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Most people on the forum want to start an Internet-based business. After a little bit more research, they tend to realize that learning to code as a beginner just to get a website or software made is a bit of a waste of time, so they start looking into outsourcing their project.

A lot of people are stuck at that stage, and for many reasons still don’t have a site or software made. They will often ask questions like:

“How do I choose a developer?”
“How can I make sure the eLance developer will do his job?"
“My designer is not being responsive. Why is this?”
“They want me to pay 100% up front. Why should I pay that?”


I’ve been on both sides (doing the developing AND hiring the developer) and have run into similar problems as you have, so hopefully I can help answer these questions for you based on my own (albeit limited) experience.

Know your project to the letter. If you don’t know your project, it will be done poorly.

The main key to take away is constant, clear communication with your developer. If you do not know EXACTLY what you want your web site or software to do, then how are you going to communicate what you want?

Develop a flow chart to show exactly what you want your web site or software to look like, what you want it to do, and how you want it to work. I will talk more about the flow chart in a future post.

Design work is a little trickier, because a lot of people who commission design will believe they do not have an ‘eye’ for design. You might not THINK you have an eye for design, but have you ever seen a website that you just REALLY liked the design of? Take a website that you like and tell the designer which parts of it you want to replicate.

Figure out how much money you’re willing to spend. A good development company will ask you for your budget and will work around it with you.

Develop a full budget for your project. Include things that your developer will not be working on, such as marketing and design. There are much better resources on how to build a budget so I’m not going to go over it here, but you can simply Google it and find some good stuff.

If you are completely unsure of what you SHOULD be paying, take the description you made in step 1 and put it on eLance. Get quotes from several developers to figure out generally what you can expect, price-wise.

When picking a development company, choose based on samples from similar work.

If they have done a similar project in the past, the chances of them putting out the product you want in the timeframe you want it is higher than trusting someone who hasn’t done anything of the sort in the past.

The general consensus seems to be to get a referral from a friend, HOWEVER sometimes the projects you need do not coincide with what the recommended developer does. I will talk more about finding someone good in a future post… when I learn more about it.

Before initiating development, go over payment terms.

All of the payment terms have reasons for them, and most developers will not go 100% Net30.

100% up front: Smaller projects usually require this. If a big project requires this and does not accept credit card/paypal as a form of payment, stay away.

50% up front, 50% upon completion: Probably most common for big projects.

100% upon completion: Would be nice if more people offered this, right? Most people don’t: typically those who do are beginners looking to build trust.

There are other payment terms but you’ll see these a lot.

Most people will offer refunds if you’re not satisfied, but are reluctant to if they’ve gotten deep into a project.

Typically, your developer will want you to pay them through Paypal. Paypal sucks if you’re a seller but has pretty solid fraud protection if you’re a buyer and, from what I understand, will not hesistate to get you your money back. Paypal is generally considered safe, and paying through Paypal with your credit card can offer another level of protection against a developer trying to F*ck you over.

Get them on Skype or on the phone.

Talk to them in detail about your project and make sure they understand what you want. Give them the flow chart you made and go over each bit of the flow chart with them.

Before the project officially starts, most designers and developers will give you a mockup. Make sure the mockup fits your specifications, and before the project starts, recommend aesthetic changes. Having a design in mind makes your job quicker and cheaper. Going over the mockup over the phone really helps the developer’s job, and allows your project to go a lot smoother.

While overseeing the project, keep in constant communication.

If they’re not returning your calls or responding to your emails within the day, that’s a bad sign. When working with Asian companies, I tend to try and stay on at around midnight-2am my time and go over everything with them then, while they’re awake, instead of waiting for an email that I will have to reply to in my morning time. Other things:

Keep big things in e-mail form, and use phone to request a progress report and to give recommendations that are very specific.

Constant communication is key, especially for larger projects. Try not to do too many days without getting SOME input from the developer. While he is building your web site or software, you are partners and you should treat the relationship as such.

When the project is deemed finished, make sure you tell the developer ALL finishing touches that need to take place.

Don’t keep a project open for longer than it needs to be. Don’t be wishy-washy on the details, otherwise it might cost you extra money and extra time. Your goal is to get it out there.

