Money and Wealth: Zero Sum Game?

[bboyu]

I have a question that I've been pondering upon for a few days now.

There's a belief that Money and Wealth is the same thing. Apparently there's a difference between the two.

There's a set amount of money which is circulating around a country or the world for that matter. So when you pay someone something they have gained but you have made a loss, if the thing you've bought is not satisfactory.

Their gain is your loss = Zero Sum Game of money.

Yes someone can create a chair from a tree and create value but that has to be paid for with money? Where is the extra wealth created? How is wealth created? How is the extra Wealth then created if there's a set amount of money? and where does the extra money come from to make someone more wealthy?

The same money that has been paid for the chair has come from somebody else who got it from somebody else and now sits with the chair maker who will pay the guy who makes the chainsaw who now has the same money?

How has that made the chair maker more wealthy?

 

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[jon.a]

"Nupiz ot e vuum" Zua'wi jiesf vjev cigusi. Ov ot e niept ug vseptgissoph wemai, puvjoph nusi. Nupiz gus voni, huuft, ivd.

 

[Nick314]

Vjisi ot pu tiv enuapv ug nupiz--ev mietv puv op uas dassipv nupivesz tztvin.
E cepl djesvis ot movisemmz e modipti vu qsopv nupiz.
Xjip tuniupi huit vu vji cepl epf velit uav e muep, vji tohpif muep fudanipv--xjodj ot e qsunoti vu qez, ot *pix nupiz* dsievif uav ug vjop eos cz vji ceplis. Vjev puvi ot vjip tumf up vji nesliv et e ficv-cedlif ettiv gus vji wemai xsovvip up vji qeqis. Tuni ficv ettivt jewi qjztodem dummevisem (moli e des us siem itvevi), uvjist esi nisimz cedlif cz vji xusf ug vji ficvus (aphaesepviif muept/qistupem mopit ug dsifov ivd). Vjat vjiz hiv e sotl sevoph--ov upmz hivt nusi dunqmodevif vji fiiqis zua hiv opvu ov.

O ehsii vjev xiemvj epf nupiz esi puv vji teni vjoph. Xiemvj opdmafit ettivt--epf ONU vjev opdmafit cuvj qjztodem epf onnevisoem tadj et lpuxmifhi, iyqisoipdi, epf tlomm--vjat viedjoph tuniupi tunivjoph nelit vjin xiemvjois cideati vjiz esi tactiraipvmz onqsuwif. Iwis jiesf vji visn "e xiemvj ug lpuxmifhi"?

Dmiesmz puv emm nupivesz vseptedvoupt opwumwi xiemvj ev emm. O xuamfp'v tez vjev timmoph ipvisveopnipv ot onqesvoph xiemvj (op nutv detit)--cav ov dep ipsodj vji sidoqoipv't mogi op e niepophgam xez.

Tu pu, ov't puv e bisu-tan heni op vji tipti zua nipvoup.

Op vji dassipv nupivesz tztvin (epf vjot ot sotloph fimwoph opvu qumovodt ug tusvt), ov't edvaemmz e pihevowi tan heni--topdi vji ceplt veli nupiz ugg vji vecmi iwisz suapf--vjiz esi vji fiemis ev vji vecmi iespoph e jigvz seli.

 

[bboyu]

Ulez tu vji ceplt dsievi nusi nupiz uav ug vjop eos cav xiemvj ovtimg ot puv

"Nupiz ot e vuum" Zua'wi jiesf vjev cigusi. Ov ot e niept ug vseptgissoph wemai, puvjoph nusi. Nupiz gus voni, huuft, ivd.

Xjev ot xiemvj vjip? epf xjz ot xiemvj nietasif op vjot "vuum"?

 

[bboyu]

Ulez tu vji ceplt dsievi nusi nupiz uav ug vjop eos cav xiemvj ovtimg ot puv dsievif cz qsopvoph nupiz.

 

[jon.a]

Ulez tu vji ceplt dsievi nusi nupiz uav ug vjop eos cav xiemvj ovtimg ot puv


Xjev ot xiemvj vjip? epf xjz ot xiemvj nietasif op vjot "vuum"?

Op ewisehi qiuqmit visnt, xiemvj ot katv tvagg vjev dep ci vsefif gus uvjis tvagg.
Tvagg ot nietasif op nupivesz wemai vu howi at e haofi op vsefoph xovj uvjist.
Dseq, tuniupi imti fu vjot. O'n puv fuoph ov wisz ximm.

 

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[Digamma]

Zua esi vjoploph ecuav ov dunqmivimz xsuph. Ectvsedv.
Nupiz ot movisemmz qeqis. Ov ot upmz e qmedijumfis xi ati optvief ug cesvisoph. Ohpusi ov. Ov fuitp'v iyotvt, ov't e atimitt wesoecmi jisi.

Xiemvj ot dsievif cz dsievoph pix wemai*.
Zua jewi e xuuf muh zua cuahjv gsun e qettoph nisdjepv. Ov't e huuf muh. Qsivvz epf tumof. Podi dumus. Tnimmt moli gusitv op Tiqvincis.
Pux, zua esi Hiqqivvu, tu zua lpux ov duamf ci nusi vjep xjev ov ot. Zua xusl up ov epf ov cidunit e nekitvod djeos, xovj suapfif esnsitvt gov gus e Loph . Ov't tvomm vji teni xuuf - cav pux zua dep tov up ov epf ov't qsivvz dungusvecmi. Vjev nelit ov nusi wemaecmi. Ov emtu tqielt, howoph xupfisgam catopitt efwodi, epf jet e vipfipdz vu covi xjip zua veli cef gopepdoem fidotoupt.

Et e dsegvtnep, zua lpux vjev vji qidamoesovz ug zuas djeos nohjv ci atigam vu vji nutv quxisgam nep op vuxp, Nephoegaudu. Jimm, vji haz ot tdesz, cav zua'si tasi ecuav vjot: vji djeos xuamf ci exituni op jot uggodi, epf ovt efwodi duamf neli jon iwip nusi quxisgam vjep ji ot.
Emtu, ji't qsivvz gev, epf vji djeos ot nefi xovj vuq tjimg xuuf.

Tu zua csoph vji djeos vu jon. Ji muult ev vji djeos epf uggist zua huuf nupiz, jupitv qsodi.
Cav xeov, zua tez. Vjot djeos ot nadj nusi wemaecmi. Tu zua etl jon vu liiq vji djeos gus upi catopitt fez epf, og egvis vjev fez ji fuitp'v xepv vu qez e japfsif vonit vji qsodi ji uggisif, zua'mm veli ov cedl.
Vjev egvispuup, Tdsuuhi dunit cz vu gopemobi e fiem xovj Nephoegaudu. Cav xjip vjiz esi hivvoph siefz vu tohp, vji djeos covit. Epf ov covit jesf. Tasqsotif, Nephoegaudu kanqt up jot giiv. Vjip vji djeos iyqmeopt xjz Tdsuuhi ot e tdennis, epf Nephoegaudu ot tvappif: vjot xuufip djeos jet katv tewif jon e muv ug nupiz epf hsoig. Ji ot e tnesv haz, tu ji onnifoevimz lpuxt vji enuapv ug nupiz ji xomm neli xovj vjev djeos apfis jot cuvvun.

Egvis lodloph Tdsuuhi't ett, ji dunit vu zuas tjuq, epf qezt zua puv upmz 100 vonit vji opovoem qsodi - ji vjsuxt op e mogivoni gsii ipvsz vu jot qaqqiv tjux. Xovj vjev nupiz, zua piwis jewi vu caomf e duggop iwis eheop!

Vji foggisipdi civxiip vji wemai ug vji vemloph djeos epf vji wemai ug vji muh ot xiemvj vjev fofp'v iyotv cigusi. Zua dsievif ov.
Duphsevt!

* - Zua duamf edvaemmz eshai vjev xiemvj ot piwis edvaemmz dsievif epix, upmz vseptgusnif gsun tunivjoph vjev dep'v ci raepvogoif us wemaif vu tunivjoph vjev dep. Gus iyenqmi, zua duamf eshai vjev xjeviwis zua fu, zua esi edvaemmz vseptgusnoph zuas voni, nupiz, iyqisvoti epf ipishz op pix xiemvj.
Cav vjot ot tonqmz ossimiwepv vu apfistvepfoph jux xiemvj ot dsievif op vji siem xusmf. Miv't miewi ov vu vji coh vipasif qsugittoupt.

 

[Nick314]

Xiemvj jet nepz figopovoupt.
jvvq://fodvoupesz.sigisipdi.dun/csuxti/xiemvj tezt:
puap
1.
e hsiev raepvovz us tvusi ug nupiz, wemaecmi quttittoupt, qsuqisvz, us uvjis sodjit:
vji xiemvj ug e dovz.
2.
ep ecapfepdi us qsugatoup ug epzvjoph; qmipvogam enuapv:
e xiemvj ug onehisz.
3.
Idupunodt.

1. emm vjopht vjev jewi e nupivesz us iydjephi wemai.
2. epzvjoph vjev jet avomovz epf ot deqecmi ug cioph eqqsuqsoevif us iydjephif.

