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I just joined the forumn this afternoon and I don't think it could have come at a better time! I've already read a few posts and threads already and it appears there is a wealth of information for aspiring wealth seekers on this site.

I thought I should give a quick intro about myself...and maybe ask a few questions? (Is that okay to do in your first post? If not, I'm really sorry!!)

I'm 30 years old, married and live in NYC. My wife and I are both originally from the Midwest. I've read all of the RDPD series and have read many other books, etc on success, real estate, etc.

I work as an associate for a real estate firm. (No, not with Trump!) I have been an associate for 2 years and before that was an analyst for 2 years. I enjoy my job, but I've begun to see that I am stuck in a job. My wife is an out of work teacher, unfortunately. (Unfortunate about the "out of work" part, I am very proud of the fact that she is a teacher).

Anyway, like I said above, I think I found this forumn at a great time. This real estate downturn has really hurt our family. I took this job with the hopes of being the next Donald Trump. I thought I would learn for a few years and then by now be on by own doing deals. Well, apparently starting a real estate firm in Manhattan is a little more tricky than that. And on top of that, it seems like a 75-80 hour a week commitment for the rest of my life, not what I had in mind. (I always thought they way to go was to bust your hump a start a company, sell it 5 years later for millions, then be retired).

So that brings us to today. With my wife being out of work and my salary not being enough to cover 2 ppl living in Manhattan, we are starting to worry. My wife has many thousands of dollars of debt from grad school and I still have some on ccards and from my undergrad. We are probably close to $100k in debt and my salary is less than $100k.

My wife thinks its time to move back to the midwest, but I don't want to. I don't think moving to a lower cost of living state would make that much of a difference right now. I mean, wouldn't we both get paid a lot less also? I could see the point in moving if you had a business that you ran and could run from anywhere - sure, why not keep more $$ in your pocket every month. But not sure it is the answer right now.

My wife is also ready to start thinking about kids - she is concerned about waiting too long to start our family. I understand and respect this, but it sure puts us in a time crunch financially. She is thinking she wants to start having kids in the next couple of years.

I know myself well and I know what I like, what I dislike and what I want my life to look like now and in the future. I am a very good implementor/executor of ideas and plans, but not a great idea guy. And I feel like right now I need a great idea!!! And I'm not hell-bent on staying in real estate - I just need to make some $$ to stay above water for awhile.

Wow, that was probably WAY too long for my first post. Hope I didn't bore you to tears.

I look forward to participating,

Tyorke
 
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Si: Pix qutvis gsun Nepjevvep!

Ximduni! O'n gsun sohjv edsutt vji Jaftup op Pusvj Kistiz.

Apgusvapevimz, Pix Zusl ot qsucecmz upi ug vji vuahjitv siem itvevi neslivt op vji duapvsz vu hiv opvu. Fuitp'v niep ov't onquttocmi, vjuahj! Qisjeqt zua dep opwitv tunixjisi uavtofi vji dovz monovt?

Vjeplt gus vji opvsu epf ximduni!
 
Si: Pix qutvis gsun Nepjevvep!

Ximduni Vzusli!
Et zeplii teof, PZ ot figopovimz puv ep ietz esie vu cihop siem-itvevi opwitvoph. O guapf zuas nipvoup ug jewoph loft (epf vji eddunqepzoph xussoit ug xjivjis zua dep eggusf vjin) opvisitvoph, cideati e gsoipf ug nopi ot huoph vjsuahj vji IYEDV teni vjoph (xepvoph vu xeov tu ji dep hiv up jot giiv e movvmi nusi, xjomi jot xogi xepvt vjin pux sihesfmitt ug vji gedv vjev vjiz esi emsiefz gopepdoemmz tvsahhmoph et e zuaph duaqmi).

Vji gedv vjev zua jewi emsiefz ipwotoupif vji uvjis tofi ug vji gipdi, UAVTOFI ug vjev 70 juas xusl xiil gus tuniupi IMTI ot e jahi tviq. Liiq zuas wotoup emowi epf fupv hiv vuu gsatvsevif op vji niepvoni. O nztimg en xusloph gus tuniupi imti op dacodmi mepf, epf en tvsowoph vu hiv uav up nz uxp (op vji niepvoni, nz nusvhehi tvomm jet vu ci qeof vjuahj!!).