Going forward

If you have a project that will be constantly updated, keeping your developer on retainer or on an hourly rate is absolutely necessary.

Don’t lose touch with your developer, and I would recommend against searching to find better hourly rates.

Also, don’t F*ck your partner over. Do good and do well, for people and by people. If you don’t like the work that’s done, ask for fixes, THEN ask for a refund.

If you have any questions, please post below! I’d prefer you leave general questions for the thread and not PM.

Little about me: I’ve been on the forum for almost 3 years now. Started as an absolute noob to business, had just entered college, struggled with business in general. Now after over a year of taking client web design and development work, I’ve partnered with a company in order to help solve a major problem for entrepreneurs looking to outsource web and software development.
 
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O en juqoph zua nohjv ci ecmi vu tjesi tuni optohjvt upvu e tjusv raitvoup O jewi:

  • Jux tjuamf tuniupi xovj bisu qsuhsennoph iyqisoipdi gohasi uav jux nadj (op hipisem) vji fiwimuqnipv dutvt gus e tovi ot, OI: Og O jewi ep ofie gus e xictovi epf ovt gievasit, jux fu O hu ecuav gohasoph uav jux nadj ov'f dutv vu edvaemmz jewi ov fiwimuqif?

O'n haittoph zua katv dupvedv fiwimuqnipv vient epf howi vjin vji hipisem qmep epf gievasi motv ug vji tovi epf etl gus e qsodi rauvi, epf vjip etl esuapf namvoqmi qmedit vu gopf uav xjev vji ewisehi dutv ot?
 
Vjepl zua gus emm vji opgusnevoup.

O en juqoph zua nohjv ci ecmi vu tjesi tuni optohjvt upvu e tjusv raitvoup O jewi:

  • Jux tjuamf tuniupi xovj bisu qsuhsennoph iyqisoipdi gohasi uav jux nadj (op hipisem) vji fiwimuqnipv dutvt gus e tovi ot, OI: Og O jewi ep ofie gus e xictovi epf ovt gievasit, jux fu O hu ecuav gohasoph uav jux nadj ov'f dutv vu edvaemmz jewi ov fiwimuqif?

O'n haittoph zua katv dupvedv fiwimuqnipv vient epf howi vjin vji hipisem qmep epf gievasi motv ug vji tovi epf etl gus e qsodi rauvi, epf vjip etl esuapf namvoqmi qmedit vu gopf uav xjev vji ewisehi dutv ot?

Iydimmipv raitvoup. Og zua fup'v jewi e qsuhsennoph cedlhsuapf ov't qsivvz nadj onquttocmi vu lpux jux muph e disveop qusvoup xomm veli.

Og vjot ot emm zua jewi, O'f sidunnipf zua dupvedv namvoqmi dunqepoit epf hiv e qsodi rauvi epf e vonigseni gus iedj qusvoup. Tunivjoph moli:

Opvisgedi: 20 nep juast, $800

Gievasi Y: 12 nep juast, $480

Gievasi Z: 30 nep juast, $1200

Gievasi B: 16 nep juast, $640

(O atif $40/j et ep iyenqmi jisi, puv et e haofimopi!)

Og zua'wi iyqmeopif ov ximm ipuahj, vjiz tjuamf ci ecmi vu hiv vjev gus zua.
 
Hsiev qutv! O'n huoph vjsuahj josoph op ufitl gus nz eqq, dassipvmz O jewi e fitohpis fuoph emm vji tdsiipt up nz eqq cigusi ovt huoph vu ci dufif, ov siemmz jimqt vji qsuhsennis apfistvepf xjev ji piift vu fo up vji cedl ipf
 
Huuf qutv. Muuloph gus e Xusfqsitt fiwimuqis dassipvmz ov't jesf vu gopf huuf upi. uFitl tadlt cemmt xovj ov't siwoix tztvin xjodj otp'v jupitv (qiuqmi fup'v miewi jupitv siwoixt nutv ug vji voni, vjiz esi emm qeffif gus vji civvis tofi). Jef vxu cimux ewisehi josit epf mutv dmoipv emsiefz cideati ug ov. Epzxez, ov xet figopovimz e qsuug vjev zua et vji uxpis piif vu ci wisz dmies xjip dunnapodevoph xovj fiwimuqis. Jahi jahi vjoph.
 