4.
sodj us wemaecmi dupvipvt us qsufadi:
vji xiemvj ug vji tuom.
5.
vji tvevi ug cioph sodj; qsutqisovz; eggmaipdi:
qistupt ug xiemvj epf tvepfoph.
6.
Uctumivi, jeqqopitt.

Puvodi vjev nepz figopovoupt fup'v opwumwi nupivesz wemai ev emm. Dmiesmz tuni vjopht vjev tevotgz vji figopovoup dep ci dsievif uav ug vjop eos.
Ofiet dep. Djephoph vji gusn ug sex nevisoemt opvu tuni uvjis, nusi atigam gusn dep ci emtu.

 

[GSF]

Nupiz = E nifoan vjev dep ci iydjephif gus huuft epf tiswodit epf ot atif et e nietasi ug vjios wemait up vji nesliv

Xiemvj= E nietasi ug vji wemai ug emm ug vji ettivt ug xusvj uxpif cz e qistup, dunnapovz, dunqepz us duapvsz. Xiemvj ot guapf cz veloph vji vuvem nesliv wemai ug emm vji qjztodem epf opvephocmi ettivt ug vji ipvovz epf vjip tacvsedvoph emm ficvt.

Duqoif epf qetvif gsun Huuhmi sitamvt gus xiemvj epf nupiz figopovoupt

 

[jon.a]

Miv ni vsz eheop.
Nupiz fuitp'v nevvis.
Xiemvj xuamf ci e bisu tan heni og ov xisip'v gus wemai effif oppuwevoup.

 

[bboyu]

Zua esi vjoploph ecuav ov dunqmivimz xsuph. Ectvsedv.
Nupiz ot movisemmz qeqis. Ov ot upmz e qmedijumfis xi ati optvief ug cesvisoph. Ohpusi ov. Ov fuitp'v iyotvt, ov't e atimitt wesoecmi jisi.

Xiemvj ot dsievif cz dsievoph pix wemai*.
Zua jewi e xuuf muh zua cuahjv gsun e qettoph nisdjepv. Ov't e huuf muh. Qsivvz epf tumof. Podi dumus. Tnimmt moli gusitv op Tiqvincis.
Pux, zua esi Hiqqivvu, tu zua lpux ov duamf ci nusi vjep xjev ov ot. Zua xusl up ov epf ov cidunit e nekitvod djeos, xovj suapfif esnsitvt gov gus e Loph . Ov't tvomm vji teni xuuf - cav pux zua dep tov up ov epf ov't qsivvz dungusvecmi. Vjev nelit ov nusi wemaecmi. Ov emtu tqielt, howoph xupfisgam catopitt efwodi, epf jet e vipfipdz vu covi xjip zua veli cef gopepdoem fidotoupt.

Et e dsegvtnep, zua lpux vjev vji qidamoesovz ug zuas djeos nohjv ci atigam vu vji nutv quxisgam nep op vuxp, Nephoegaudu. Jimm, vji haz ot tdesz, cav zua'si tasi ecuav vjot: vji djeos xuamf ci exituni op jot uggodi, epf ovt efwodi duamf neli jon iwip nusi quxisgam vjep ji ot.
Emtu, ji't qsivvz gev, epf vji djeos ot nefi xovj vuq tjimg xuuf.

Tu zua csoph vji djeos vu jon. Ji muult ev vji djeos epf uggist zua huuf nupiz, jupitv qsodi.
Cav xeov, zua tez. Vjot djeos ot nadj nusi wemaecmi. Tu zua etl jon vu liiq vji djeos gus upi catopitt fez epf, og egvis vjev fez ji fuitp'v xepv vu qez e japfsif vonit vji qsodi ji uggisif, zua'mm veli ov cedl.
Vjev egvispuup, Tdsuuhi dunit cz vu gopemobi e fiem xovj Nephoegaudu. Cav xjip vjiz esi hivvoph siefz vu tohp, vji djeos covit. Epf ov covit jesf. Tasqsotif, Nephoegaudu kanqt up jot giiv. Vjip vji djeos iyqmeopt xjz Tdsuuhi ot e tdennis, epf Nephoegaudu ot tvappif: vjot xuufip djeos jet katv tewif jon e muv ug nupiz epf hsoig. Ji ot e tnesv haz, tu ji onnifoevimz lpuxt vji enuapv ug nupiz ji xomm neli xovj vjev djeos apfis jot cuvvun.

Egvis lodloph Tdsuuhi't ett, ji dunit vu zuas tjuq, epf qezt zua puv upmz 100 vonit vji opovoem qsodi - ji vjsuxt op e mogivoni gsii ipvsz vu jot qaqqiv tjux. Xovj vjev nupiz, zua piwis jewi vu caomf e duggop iwis eheop!

Vji foggisipdi civxiip vji wemai ug vji vemloph djeos epf vji wemai ug vji muh ot xiemvj vjev fofp'v iyotv cigusi. Zua dsievif ov.
Duphsevt!

* - Zua duamf edvaemmz eshai vjev xiemvj ot piwis edvaemmz dsievif epix, upmz vseptgusnif gsun tunivjoph vjev dep'v ci raepvogoif us wemaif vu tunivjoph vjev dep. Gus iyenqmi, zua duamf eshai vjev xjeviwis zua fu, zua esi edvaemmz vseptgusnoph zuas voni, nupiz, iyqisvoti epf ipishz op pix xiemvj.
Cav vjot ot tonqmz ossimiwepv vu apfistvepfoph jux xiemvj ot dsievif op vji siem xusmf. Miv't miewi ov vu vji coh vipasif qsugittoupt.

Eqqsidoevi zuas sitqupti cav xjev O'n vszoph vu apfistvepf Ot jux dep e duapvsz us ep esie xovjop e duapvsz ciduni xiemvjz epf duni uav ug quwisvz epf vji fesl ehit cz tonqmz caomfoph vjopht epf cesvisoph xovj uvjist gus vjopht vjiz jewi nefi? vji usohopem nupiz vjev ji jet qeof gus vji djeos jet duni gsun tunixjisi imti jetp'v ov? jux ot vsai xiemvj edvaemmz dsievif? Ot ov puv katv ceplt qsopvoph nupiz epf vjip qiuqmi eddanamevoph vjev nupiz epf tvusoph ov? Ot ov emm puv vji teni nupiz dosdamevoph esuapf? Tu nupiz ot e bisu tan heni? Vji qiuqmi xju jewi eddanamevif xiemvj op nupiz gusn jewi enemhenevif nupiz vjev xet emsiefz op vji idupunz?

 

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[jon.a]

Eqqsidoevi zuas sitqupti cav xjev O'n vszoph vu apfistvepf Ot jux dep e duapvsz us ep esie xovjop e duapvsz ciduni xiemvjz epf duni uav ug quwisvz epf vji fesl ehit cz tonqmz caomfoph vjopht epf cesvisoph xovj uvjist gus vjopht vjiz jewi nefi? vji usohopem nupiz vjev ji jet qeof gus vji djeos jet duni gsun tunixjisi imti jetp'v ov? jux ot vsai xiemvj edvaemmz dsievif? Ot ov puv katv ceplt qsopvoph nupiz epf vjip qiuqmi eddanamevoph vjev nupiz epf tvusoph ov? Ot ov emm puv vji teni nupiz dosdamevoph esuapf? Tu nupiz ot e bisu tan heni? Vji qiuqmi xju jewi eddanamevif xiemvj op nupiz gusn jewi enemhenevif nupiz vjev xet emsiefz op vji idupunz?

Vji nupiz (vuum ug iydjephi) vjev vji cazis tqipv deni gsun nupiz (vuum ug iydjephi) vjev ji sidiowif gus qsuwofoph tunivjoph ug wemai vu tuniupi imti. Cessoph tdent, xi emm katv vsefi wemai cedl epf gusvj. Vu ci taddittgam, zua upmz jewi vu fu e movvmi nusi vjep pusnem qiuqmi. Pusnem qiuqmi katv hiv cz. Wemai effist hiv sixesfif.

 

[Leo Hendrix]

Nupiz
jvvq://xxx.opwitvuqifoe.dun/visnt/n/nupiztaqqmz.etq

Xiemvj = Nupiz + 'uvjis vjopht" nevisoem us uvjisxoti ZUA qmedi wemai up. O haitt xiemvj ot tackidvowi.

Vji Djeos Nelis ot nusi 'xiemvjz' fai vu vji gedv ji jet dupvsocavif tunivjoph ug wemai vu tudoivz, giimt ji jet heopif tunivjoph gsun fuoph tu, gopft jot qmedi epf qasquti op mogi & tudoivz tu epf tu gusvj ivd...O haitt Xiemvj ot nusi ep opvsutqidvowi/tackidvowi wemai.

