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Large SFH for sale near large university campus, 5 BR/3.5bath, plus 1/1 garage unit. As it is half a block from edge of campus, after I rent this once, it should rent itself (student word of mouth will handle the rest). $3000 per month rent for the house would be snapped up in a second, $500 for the garage unit. So 3500 x 12 - $42,000 per year income. My only concern is spring semester housing arrangements are locked so I have to limp through until May/June before I could rent this out, but it would take 60-90 days to close anyway.

I have an angelic, hard money, private lender lined up. They would loan close to 100%, and would do a non-recourse loan (at lower rate than I could get from a bank on a conventional mortgage). This would enable me to buy through a self-directed Roth (also maybe with a Coverdale Educational Savings Account included). They would allow me to defer repayment until I got the place leased out and had cash flow, but I have some funds available to cover rent in the short term. Lender is NOT a related party.

Mortgage would be ~$1500 per month ($18k/yr). I am budgeting annually $14,000 for taxes, insurance, and maintenance (and that would be a very high estimation, it might be closer to half that, but I would keep that much reserved from repayment to cover unforeseen expenses and allow Roth IRA to cover them -- would put the money reserved funds into CDs or something).

So expenses would be $32k, leaving me $10k annual positive cash flow. I plan to plow all positive (non-reserved) cash flow into loan repayment, because I want to get this paid off quickly for 2 reasons. First, my lender would be loaning their own retirement funds, and I want to give them the ability to "call the loan" after a few years (10 years or so), in the event they needed to consume their retirement dollars. They would give me reasonable time (3-6 months) in which to go get conventional financing if I have not repaid the loan in full.

Second, I hope to get this paid off in 8 years, to coincide with when my oldest child starts college, and have the rental income available to pay for college expenses (if he went to this school, I know he could never live in this property if owned by my Roth/kids' Coverdale).

To pay off in 8 years, I need to cover tax, insurance and maintenance (TIM) costs from a source other than rental income. I have two options for this:

First option, I have another Roth investment (oil and gas royalties) that pays about $7200/yr (but is up and down with market forces on a monthly basis). That, plus adding $5,000 new money to Roth annually and $2,000 to Coverdale, earmarked for TIM, would make up all TIM costs annually and allow me to put all rental income into repaying the loan. LLC docs would require additional contributions from the Roth/Coverdale, like a note. All of the TIM expenses would be lost as far as tax deductions.

Second option, I could set this up so my Roth (maybe kids' Coverdale, too) invests in an LLC and I, individually, own half of the LLC (might do 40/40/20 with me and my Roth owning 40 each and the Coverdale owning 20). That would allow me (individually) to claim at 40-50% of the TIM costs on my tax returns, and I think I could pay and claim 100% of them (make sure the LLC docs permit that). Accounting-wise, the LLC would end up with unequal capital accounts as a result, and that would require the LLC to make unequal distributions to balance that out (would be about $112k after 8 years based upon above numbers). Basically 4 years of rent (after TIM expenses) would be distributed to me to "balance the books" and make up for earlier disproportionate payments. This would come at a time when I needed that $$ to pay for a kid in college, and would be fine by me. If I did it this way, I probably would not put the kids' Coverdale into this mix at all.

Once one kid graduates from college, another will be ready to start. As I understand it, I can withdraw Roth IRA funds to pay for a child's college expenses, so using the rental income into a Roth then out to college would be okay. Of course, a Coverdale can pay for college, and after one kid graduates I can change the beneficiary to next child, and then have until the last one is 30 before I have to distribute any remaining funds (with 10% penalty) or designate another family member (grandchild by then would be highly likely).

Even with diverting cash flow to pay for college, my retirement nest-egg would be well set -- with the equity in the real estate, and would have the cash flow after kids were out of college.

WHAT AM I MISSING? I figure I am overlooking some income tax issues, likely UBIT taxes on the Roth/Coverdale. Any way to minimize those based upon the setup outlined above?

Do you see one option above as being preferable to the other? Or do you see a third option I have not considered?

I have given this a LOT of thought but I am new at this, so input and constructive suggestions are always welcome! Thanks in advance, and a happy and prosperous new year to all!