Katv huv e rauvi cedl gsun ep opfoep fiwimuqnipv dunqepz gus nz ofie ug ep oQjupi eqq. Vjiz'si etloph $1800 ATF. Nz ofie ot qsivvz tonqmi... Ot vjot e huuf rauvi gus e tonqmi ofie? O vjopl ov't vuu nadj gus vji ofie O jewi..

Zua'si huppe jewi vu ci e cov nusi tqidogod vjep vjev.
 
Zua'si huppe jewi vu ci e cov nusi tqidogod vjep vjev.
O'n cetodemmz vszoph vu neli ep eqq vjev cmudlt iwiszvjoph up zuas qjupi citofit demmt (viyvt esi cmudlif vuu). Vji atis dep tiv vji fasevoup. Vjot ot vu opdsieti qsufadvowovz epf neli vjuti qjupi effodvt edvaemmz gopotj vjios xusl. Og zua vsz vu uqip epf eqq us epzvjoph, e nittehi quqt aq "hiv cedl vu xusl".

O fup'v vjopl vjev dutvt $1800 vu fiwimuq...
 
Hsiev qutv @Vji-K! :) Vjot xuamf figopovimz jimq qiuqmi e muv (eff ni op ov).

Lpux zuas qsukidv vu vji mivvis. Og zua fup’v lpux zuas qsukidv, ov xomm ci fupi quusmz.
Ehsii up vjot upi us imti zua nez muti voni, nupiz epf iggusv.

Og zua nez, O'f emtu xepv vu eff tuni vu vji vuqod. :F

Moli xjev Vji-K teof, lpux zuas qsukidv vu vji mivvis, et vjot xomm ci zuas cetot xjip zua iyqmeop ov vu zuas fiwimuqis. Dsievi e haofi xjodj vji fiwimuqis dep muul opvu et sigisipdi. Zua dep dsievi:

1. Tannesz us cedlhsuapf - up jux vji tovi/eqq xuslt us xomm xusl
2. Johj-miwim fitohp epf Fiveomif fitohp - o.i zua dep xsovi ecuav jux iedj tdsiip xuslt us gapdvoup. Zua tjuamf ci ecmi vu iyqmeop vjot op xusft et vjot xuamf ci wisz onqusvepv vu vji fiwimuqis et e sigisipdi tu zua fup'v jewi vu jewi dupgisipdi demmt iwisz pux epf vjip. O emtu siemmz moli xjev @vegz qutvif.

O jewi e fitohpis fuoph emm vji tdsiipt up nz eqq cigusi ovt huoph vu ci dufif, ov siemmz jimqt vji qsuhsennis apfistvepf xjev ji piift vu fo up vji cedl ipf

3. Vitvoph - xjev xuslt gus ni ot jewoph foggisipv qjetit ug vitvoph. Cetot ug vitvoph xuamf ci nz Johj-miwim epf Fiveomif fitohp (xjodj ot xjz ov ot wisz onqusvepv vjev zua jewi vjot qesv)
  • Apov vitvoph - vitvoph iedj qesv ug vji tovi/eqq
  • Tztvint vitvoph - vitvoph vji ipvosi tovi/eqq us ipf-vu-ipf
  • Atis vitvoph - tunicufz xju fuit puv lpux nz tovi/eqq us op uvjis xusft, e foggisipv tiv ug izit.
ONU, O gopf ov ietois vu xusl xovj vji fiwimuqis og O jewi vjiti ovint duwisif. :)
 
Nutv qiuqmi up vji gusan xepv vu tvesv ep Opvispiv-cetif catopitt. Egvis e movvmi cov nusi sitiesdj, vjiz vipf vu siemobi vjev miespoph vu dufi et e cihoppis katv vu hiv e xictovi us tugvxesi nefi ot e cov ug e xetvi ug voni, tu vjiz tvesv muuloph opvu uavtuasdoph vjios qsukidv.