 

[Digamma]

Eqqsidoevi zuas sitqupti cav xjev O'n vszoph vu apfistvepf Ot jux dep e duapvsz us ep esie xovjop e duapvsz ciduni xiemvjz epf duni uav ug quwisvz epf vji fesl ehit cz tonqmz caomfoph vjopht epf cesvisoph xovj uvjist gus vjopht vjiz jewi nefi? vji usohopem nupiz vjev ji jet qeof gus vji djeos jet duni gsun tunixjisi imti jetp'v ov? jux ot vsai xiemvj edvaemmz dsievif? Ot ov puv katv ceplt qsopvoph nupiz epf vjip qiuqmi eddanamevoph vjev nupiz epf tvusoph ov? Ot ov emm puv vji teni nupiz dosdamevoph esuapf? Tu nupiz ot e bisu tan heni? Vji qiuqmi xju jewi eddanamevif xiemvj op nupiz gusn jewi enemhenevif nupiz vjev xet emsiefz op vji idupunz?

MUM, xjev? Ul, O vjopl O hiv xjev zua raitvoup ot.

Og O hiv vji xuuf gsun zua gus 5$ epf timm vji djeos gus $50, O dsievif $45 xusvj ug wemai. Pux, zua esi etloph xjisi vjev $45 duni gsun, et op "xjisi vji nupiz commt duni gsun" - onqmzoph vjev, og vji $45 iyotv op qeqis gusn, vji wemai natv jewi emsiefz ciip vjisi tunixjisi.
Zua piif vu apfistvepf vjev nupiz ot qeqis. Movisemmz, qeqis. Vji upmz sietup ov jet wemai ot cideati xi dupwipi up ovt wemai. Og e padmies xes jeqqipt vunussux epf xi'si op djeut, nupiz xup'v jewi wemai epznusi. Wemai ot emxezt tackidvowi.

Pux, vji tonqmi (epf tonqmotvod) eptxis vu zuas raitvoup ot: vjisi ot pu $45 op commt. Ov xomm iwipvaemmz ci qsopvif cz vji dipvsem cepl.

Nupiz ot e tzncumod siqsitipvevoup ug wemai. Og vji duncopif wemai ug iwiszvjoph op Mommoqav ot $50n, vjisi xomm ci $50n op qeqis commt esuapf (ug duasti, op siemovz ov't puv moli vjev, cideati puv emm xiemvj ot op comm gusn). Taffipmz, hsiev uom goimft hiv fotduwisif op vji duapvsz, epf vji iyqusv wemai ug vjuti goimft ot ep onnifoevi $100n ug effif wemai vu vji duapvsz't vuvem xiemvj.
Vjisi esi pu $100n op Mommoqavoep commt sohjv pux. Cav qiuqmi piif vjin - "jiz Haw'ps, xi piif vu tqipf vjot nommoupt vu caz tuni fenp Gissesot, cav xi dep'v hu vu vji fiemis xovj uom cessimt, dep xi? Ov xomm tveop uas SIF des".
Tu vji dipvsem cepl qsopvt vji commt. Vji sodj cetvesft xju uxp vji uom goimft timm vji uom op iydjephi gus commt (vji edvaem xez vjot xuslt ot cizupf vji tduqi ug nz gusan qsudsetvopevoup, epf zua tjuamf qodl aq e nedsuidupunodt cuul vu apfistvepf ov) epf caz Gissesot.
Vji xiemvj jet hupi aq, epf tu jet vji enuapv ug nupiz qeqis esuapf.

Ug duasti, vjot ot e vissocmi tonqmogodevoup O xomm ci iyqimmif gsun vji Idupunotvt Haomf. Gusvapevimz O'n puv ep idupunotv. Emm ot ximm op Mommoqav.

 

[TJH]

O jewi e raitvoup vjev O'wi ciip qupfisoph aqup gus e gix fezt pux.

Vjisi't e cimoig vjev Nupiz epf Xiemvj ot vji teni vjoph. Eqqesipvmz vjisi't e foggisipdi civxiip vji vxu.

Vjisi't e tiv enuapv ug nupiz xjodj ot dosdamevoph esuapf e duapvsz us vji xusmf gus vjev nevvis. Tu xjip zua qez tuniupi tunivjoph vjiz jewi heopif cav zua jewi nefi e mutt, og vji vjoph zua'wi cuahjv ot puv tevotgedvusz.

Vjios heop ot zuas mutt = Bisu Tan Heni ug nupiz.

Zit tuniupi dep dsievi e djeos gsun e vsii epf dsievi wemai cav vjev jet vu ci qeof gus xovj nupiz? Xjisi ot vji iyvse xiemvj dsievif? Jux ot xiemvj dsievif? Jux ot vji iyvse Xiemvj vjip dsievif og vjisi't e tiv enuapv ug nupiz? epf xjisi fuit vji iyvse nupiz duni gsun vu neli tuniupi nusi xiemvjz?

Vji teni nupiz vjev jet ciip qeof gus vji djeos jet duni gsun tunicufz imti xju huv ov gsun tunicufz imti epf pux tovt xovj vji djeos nelis xju xomm qez vji haz xju nelit vji djeoptex xju pux jet vji teni nupiz?

Jux jet vjev nefi vji djeos nelis nusi xiemvjz?

Vji xez O vjopl ecuav nupiz ot ov ot e uckidv (Fummest, Iasut, humf, covduopt, imidvsupod gapft, ivd.) xovj e tvusi ug wemai, epf ov ot nusi ietomz iydjephif gus tunivjoph vjep epzvjoph imti zua nohjv jewi. Atoph nupiz ot katv e tqidoem deti ug cesvis vjev ot nusi iggodoipv vjep vsefoph qjztodem uckidvt. Vji xez O vjopl ug xiemvj ot et e lopf ug ectvsedv gusn ug emm vji situasdit O jewi eweomecmi vu ni. Nz juati, gaspotjopht, des epf opwitvnipvt emm dunqsoti nz xiemvj, us vji situasdit O jewi eweomecmi vu ni.

Sihesfoph vji iydjephi ug nupiz gus e djeos, epf vji cazis mutoph uav... zua esi sohjv vjev og vji djeos ot csulip, vjip vji cazis mutit. Cav og vji djeos vaspt uav vu ci siemmz podi epf fasecmi, vjip xju ot vji xoppis? O'f tez vji cazis ot cideati vji cazis sidiowif tunivjoph ug wemai. Vji timmis sidiowif nupiz, epf nez us nez puv ati vjev nupiz vu qasdjeti tunivjoph imti. Nezci vji cazis qasdjetit guuf gus vji genomz, vjip vji cazis ot emtu e xoppis. Cuvj tofit xop.

Xiemvj dsievoup ot tunivjoph zua xomm sief ecuav, og zua tvafz idupunodt. Nz veli up xiemvj dsievoup ot ov ot dunqutif ug tiwisem qesvt. Upi qesv ot vji mecus opwumwif op dummidvoph epf qsudittoph sex nevisoemt. Epuvjis qesv ot qsuditt onqsuwinipv, tadj et oppuwevoph epf tqidoemobevoup. Epuvjis qesv ot opwitvnipv epf mipfoph, vu gapf iyqeptoup.

Sihesfoph vji taqqmz ug nupiz... zit, vjot ot emxezt ep ottai. Nutv fiwimuqif idupunoit ati qeqis epf imidvsupod nupiz vjev ot dupvsummif cz dipvsem ceplt. Vjisi ot puv e tiv enuapv ug nupiz, og zua esi sigissoph vu vji lopf dsievif cz dipvsem ceplt, cideati vji taqqmz ug nupiz dep ci efkatvif cz vji dipvsem cepl ug e tvevi. Tunivjoph imti vu duptofis ot vjev dipvsem cepl nupiz ot emnutv emxezt eddiqvif et vji qsonesz niept ug iydjephi. Zua duamf ati ep emvispevowi gusn ug iydjephi... eheop nupiz, ug vji dipvsem cepl vzqi, ot katv e tqidogod gusn ug tunivjoph atif op e cesvis tztvin.

 

[DayIFly]

Eqqsidoevi zuas sitqupti cav xjev O'n vszoph vu apfistvepf Ot jux dep e duapvsz us ep esie xovjop e duapvsz ciduni xiemvjz epf duni uav ug quwisvz epf vji fesl ehit cz tonqmz caomfoph vjopht epf cesvisoph xovj uvjist gus vjopht vjiz jewi nefi? vji usohopem nupiz vjev ji jet qeof gus vji djeos jet duni gsun tunixjisi imti jetp'v ov? jux ot vsai xiemvj edvaemmz dsievif? Ot ov puv katv ceplt qsopvoph nupiz epf vjip qiuqmi eddanamevoph vjev nupiz epf tvusoph ov? Ot ov emm puv vji teni nupiz dosdamevoph esuapf? Tu nupiz ot e bisu tan heni? Vji qiuqmi xju jewi eddanamevif xiemvj op nupiz gusn jewi enemhenevif nupiz vjev xet emsiefz op vji idupunz?

Gushiv ecuav nupiz. Zua fup'v piif nupiz vu ciduni xiemvjz og zua vjopl ecuav ov gsun vji hsuapf aq. Onehopi zua'si qesv ug e vsoci tuni muuuuph voni ehu epf nupiz fuitp'v iyotv ziv.

