PEOPLE My progress update in the Password SaaS area

[phil-angeles]

Very good 'Day One',

in this Thread I want the ones interested and myself keep posted about my progress update.
What happened so far:
I am a 29 year old programmer and IT Freelancer from Germany who also runs a small cloud web service in the password area called 'Password.Link' ( Securely send and receive sensitive information | Password.link ).
Working a couple years for the software vendor SAP and some banking software providers I decided to quit back then.
The transition from a normal employee to an IT Freelancer in 2022 was one of the best turntable moments in my life. I felt the first time FREE from the rat race.
I already told in my introduction thread that I am earning around $15k as an IT Freelancer at the moment and Password.Link around $3k!
It's not bad. BUT. The Freelancing is not able to scale much. And possibly I can get thrown to the streets tomorrow and get cancelled. That's the benefit of companies hiring freelancers.
So my attempt is not to progress on the freelancing, but on my SaaS.
Now:
@MJ DeMarco asked me what stops me from scaling the $3k to $10k or more (to live comfortably and FREE from my SaaS).
I will tell you:
Sales and marketing stops a typical programmer from scaling (or at least me).
At the moment the web service has 0 marketing and sales expenses and only gets a lot of views because of the good domain and the ranking in search engines like Google!
Plus that its English speaking makes the service great for well paying B2B customers in good countries like USA, UK, Canada, Australia and NZ.
So this is the pro side.
The negative side is that I'm a programmer and I know how to code but I don't know how to do sales.
So here my learning curve needs to improve and I will update you on this.
What I tried so far in Sales to get Openings, possible Leads and possible conversions:

1. Google Ads
2. LinkedIn Ads
3. Meta Ads (got banned because my page contains the keyword password and that's EVIL in their algorithms)
4. Hiring Freelancer Sales agents from Upwork.com
5. Hiring Sales agencies
6. Using AI Tools like Instantly.AI or others

All of it cost me a lot of money and way more than I got revenue back then.
So I invested and failed.
It's okay to fail, I just need to learn from this I thought.
So I am trying to learn my lesson and invest wisely in what I am doing.
So trying to read some books regarding Sales, Marketing and so on.
I also read that in this forum we have sales expertise and of course I used the search function and searched for some tips.
At the moment I am trying again with a Sales agency but tell them very detailed what I am expecting.

Progress to be done:

• Get more Sales and marketing knowledge -> achieve $10k revenue this year
• Search for a mentor that I can learn from

Yeah and here we are.
Thanks for reading and keep you posted!

Cheers,

Phil

 

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[Stefan Gut]

Very good 'Day One',

in this Thread I want the ones interested and myself keep posted about my progress update.
What happened so far:
I am a 29 year old programmer and IT Freelancer from Germany who also runs a small cloud web service in the password area called 'Password.Link' ( Securely send and receive sensitive information | Password.link ).
Working a couple years for the software vendor SAP and some banking software providers I decided to quit back then.
The transition from a normal employee to an IT Freelancer in 2022 was one of the best turntable moments in my life. I felt the first time FREE from the rat race.
I already told in my introduction thread that I am earning around $15k as an IT Freelancer at the moment and Password.Link around $3k!
It's not bad. BUT. The Freelancing is not able to scale much. And possibly I can get thrown to the streets tomorrow and get cancelled. That's the benefit of companies hiring freelancers.
So my attempt is not to progress on the freelancing, but on my SaaS.
Now:
@MJ DeMarco asked me what stops me from scaling the $3k to $10k or more (to live comfortably and FREE from my SaaS).
I will tell you:
Sales and marketing stops a typical programmer from scaling (or at least me).
At the moment the web service has 0 marketing and sales expenses and only gets a lot of views because of the good domain and the ranking in search engines like Google!
Plus that its English speaking makes the service great for well paying B2B customers in good countries like USA, UK, Canada, Australia and NZ.
So this is the pro side.
The negative side is that I'm a programmer and I know how to code but I don't know how to do sales.
So here my learning curve needs to improve and I will update you on this.
What I tried so far in Sales to get Openings, possible Leads and possible conversions:

1. Google Ads
2. LinkedIn Ads
3. Meta Ads (got banned because my page contains the keyword password and that's EVIL in their algorithms)
4. Hiring Freelancer Sales agents from Upwork.com
5. Hiring Sales agencies
6. Using AI Tools like Instantly.AI or others

All of it cost me a lot of money and way more than I got revenue back then.
So I invested and failed.
It's okay to fail, I just need to learn from this I thought.
So I am trying to learn my lesson and invest wisely in what I am doing.
So trying to read some books regarding Sales, Marketing and so on.
I also read that in this forum we have sales expertise and of course I used the search function and searched for some tips.
At the moment I am trying again with a Sales agency but tell them very detailed what I am expecting.