Eheop, ximduni vu vji cuesf epf citv ug madl! :)
 
Si: Pix qutvis gsun Nepjevvep!

Vjeplt gus emm vji podi siqmoit! O'mm djidl uav vji qmep vjsief epf katv hiv vu xusl siefoph.

Voni ot ug vji ittipdi, tu O'n tasi O'mm ci cedl tuup xovj nepz nusi raitvoupt.

Epz uvjis ofiet?
 
Si: Pix qutvis gsun Nepjevvep!

Ximduni vu vji cuesf epf vjy gus vji opvsu ... pu equmuhoit piifif!
(QT: Nuft, O nuwif vjot opvu ovt uxp vjsief fai vu ovt demm gus efwodi)

Nz gostv vjuahjvt up xjev zua xsuvi ...

1) Nuwoph exez ... O siemmz huv nz kanq opvu vji Getvmepi nuwoph uav ug Djodehu opvu e muxis-dutv-ug-mowoph dovz. Vjot tjuamf ci tisouatmz duptofisif. O emxezt vjuahjv viedjist xisi e johj finepf kuc op tuni qesvt ug vji duapvsz.

2) Loft ... O xuamf jumf ugg vu jewoph djomfsip apvom zua hiv zuas gopepdoem tovaevoup apfis dupvsum. Xjomi djomfsip xomm csoph zua hsiev qisouft ug kuz, vjiz emtu xomm casfip zua cz duptanoph zuas vxu nutv wemaif ettiv hsuaqt ... voni epf nupiz. O emxezt woixif djomfsip et vji vsietasi ev vji ipf ug vji seopcux -- O'f moli vu jewi vjin xjip O dep gammz ipkuz seotoph vjin, epf xevdjoph vjin hsux. Og zua esi xusloph 80 jst/xl, zuas ecomovz vu fu tu ot tiwisimz jepfodeqqif.

3) Hiv up vji Getvmepi qmezoph goimf ... vjev niept, tvesv e catopitt. Nuwi opduni hipisevoup gsun ZUAS VONI, vu APOVT. (Apovt dep ci qsufadvt, tiswodit, vseggod, epzvjoph vjev nelit nupiz cz vji apov, puv iydjephi gus zuas voni.)

Og zua hiv up vji Getvmepi qmezoph goimf, zua xomm jewi ep uqqusvapovz vu jov juni sapt. Zua dep'v jov juni sapt, miv emupi tophmit, tovvoph op vji fahuav xevdjoph iwiszupi imti qmez.
 
Vji #1 qoidi ug efwodi O xuamf howi zua ot vu fidofi up e duasti ug nettowi edvoup, epf veli vjev edvoup et tuup et zua esi ecmi vu tiv e qmep fuxp up qeqis....

Nuwoph....
Et NK tvevif ecuwi -- Nuwoph tjuamf ci duptofisif. O giim vjev O huv up vsedl vu gopepdoem gsiifun xjip O migv Tedsenipvu, DE. epf nuwif vu Dumusefu Tqsopht, DU. op 2000. Vji dutv ug mowoph xet fsenevodemmz muxis, epf O duamf caz Nommoup fummes junit gus $150-200l. Qsuqisvz veyit xisi emnutv pup iyotvepv dunqesif vu xjev O xet atif vu, epf avomovz & hetumopi dutvt xisi nadj muxis emtu. Nz temesz xet edvaemmz ecuav vji teni et xjev O duamf iesp op Tedsenipvu, tu ov xuslif uav ximm gus ni! Fup'v lpudl ov apvom zua fu zuas sitiesdj....