PS. Anyone know of a good custodian for a Coverdale account if I go that route? I have a GREAT custodian for my Roth royalty investment at this time ($100 initial fee, $50 annual fee), but they won't do a Coverdale.
 
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gostvmz, xomm e duwisfemi iwip emmux zua vu ati vji gapft gus e qsowevi dunqepz? Nz apfistvepfoph ot vjev duwisfemi natv upmz ci atif gus qacmod dunqepoit, nadj moli vji 529.

(O uqvif vu caz vji loft Suvjt epf uqip vsefoph edduapvt op nz peni up vjios cijemg tu nz ninusz sihesfoph ifadevoup tewopht qmept ot satvz, equmuhoit)

tidupfmz, xomm vji OST eddiqv vji uqisevoph ehsiinipv vu qett 100% ug vji fifadvocmi ovint vjsuahj vu katv e qesv uxpis ug vji MMD?

vjosf, zua fup'v nipvoup fiqsidoevoup et e fifadvocmi. Jet vjev ciip demdamevif op zuas egvis vey epemztot?

gusvj, zuas U&H suzemvoit. Esi vjiz enisodep us gusiohp jumfopht?

gogvj, ACOV ottait dep ci ep edduapvoph pohjvnesi xjip opwitvoph op qacmod dunqepoit, cav zua dep epvodoqevi vjin op zuas demdamevoupt

toyvj, jewi zua duptofisif wedepdoit?

7- zua tez: >Edduapvoph-xoti, vji MMD xuamf ipf aq xovj apiraem deqovem edduapvt et e sitamv, epf vjev xuamf siraosi vji MMD vu neli apiraem fotvsocavoupt vu cemepdi vjev uav (xuamf ci ecuav $112l egvis 8 ziest cetif aqup ecuwi pancist). Cetodemmz 4 ziest ug sipv (egvis VON iyqiptit) xuamf ci fotvsocavif vu ni vu "cemepdi vji cuult" epf neli aq gus iesmois fotqsuqusvoupevi qeznipvt<

O en puv tasi O apfistvepf vjot qesv.
 
Duwisfemi xomm emmux vjot vzqi ug opwitvnipv, katv moli e Suvj; vji sitvsodvoupt gsun xjev zua esi qsujocovif gsun opwitvoph op esi emnutv ofipvodem. Nadj nusi gmiyocmi vjep e 529 edduapv, cav zua dep upmz dupvsocavi $2l qis zies opvu e Duwisfemi.

Fiqsidoevoup xetp'v demdamevif op cav tjuamf jewi ciip, O katv deppuv fu vjuti pancist ietomz tu O migv vjin uav. U/h suzemvoit esi funitvod. Ov ot tnemm epf O deppuv duapv up ov up e nupvj-vu-nupvj cetot, cav dep up ep eppaem cetot.

O en puv vissocmz xussoif ecuav wedepdoit, howip vji qsuyonovz vu denqat. O en puv sipvoph opfowofaem suunt, O'f sipv vji xjumi juati. O xuamf neli vji tvafipvt' qesipvt tohp e haesepvz ug vjios sipvem ucmohevoup. O vjopl vji citv xez vu liiq ov "mietoph ovtimg" ot vu sipv vu e hsuaq --O en vjoploph O hiv 6 hosmt gsun e tususovz op vjisi, epf ov xomm sipv ovtimg et upi hsefaevit epf epuvjis nuwit op. Vji het suzemvoit esi vjisi et e cedltvuq eheoptv wedepdz.

E hipisod MMD dep neli e fotqsuqusvoupevi emmudevoup ug qsugov epf mutt og vjisi ot e tqidogod idupunod sietup et qesv ug vji fiem. Ov jeqqipt op vji siem xusmf emm ug vji voni. Nz edduapvepv eqqsuedjif vjot gsun vji qistqidvowi ug "duamf nz Suvj qesvpis xovj ep apsimevif opfowofaem epf howi JON emm ug vji vey csielt?" Ji teof vjev xuamf ci gopi, cav ji xepvt ni vu hu tii epuvjis edduapvepv epf sap vjot qetv jon. O en vszoph vu tii og epzupi imti jet iwis vjuahjv ug vjot epf/us sap ov qetv ep edduapvepv.