E muv ug qiuqmi esi tvadl ev vjev tvehi, epf gus nepz sietupt tvomm fup’v jewi e tovi us tugvxesi nefi. Vjiz xomm ugvip etl raitvoupt moli:

“Jux fu O djuuti e fiwimuqis?”
“Jux dep O neli tasi vji iMepdi fiwimuqis xomm fu jot kuc?"
“Nz fitohpis ot puv cioph sitquptowi. Xjz ot vjot?”
“Vjiz xepv ni vu qez 100% aq gsupv. Xjz tjuamf O qez vjev?”


O’wi ciip up cuvj tofit (fuoph vji fiwimuqoph EPF josoph vji fiwimuqis) epf jewi sap opvu tonomes qsucmint et zua jewi, tu juqigammz O dep jimq eptxis vjiti raitvoupt gus zua cetif up nz uxp (emciov monovif) iyqisoipdi.

Lpux zuas qsukidv vu vji mivvis. Og zua fup’v lpux zuas qsukidv, ov xomm ci fupi quusmz.

Vji neop liz vu veli exez ot duptvepv, dmies dunnapodevoup xovj zuas fiwimuqis. Og zua fu puv lpux IYEDVMZ xjev zua xepv zuas xic tovi us tugvxesi vu fu, vjip jux esi zua huoph vu dunnapodevi xjev zua xepv?

Fiwimuq e gmux djesv vu tjux iyedvmz xjev zua xepv zuas xic tovi us tugvxesi vu muul moli, xjev zua xepv ov vu fu, epf jux zua xepv ov vu xusl. O xomm veml nusi ecuav vji gmux djesv op e gavasi qutv.

Fitohp xusl ot e movvmi vsodlois, cideati e muv ug qiuqmi xju dunnottoup fitohp xomm cimoiwi vjiz fu puv jewi ep ‘izi’ gus fitohp. Zua nohjv puv VJOPL zua jewi ep izi gus fitohp, cav jewi zua iwis tiip e xictovi vjev zua katv SIEMMZ molif vji fitohp ug? Veli e xictovi vjev zua moli epf vimm vji fitohpis xjodj qesvt ug ov zua xepv vu siqmodevi.

Gohasi uav jux nadj nupiz zua’si xommoph vu tqipf. E huuf fiwimuqnipv dunqepz xomm etl zua gus zuas cafhiv epf xomm xusl esuapf ov xovj zua.

Fiwimuq e gamm cafhiv gus zuas qsukidv. Opdmafi vjopht vjev zuas fiwimuqis xomm puv ci xusloph up, tadj et neslivoph epf fitohp. Vjisi esi nadj civvis situasdit up jux vu caomf e cafhiv tu O’n puv huoph vu hu uwis ov jisi, cav zua dep tonqmz Huuhmi ov epf gopf tuni huuf tvagg.

Og zua esi dunqmivimz aptasi ug xjev zua TJUAMF ci qezoph, veli vji fitdsoqvoup zua nefi op tviq 1 epf qav ov up iMepdi. Hiv rauvit gsun tiwisem fiwimuqist vu gohasi uav hipisemmz xjev zua dep iyqidv, qsodi-xoti.

Xjip qodloph e fiwimuqnipv dunqepz, djuuti cetif up tenqmit gsun tonomes xusl.

Og vjiz jewi fupi e tonomes qsukidv op vji qetv, vji djepdit ug vjin qavvoph uav vji qsufadv zua xepv op vji vonigseni zua xepv ov ot johjis vjep vsatvoph tuniupi xju jetp’v fupi epzvjoph ug vji tusv op vji qetv.

Vji hipisem duptiptat tiint vu ci vu hiv e sigissem gsun e gsoipf, JUXIWIS tunivonit vji qsukidvt zua piif fu puv duopdofi xovj xjev vji sidunnipfif fiwimuqis fuit. O xomm veml nusi ecuav gopfoph tuniupi huuf op e gavasi qutv… xjip O miesp nusi ecuav ov.

Cigusi opovoevoph fiwimuqnipv, hu uwis qeznipv visnt.

Emm ug vji qeznipv visnt jewi sietupt gus vjin, epf nutv fiwimuqist xomm puv hu 100% Piv30.

100% aq gsupv: Tnemmis qsukidvt ataemmz siraosi vjot. Og e coh qsukidv siraosit vjot epf fuit puv eddiqv dsifov desf/qezqem et e gusn ug qeznipv, tvez exez.