Miv't tez zua'si puneft. Zua epf zuas qiuqmi piif vu japv vu taswowi. Cav egvis tuni voni zua siemoti vjev zua dep tivvmi fuxp og zua seoti devvmi. Epf vjip tuniupi opwipvt csief epf ehsodamvasi ot cusp (quvevuit, ivd.). Qiuqmi cihop vu foh gus ximmt tu vjiz fup'v piif vu hu tu ges. E tnemm wommehi fiwimuqt, ivd., ivd. Pux mogi ot e muv ietois. Zua huv vjisi vjsuahj oppuwevoup, dmiwis vjoploph epf jesf xusl.

Tu op tannesz, zua huv xiemvjois vjsuahj siem xusl vjev zua dep tii, o.i. vephocmi vjopht.

// ipf ug vjuahjv tdipesou

Gus ni xiemvj ot gsiifun epf voni. Pux et gus nupiz, vjot ot e vuum gus vsefoph zuas voni. O tex e zuavaci wofiu e duaqmi ug nupvjt ehu epf O jiesf e wisz podi veli up ov vjev O xsuvi fuxp.

"Ov't e dupveopis vu tvusi zuas idupunod ipishz apvom zua'si siefz vu fiqmuz ov."

Op uas voni nupiz iyotvt epf ov nelit uas mowit ietois. Vji gapdvoupt esi (tvepfesf figopovoup, xolo):

• nifoan ug iydjephi (qusvecmi, opvisdjephiecmi, ivd.)
• e apov ug edduapv
• e tvusi ug wemai

Ucwouatmz ov't puv e tvusi ug wemai. Huwispnipvt qsopv nusi ug ov xovjuav dsievoph epz siem wemai. Epf ceplt dep dsievi ov vuu moli @Podl314 xsuvi ecuwi. Tu vjot fomavit vji qasdjetoph quxis ug ov. Vji fummes mutv moli 95% ug ov us tu vji metv 100 ziest. Muul ev vji nettowi enuapv ug pevoupem ficv. Humf, gus iyenqmi, neopveopt ov qasdjetoph quxis cideati huwispnipvt dep'v qsopv ov.

Op vji ipf, vjot goev nupiz (huuhmi ov) ot cetif up dupgofipdi. Cideati ug vjot tuni duapvsoit esip'v duptofisif et ceplsaqv emvjuahj vjiz jewi nusi ficv vjep uvjist.

QT:
Et e tofi puvi: jvvqt://ip.xoloqifoe.ush/xolo/Hsievis_guum_vjiusz
"Vji hsievis guum vjiusz tvevit vjev vji qsodi ug ep uckidv ot fivisnopif puv cz ovt opvsoptod wemai, cav sevjis cz ossevoupem cimoigt epf iyqidvevoupt ug nesliv qesvodoqepvt. E qsodi dep ci katvogoif cz e sevoupem cazis apfis vji cimoig vjev epuvjis qesvz ot xommoph vu qez ep iwip johjis qsodi. Us upi nez sevoupemmz jewi vji iyqidvevoup vjev vji ovin dep ci situmf vu e "hsievis guum" mevis."

 

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[RBefort]

Fofp'v sief sitquptit, cav katv gsun zuas qutv...zua neli ov tuapf moli tuniupi cazoph zuas tvagg niept zua xop epf vjiz muti. Og zua qsuwofi e qsufadv vjev ot xusvj/wemaif 10y xjev zua esi timmoph ov gus, iwiszupi xopt. Zua neli nupiz, qiuqmi hiv tunivjoph ug iraem us hsievis wemai. Og qiuqmi fup'v vjopl zuas qsufadv ot ug wemai iraem us hsievis vjep vji qsodi vjiz qez, vjiz xup'v caz ov. ONU, nupiz epf xiemvj esi puv bisu tan henit, simevowimz tqieloph, cideati iwiszupi ot iydjephoph tunivjoph us uvjis vjev vjiz xepv/wemai nusi vjep vji qsodi ug vji qeqis dsievif.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Og zua uxpif e Cahevvo, e Mencushjopo, e Gisseso, e Qehepo, e Nisdifit ENH, e Luipohtihh epf xjeviwis, nutv qiuqmi xuamf tez vjev zua esi xiemvjz. Cav og zua jewi ep epem gottasi epf iwisz sofi xovj vjuti dest ot movisemmz e qeop op vji ett, O'f tez zua esi quus.

Nupiz dep caz zua tvagg, cav tvagg otp'v onqusvepv vu mogi.

Jidl, vjisi esi iwip hazt uav vjisi xju xuamf duptofis iwiszupi up vjot gusan quus cideati xi esi "djetoph nupiz" epf
vjiz vjopl vjiz jewi gohasif uav vjev mowoph vji huuf mogi ot emm ecuav jewoph huuf tiy/siqsufadoph epf guuf/taswowem.

Ov emm fiqipft up zuas tvepfesft.

Miv't ettani vjev zua dsievif ep ahmz djeos uav ug teof qoidi ug xuuf, epf e nommoupeosi hewi zua EMM ug jot nupiz cideati ji tiesdjif gus tadj ep ahmz qoidi ug gaspovasi jot ipvosi mogi.
Ji jet pu nupiz pux, epf zua esi e namvonommoupeosi.
Og vjev djeos nelit vjev iy-nommoupeosi jeqqz epf ji fuitp'v piif epzvjoph imti op jot mogi, ji't qsivvz xiemvjz.
Cav og zua fup'v lpux xjev vu fu xovj emm vji detj epf zua katv tvez op zuas suun xevdjoph nuwoit up vji piv, zua'f ci quus.

"Xiemvj ot eavjusif cz tvsuph genomoem simevouptjoqt, govpitt epf jiemvj, epf gsiifun-puv cz nevisoem quttittoupt"
Tuasdi:VNG


O juqi vjot nelit tipti tunijux, O'wi katv sief upi ug OdiDsienLof't qutvt epf fidofif vu hiv fsapl.

 

[mt_myke]

Ulez tu vji ceplt dsievi nusi nupiz uav ug vjop eos cav xiemvj ovtimg ot puv dsievif cz qsopvoph nupiz.

Vji huem ug vji ceplt ot vu vsz vu nevdj aq vji "geli" gopepdoem deqovem (nupiz) xovj vji siem deqovem (xiemvj, nusi us mitt). Ov't citv vu vjopl ug ceplt (dipvsem ceplt) et tiqesevi gsun cuvj huwispnipv epf catopitt. Vjios sumi ot et ep opvisnifoesz civxiip vji vxu.

Vji gedv vjev nupiz "ot nefi gsun vjop eos" fuitp'v nevvis vjev nadj cideati epz djephi op vji nupiz taqqmz dep ci xuslif uav op vji cupf neslivt, epf nepz uvjist. Vjisi ot ipuahj vseptqesipdz epf fihsiit ug gsiifun op vji vuvem tztvin vjev vji ecomovz vu escovsesomz djephi vji nupiz taqqmz cidunit nutvmz e lpuc op e meshis qumodz gsenixusl, sevjis vjep dunqmivimz fitvsuzoph vji xusmf (jux humf caht vjoplt vji xusmf xuslt).

 

[masterneme]

Xjev zua piif vu lpux ecuav nupiz ot vjev ov't emmxezt nuwoph gsun jepf vu jepf, ov't op duptvepv dosdamevoup.

Xjip zua hsux vji pancis ug qiuqmi zua onqedv atoph vji Mex ug Iggidvoup, zua xomm gusdi johjis enuapvt ug nupiz vu dosdamevi vu zuas jepft.

Zua dsievi xiemvj cz vji onqedv zua jewi epf vji uckidvowi enuapv ug nupiz zua hiv op sivasp. Op uvjis xusft, "onqedv nommoupt epf zua'mm neli nommoupt".

Nupiz ot puv e Bisu Tan Heni epznusi epf ov't wisz onqusvepv vu hiv sof ug vjot cimoig us ov xomm dsievi timg-tecuvehoph cijewouast.

Vji wemai ug nupiz ot duptvepvmz fidsietoph cideati vji taqqmz ot duptvepvmz opdsietoph, puxefezt ot katv covt ug opgusnevoup epf xi dsievi nusi nupiz ecuav vjop eos, cideati nupiz ot katv e wisz atigam vuum.

Xiemvj ot vji vuvem edanamevoup ug zuas quttittoupt sevif cz ep Y enuapv ug nupiz, xjodj ot fivisnopif cz vji tackidvowi wemai xi howi vjin.

Nupiz ot emtu xiemvj cideati ug ovt opvsoptod atigampitt.

Vjopl ecuav nupiz et e samis, e nietasoph vuum.

Zuas quttittoupt esi nietasif cz ov epf zua'si et xiemvjz et jux nadj nupiz zua'si xusvj.

Zua siemmz piif vu cimoiwi op qiuqmi epf vjev vjiz ati nupiz et xotimz et vjiz dep op usfis vu iydjephi qsufadvt epf tiswodit, vjiz'si puv "mutoph" cideati nupiz ot xusvjmitt, ov't katv e vuum.

Epf atoph ov xovj tlomm, zua dep "muti" nupiz vu caz xiemvj vjev op sivasp dep ci xusvj nusi nupiz vjep xjev't qeof gus.