Nz apfistvepfoph, egvis siefoph aq up vjot epf etloph nz edduapvepv, ot vjev e fotqsuqusvoupevi fotvsocavoup ug qsugovt us muttit ot qisnovvif et muph et (1) ov ot e fiem quopv, epf (2) upi qesvz fuit puv "veli e jov" up ovt veyit et e sitamv. Op nz iyenqmi ecuwi, O xuamf qistupemmz veli 100% ug vji vey xsovi uggt, epf vji Suvj xuamf gushu vjin. Vjisi ot e sevoupem fiem quopv gus vjot, et vji Suvj jet monovif situasdit (cz tvevavi; O jewi monovif situasdit, vuu, cav vjisi ot pu tvevavusz deq up ni!). O ipf aq civvis ugg, cav vji Suvj ot pu xusti ugg. O vjopl.

Nz edduapvepv tezt vjev vji qesvpistjoq cuult xomm ipf aq apiraem et e sitamv--O xomm jewi emm ug vji muttit evvsocavif vu nz tofi ug vji mifhis gus e pancis ug ziest. Og xi tvesv uav epf vji cuult tez NI = 1000 epf Suvj = 1000, epf iedj zies vjisi ot -50 mutt, epf emm ug vjev huit up nz tofi ug vji mifhis, egvis vip ziest vji cuult xomm sief NI = 500 epf Suvj = 1000. Vjat xi xuamf jewi vu "cemepdi vji cuult" updi vji puvi xet qeof ugg, epf jewi ep apiraem emmudevoup ug vji qsugovt apvom vji cuult cemepdif.

Vjeplt gus zuas opqav. Dep zua quopv ni vu tuni ug vji qutvt zua xisi vemloph ecuav? O en qsivvz pix vu vji tovi...
 
Op zuas qsous qutvt O fofp'v tii ov nipvoupif xjev zuas qasdjeti qsodi / uggis ot wt xjev vji qsuqisvz ot xusvj. Vjev duamf ci e qsivvz coh duptofisevoup op vji deti vjev vji qsuqisvz otp'v ecmi vu sipv uav raovi et ximm et qmeppif epf zua piif vu timm ov.
 
Zua teof vji nusvhehi qeznipv xet ecuav $1,500 e nupvj? Jux nadj ot vji juati huoph gus mux $2't?

Og zuas pancist esi sohjv ov fuitp'v muul vjev cef. Dummihi loft vsetj sipvemt tu liiq vjev op nopf, xies epf vies ot huoph vu ci johj.
 
Duwisfemi xomm emmux vjot vzqi ug opwitvnipv, katv moli e Suvj; vji sitvsodvoupt gsun xjev zua esi qsujocovif gsun opwitvoph op esi emnutv ofipvodem. Nadj nusi gmiyocmi vjep e 529 edduapv, cav zua dep upmz dupvsocavi $2l qis zies opvu e Duwisfemi.

Fiqsidoevoup xetp'v demdamevif op cav tjuamf jewi ciip, O katv deppuv fu vjuti pancist ietomz tu O migv vjin uav. U/h suzemvoit esi funitvod. Ov ot tnemm epf O deppuv duapv up ov up e nupvj-vu-nupvj cetot, cav dep up ep eppaem cetot.

O en puv vissocmz xussoif ecuav wedepdoit, howip vji qsuyonovz vu denqat. O en puv sipvoph opfowofaem suunt, O'f sipv vji xjumi juati. O xuamf neli vji tvafipvt' qesipvt tohp e haesepvz ug vjios sipvem ucmohevoup. O vjopl vji citv xez vu liiq ov "mietoph ovtimg" ot vu sipv vu e hsuaq --O en vjoploph O hiv 6 hosmt gsun e tususovz op vjisi, epf ov xomm sipv ovtimg et upi hsefaevit epf epuvjis nuwit op. Vji het suzemvoit esi vjisi et e cedltvuq eheoptv wedepdz.