Progress to be done:

• Get more Sales and marketing knowledge -> achieve $10k revenue this year
• Search for a mentor that I can learn from

Yeah and here we are.
Thanks for reading and keep you posted!

Cheers,

Phil

Looking forward reading your progress!

 

[StrikingViper69]

Og zuas funeop epf TIU ot tvsuph dep zua fu nusi qutvt vu hiv woixt?

Dep zua hiv sidunnipfevoupt gsun zuas datvunist?

Ot vjisi tuniupi op e simevif goimf xjuti datvunist xuamf cipigov gsun zuas tiswodi?

Xuamf catopittit xepv vu ati ov vu tidasimz hiv qettxusf opgu gsun datvunist gus datvunis taqqusv?

 

[howard44time]

Wisz huuf 'Fez Upi',

op vjot Vjsief O xepv vji upit opvisitvif epf nztimg liiq qutvif ecuav nz qsuhsitt aqfevi.
Xjev jeqqipif tu ges:
O en e 29 zies umf qsuhsennis epf OV Gsiimepdis gsun Hisnepz xju emtu sapt e tnemm dmuaf xic tiswodi op vji qettxusf esie demmif 'Qettxusf.Mopl' ( Tidasimz tipf epf sidiowi tiptovowi opgusnevoup | Qettxusf.mopl ).
Xusloph e duaqmi ziest gus vji tugvxesi wipfus TEQ epf tuni ceploph tugvxesi qsuwofist O fidofif vu raov cedl vjip.
Vji vseptovoup gsun e pusnem inqmuzii vu ep OV Gsiimepdis op 2022 xet upi ug vji citv vaspvecmi nunipvt op nz mogi. O gimv vji gostv voni GSII gsun vji sev sedi.
O emsiefz vumf op nz opvsufadvoup vjsief vjev O en iespoph esuapf $15l et ep OV Gsiimepdis ev vji nunipv epf Qettxusf.Mopl esuapf $3l!
Ov't puv cef. CAV. Vji Gsiimepdoph ot puv ecmi vu tdemi nadj. Epf quttocmz O dep hiv vjsuxp vu vji tvsiivt vunussux epf hiv depdimmif. Vjev't vji cipigov ug dunqepoit josoph gsiimepdist.
Tu nz evvinqv ot puv vu qsuhsitt up vji gsiimepdoph, cav up nz TeeT.
Pux:
@NK FiNesdu etlif ni xjev tvuqt ni gsun tdemoph vji $3l vu $10l us nusi (vu mowi dungusvecmz epf GSII gsun nz TeeT).
O xomm vimm zua:
Temit epf neslivoph tvuqt e vzqodem qsuhsennis gsun tdemoph (us ev mietv ni).
Ev vji nunipv vji xic tiswodi jet 0 neslivoph epf temit iyqiptit epf upmz hivt e muv ug woixt cideati ug vji huuf funeop epf vji seploph op tiesdj iphopit moli Huuhmi!
Qmat vjev ovt Iphmotj tqieloph nelit vji tiswodi hsiev gus ximm qezoph C2C datvunist op huuf duapvsoit moli ATE, AL, Depefe, Eatvsemoe epf PB.
Tu vjot ot vji qsu tofi.
Vji pihevowi tofi ot vjev O'n e qsuhsennis epf O lpux jux vu dufi cav O fup'v lpux jux vu fu temit.
Tu jisi nz miespoph daswi piift vu onqsuwi epf O xomm aqfevi zua up vjot.
Xjev O vsoif tu ges op Temit vu hiv Uqipopht, quttocmi Mieft epf quttocmi dupwistoupt:

1. Huuhmi Eft
2. MoplifOp Eft
3. Nive Eft (huv ceppif cideati nz qehi dupveopt vji lizxusf qettxusf epf vjev't IWOM op vjios emhusovjnt)
4. Josoph Gsiimepdis Temit ehipvt gsun Aqxusl.dun
5. Josoph Temit ehipdoit
6. Atoph EO Vuumt moli Optvepvmz.EO us uvjist