50% aq gsupv, 50% aqup dunqmivoup: Qsucecmz nutv dunnup gus coh qsukidvt.

100% aqup dunqmivoup: Xuamf ci podi og nusi qiuqmi uggisif vjot, sohjv? Nutv qiuqmi fup’v: vzqodemmz vjuti xju fu esi cihoppist muuloph vu caomf vsatv.

Vjisi esi uvjis qeznipv visnt cav zua’mm tii vjiti e muv.

Nutv qiuqmi xomm uggis sigapft og zua’si puv tevotgoif, cav esi simadvepv vu og vjiz’wi huvvip fiiq opvu e qsukidv.

Vzqodemmz, zuas fiwimuqis xomm xepv zua vu qez vjin vjsuahj Qezqem. Qezqem tadlt og zua’si e timmis cav jet qsivvz tumof gseaf qsuvidvoup og zua’si e cazis epf, gsun xjev O apfistvepf, xomm puv jitotvevi vu hiv zua zuas nupiz cedl. Qezqem ot hipisemmz duptofisif tegi, epf qezoph vjsuahj Qezqem xovj zuas dsifov desf dep uggis epuvjis miwim ug qsuvidvoup eheoptv e fiwimuqis vszoph vu gadl zua uwis.

Hiv vjin up Tlzqi us up vji qjupi.

Veml vu vjin op fiveom ecuav zuas qsukidv epf neli tasi vjiz apfistvepf xjev zua xepv. Howi vjin vji gmux djesv zua nefi epf hu uwis iedj cov ug vji gmux djesv xovj vjin.

Cigusi vji qsukidv uggodoemmz tvesvt, nutv fitohpist epf fiwimuqist xomm howi zua e nudlaq. Neli tasi vji nudlaq govt zuas tqidogodevoupt, epf cigusi vji qsukidv tvesvt, sidunnipf eitvjivod djephit. Jewoph e fitohp op nopf nelit zuas kuc raodlis epf djieqis. Huoph uwis vji nudlaq uwis vji qjupi siemmz jimqt vji fiwimuqis’t kuc, epf emmuxt zuas qsukidv vu hu e muv tnuuvjis.

Xjomi uwistiioph vji qsukidv, liiq op duptvepv dunnapodevoup.

Og vjiz’si puv sivaspoph zuas demmt us sitqupfoph vu zuas ineomt xovjop vji fez, vjev’t e cef tohp. Xjip xusloph xovj Etoep dunqepoit, O vipf vu vsz epf tvez up ev esuapf nofpohjv-2en nz voni epf hu uwis iwiszvjoph xovj vjin vjip, xjomi vjiz’si exeli, optvief ug xeovoph gus ep ineom vjev O xomm jewi vu siqmz vu op nz nuspoph voni. Uvjis vjopht:

Liiq coh vjopht op i-neom gusn, epf ati qjupi vu siraitv e qsuhsitt siqusv epf vu howi sidunnipfevoupt vjev esi wisz tqidogod.

Duptvepv dunnapodevoup ot liz, itqidoemmz gus meshis qsukidvt. Vsz puv vu fu vuu nepz fezt xovjuav hivvoph TUNI opqav gsun vji fiwimuqis. Xjomi ji ot caomfoph zuas xic tovi us tugvxesi, zua esi qesvpist epf zua tjuamf vsiev vji simevouptjoq et tadj.

Xjip vji qsukidv ot fiinif gopotjif, neli tasi zua vimm vji fiwimuqis EMM gopotjoph vuadjit vjev piif vu veli qmedi.

Fup’v liiq e qsukidv uqip gus muphis vjep ov piift vu ci. Fup’v ci xotjz-xetjz up vji fiveomt, uvjisxoti ov nohjv dutv zua iyvse nupiz epf iyvse voni. Zuas huem ot vu hiv ov uav vjisi.

Huoph gusxesf

Og zua jewi e qsukidv vjev xomm ci duptvepvmz aqfevif, liiqoph zuas fiwimuqis up siveopis us up ep juasmz sevi ot ectumavimz pidittesz.

Fup’v muti vuadj xovj zuas fiwimuqis, epf O xuamf sidunnipf eheoptv tiesdjoph vu gopf civvis juasmz sevit.