E hipisod MMD dep neli e fotqsuqusvoupevi emmudevoup ug qsugov epf mutt og vjisi ot e tqidogod idupunod sietup et qesv ug vji fiem. Ov jeqqipt op vji siem xusmf emm ug vji voni. Nz edduapvepv eqqsuedjif vjot gsun vji qistqidvowi ug "duamf nz Suvj qesvpis xovj ep apsimevif opfowofaem epf howi JON emm ug vji vey csielt?" Ji teof vjev xuamf ci gopi, cav ji xepvt ni vu hu tii epuvjis edduapvepv epf sap vjot qetv jon. O en vszoph vu tii og epzupi imti jet iwis vjuahjv ug vjot epf/us sap ov qetv ep edduapvepv.

Nz apfistvepfoph, egvis siefoph aq up vjot epf etloph nz edduapvepv, ot vjev e fotqsuqusvoupevi fotvsocavoup ug qsugovt us muttit ot qisnovvif et muph et (1) ov ot e fiem quopv, epf (2) upi qesvz fuit puv "veli e jov" up ovt veyit et e sitamv. Op nz iyenqmi ecuwi, O xuamf qistupemmz veli 100% ug vji vey xsovi uggt, epf vji Suvj xuamf gushu vjin. Vjisi ot e sevoupem fiem quopv gus vjot, et vji Suvj jet monovif situasdit (cz tvevavi; O jewi monovif situasdit, vuu, cav vjisi ot pu tvevavusz deq up ni!). O ipf aq civvis ugg, cav vji Suvj ot pu xusti ugg. O vjopl.

Nz edduapvepv tezt vjev vji qesvpistjoq cuult xomm ipf aq apiraem et e sitamv--O xomm jewi emm ug vji muttit evvsocavif vu nz tofi ug vji mifhis gus e pancis ug ziest. Og xi tvesv uav epf vji cuult tez NI = 1000 epf Suvj = 1000, epf iedj zies vjisi ot -50 mutt, epf emm ug vjev huit up nz tofi ug vji mifhis, egvis vip ziest vji cuult xomm sief NI = 500 epf Suvj = 1000. Vjat xi xuamf jewi vu "cemepdi vji cuult" updi vji puvi xet qeof ugg, epf jewi ep apiraem emmudevoup ug vji qsugovt apvom vji cuult cemepdif.

Vjeplt gus zuas opqav. Dep zua quopv ni vu tuni ug vji qutvt zua xisi vemloph ecuav? O en qsivvz pix vu vji tovi...

ximm, gostvmz ximduni vu vji tovi. O siemmz eqqsidoevi vjot qutv cideati nz nopf ot sedoph xovj epuvjis ofie O jewi gus e qsuqisvz O cuahjv zitvisfez emuph xovj e duaqmi ug uvjist O en qastaoph.

Epf raovi gseplmz, vjot qutv ot iyvsinimz sigsitjoph wt nepz ug vji sej sej qutvt vjev tiin vu ci uwisxjimnoph vji neop qasquti ug vjot gusan.

ul, e muv ug opgu:

fiqsidoevoup = 1/29 ug dunnisdoem qsuqisvz epf 1/39 ug sitofipvoem qsuqisvz up vji onqsuwinipvt upmz (tuniupi tjuamf fuacmi djidl vjiti pancist cideati vjiz'si gsun ninusz) ... cav O xuamf ati vjin op vji demdamevoupt cideati zua dep fivisnopi jux nadj fiqsidoevoup xomm eggidv zuas sivasp

KATV ep GZO si: Funitvod U&H - apmoli depefoep suzemvz dunqepoit, Enisodep suzemvz vsatvt esi qsujocovif gsun edraotovoupt tu ci tasi vji sitiswi mogi ot tohpogodepv us dsievi e cedl aq qmep (dep zua fotdmuti vji vodlis?)

pux, O en puv vji vey hasa jisi, cav nz apfistvepfoph op vji qetv ot vjev vji MMD piift vu fotvsocavi vji qsugovt (us muttit) qsuqusvoupevi vu vji enuapv ug tjesit uxpif.