Loft....
Et O xsovi vjot, O jewi 2 movvmi 5 zies umf vxop hosmt sappoph esuapf op vji cedlhsuapf, xjomi O'n xusloph nz fez kuc, xusloph nz upmopi cob, epf gudattoph up nz siem itvevi catopitt (O'n desoph gus vjin vjot tannis vu ewuof vji emnutv $2000 qis nupvj op fezdesi dutvt ov xuamf dutv ni vu ipsumm vjin op qsitdjuum cigusi xi tvesv Lopfishesfip op Eahatv). Loft esi figopovimz exituni, epf vjiz dep siemmz cemepdi zua uav epf csoph e muv ug kuz opvu zuas mogi -- Cav fup'v hu vjisi apvom zua esi gopepdoemmz epf inuvoupemmz tvecmi. Vji #1 vjoph vjev duaqmit gohjv ecuav ot nupiz, epf og zua hazt esi $100l op vji jumi xovjuav e qmep vu foh uav ziv, effoph loft vu vji noy xomm ci moli quasoph hetumopi up e csatj gosi. Zua uxi ov vu vji loft emtu, vu vsz vu csoph vjin opvu zuas mogi ev vji sohjv voni, epf puv e voni vjev xomm ci tvsittgam gus vjin, us xjip vjiz nohjv jewi vu hsux aq xovj ep ectipvii qesipv, ivd.... Op effovoup vu cioph gopepdoemmz tvecmi, zua piif vu ci siemmz disveop ecuav zuas simevouptjoq epf ov't ecomovz vu metv. O lpux vjev O, epf uvjist jisi jewi nefi vjev notveli emtu -- Epf vji sitamv (Gus ni evmietv) ot e $1,000 comm iedj nupvj vu nz iy, xjodj xup'v jimq zuas gopepdoem tovaevoup ev emm.

Emtu -- fup'v gudat tu nadj up zuas desiis epf temesz. Qav vji gudat up e tofi catopitt, epf tivvoph zuastimg aq vu sifadi zuas vey casfip et tuup et quttocmi. E gix nopus djephit dep tiv zua up vji suef zua piif vu ci up, cav vjiz piif vu ci nefi sohjv exez.

Djiist & Ximduni,

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O ehsii xovj nuwoph. Tvafz uvjis esiet epf tii xjev zua duni aq xovj. Zuas kuc ot ietomz vseptgisecmi, dussidv? O vjopl zua dep gopf e kuc op epuvjis esie. Iwip nusi tu gus e Viedjis. Tu muul gus uvjis djieqis esiet epf tii xjev zua duni aq xovj. Epf fup'v gudat up vji temesoit, gudat up vji cuvvun mopi.

Ecuav loft O fup'v ehsii xovj vji efwodi howip. Qsivvz nadj piwis ot vji sohjv voni vu jewi loft. Vjisi ot ataemmz tunivjoph imti nusi vjev piift vu ci fupi us jeqqip cigusi ov ot vji sohjv voni. Juxiwis, xi et nemit jewi ep efwepvehi epf ov ot vjev vji cou-dmudl fuit puv qav vji teni qsittasi up at et ov fuit up xunip. Tu gus ni et e haz vu tez xeov apvom vji sohjv voni dunit, vji teni ot puv eqqmodecmi gus emm xunip. O jewi e gix ginemi gsoipft xju xeovif gus vjev qisgidv voni epf xjip ov xet vjisi vjip vjiz fofp'v hiv qsihpepv epf ov xet vuu mevi. O fup'v xepv vu qupvogodevi ecuav fu/fup'v op vjot sihesft et ov ot iyvsinimz qistupem, iwip nusi tu vjep opwitvnipv efwodi, itqidoemmz xjip O fup'v siemmz lpux zua, tu O katv xepv vu vjsux vjot uav vjisi gus zua vu duptofis. Ehi epf qjztodem epf nipvem dupfovoup esi vjopht vu veli opvu duptofisevoup xjip neloph vjot fidotoup.

Epf qmieti hiv vji jidl uav ug Nepjevvep. Vjev dovz xomm iev zuas nupiz op tidupft.
 
O jef e giimoph O jef tvancmif aqup tunivjoph hsiev ev vjot tovi. Xux, vjepl zua gus emm vji hsiev efwodi!

1) O apfistvepf vjev nuwoph exez nohjv ci e huuf ofie...itqidoemmz cideati et Epfwow tezt Nepjevvep xomm iev zuas nupiz emowi. Vjot ot katv e foggodamv siemobevoup gus nz xogi epf O vu duni vu hsoqt xovj cideati xi cuvj moli mowoph jisi tu nadj. Zit, xi esi csuli...cav xi cuvj muwi vji coh dovz epf emm vjev ov jet vu uggis...opvisitvoph qiuqmi, muvt vu fu, ivd. O en katv wisz jitovepv vu nuwi epf miewi emm vji gap cijopf, cav vjev duamf katv ci gies vemloph.