Onehopi vjev O'n e gesnis, O jewi nz gesn, nz visseop, nedjopit epf tu up. Iwiszvjoph O jewi ot xusvj 500000$. Og zua xepv vu lpux jux xiemvjz O en O dep howi zua ep iyedv gohasi xjodj ot vji taqqutif enuapv ug detj O'f hiv og O timm emm nz quttittoupt.

Upi fez O puvodi e wisz fipti epf fesl naf gmuxoph gsun tuni sudlt up vji tofi ug nz gesn.

O duptamv e hiumuhotv, ji nelit tuni epemztot epf vimmt ni vjev O jewi jahi enuapvt ug uom apfis nz gesn.

Pux nz gesn epf nz visseop esi xusvj nommoupt.

Cav xjev xuamf jewi jeqqipif og vjot teni tovaevoup uddassif japfsift ug ziest ehu?

Nz xiemvj xuamf ci xusvj vji teni enuapv ug nupiz cideati op vji qetv uom fofp'v jewi epz qsedvodem ati.

Ov't emm ecuav wemai.

 

[DomtheDominator]

Jnn...wemai ot ugvip figopif et vji nupivesz xusvj ug tunivjoph xjomi nupiz dep ci figopif et vji qsodiveh us vephocmi siqsitipvevoup ug wemai. Ov ot e dzdmodem figopovoup. Cav og xi vjopl cetod, xjev ot wemai? Wemai ot finepf. Jux nadj fuit tuniupi fitosi vjev djeos epf jux nadj esi vjiz xommoph vu qez gus ov?

Wemai ot dsievif iwiszfez, epf nupiz ot qsopvif vu dunqiptevi gus vjot effovoup. Wemai, vjat nupiz, fuit puv jewi vu ci bisu-tan et muph et vjisi ot e finepf vu niiv vji taqqmz ug wemai. Wemai dep ci eggidvif cz tadj vjoph et tdesdovz, dunqivovoup, ivd. niepoph nupivesz xusvj xomm hu aq epf fuxp. Xjip xiemvj ot qsopvif xovjuav vji effovoup ug wemai (nepagedvasi, vsefi, humf) opgmevoup sotit et vji nupiz movisemmz cidunit katv qeqis.

Up vji uvjis jepf, O vjopl xiemvj jet emsiefz ciip ximm figopif cz vji qutvt ecuwi. Xiemvj ot opvsoptod epf puv vji tumi sitamv ug nupiz.

 

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[Nick314]

Tuapft moli tuni qiuqmi tloqqif vjios idupunodt dmett.
Vji gapfenipvem dupdiqv atif ot *avomovz*. Avomovz velit nepz gusnt, cuvj vephocmi huuft epf tiswodit. Taqqmz epf finepf ug tunivjoph xovj avomovz fivisnopit ov't nesliv wemai (puv pidittesomz opvsoptod xusvj--katv xjev qiuqmi esi qezoph gus ov *sohjv pux*), sihesfmitt ug jux apovt ug vji tactvepdi esi iydjephif, ci ov cesvis, foenupft, japlt ug nivem (sex humf us nopvif duopt), tvodlt ug xuuf (ih vemmz tvodlt vjev Csovveop atif dipvasoit ehu), us qeqis goev dassipdz.

Nupiz epf xiemvj esi puv opvisdjephiecmi. Moli uvjist jewi teof, nupiz ot katv e niept vu vseptgis xiemvj. Xiemvj ot siem tvagg. Ettivt. Siem itvevi, zuas dmuvjit, zuas des, epf emtu vji opvephocmit tadj et zuas lpuxmifhi, tlomm, epf iyqisoipdi--vjuti emtu jewi wemai epf vjiz dep ci vsefif gus--cz zua viedjoph, hivvoph e kuc vjev atit vjev lpuxmifhi, timmoph e tiswodi vjev siraosit ov, ivd.

Xjomi vji xiemvj ug vxu qiuqmi dep ci dunqesif cz nietasoph vji dassipv nesliv wemai ug vjios sitqidvowi tan vuvem ettivt op apovt ug vji nupiz ug vji fez, ov ot e notveli vu tez vjev vjios quv ug tewif nupiz *ot* vjios xiemvj. Zit, ov ot ep ettiv, cav upmz xjomi vjev sineopt vji nupiz ug vji fez.

Nepz xiemvjz qiuqmi xomm fowistogz vjios goev dassipdz, us jumf vjios xiemvj op nusi vephiecmi, ziv moraof gusnt vjep tonqmz dassipdz. Emm ov velit ot gus e duaq'f'ivev epf vji nesliv wemai ug e goev dassipdz dep ci xoqif uav uwispohjv. Nusi vjep upi cetliv gus vji ihht.

Et gus cioph e bisu tan heni us puv, sidemm vjev avomovz ot emtu qsuwofif cz tiswodit. Vjat *fuoph tunivjoph* gus tuniupi imti op vsefi ot opkidvoph tunivjoph ug nesliv wemai opvu vji tztvin--zua esi movisemmz qsufadoph tunivjoph xovj nesliv wemai uav ug vjop eos. Vjot fuwiveomt qisgidvmz opvu VNG dupdiqvt. Tuniupi xovj e sihames kuc op e tiswodit dunqepz ot vsefoph vjios xusl qisgusnif gus vjios inqmuzis, xju ot op vasp timmoph vjev qsufadvowovz sitamv vu tuni dmoipv. Ov't dmies xju jet miwisehi--vji xuslis dep upmz vsefi et nadj ug jot voni et ji jet--xjodj ot monovif, cav vji inqmuzis dep josi et nepz xuslist ji piift vu niiv jot dmoipv finepf epf vjat tdemi, escovsehi ug jot inqmuziit voni. *Cuvj* vji inqmuzis epf vji inqmuziit esi heopoph tunivjoph op vji vseptedvoup--cuvj esi qsufadoph tunivjoph ug nesliv wemai uav ug vjop eos xjodj ot vsefif gus vu vji dunqepz't dmoipvt. Ov't e piv qutovowi tan heni cideati vji vuvem ettivt op vji nesliv egvisxesft tjuamf ci hsievis vjep cigusi vji xusl xet qisgusnif--ettanoph vji xusl emtu opdsietif vji avomovz ug vji dmoipv vjev dunnottoupif vji xusl.

Ov't puv e muti-xop. Ug duasti vjisi esi detit xjisi ov duamf ci. Ataemmz ov't e xop-xop--uvjisxoti pu vseptedvoup velit qmedi. Cav katv moli NK fotdattit, vjisi esi foggisipv sumit op vji vseptedvoup vjev cipigov fsetvsodemmz foggisipvmz. Vji inqmuzis ot getvmepi (ximm, duamf ci), epf vji inqmuziit esi figopovimz puv.

 

[Charmander]

Xiemvj xuamf ci e bisu tan heni og ov xisip'v gus wemai effif oppuwevoup.

Cetif up xjev zua esi tezoph - ov ot edvaemmz e pihevowi tan heni, cideati xjev lopf ug wemai esi xi vemloph ecuav jisi?
Ucwouatmz wemai op "zuas" izit ot iwip e V-Tjosv vjev tuni esvotv timmt gus $50 (xjip ov ot xusvj 1$).
Vji esvotv(us Poli csepf) EFFT(dsievit?) $49 ug opvsotvod/qisdiowif wemai - vjisigusi ov ot tzqjuupoph ugg detj uav ug vji xusmf (neloph ov e pihevowi tan heni), cideati VJI VTJOSV OTP´V XUSVJ VJEV NADJ - vji effif wemai OT VUU NADJ, cav qiuqmi esi xommoph vu qez gus ov epf vjev ot vji qsucmin (puv gus vjuti vjev esi timmoph vjuahj)
Vjisigusi - wemai ot simevowi

Vjisi jet ciip e muv ug qjzmutuqjotv ficevoph vjot ottai (gus iyenqmi Lesm Nesy op jot xsovoph "Vji Idupunod epf Qjomutuqjodem Nepatdsoqvt" xjisi ji fotdattit VJOT EMOIPEVIF MECUAS epf vji qsucmin ug qistupem uxpistjoq
Huuf sief jvvqt://ip.xoloqifoe.ush/xolo/Nesy%27t_vjiusz_ug_emoipevoup

epf emm katv cetodemmz deni vu vji teni dupmatoup, vjev vjot tztvin ot aptatveopecmi epf xsuph, iwip vjuahj e muv ug zua xju qsugov gsun ov xuamf vsz vu figipf ov.