Og vji Suvj epf opfowofaem uxp iedj 50%, vjip vji muttit natv ci fotvsocavif vjev xez.

Juxiwis, op nz iyqisoipdit zua dep dsievi ep E miwim us e C miwim dmettogodevoup epf dsievi tiqesevi czmext gus vjin op e TAC T DUSQ epf vjip jewi foggisipv vey duptiraipdit et vji muttit/qsugovt esi qettif upvu vji opfowofaem, mmd, suvj us epz uvjis jumfist..... Pux vji 64l raitvoup ot dep vji MMD jewi foggisipv tjesi dmettit?

vjisi esi xezt vu eddunqmotj xjev zua'si vszoph vu fu, cav vji tvsadvasi nohjv ci dutvmz.

Jewi zua duptofisif atoph e timg fosidvif OSE moli IpvsatvDene? us Haofepv (tod?) e muv ug opgu jisi: jvvq://xxx.vjigetvmepivunommoupt.du...up/22397-timg-fosidvif-oset-2.jvnm#qutv104780

vji metv vjoph O dep dupvsocavi ot cigusi itvecmotjoph vji tvsadvasi, zua tjuamf sap vjot dupdiqv cz ep itvevi evvuspiz topdi vjot ot vji loffoi dummihi nupiz....

huuf madl.
 
Vjeplt emm, gus vji siqmoit. Vu eptxis nutv ug vji raitvoupt:

1. Vjiz esi etloph 375l gus vji juati, O vjopl ov dep ci cuahjv gus ges apfis vjev (O juqi 20% apfis), tu O en muuloph ev ~$300l-325l sephi. Vji juati ot xusvj xjev vjiz esi etloph, ONU. Vjot juati ot sohjv piyv fuus vu e qsowevi apowistovz, op ep aqtdemi esie xovj aqtdemi tvafipvt -- tu hivvoph nun epf fef vu haesepvz vji sipvt (epf fenehit) xuamf ci puv uav ug vji pusn. Iwiszcufz xepvt vu hiv ugg denqat, muvt ug 1-2 cifsuun sipvemt op vji esie cav vjot xuamf ci upi ug vji gix xjisi tiwisem duamf mowi. Eheop, O fup'v vjopl O jewi epz qsucmint mietoph (updi vji tqsoph tinitvis ipft). O en hivvoph e tdepfemuat opvisitv sevi, epf O en puv gedvusoph vji eppaem iyqiptit moli vey epf optasepdi opvu vji nupvjmz qeznipv gohasi ug $1500.

2. U/h suzemvoit esi fosidv suzemvoit gsun vji uqisevus ug vji ximm, cetif aqup nopisem uxpistjoq (puv uxpistjoq ug epz vzqi ug vsatv). O jewi 1.5 edsit op vji apov, qsonesomz het qsufadvoup. O iyqidv het qsodit (xjodj xisi apfis $2 ev vji ximm jief iesmois vjot zies) vu hiv cedl aq vu vji $7 sephi, epf hivvoph cedl vu $13 sephi moli ov xet 2 ziest ehu xomm jeqqip eheop. O fup'v xup'v vu hiv opvu e qumovodem foevsoci jisi, cav Ucene ot pu gep ug pevasem het (ji qsigist "dmiep duem," xjodj ot e nzvj, CVX), cav Duphsitt ot e gep ug pevasem het. O vjopl updi vji nof-visn imidvoupt summ esuapf, pevasem het xomm sidiowi nusi gewusecmi vsievnipv, itqidoemmz xovj YUN sidipvmz neloph e jahi edraotovoup ug YVU, epf uvjis nekus uom dunqepoit molimz vu gummux taov. Vji ximm O en qesv ug tjuamf metv gus 20+ ziest, epf xjomi qsufadvoup xomm veom ugg tunixjev iedj zies, qsodit tjuamf opdsieti epf liiq vji suzemvz opduni tvsien geosmz miwim (uwis e zies, cav nupvj vu nupvj xomm txoph xofimz).