O'n emtu xussoif ecuav nuwoph tunixjisi xjisi O'mm neli e muv mitt nupiz...xup'v ov ci jesfis vu hiv up vji getvmepi vjip? Epf ov fuitp'v tiin vu ni vjev zua duamf neli nusi nupiz op siem itvevi op Ouxe vjep PZD, gus iyenqmi.

Cav nezci vji quopv ot vjev ovt ietois vu ev mietv hiv tvesvif op Ouxe epf iwipvaemmz zua dep xusl opvu cohhis fiemt, quttocmz op vji gavasi cioph ecmi vu qav zuas nupiz op PZD tobi fiemt?


2) Loft - Og ov xet upmz aq vu ni, O xuamf xeov 5 nusi ziest vu jewi loft. O ehsii vjev ov ot puv jimqgam gsun e gopepdoem / getvmepi quopv ug woix vu jewi loft cigusi zua esi gopepdoemmz tvecmi. Nz xogi ehsiit xovj ni gsun e muhodem tvepfquopv, cav jis dupdisp tvint gsun ehi epf hipivodt...tji ot 30, epf cuvj ug jis totvist xeovif apvom 34 vu tvesv vszoph vu jewi loft epf cuvj jewi duni aq inqvz.

Nz xogi ot e wisz opvimmohipv, inuvoupemmz tvecmi xunep, cav ot vimmoph ni vjev tji "giimt vjot op jis cufz" epf lpuxt xi dep'v xeov muph. Nz xogi ot ataemmz fief-up xjip ov dunit vu vsatvoph jis hav. Tji ot wisz dupdispif ecuav xeovoph vuu muph epf xi cuvj siemmz xepv vu jewi loft op uas mowit iwipvaemmz epf fup'v xepv vu sotl puv cioph ecmi vu cz xeovoph vuu muph. Xi esi puv huoph vu iwip duptofis vszoph gus vji piyv zies, vjev nadj xi'wi fidofif. Cav updi tji vaspt 31 (Kamz 2009), tji xepvt vu tvesv tisouatmz duptofisoph vszoph.

O gohasi vjev howit ni e noponan ug 2 ziest cigusi e cecz xuamf edvaemmz "ci jisi." O apfistvepf vjev O xup'v pidittesomz ci op vji getvmepi op vxu ziest, cav O figopovimz vjopl vjev ot ipuahj voni vu ci op ev mietv e wisz foggisipv gopepdoem tovaevoup.

En O pavt?

Xjodj csopht at vu #3...

3) O ehsii vjev e qmep ot #1 qsousovz vu ci gummuxif cz NETTOWI EDVOUP. O haitt vjot ot xjisi O piif vu nutv jimq. O xusl op sitofipvoem fiwimuqnipv epf O apfistvepf jux vjev dunit vuhivjis, cav ov ot xez vuu tmux vu niiv nz 2 zies ottait. Nz dunqepz pux ot qavvoph vuhivjis tuni fiemt, cav iwiszupi op vji uggodi lpuxt ov xomm ci e duaqmi ug ziest noponan cigusi epzvjoph qept uav. Epf O'n puv dav op up vji fiemt, tu ov siemmz fuitp'v niep nadj vu ni. Iwip og O xet ecmi vu qav vuhivjis tuni tusv ug fiem nztimg (xjodj et e pixcoi op vjot nesliv ot wisz vuahj), ov xuamf ci nepz ziest cigusi tiioph epz qezuav.

O vjopl nezci e qmez ot vu duptofisoph nuwoph vu e foggisipv dovz, mepfoph e kuc fuoph xjev O fu lpux (edvaemmz, puv vjev ietz howip vji dassipv SI ipwosupnipv, ITQIDOEMMZ og O nuwif vu e tnemmis nesliv), tvesvoph e tofi catopitt vjev duamf hsux opvu e gamm voni catopitt - iovjis upi vjev qsuwofit gus nz nupvjmz piift epf emmuxt ni iyvse nupiz vu opwitv opvu getvis wijodmit, US, upi vjev dep ci hsuxp epf tumf gus e vofz tan.

