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Sorry this is long. But it's hard to make it any shorter as it would leave out important details.

Friend of mine owns a printing company. Right now his main products are vinyl banners, magnetic car signs, and yard signs. He's had a few successful businesses in his life. Made a few million. Smartest guy I know. Him and I have studied all of the same guys...Kennedy, Abraham, Chet Holmes, to name a few.

We both "get it". We're both very knowledgeable when it comes to marketing and how to grow a business. But, allow me to step down from the soapbox. We got together not too long ago to try and figure out how to scale his business. I wouldn't say we're completely stuck, but we are struggling a little to come up with a definite game plan on what to do next.

We are looking at it from the framework that Ryan Deiss, Perry Belcher, and Frank Kern use (have you seen their recent videos, they're great!)...

5 steps to any business...

Lead Magnet
Tripwire Sale (a small sale to get a prospect to become a customer)
Core Offer (main thing you're selling)
Profit Maximizers (up sells and cross sells)
Return Path (back end follow)

My friend started the biz recently and has only been focusing on step 3, the core offer. He hasn't done a damn thing with the other 4. And yet, he is still profitable. So he's looking to take this business to the next level and scale it. Once we get the formula down, it will grow. And grow fast. We have access to money if we need it (he has a few very successful friends (making a few million a year) who already offered him money) to scale.

Anywho, we were thinking of what to use as the lead magnet and tripwire. Example, VistaPrint uses the 250 business cards for $10. That's their lead magnet and tripwire. He doesn't really do business cards, but it was to give an example. VistaPrint is a $40+ million a year business now. All built on the 250 for $10 offer.

We have a few ideas, but nothing that made us think "THAT'S IT!"

The main idea is to take a step back. To get the customer before they think they need a vinyl banner (or yard sign or magnetic sign). Because at that point, most of them are just looking for the cheapest price. He gets lot of his sales now from ebay. Problem is they are bad customers. They are just after the cheapest price. And the problem is the competition just keeps lowering their prices. At some point there is no profit to be made.

So we were thinking why they want the signs in the first place. It's because they want more customers. They want more customers because they want more money.

So the end goal is more money. It's not a vinyl banner.

The idea we were throwing around is to offer some type of free information to retail business owners as the lead magnet. So something like a report on how to get more customers with monthly promotions (or promotions in general). Tripwire could be a cheap $7 report that goes a little deeper on the subject. The $7 is just to build a list and allow it to be built for free...the $7 goes toward the advertising costs. This is what allows you to scale.

The $7 report educates them on the topic a little more in depth. Then the goal is to have them use him to print the stuff they would use for the promotions.

From there we could sell them other things on the backend. But that part is easy once we get the first 3 steps running along.

The point of all of this is that right now he is making money but the customers are coming to him and seeing him as a printing company. As they should. He hasn't positioned himself yet as an advisor that just happens to own a printing company. Whereas if we set it up as described above, they are coming into the funnel with zero idea of any printing business and they are seeing him as an advisor instead.

I like the above idea. However, to me, that model sounds more like a consulting business. Why bother with printing signs if we can make money selling them marketing strategies?? Only reason I can think of is we could get it up and running to a point where there would be little involvement on our end while it makes low 6 figures a year. Then in a few years it is an asset that could be sold for a nice payday.

Another idea we have is to have a "done for you" monthly membership club. We help them set up monthly promotions for the year and then every month they get a promotion that's already printed and ready to go for them to use.

Final idea - There is something called trade printing. Basically, printers offer printing materials to print brokers, graphic designers, ad agencies, and other printing businesses at a wholesale rate. We thought about letting business owners know about this "dirty little secret of the printing business". Then offer them trade printing (with a small markup). This will build a list.

Him and I both suffer the same problem, we over think things and like to have things all figured out in our heads before we do something. Problem is, you don't know what works until you actually do something. So we ended the day with "let's come up with a few ideas and test them all and go from there."

Do you have any ideas that you think we could use for a lead magnet and tripwire sale? ANY input at all is greatly appreciated.
 