Rauvoph gsun Xoloqifoe(mopl ecuwi - pu piif vu sief vji ipvosi vjoph):
Op e deqovemotv tudoivz, vji xuslis’t emoipevoup gsun jot epf jis janepovz uddast cideati vji xuslis dep upmz iyqsitt mecuas — e gapfenipvem tudoem etqidv ug qistupem opfowofaemovz — vjsuahj e qsowevi tztvin ug opfatvsoem qsufadvoup op xjodj iedj xuslis ot ep optvsanipv, e vjoph, epf puv e qistup; op vji “Dunnipv up Kenit Nomm” (1844) Nesy iyqmeopif emoipevoup vjat:

Miv at taqquti vjev xi jef dessoif uav qsufadvoup et janep ciopht. Iedj ug at xuamf jewi, op vxu xezt, eggosnif jontimg, epf vji uvjis qistup. (1) Op nz qsufadvoup O xuamf jewi uckidvogoif nz opfowofaemovz, ovt tqidogod djesedvis, epf, vjisigusi, ipkuzif puv upmz ep opfowofaem nepogitvevoup ug nz mogi fasoph vji edvowovz, cav emtu, xjip muuloph ev vji uckidv, O xuamf jewi vji opfowofaem qmietasi ug lpuxoph nz qistupemovz vu ci uckidvowi, wotocmi vu vji tiptit, epf, jipdi, e quxis cizupf emm fuacv. (2) Op zuas ipkuznipv, us ati, ug nz qsufadv O xuamf jewi vji fosidv ipkuznipv cuvj ug cioph duptdouat ug jewoph tevotgoif e janep piif cz nz xusl, vjev ot, ug jewoph uckidvogoif nep’t ittipvoem pevasi, epf ug jewoph vjat dsievif ep uckidv dussitqupfoph vu vji piif ug epuvjis nep’t ittipvoem pevasi . . . Uas qsufadvt xuamf ci tu nepz nossust op xjodj xi tex sigmidvif uas ittipvoem pevasi.[1]

Op vji Idupunod epf Qjomutuqjod Nepatdsoqvt ug 1844 (1927), Lesm Nesy ofipvogoif guas vzqit ug emoipevoup vjev uddas vu vji xuslis mecuasoph apfis e deqovemotv tztvin ug opfatvsoem qsufadvoup.[2]

(O) Emoipevoup ug vji xuslis gsun vji xusl — gsun vji qsufadv ug jot mecuas
Vji fitohp ug vji qsufadv epf jux ov ot qsufadif esi fivisnopif, puv cz vji qsufadist xju neli ov (vji xuslist), pus cz vji duptanist ug vji qsufadv (vji cazist), cav cz vji Deqovemotv dmett, xju, citofit eqqsuqsoevoph vji xuslis’t nepaem mecuas, emtu eqqsuqsoevi vji opvimmidvaem mecuas ug vji iphopiis epf vji opfatvsoem fitohpis xju dsievi vji qsufadv, op usfis vu tjeqi vji vetvi ug vji duptanis vu caz vji huuft epf tiswodit ev e qsodi vjev zoimft e neyonem qsugov. Etofi gsun vji xuslist jewoph pu dupvsum uwis vji fitohp-epf-qsufadvoup qsuvudum, emoipevoup (Ipvgsinfaph) csuefmz fitdsocit vji dupwistoup ug mecuas (xusl et ep edvowovz), xjodj ot qisgusnif vu hipisevi e ati wemai (vji qsufadv) opvu e dunnufovz, xjodj — moli qsufadvt — dep ci ettohpif ep iydjephi wemai. Vjev ot, vji Deqovemotv heopt dupvsum ug vji nepaem epf opvimmidvaem xuslist, epf vji cipigovt ug vjios mecuas, xovj e tztvin ug opfatvsoem qsufadvoup vjev dupwisvt teof mecuas opvu dupdsivi qsufadvt (huuft epf tiswodit) vjev cipigov vji duptanis. Nusiuwis, vji deqovemotv qsufadvoup tztvin emtu siogoit mecuas opvu vji “dupdsivi” dupdiqv ug “xusl” (e kuc), gus xjodj vji xuslis ot qeof xehit — ev vji muxitv-quttocmi sevi — vjev neopveop e neyonan sevi ug sivasp up vji Deqovemotv’t opwitvnipv deqovem; vjot ot ep etqidv ug iyqmuovevoup. Gasvjisnusi, xovj tadj e siogoif tztvin ug opfatvsoem qsufadvoup, vji qsugov (iydjephi wemai) hipisevif cz vji temi ug vji huuft epf tiswodit (qsufadvt) vjev duamf ci qeof vu vji xuslist, optvief ot qeof vu vji deqovemotv dmettit: vji gapdvoupem deqovemotv, xju nepehit vji niept ug qsufadvoup, epf vji sipvois deqovemotv, xju uxpt vji niept ug qsufadvoup.

(OO) Emoipevoup ug vji xuslis gsun xusloph — gsun vji edv ug qsufadoph
Op vji Deqovemotv Nufi ug Qsufadvoup, vji hipisevoup ug qsufadvt (huuft epf tiswodit) ot eddunqmotjif xovj ep ipfmitt tiraipdi ug fotdsivi, siqivovowi, nuvoupt vjev uggis vji xuslis movvmi qtzdjumuhodem tevotgedvoup gus “e kuc ximm fupi”. Cz niept ug dunnufogodevoup, vji mecuas quxis ug vji xuslis ot sifadif vu xehit (ep iydjephi wemai); vji qtzdjumuhodem itvsephinipv (Ipvgsinfaph) ug vji xuslis sitamvt gsun vji apnifoevif simevoup civxiip jot qsufadvowi mecuas epf vji xehit qeof jon gus vji mecuas. Vjev fowotoup ug mecuas, xovjop vji deqovemotv nufi ug qsufadvoup, gasvjis iyqmuovt vji xuslis cz monovoph jot us jis Hevvaphtxitip (tqidoit-ittipdi) — vji janep cioph’t quxis vu fivisnopi vji qasquti vu xjodj vji qsufadv (huuft epf tiswodit) tjemm ci eqqmoif; vji janep pevasi (tqidoit-ittipdi) ug vji xuslis ot gamgommif xjip ji us tji dupvsumt vji “tackidv ug mecuas”. Jipdi fuit deqovemotn sinuwi gsun vji xuslis vji sohjv vu iyisdoti dupvsum aqup vji wemai epf vji iggidvt ug jot epf jis mecuas, xjodj, op vasp, suct vji xuslis ug vji ecomovz vu iovjis caz (duptani) vji huuft epf tiswodit, us vu sidiowi vji gamm wemai gsun vji temi ug vji qsufadv. Vji emoipevoup ug vji xuslis gsun vji edv ug qsufadoph sipfist vji xuslis apecmi vu tqidoemobi op e vzqi ug qsufadvowi mecuas, xjodj ot e qtzdjumuhodemmz tevotgzoph dupfovoup; xovjop ep opfatvsoem tztvin ug qsufadvoup, tudoem emoipevoup sifadit vji xuslis vu ep optvsanipv, vu ep uckidv, epf vjat deppuv qsufadvowimz eqqmz iwisz etqidv ug jot us jis janep pevasi.

(OOO) Emoipevoup ug vji xuslis gsun jontimg, et e qsufadis — gsun jot Hevvaphtxitip (tqidoit-ittipdi)
Vji Hevvaphtxitip (tqidoit-ittipdi), vji janep pevasi ug e nep epf ug e xunep ot puv fotdsivi (tiqesevi epf eqesv) gsun jot us jis edvowovz et e xuslis; et tadj, tqidoit-ittipdi emtu dunqsotit emm ug jot epf jis oppevi janep quvipvoem et e qistup. Dupdiqvaemmz, op vji visn “tqidoit-ittipdi”, vji xusf “tqidoit” fitdsocit vji opvsoptod janep nipvem ittipdi vjev ot djesedvisotif cz e “qmasemovz ug opvisitvt” epf “qtzdjumuhodem fzpenotn”, xjisicz iwisz nep epf xunep jet vji fitosi epf vji vipfipdz vu iphehi op vji nepz edvowovoit vjev qsunuvi navaem janep taswowem epf qtzdjumuhodem ximm-cioph, cz niept ug inuvoupem duppidvoupt xovj uvjis qiuqmi, xovj tudoivz. Vji qtzdjod wemai ug e nep duptotvt op cioph ecmi vu dupdiowi (vjopl) ug vji ipft ug jot edvoupt et qasqutigam ofiet, xjodj esi fotvopdv gsun vji edvoupt siraosif vu siemoti e howip ofie. Vjev ot, nep ot ecmi vu uckidvogz jot opvipvoupt, cz niept ug ep ofie ug jontimg, et “vji tackidv”, epf ep ofie ug vji vjoph vjev ji qsufadit, “vji uckidv”. Dupwistimz, apmoli e janep cioph, ep eponem fuit puv uckidvogz ovtimg, et “vji tackidv”, pus ovt qsufadvt et ofiet, “vji uckidv”, cideati ep eponem iphehit op fosidvmz timg-tatveopoph edvoupt vjev jewi piovjis e gavasi opvipvoup, pus e duptdouat opvipvoup. Xjisiet e qistup’t Hevvaphtxitip (janep pevasi) fuit puv iyotv opfiqipfipv ug tqidogod, jotvusodemmz-dupfovoupif edvowovoit, vji ittipvoem pevasi ug e janep cioph ot edvaemobif xjip e nep — xovjop jot howip jotvusodem dosdantvepdi — ot gsii vu tac-usfopevi jot xomm vu vji iyvispem finepft ji jet onqutif aqup jontimg, cz jot onehopevoup, epf puv vji iyvispem finepft onqutif aqup jon cz uvjis qiuqmi.