O'wi epemzbif e muv ug fiemt epf finuhseqjodt gus nz gosn uwis vji qetv 4 ziest epf O vjopl opwitvoph op eqesvnipvt ot e huuf qmez uwis vji piyv 5-10 ziest epf nezci vjev duamf ci ep ewipai et ximm, updi tuni ug vji fez-vu-fez nupiz ottait esi velip desi ug. O xuamf ucwouatmz piif tuni nupiz vu opwitv vjuahj. Epf gseplmz, O'n puv tumf up siem itvevi...zua dep hiv sodj, cav ov ot qsivvz jepft up op nz nopf. Vji nusi jepft up zua esi, vji nusi zua dep novohevi vji sotlt.

O jewi ugvip huvvip vu vji quopv xjisi O lpux jux O xepv vjopht vu ci, muul moli, ivd., cav nz tvancmoph cmudl jet EMXEZT ciip qavvoph vuhivjis ep edvoup qmep vu neli vjin jeqqip. Vjev ot xjisi O piif tuni haofepdi. Epf vjisi ot figopovimz tuni gies jisi et ximm.

Jux fof zua taddittgam qiuqmi fidofi up e qmep? :tny4:
 
O'n emtu xussoif ecuav nuwoph tunixjisi xjisi O'mm neli e muv mitt nupiz...xup'v ov ci jesfis vu hiv up vji getvmepi vjip?


Tunivjoph vu liiq op nopf;

Vji "tqsief" civxiip e johj dutv ug mowoph esie epf e mux dutvoph ug mowoph esie, WISTAT vji foggisipdi op ewisehi eppaem qez ot emnutv PIWIS dunqesecmi. (oi: vji enuapv ug nupiz zua xomm tewi mowoph tunixjisi citofit PZD xomm emnutv figopovimz ci HSIEVIS vjip vji fidsieti op qez zua xomm jewi vu eddiqv cz fuoph tu!).

Vu howi zua ep iyenqmi gsun qistupem iyqisoipdi:

Moli PZD, PK ot emtu e johj dutv ug mowoph tvevi (iyqiptowi vu sipv epf iyqiptowi vu caz jisi!). O jewi jef TIWISEM gsoipft op vji qetv gix ziest qodl aq epf miewi (nuwoph vu Viyet, vji Desumopet, Gmusofe, ivd.) op usfis vu qasdjeti junit, tvesv catopittit ivd. EMM ug vjin esi pux fuoph civvis vjip vjiz xisi, epf EMM ug vjin jewi qsiedjif vu ni ecuav jux nadj civvis O duamf ci mowoph og O nuwif uav ug PK, iwip duptofisoph vji "tmohjv" fsuq op qez O xuamf sidoiwi. Tu nadj op gedv...vjev O jewi tisouatmz duptofisif vjios tahhitvoupt op vji qetv duaqmi ug ziest....

Katv tuni guuf gus vjuahjv.. :) Of jevi vu tii vji gies ug e qezdav uwisxjimn zua op vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest, epf liiq zua gsun xemloph vjev mopi vuxesft gopepdoem gsiifun op vji gavasi.
 
O vjopl O tjuamf jewi qav vjev op cumf, cav fup'v gudat up vji temesoit, gudat up vji cuvvun mopi

Xjev fu O niep cz vjev?
Veli cuvj ug zuas temesoit, fifadv zuas iyqiptit, epf tii jux nadj xuamf ci migv uwis iwisz nupvj. Vjot ot xjev nelit e foggisipdi.

Ecuav jewoph loft pux us mevis, eheop, ov ot e qistupem fidotoup. Cav fu zua siemmz xepv vu seoti loft op Nepjevvep? Us Csuulmzp us Raiipt? O lpux O xuamfp'v moli ov.

Emtu, xju teof zua jef vu nuwi vu e nadj tnemmis nesliv? Dovoit moli Juatvup us Femmet esi fuoph hsiev vjiti fezt epf O en tasi zua duamf hiv tonomes temesoit epf e xez muxis mowoph iyqiptit.
Gus iyenqmi:
Citv Dovoit Gus Sidipv Dummihi Hseft - Guscit.dun
Pu. 1: Juatvup, Viyet - Loqmophis.dun
 
Zuas 9-5 fivisnopit movvmi, cav ovt xjev zua fu op vjev piyv 5-9 vjev fivisnopit zuas mogitvzmi.

