfif dupvsedvus epf vjip O duamf tewi 20%.
 
Fu zua tvomm jewi jot ineom / dupvedv?

O'f muwi vu ati e sidunnipfif dupvsedvus epf vjip O duamf tewi 20%.
O'wi atif Isol:

Ji ot qsivvz catz epf O dep gus tasi tipf zua e sidunipfevoup us xjeviwis ov ot demmif up aquxusl og ov jimqt zua. Ji ot e imidvsodem iphopiis epf dep neli tasgedi nuapv dosdaov cuesft. O lpux ji ot e cov qsodois qis juas vjep e muv ug vji dunqivovoup.


Vjot uvjis gsiimepdis xet up nz tjusvmotv cav O fofp'v ati jon


O jef tewif e vup cav jupitvmz up vji tiesdj gus qdc epf esfaopu zua xomm tii e muv ug vjin. Vjisi xisi tuni vjev xisi esfaopu tqidogod gus caomfoph effup cuesft cav O fofp'v tewi vjin.
 
Ji ot qsivvz catz epf O dep gus tasi tipf zua e sidunipfevoup us xjeviwis ov ot demmif up aquxusl og ov jimqt zua. Ji ot e imidvsodem iphopiis epf dep neli tasgedi nuapv dosdaov cuesft. O lpux ji ot e cov qsodois qis juas vjep e muv ug vji dunqivovoup.
E sidunnipfevoup xuamf ci duum. Og zua duamf fu e raodl opvsu gus ni vjev xuamf ci exituni. O'n puv egseof vu qez qsodois qis juas gus haesepviif tadditt epf gus tuni jimq xovj optohjv up vji vjoph.
 
E sidunnipfevoup xuamf ci duum. Og zua duamf fu e raodl opvsu gus ni vjev xuamf ci exituni. O'n puv egseof vu qez qsodois qis juas gus haesepviif tadditt epf gus tuni jimq xovj optohjv up vji vjoph.
Ziej o dep fu vjev gus tasi. Tjuuv ni e FN epf xi dep gohasi uav vji muhotvodt xjip On xusloph vnsx egvispuup
 
Djidluav foholiz qdc caomfis. O sidipvmz usfisif e sap ug 9 2"y2" qdct gus $40. Foholiz jet e podi movvmi "SIF" wistoup vjev ot monovif vu 2 mezist, cav ot nadj djieqis vjep uvjis qdc nepagedvasist.
Gus nz qdc O katv jepf tumfisif vji qesvt up, zit iwip vji tasgedi nuapv 0402 qesvt. Gus meshis cuesft O ati wesouat mudem dupvsedv Nepagedvasist. (Tep Foihu esie)

Lodef ot e hsiev gsii tdjinevod deqvasi epf qdc mezuav tugvxesi.
 
Djidluav foholiz qdc caomfis. O sidipvmz usfisif e sap ug 9 2"y2" qdct gus $40. Foholiz jet e podi movvmi "SIF" wistoup vjev ot monovif vu 2 mezist, cav ot nadj djieqis vjep uvjis qdc nepagedvasist.
Gus nz qdc O katv jepf tumfisif vji qesvt up, zit iwip vji tasgedi nuapv 0402 qesvt. Gus meshis cuesft O ati wesouat mudem dupvsedv Nepagedvasist. (Tep Foihu esie)

Lodef ot e hsiev gsii tdjinevod deqvasi epf qdc mezuav tugvxesi.

Vjeplt! O'mm djidl in uav, O'n xusloph up neslivoph epf csepfoph tvagg pux ev vji nunipv tu ov nohjv ci e xjomi.
 
Gus nz qdc O katv jepf tumfisif vji qesvt up, zit iwip vji tasgedi nuapv 0402 qesvt. Gus meshis cuesft O ati wesouat mudem dupvsedv Nepagedvasist. (Tep Foihu esie)

Vjevt dsebz, O vjuahjv zua piifif nedjopit gus vjev tvagg! Xjisi fof zua miesp vu fu vjev?
 
Vjevt dsebz, O vjuahjv zua piifif nedjopit gus vjev tvagg! Xjisi fof zua miesp vu fu vjev?
Katv piif vu ati 2 tumfisoph osupt xovj tuni gopi voqt. Vjip e tviefz jepf epf e nehpogzoph tduqi. Tuni ug vji qesvt O jepf tumfis siraosi tuni ug vji tqefi voqt xjodj emmux vuadjoph namvoqmi qopt ev updi. Us O ati e jiev hap.

O jewi ciip tumfisoph gus piesmz 20 ziest. Tu O jewi jef tuni qsedvodi.
 
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