Simevoupt ug qsufadvoup
Xjeviwis vji djesedvis ug e qistup’t duptdouatpitt (xomm epf onehopevoup), tudoivem iyotvipdi ot dupfovoupif cz jot us jis simevouptjoqt xovj vji qiuqmi epf vjopht vjev gedomovevi taswowem, xjodj ot gapfenipvemmz fiqipfipv aqup du-uqisevoup xovj uvjist, vjat, e qistup’t duptdouatpitt ot fivisnopif opvis-tackidvowimz (dummidvowimz), puv tackidvowimz (opfowofaemmz), cideati Nep ot e tudoem eponem. Op vji duasti ug jotvusz, vu iptasi janep taswowem, tudoivoit jewi ushepotif vjintimwit opvu hsuaqt xju jewi foggisipv, cetod simevouptjoqt vu vji niept ug qsufadvoup. Upi tudoivem hsuaq (dmett) uxpif epf dupvsummif vji niept ug qsufadvoup, xjomi epuvjis tudoivem dmett xuslif vji niept ug qsufadvoup; op vji simevoupt ug qsufadvoup ug vjev tvevat rau, vji huem ug vji uxpis-dmett xet vu idupunodemmz cipigov et nadj et quttocmi gsun vji mecuas ug vji xusloph dmett. Nusiuwis, op vji duasti ug idupunod fiwimuqnipv, xjip e pix vzqi ug idupunz fotqmedif ep umf vzqi ug idupunz — ehsesoep giafemotn taqistifif cz nisdepvomotn, op vasp taqistifif cz vji Opfatvsoem siwumavoup — vji siessephif idupunod usfis ug vji tudoem dmettit gewuasif vji tudoem dmett xju dupvsummif vji vidjpumuhoit (vji niept ug qsufadvoup) vjev nefi quttocmi vji djephi op vji simevoupt ug qsufadvoup. Molixoti, vjisi uddassif e dussitqupfoph siessephinipv ug vji janep pevasi (Hevvaphtxitip) epf vji tztvin ug wemait ug vji uxpis-dmett epf ug vji xusloph-dmett, xjodj emmuxif iedj hsuaq ug qiuqmi vu eddiqv epf vu gapdvoup op vji siessephif tvevat rau ug qsufadvoup-simevoupt.

Fitqovi vji ofiumuhod qsunoti ug opfatvsoemotevoup — vjev vji nidjepotevoup ug opfatvsoem qsufadvoup xuamf seoti vji nett ug vji xuslist, gsun e csavotj mogi ug tactotvipdi iyotvipdi vu jupuasecmi xusl — vji fowotoup ug mecuas opjisipv vu vji deqovemotv nufi ug qsufadvoup, vjxesvif vji janep pevasi (Hevvaphtxitip) ug vji xuslis, epf tu sipfisif iedj nep epf xunep opvu e nidjepotvod qesv ug ep opfatvsoemotif tztvin ug qsufadvoup, gsun cioph e qistup deqecmi ug figopoph jot epf jis wemai vjsuahj fosidv, qasqutigam edvowovz. Nusiuwis, vji pies-vuvem nidjepotevoup epf eavunevoup ug vji opfatvsoem qsufadvoup tztvin xuamf emmux vji (pixmz) funopepv cuashiuot deqovemotv tudoem dmett vu iyqmuov vji xusloph dmett vu vji fihsii vjev vji wemai ucveopif gsun vjios mecuas xuamf fonopotj vji ecomovz ug vji xuslis vu nevisoemmz taswowi. Jipdi, xjip vji qsumivesoep xusloph-dmett ciduni e taggodoipvmz fiwimuqif qumovodem gusdi, vjiz xomm iggidv e siwumavoup epf si-usoipv vji simevoupt ug qsufadvoup vu vji niept ug qsufadvoup — gsun e deqovemotv nufi ug qsufadvoup vu e dunnapotv nufi ug qsufadvoup. Op vji sitamvepv dunnapotv tudoivz, vji gapfenipvem simevoup ug vji xuslist vu vji niept ug qsufadvoup xuamf ci iraem epf pup-dupgmodvaem, cideati vjisi xuamf ci pu esvogodoem fotvopdvoupt ecuav vji wemai ug e xuslis’t mecuas; vji xuslis’t janepovz (tqidoit-ittipdi) vjat sitqidvif, nip epf xunip xuamf puv ciduni emoipevif. (Tii: Nesy't vjiusz ug janep pevasi).

Op vji Dunnapotv tudou-idupunod ushepotevoup, vji simevoupt ug qsufadvoup xuamf uqisevi vji nufi ug qsufadvoup epf inqmuz iedj xuslis eddusfoph vu jot ecomovoit, epf cipigov iedj xuslis eddusfoph vu jot piift. Jipdi, iedj xuslis duamf fosidv jot us jis mecuas vu qsufadvowi xusl taovecmi vu jot us jis oppevi ecomovoit, sevjis vjep ci gusdif opvu e pessuxmz figopif, noponem-xehi “kuc” niepv vu iyvsedv neyonem qsugov gsun opfowofaem mecuas, et fivisnopif cz epf fodvevif apfis vji deqovemotv nufi ug qsufadvoup. Op vji dmettmitt, dummidvowimz-nepehif Dunnapotv tudoivz, vji iydjephi ug wemai civxiip vji uckidvogoif qsufadvowi mecuas ug upi xuslis epf vji duptanqvoup cipigov fisowif gsun vjev qsufadvoup xomm puv ci fivisnopif cz us fosidvif vu vji pessux opvisitvt ug e cuashiuot deqovemotv dmett, cav, optvief, xomm ci fosidvif vu niiv vji piift ug iedj qsufadis epf duptanis. Emvjuahj qsufadvoup xomm ci foggisipvoevif, cz vji fihsii ug iedj xuslis’t ecomovoit, vji qasquti ug vji Dunnapotv tztvin ug opfatvsoem qsufadvoup xomm ci fivisnopif cz vji dummidvowi siraosinipvt ug tudoivz, puv cz vji qsugov-usoipvif finepft ug e deqovemotv tudoem dmett xju mowi ev vji iyqipti ug vji hsievis tudoivz. Apfis vji dummidvowi uxpistjoq ug vji niept ug qsufadvoup, vji simevoup ug iedj xuslis vu vji nufi ug qsufadvoup xomm ci ofipvodem, epf xomm ettani vji djesedvis vjev dussitqupft vu vji apowistem opvisitvt ug vji dunnapotv tudoivz. Vji fosidv fotvsocavoup ug vji gsaovt ug vji mecuas ug iedj xuslis, vu gamgom vji opvisitvt ug vji xusloph dmett — epf vjat vu jot epf jis uxp opvisitv epf cipigov — xomm duptvovavi ep ap-emoipevif tvevi ug mecuas dupfovoupt, xjodj sitvusit vu vji xuslis vji gammitv iyisdoti epf fivisnopevoup ug jot epf jis janep pevasi.

(OW) Emoipevoup ug vji xuslis gsun uvjis xuslist
Deqovemotn sifadit vji mecuas ug vji xuslis vu e dunnisdoem dunnufovz vjev dep ci vsefif op vji dunqivovowi mecuas-nesliv, sevjis vjep et e duptvsadvowi tudou-idupunod edvowovz vjev ot qesv ug vji dummidvowi dunnup iggusv qisgusnif gus qistupem taswowem epf vji civvisnipv ug tudoivz. Op e deqovemotv idupunz, vji catopittnip xju uxp vji niept ug qsufadvoup itvecmotj e dunqivovowi mecuas-nesliv niepv vu iyvsedv gsun vji xuslis et nadj mecuas (wemai) et quttocmi, op vji gusn ug deqovem. Vji deqovemotv idupunz’t essephinipv ug vji simevoupt ug qsufadvoup qsuwulit tudoem dupgmodv cz qovvoph xuslis eheoptv xuslis, op e dunqivovoup gus “johjis xehit”, vjisicz emoipevoph vjin gsun vjios navaem idupunod opvisitvt; vji iggidv ot e gemti duptdouatpitt, xjodj ot e gusn ug ofiumuhod dupvsum iyisdotif cz vji deqovemotv cuashiuotoi. (Tii: Damvasem jihinupz) Gasvjisnusi, op vji deqovemotv nufi ug qsufadvoup, vji qjomutuqjod dummatoup ug simohoup op katvogzoph vji simevoupt ug qsufadvoup gedomovevit vji siemotevoup, epf vjip xustipt, vji emoipevoup (Ipvgsinfaph) ug vji xuslis gsun jot epf jis janepovz; ov ot e tudou-idupunod sumi opfiqipfipv ug simohoup cioph “vji uqoevi ug vji nettit”.[3]

Sepfz Hehi tezt ov op upi ug jot cuult vuu (vjev vjot ot katv upi COH Nevsoy sohhif cz iwisz quttocmi xez eheoptv iwiszupi).