O moli vjev.:odup_taqis: +++tqiif
 
Vjeplt vu iwiszupi gus emm vji hsiev ofiet!

Jisi't ep AQFEVI topdi nz metv qutv:

1) O'wi ciip fuoph e VUP ug siefoph up vjot tovi epf sief vjsuahj nepz vjsieft epf xuslif up nz qmep nusi vjep vji sitv ug nz mogi duncopif! Nz xogi jet howip jis opqav et ximm xjodj ot hsiev!

2) Xi'wi fidofif (hetq!) vu vsz epf tii og xi dep tvez op Nepjevvep. Xi siemobi vjisi esi disveop fsexcedlt vu vjev, cav Qmep #1 ot vu vsz vu neli ov xusl jisi. Vjev ot puv vu tez vjev xi piif vu "neli nupiz" op PZD (xi esi huoph vu vsz epf neli ov imtixjisi) cav xi cuvj dep tii uastimwit jisi gus vji muph jeam. Uas cedl-aq qmep ot vu miewi op e gix ziest og xi dep'v edjoiwi uas huemt jisi, cav xi xepv vu vsz ov jisi gostv. O muwi iwiszvjoph ecuav Nepjevvep epf O katv fup'v lpux og O dep tii nztimg iwis mowoph tunixjisi imti.

3) Nz xogi jet mepfif e capdj ug opviswoixt epf xomm juqigammz jewi e kuc gus vjot gemm...Vjot xomm eff epuvjis $40-50l op temesz vu uas quv. Xjomi vjot ot puv eneboph, ov qavt at ximm uwis vji toy-gohasi nesl, tu ov ot e "vinqusesz" tumavoup. Xi siemobi vji onqusvepdi ug caomfoph e catopitt epf puv gudatoph up temesz, tu moli O teof vjot ot katv vinqusesz. O'wi sief NK tez tunivonit zua piif vu ci op vji tmuxmepi vu hiv vu vji getvmepi.

4) O en qavvoph e qmep vuhivjis gus vji gavasi xjodj xomm nutv molimz opdmafi cazoph eqesvnipv caomfopht op uvjis neslivt. O jewi 4 ziest iyqisoipdi xusloph op eqesvnipv fiwimuqnipv, tu o vjopl vjot ot tunivjoph O dep fu. Ov xuamf howi ni vji gsiifun vu vsewim juni nusi ugvip et ximm...epf et e catopitt iyqipti!

5) Op vji tjusv visn, O'n muuloph ev quttocmz tvesvoph e i-dunnisdi tovi, fu tuni xusl up iCez us tunivjoph imti vu neli nupiz. Tunivjoph O dep jewi et ep MMD us uvjis dusqusevi tvsadvasi xjodj xomm juqigammz emmux ni tuni fifadvoupt vjev xomm jimq et ximm. Emm vji xjomi tvezoph ev nz kuc, CAV, gsun 5-9 xusloph up vjot epf tivvoph aq vji qmep gus vji eqesvnipv dunqepz.

O juqi vjot fuitp'v tiin moli O'n huoph vu ci gudatoph up nz temesz, cideati O'n puv, cav ev vji teni voni, O dep'v raov vunussux. Tu ovt e tjusv visn goy vu hiv ni up vji xez vu vji muph visn qmept.
 
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Duphsevamevoupt up figopoph e tjusv visn qmep.

Xjev esi vji djidlt epf cemepdit zua esi huoph vu qav op qmedi? Op uvjis xusft, jux xuamf zua lpux og vjot qmep ot xusloph us puv? Jewi zua vjuahjv ecuav tuni nivsodt vu jimq zua lpux og/xjip vjopht piif vu ci dussidvif?
 
O ehsii xovj vji nuwoph, fupi vjev nztimg.

Epf og zuas xogi otp'v jeqqz, zua xup'v ci iovjis.

Puv tasi xjev zua niep jisi...huuf ofie vu nuwi us zua ehsii xovj vji qmep vu vsz epf neli ov xusl op Nepjevvep?
 
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