The done for you idea could be good, charge a monthly membership fee, send out CD of the month where you have a chat with a local business using the services for 10-30 minutes and just bang out the good stuff with no filler (since people are paying a fee for this).

Lead magnet free guide/report

Trapwire sale could be a quick simple quick start guide at low cost to them with good info but info that will be expanded on in the monthly subscription.

Core offer would be the different promotional material you'd have ready to go for the them to replicate the businesses/CD of the month info.

Profit maximisers could be webinars showing off new ideas, pre-recorded with some run downs of what's being used by some of your success stories, works to help provide people with information but also sells you guys as the path of least resistance to get the results because all they have to do is put an order in and wait, then follow the steps to get the marketing out there.

Return path would be automatic if your stuff works they'll come back because it is hassle free, and they make more than they spend on it.

Offer the services individually as a normal sign shop for full price as you are already, give members of the monthly CD package a small discount that will keep them linked to you because you're not only providing the signs, you're giving them a ready-to-go marketing strategy with all the pieces (apart from the effort to get it out there) all done by you guys.

This obviously will take a little more work, however it will provide people more than a simple sign service, you're adding a lot of value to it, this will put you in a higher position than just some ebay guys flogging some vinyl signage.
 
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Hi Joshybaxx - Sorry I'm just getting back to this thread now. Busy with the holiday stuff. Anyway, thank you for your reply and great suggestions, I appreciate it!


Anyone else care to chime in with their thoughts?
 
You should look at Vistaprint carefully and why they are so popular. Yes their cheap offer for business card is great but the other great thing is the way it makes it really easy for the customer to design their own cards/other with colours sizes and paper/card options.

So ideally you would want to be vistaprint of signs right, offer the customer what vistaprint offers but on signs. Let them use their own pdf or design their own with an online editor and stock graphics. Going into infoproducts is wrong imo, its fine to offer a blog or free info but thats not going to make you the market leader. Businesses always need custom signs and talking to designers and asking for prices is a pain, go online and drag a few arrows and type some text and bamm get your sign in 3 days for $25 or whatever would be amazing.

Designers would use you because they upload their pdf and send to customers option without invoices/markings oem service. And customers can use you too. win-win!!
 
I would like to chime in on the Lead magnet portion instead of giving the user a free digital report if you have enough information I think it will be better to put together physical book.

By creating the book you position yourself as the person who wrote the book on the subject. I would use Createspace/Amazon to create the book which would then cost you about 2-3 to buy the book yourself and send the buyer the book.


In addition you will then have the book on Amazon which could eventually bring in more sales for the business.
 
I agree with tafy. I don't think digital products and reports are going to be that effective. Maybe as a lead magnet, that's about it.

It's great to here that you're already profitable. So having upsells will only increase that. Cross selling to other marketing strategies could work, like you mentioned it tends to lead into consulting.

If you don't want to go the consulting path I think you will need to incorporate vista prints model and maybe give business owners some sort of package that they just couldn't refuse. Then upsell more premium packages with the same concept.

I like your done for you package. That's something a business owner could appreciate. Experienced marketers giving them high converting signage.

If you really enjoy Ryan deiss' stuff, Why not take them up on their offer and let them consult and mastermind the lead magnet and tripwire and acquisition funnel for you guys?
 
His site already has those design options.

Impressive then, if thats the case then are there any competitors that have the same concept? Do they have similar prices? Is their artwork better? Do they have different metals/plastics that you dont offer? Have you sent email blast to small businesses? Do you have affiliate program?
 
Impressive then, if thats the case then are there any competitors that have the same concept? Do they have similar prices? Is their artwork better? Do they have different metals/plastics that you dont offer? Have you sent email blast to small businesses? Do you have affiliate program?
Sorry, I'm just seeing this now.

I haven't talked to him about his printing business since this thread.

But, artwork, printing, prices, etc., it's all similar to everyone else's. Which is the problem. It's a commodity so the challenge is how to make it so it's no longer viewed as a commodity.

Anyway, I appreciate the responses from people. But I no longer spend any time on this issue.
 

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