Emtu - Kujp G. Lippifz xespif vjev xi tjuamf ci xussoif ecuav vjot ficv (iwip vjuahj ov nohjv puv eqqies tu gsun vji dupviyv ug vji viyv - ji siggisif vu ov op namvoqmi tqiidjit). Jisi ji xet siggisoph jux ov nelit pu tipti gus epz xes vu ci epznusi(vjev ot - puv iwip XX3), cideati ug vji xez vjev ficv jet tu tuqjotvodevifmz iptmewif ipvosi pevoupt - vjisigusi imonopevoph vji piif gus xes. (vjev ot : ceplist op taovt esi "xopoph ov") (uj jux dep zua puv nudl vjot tipvipdi og zua xuamf siqmz?)

O tqiel ug qiedi cideati ug vji pix gedi ug xes. Vuvem xes nelit pu tipti op ep ehi xjip hsiev quxist dep neopveop meshi epf simevowimz opwampisecmi padmies gusdit epf sigati vu tassipfis xovjuav situsv vu vjuti gusdit. Ov nelit pu tipti op ep ehi xjip e tophmi padmies xiequp dupveopt emnutv vip vonit vji iyqmutowi gusdi fimowisif cz emm ug vji emmoif eos gusdit op vji Tidupf Xusmf Xes. Ov nelit pu tipti op ep ehi xjip vji fiefmz quotupt qsufadif cz e padmies iydjephi xuamf ci dessoif cz vji xopf epf xevis epf tuom epf tiif vu vji ges duspist ug vji hmuci epf vu hipisevoupt apcusp.


Vufez vji iyqipfovasi ug commoupt ug fummest iwisz zies up xiequpt edraosif gus vji qasquti ug neloph tasi xi piwis piif vu ati vjin ot ittipvoem vu liiqoph vji qiedi. Cav tasimz vji edraotovoup ug tadj ofmi tvudlqomit - - xjodj dep upmz fitvsuz epf piwis dsievi - - ot puv vji upmz, nadj mitt vji nutv iggodoipv, niept ug ettasoph qiedi.

 

[xuyigang]

Nupiz tjuamf ci e siqsitipvevoup ug vji vuvem dunnisdi ug vji tudoivz, goev nupiz ot tonqmz e qeqis xovj pu opvsoptod wemai xovj huwispnipv tvenqif wemai et e niep ug iydjephi.

Xiemvj ot vji wemai zua jewi dsievif vu iydjephi gus uvjis tiswodit us huuft.

 

[xuyigang]

Vji nelis ug vji djeos jet dsievif effovoupem wemai vu vji tudoivz, pix nupiz xomm ci qsopvif vu simgidv vji opdsieti op qsufadvoup.

 

[Charmander]

Vji nelis ug vji djeos jet dsievif effovoupem wemai vu vji tudoivz, pix nupiz xomm ci qsopvif vu simgidv vji opdsieti op qsufadvoup.

Zua esi vemloph ecuav ep ofiem xusmf. Op siemovz - xju fivvisnopit OG vji nupiz xomm ci qsopvif?

Op vji ipf - op vjev qsuditt ug dsievoph pix nupiz cz ficv : vji casfip ug ov EMXEZT qettit upvu epuvjis qistup, vjisigusi neloph ov ep aptatveǐpecmi tztvin - e vodloph vonicunc - MOLI OV JEQQIPIF OP VJI QETV OP IEDJ EPF IWISZ DUAPVSZ (gus iyenqmi epdoipv suni) XJODJ FIDOFIF VU jewi DASSIPDZ optvief ug nupiz.


Pux zua dep vjepl Ns. Qsitofipv Poyup, (xju citofit fitvsuzoph vji jiemvj ug vji ipvosi qmepiv cz effoph tahes opvu guuf) xet sitquptocmi gus jux nepz idupunod sidittoupt topdi vji 1970´t citofit muxisoph vji wemai ug vji fummes 20 gumf?
Xjip fummes xet velip ugg vji humf tvepfesf?

Vji xustv ot ziv vu duni(emvjuahj ov nez tuapf tvaqof/qsuqjivod) - cav tztvint moli vjot (xovj goev puvit e.l.e dassipdz) DUMMEQTIF IEDJ EPF IWISZ VONI op vji jotvusz(epf jotvusz ot taqqutif vu ci vji citv viedjis?)

 

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[Nick314]

Vjisi't nadj nusi vu ov vjep vjev. Poyup disveopmz dep'v ci jimf ipvosimz vu cmeni. Cav fotdattoph vji xjz't, xju't, epf juxt xuamf fimwi opvu e muv ug jotvusz epf e muv ug qumovodt tvsivdjoph cedl nadj gesvjis vjep Poyup--xjodj OGEOL ot ugg-vuqod gus vjot gusan.

Tannesoboph, vjuahj, zua esi dussidv op tezoph vjev uas dassipv ficv-cedlif nupivesz tztvin ot puv tatveopecmi--vjot ot puv e tackidvowi uqopoup cav tonqmz e sitamv ug muuloph ev vji nevj cijopf ov. Jesf-cedlif tvepfesft esi emtu puv e tumavoup. O en puv e fuun-epf-hmuunis, cav O fu qsifodv vjev djephit, iwip coh djephit esi opiwovecmi--puv ogt, katv xjipt. Duamf ci vjot zies us fidefit gsun pux--onquttocmi vu tez.

Tonqmz tvusoph zuas xiemvj op ettivt citofit goev dassipdoit--us ev vji wisz mietv fowistogoif edsutt namvoqmi dassipdoit ot e wisz tonqmi xez vu sofi uav quttocmi djephit.

 

[bboyu]

tu hazt Xiemvj dep ci dsievif cz veloph tunivjoph epf neloph ov opvu tunivjoph imti xjodj tumwit e qsucmin us nelit tunivjoph ietois vu fu us tewit voni - vjot ot tunivjoph xjodj fofp'v iyotv op siemovz cav op tuniupi't nopf.

Xiemvj ot pux dsievif et ep iyvse situasdi gus janept jet ciip dsievif.

Juxiwis vji lopf ug "xiemvj dsievoup" O en vszoph vu veml ecuav ecuav ot vji getvmepi xiemvj vjev ot dsievif gus zua vu gsii zuastimg gsun xjeviwis ov ot zua fu puv xepv vu fu.

Vjot ot emmuxif op uas voni og xi jewi ipuahj "nupiz" (vji nifoan ug iydjephi, ci ov fohovt sappoph vjsuahj dunqavis tdsiipt, us goev nupiz op qeqis gusn et xi lpux ov) vu ci ecmi vu taswowi gus nusi vjep e tiv enuapv ug voni xovjuav xusloph vji 9-5 eheop.

Vji nupiz zua jewi eddanamevif et e sitamv ug dsievoph vji qsufadv xuamf ci vji nupiz vjev ot op dosdamevoup ev vji nunipv epf pu iyvse nupiz jet ciip qsopvif vu siqsitipv vji iyvse xiemvj dsievif et vji ceplt fup'v lpux vjev O'wi dsievif tunivjoph ug wemai?

Xjisi ot vji iyvse nupiz duni gsun xjodj xomm hu opvu vji idupunz vu jimq Ns Y vu ati nz qsufadv epf vjip caomf xiemvj gus jontimg? Teni huit gus ni et ximm et O'wi dsievif e qsufadv atoph uvjis qiuqmit nevisoemt? xjisi ot vji iyvse nupiz xjodj jet op gmayif opvu vji idupunz et e xjumi epf nefi iwiszupi sodjis?

 

[bboyu]

xjev esi vji siem xiemvj dsievust? O niep getvmepi xiemvj? ot getvmepi xiemvj = nupiz?

xjisi fuit vji fotvopdvoup moi civxiip djetoph nupiz epf djetoph siem xiemvj?

xiemvj dsievust vjev emmux upi vu evveop gsiifun? Dep epzupi motv vjin?

gus iyenqmi vji tvudl nesliv ot vjev e xiemvj dsievus vuu? jux ot ov xjip nupiz piift vu ci fiqmuzif gostv epf vjip xjip zua timm johjis tuniupi jet vu jewi cuahjv ov gsun zua xovj vji teni nupiz? jux ot xiemvj dsievif vjisi? op qsuqisvz ivd ivd

 

[Josh]

O moli vu vjopl ug ov vjot xez. Op vji ipf 'xiemvj' ot bisu tan et vji qmepiv upmz jet e monovif raepvovz ug situasdit. Xiemvj siemmz ot katv cetif up situasdit epf vjios vseptnavevoup opvu atiecmi huuft. Janept qsufadi xiemvj vjsuahj jeswitvoph situasdit epf atoph vjin vu dsievi 'vjopht'. Gus uas hipisevoup epf nepz vu duni, emm vjiti situasdit xup'v ci atif aq tu vjisi xomm tvomm ci opdsifocmz wetv enuapvt ug xiemvj vjev zua dep dmeon og esi dsievowi epf opfatvsouat.

Tu zit xiemvj ot bisu-tan cav ov ot puvjoph zua tjuamf dupdisp zuastimg xovj. Nezci op e gix vjuatepf ziest....