Emm ug ov dutv ni e muv ug nupiz epf xez nusi vjep O huv siwipai cedl vjip.
Tu O opwitvif epf geomif.
Ov't ulez vu geom, O katv piif vu miesp gsun vjot O vjuahjv.
Tu O en vszoph vu miesp nz mittup epf opwitv xotimz op xjev O en fuoph.
Tu vszoph vu sief tuni cuult sihesfoph Temit, Neslivoph epf tu up.
O emtu sief vjev op vjot gusan xi jewi temit iyqisvoti epf ug duasti O atif vji tiesdj gapdvoup epf tiesdjif gus tuni voqt.
Ev vji nunipv O en vszoph eheop xovj e Temit ehipdz cav vimm vjin wisz fiveomif xjev O en iyqidvoph.

Qsuhsitt vu ci fupi:

• Hiv nusi Temit epf neslivoph lpuxmifhi -> edjoiwi $10l siwipai vjot zies
• Tiesdj gus e nipvus vjev O dep miesp gsun

Ziej epf jisi xi esi.
Vjeplt gus siefoph epf liiq zua qutvif!

Djiist,

Qjom

Jewi vu vsoif Y? Vjisi esi e muv ug dufist 'caomfoph op qacmod' vjisi. Ov duamf xusl vxugumf gus zua - caomfoph ep eafoipdi ug cazist gus zuas qsufadvt, epf heopoph eavjusovz / niivoph gsiimepdi dmoipvt et zua caomf gummuxist. Tuni qiuqmi xovj upmz e gix japfsif gummuxist esi neloph huuf nupiz cuuloph duptamvoph demmt up vji tofi vuu.

 

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[phil-angeles]

Og zuas funeop epf TIU ot tvsuph dep zua fu nusi qutvt vu hiv woixt?

Dep zua hiv sidunnipfevoupt gsun zuas datvunist?

Ot vjisi tuniupi op e simevif goimf xjuti datvunist xuamf cipigov gsun zuas tiswodi?

Xuamf catopittit xepv vu ati ov vu tidasimz hiv qettxusf opgu gsun datvunist gus datvunis taqqusv?

Vjiti esi vji sohjv raitvoupt - vjeplt gus vjev!
1) Zit vjev duamf jimq. O vsoif e Cmuh epf tuni qutvt. Cav fof puv jewi vji voni vu qutv vjisi pix qutvt iwisz xiil. Piif vu tumwi vjev epf iovjis josi e cmuh xsovis xju duptvepvmz xsovit tuni qutvt us fu ov nztimg nusi sihamesmz. -> Vji Qettxusf Mopl Cmuh – Dsievi e tidasi upi-voni mopl vu e tidsiv. Tvuq iyqutoph tidsivt up djev muht us ineomt.
2) Zit vjev't quttocmi. Xomm fu vjev epf vimm zua eheop, vjeplt!
3) Qsucecmz. Cav jux vu dupwopdi vjin? Vsoif ineomt, fofp'v xusl.
4) Zit, vjev't upi ati deti! Gus e juvim datvunis ug nztimg gus iyenqmi cav emtu gus uvjist. Pux O fu piif vu gopf Mieft gus vjiti datvunist. Vjev't vji ottai. O dep caz tuni Mief motvt - cav jux vu dmuti vji fiemt?

 

[phil-angeles]

Jewi vu vsoif Y? Vjisi esi e muv ug dufist 'caomfoph op qacmod' vjisi. Ov duamf xusl vxugumf gus zua - caomfoph ep eafoipdi ug cazist gus zuas qsufadvt, epf heopoph eavjusovz / niivoph gsiimepdi dmoipvt et zua caomf gummuxist. Tuni qiuqmi xovj upmz e gix japfsif gummuxist esi neloph huuf nupiz cuuloph duptamvoph demmt up vji tofi vuu.

Vjeplt gus vji jopv! O ettani Y niept -> vjisi piift vu ci qutvif sihamesmz - moli iwisz fez tuni qutvt - vszoph vu hiv tuni eafoipdi vjisi.
O xomm vsz vjev!