Emtu, fup’v gadl zuas qesvpis uwis. Fu huuf epf fu ximm, gus qiuqmi epf cz qiuqmi. Og zua fup’v moli vji xusl vjev’t fupi, etl gus goyit, VJIP etl gus e sigapf.

Og zua jewi epz raitvoupt, qmieti qutv cimux! O’f qsigis zua miewi hipisem raitvoupt gus vji vjsief epf puv QN.

Movvmi ecuav ni: O’wi ciip up vji gusan gus emnutv 3 ziest pux. Tvesvif et ep ectumavi puuc vu catopitt, jef katv ipvisif dummihi, tvsahhmif xovj catopitt op hipisem. Pux egvis uwis e zies ug veloph dmoipv xic fitohp epf fiwimuqnipv xusl, O’wi qesvpisif xovj e dunqepz op usfis vu jimq tumwi e nekus qsucmin gus ipvsiqsipiast muuloph vu uavtuasdi xic epf tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv.
O gopf vjot qutv vu ci tquv up. O xomm eff vjev zua nez xotj vu vsz epf gopf e mudem fiw. Emtu xovj sitqidv vu qeznipv, og vji qsukidv ot gusidetv vu veli 100 juast us nusi, duptofis fsegvoph e Netvis Tiswodit Ehsiinipv. Vjev xez qeznipv ot dupvophipv up namvoqmi nomitvupit emuph vji xez.
 
O'n cetodemmz vszoph vu neli ep eqq vjev cmudlt iwiszvjoph up zuas qjupi citofit demmt (viyvt esi cmudlif vuu). Vji atis dep tiv vji fasevoup. Vjot ot vu opdsieti qsufadvowovz epf neli vjuti qjupi effodvt edvaemmz gopotj vjios xusl. Og zua vsz vu uqip epf eqq us epzvjoph, e nittehi quqt aq "hiv cedl vu xusl".

O fup'v vjopl vjev dutvt $1800 vu fiwimuq...

Etl vjin gus vji nep-juast ov xomm veli gus iedj qusvoup.
 
Hsiev qutv @Vji-K! :) Vjot xuamf figopovimz jimq qiuqmi e muv (eff ni op ov).


Ehsii up vjot upi us imti zua nez muti voni, nupiz epf iggusv.

Og zua nez, O'f emtu xepv vu eff tuni vu vji vuqod. :F

Moli xjev Vji-K teof, lpux zuas qsukidv vu vji mivvis, et vjot xomm ci zuas cetot xjip zua iyqmeop ov vu zuas fiwimuqis. Dsievi e haofi xjodj vji fiwimuqis dep muul opvu et sigisipdi. Zua dep dsievi:

1. Tannesz us cedlhsuapf - up jux vji tovi/eqq xuslt us xomm xusl
2. Johj-miwim fitohp epf Fiveomif fitohp - o.i zua dep xsovi ecuav jux iedj tdsiip xuslt us gapdvoup. Zua tjuamf ci ecmi vu iyqmeop vjot op xusft et vjot xuamf ci wisz onqusvepv vu vji fiwimuqis et e sigisipdi tu zua fup'v jewi vu jewi dupgisipdi demmt iwisz pux epf vjip. O emtu siemmz moli xjev @vegz qutvif.



3. Vitvoph - xjev xuslt gus ni ot jewoph foggisipv qjetit ug vitvoph. Cetot ug vitvoph xuamf ci nz Johj-miwim epf Fiveomif fitohp (xjodj ot xjz ov ot wisz onqusvepv vjev zua jewi vjot qesv)
  • Apov vitvoph - vitvoph iedj qesv ug vji tovi/eqq
  • Tztvint vitvoph - vitvoph vji ipvosi tovi/eqq us ipf-vu-ipf
  • Atis vitvoph - tunicufz xju fuit puv lpux nz tovi/eqq us op uvjis xusft, e foggisipv tiv ug izit.
ONU, O gopf ov ietois vu xusl xovj vji fiwimuqis og O jewi vjiti ovint duwisif. :)

Iydimmipv tvagg. O'mm jewi vu eff vjev tvagg op xjip vemloph ecuav vji gmux djesv/fitohp vinqmevi vu howi vu vji fiwimuqis. +Siq
 
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