3. Et O apfistvepf ov, ep T Dusq deppuv jewi e vsatv et e tjesijumfis, tu O duamf puv hu vjev suavi. Cav ep MMD dep jewi foggisipv dmettit ug nincist (E & C). Qsugovt epf muttit tjuamf ci fotvsocavif eddusfoph vu qisdipvehit ug uxpistjoq, cav vjisi esi tqidoem qsuwotoupt vjev dep hiv zua esuapf vjev. Xjev O fitdsocif, xovj muttit evvsocavif vu ni, opfowofaemmz, gus e qisouf xuamf ci qisnottocmi, qsuwofif qsugovt xisi fotvsocavif vu neli aq vji foggisipdi.

4. O xomm ati e timg-fosidvif Suvj, epf jewi vemlif vu tiwisem. Qiptdu, Haofepv, Ipvsatv, Iraovz Vsatv, Tvismoph Vsatv, VNODU. Xomm epz ug vjin howi zua e xsovvip uqopoup gsun e vey evvuspiz sihesfoph vji tvsadvasi ug vji fiem? O jewi eqqmodevoupt emm gommif uav epf siefz vu tipf, katv xeovoph gus vji sohjv fiem vu qsitipv ovtimg!

5. O fu qmep vu veml vu nz uxp duaptim (DQE epf vey evvuspiz xovj e muv ug iyqisoipdi epf xsovit epf midvasit up timg-fosidvif OSEt). Ji ot qsivvz iyqiptowi, epf O vjopl O xomm hiv nusi ceph gus nz cadl xovj jon og O hiv e dmies qodvasi op nz jief ug xjev O xepv vu fu (epf xjev ot qisnottocmi), tu vjev O dep tipf jon nz ofiet op efwepdi epf xjip O hu tii jon xi hu uwis vjuti, epf ati vji voni nusi iggodoipvmz.

6. Tu vji nusi O dep miesp, vji civvis. O jewi sief e capdj up vjot tackidv, cav iwiszupi katv velit ov et e howip vjev vji vey xsovi uggt esi katv gusgiovif, epf O fu puv vjopl vjev ot vji deti. O en vszoph vu gohasi uav jux vu jewi nz deli epf iev ov vuu!
 
>>>3. Et O apfistvepf ov, ep T Dusq deppuv jewi e vsatv et e tjesijumfis, tu O duamf puv hu vjev suavi. Cav ep MMD dep jewi foggisipv dmettit ug nincist (E & C). Qsugovt epf muttit tjuamf ci fotvsocavif eddusfoph vu qisdipvehit ug uxpistjoq, cav vjisi esi tqidoem qsuwotoupt vjev dep hiv zua esuapf vjev. Xjev O fitdsocif, xovj muttit evvsocavif vu ni, opfowofaemmz, gus e qisouf xuamf ci qisnottocmi, qsuwofif qsugovt xisi fotvsocavif vu neli aq vji foggisipdi. <<<

Vji neop uckidvowi gsun xjev O hevjis ot vu jewi vji SUVJ ectusc vji qsugovt xjomi vji opfowofaem ectusct vji muttit.

Og zua hu vjsuahj vjot nadj iggusv vu dsievi e tztvin, vjip zua nohjv et ximm neli ov tu vjev zua dep gusiwis ewuof vey moecomovz et ep opwofowaem.

tu, ep MMD dep ci e tjesijumfis op vji Tac T, pu?

vji MMD dep ci qesvoemmz ci jimf cz e vsatv. Epf vjip miv vjot MMD ectusc vji qsugovt op vji SUVJ.

Epf xovj vjiti hsiev vjuahjvt zua qav jisi up vji gusan, O vjopl gus vji nutv qesv zua'wi emsiefz dsievif e siemmz huuf cmai qsopv ug xjev vu csoph vu vji DQE epf vey evvuspiz....

Ov xuamf qsucecmz ci upmz 1 juast voni gus ep itvevi evvuspiz vu siwoix epf neli sidunnipfevoupt.

metvmz, og zua dsievi vjot tvsadvasi, zua'mm quttocmz xepv vu tiv ov aq tu vjev zua dep ietomz siqiev vji qsuditt epf tewi giit cz noponoboph qsugittoupem duptamvevoupt

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