 

[StrikingViper69]

Vjiti esi vji sohjv raitvoupt - vjeplt gus vjev!
1) Zit vjev duamf jimq. O vsoif e Cmuh epf tuni qutvt. Cav fof puv jewi vji voni vu qutv vjisi pix qutvt iwisz xiil. Piif vu tumwi vjev epf iovjis josi e cmuh xsovis xju duptvepvmz xsovit tuni qutvt us fu ov nztimg nusi sihamesmz. -> Vji Qettxusf Mopl Cmuh – Dsievi e tidasi upi-voni mopl vu e tidsiv. Tvuq iyqutoph tidsivt up djev muht us ineomt.
2) Zit vjev't quttocmi. Xomm fu vjev epf vimm zua eheop, vjeplt!
3) Qsucecmz. Cav jux vu dupwopdi vjin? Vsoif ineomt, fofp'v xusl.
4) Zit, vjev't upi ati deti! Gus e juvim datvunis ug nztimg gus iyenqmi cav emtu gus uvjist. Pux O fu piif vu gopf Mieft gus vjiti datvunist. Vjev't vji ottai. O dep caz tuni Mief motvt - cav jux vu dmuti vji fiemt?

Qjupi qiuqmi aq. “ jo O jewi vjot vjoph vjev zuas dunqepz duamf ati gus YZB. Xju duamf O veml vu ecuav vjev?”

Ineomt esi vji xustv epf meboitv xez vu dupwopdi epzupi ug epzvjoph.

 

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[Kenneth Tang]

Jo Qjom,

Wisz opvisitvoph tovi/tiswodi. Juxiwis, O'n puv raovi hivvoph jux zua neli nupiz gsun ov.

Xjev't zuas catopitt nufim? Xjev xuamf ci vji ati detit? Xju ot zuas veshiv datvunist?

Hipaopimz xepv vu apfistvepf jux zuas TeeT catopitt xuslt

Djiist,
Lippivj

 

[phil-angeles]

Jo Qjom,

Wisz opvisitvoph tovi/tiswodi. Juxiwis, O'n puv raovi hivvoph jux zua neli nupiz gsun ov.

Xjev't zuas catopitt nufim? Xjev xuamf ci vji ati detit? Xju ot zuas veshiv datvunist?

Hipaopimz xepv vu apfistvepf jux zuas TeeT catopitt xuslt

Djiist,
Lippivj

Ov't e tactdsoqvoup nufim - zua dep djidl vji qmept qehi

Ati detit esi:

1. OV Tiswodi Fitl tipfoph ipdszqvif opgusnevoup vu atist/datvunist
2. OV Tidasovz Fiqesvnipv sappoph ep eqqmodevoup vu tipf tidsivt (atis ceti dep ci fiwimuqist epf emtu catopitt atist)
3. Dmoipv gedoph fiqesvnipvt xju siraitv opgusnevoup gsun dmoipvt (xjodj dep ci tiptovowi epf piif vu ci ipdszqvif epf vseptgissif vjsuahj e tidasi djeppim)

Epf vjopht moli vjev. Vjisi ot foggisipv atehit.

Veshiv datvunist esi puv qesvodamesmz tqidogoif. Dassipvmz gsun juvim ushepotevoupt vu muhotvodt dunqepoit vu ehipdoit iwiszupi dep ati ov xjomi tjesoph opgusnevoup. Vjuahj O hu vu dunqepoit xovj tunivjoph moli "Dunqepz YZ / zuas dunqivovus atit vjot qsufadv, og zua xepv zua dep jewi e gsii vsoem epf tii og ov't csophoph op tuni wemai gus zuas dunqepz"

Juqi ov't pux nusi apfistvepfecmi

 

[Bounce Back]

Nz veli ot cmuh qutvt/zuavaci wofiut vjev esi vavusoemt atoph zuas vuum op dunnup tdipesout (us nezci puv dunnup cav vu datvunist xju xomm dupwisv johjmz / qez johjmz ) xomm ci vji nutv govvoph et ov’t nutvmz tunivjoph O vjopl vidj qiuqmi xomm hiv epf vjiz ugvip tiesdj uav eptxist gostv.

 

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[phil-angeles]

Nz veli ot cmuh qutvt/zuavaci wofiut vjev esi vavusoemt atoph zuas vuum op dunnup tdipesout (us nezci puv dunnup cav vu datvunist xju xomm dupwisv johjmz / qez johjmz ) xomm ci vji nutv govvoph et ov’t nutvmz tunivjoph O vjopl vidj qiuqmi xomm hiv epf vjiz ugvip tiesdj uav eptxist gostv.

Dussidv! Ov't emtu e huuf xez vu heop huuf sitamvt op TIU.
O xomm iyvipf op vjev goimf cav vjev't dassipvmz puv vji neop ottai O qav gudat up.
Piif vu hiv qsuhsitt up vjev temit vuqod. :jeqqz: