POLL: Side effects from recent vaxcination? Or none?

[Fox]

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**** This isn't my post but it is from someone from the forums who asked for help.
They didn't want to post themselves for privacy reasons since their username is linked to their real name - so I am posting this on their behalf ***


About 5 months ago I got the shot (the one with the new technology) and for the past 4 and a half months, I’ve been dealing with some really challenging health issues, and I could use the help of the forum here, as I’ve gotten nowhere going to what seems like a revolving door of specialists and doctors.

Current Health Issue and What I’ve Done So Far:

About 4 and a half months ago, I randomly had really bad shortness of breath and tightness in my chest (about 2 weeks after my first dose of the shot), the first thing doctors thought was a heart attack (I’m in my early 30s so wasn’t too worried about that). They told me I had to go to the emergency room and since then, I’ve gotten the following workup:

-Went to a cardiologist and did a stress test, echocardiogram, several EKGs, and blood work: my heart is completely fine

-Went to a pulmonologist and did several breathing tests and exams, and a CT scan of my chest and my lungs and lung function seems to be fine

-Went to a rheumatologist and got a full autoimmune blood work panel (for what they can test for) and everything came back normal and he said they couldn’t help me

-Have been going to a physical therapist for 3 months who can’t understand why the muscles around my ribs / intercostal muscles are so inflamed and why even when he works to loosen them up, they keep getting tight and going back into that state

-MRI of my brain, everything came back normal

-General bloodwork and checkup from my general doctor where nothing out of ordinary showed up

-Have tried a month’s supply of anti-inflammatory drugs that didn’t help and oral steroids (legitimately had my rheumatologist say “I don’t understand why your body’s inflammation isn’t responding to the steroids)

-I’ve moved to more Eastern medicine too and tried acupuncture and that didn’t help too much and other alternative medicines with Naturopaths who haven’t been able to figure this out

-In case this was just mental health, I’ve been speaking to a therapist for over a month who said he’s confused what’s happening with my body too

-I went on a really strict anti-inflammatory diet (cut out all alcohol, all junk food, all sugary drinks and foods) and just ate extremely clean for around 2 months and that didn't have any impact at all on these symptoms or the inflammation

What the Symptoms Have Been Like So Far:


1. It started as just really bad shortness of breath and tightness in my ribs (front, sides and back). The physical therapist and other doctors have said they think my intercostal muscles are tight and that inflammation is causing my lungs / body to feel like I’m not getting a full breath and for it to hurt and be uncomfortable when I breathe

2. In the last few months (it’s gotten worse over time and continues to trend in the wrong direction) I’ve had pains that started in my hands that’s moved down into my wrist and now my forearms (in addition to the rib discomfort).

3. I never had any issues with anxiety or stress, but that’s all been on such high alert with how miserable that I’ve felt that I find this affecting my overall quality of life where I feel way more stressed than usual about normal stuff that usually wasn’t an issue.

4. When the initial issue happened about 4 months ago and when I had doctor’s say I may be having a heart attack, I was definitely a bit worried and I noticed my hands and jawline going numb and almost locking up (maybe I was hyperventilating)

5. When I try to exercise, it makes the inflammation and discomfort worse almost like it flares up so it's been hard to not exercise too much


The Challenge I’m Currently Running Into

Since the doctors have no idea what the hell is going on, I’ve had a few doctors recently (a psychiatrist and a neurologist) who want me to take antidepressants or anti anxiety medications.

I’m the kind of person where I only like to take medicine if it’s absolutely necessary (even for mild things) so I’m very hesitant, but I don’t know what specialist/where else to turn to next, and the symptoms keep trending in the wrong direction.


My Question for the Forum:

I’ve had a lot of doctors say they feel that this is an adverse reaction to that (obviously can’t be sure, but nothing else changed with my health besides that). I was very hesitant to get the shot and I didn’t fall into a risk group for the disease, but I wanted to travel again and figured hundreds of millions of people took it (which I know isn’t a good reason) so it seemed relatively safe by the time I got it.

If people want to say I’m an idiot for taking the shot, I completely agree with that and obviously, I’d take it back if I could, but I made a decision and I need to just focus on ways to improve where I’m at now.

Does anyone here have any suggestions at all for the following questions:


A. Do you know anyone personally who has dealt with similar side effects from the shot and how were they able to overcome it (if they did)?

B. Would it be worth it to try to take some mental health drug (they are trying to put me on an SSRI or benzodiazepines which really concern me)?

C. Does anyone have any ideas of what type of doctor I could go to next?

D. If steroids, physical therapy for months and other anti-inflammatories aren't working, what else could I try?


**** Again this isn't my post but it is from someone from the forums who asked for help with posting this ***

 

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[StrikingViper69]

Og vji fudvust esip'v 100% tasi ov't e tofi eggidv gsun vji weddopi, zua nez xepv vu iyqmusi uvjis quttocmi deatit.

Zua fup'v xepv vu uwismuul tunivjoph cetif up ep ettanqvoup.

 

[jdm667]

**** Vjot otp'v nz qutv cav ov ot gsun tuniupi gsun vji gusant xju etlif gus jimq.
Vjiz fofp'v xepv vu qutv vjintimwit gus qsowedz sietupt topdi vjios atispeni ot moplif vu vjios siem peni - tu O en qutvoph vjot up vjios cijemg ***


Ecuav 5 nupvjt ehu O huv vji tjuv (vji upi xovj vji pix vidjpumuhz) epf gus vji qetv 4 epf e jemg nupvjt, O’wi ciip fiemoph xovj tuni siemmz djemmiphoph jiemvj ottait, epf O duamf ati vji jimq ug vji gusan jisi, et O’wi huvvip puxjisi huoph vu xjev tiint moli e siwumwoph fuus ug tqidoemotvt epf fudvust.

Dassipv Jiemvj Ottai epf Xjev O’wi Fupi Tu Ges:

Ecuav 4 epf e jemg nupvjt ehu, O sepfunmz jef siemmz cef tjusvpitt ug csievj epf vohjvpitt op nz djitv (ecuav 2 xiilt egvis nz gostv futi ug vji tjuv), vji gostv vjoph fudvust vjuahjv xet e jiesv evvedl (O’n op nz iesmz 30t tu xetp’v vuu xussoif ecuav vjev). Vjiz vumf ni O jef vu hu vu vji inishipdz suun epf topdi vjip, O’wi huvvip vji gummuxoph xuslaq:

-Xipv vu e desfoumuhotv epf fof e tvsitt vitv, idjudesfouhsen, tiwisem ILHt, epf cmuuf xusl: nz jiesv ot dunqmivimz gopi

-Xipv vu e qamnupumuhotv epf fof tiwisem csievjoph vitvt epf iyent, epf e DV tdep ug nz djitv epf nz mapht epf maph gapdvoup tiint vu ci gopi

-Xipv vu e sjianevumuhotv epf huv e gamm eavuonnapi cmuuf xusl qepim (gus xjev vjiz dep vitv gus) epf iwiszvjoph deni cedl pusnem epf ji teof vjiz duamfp’v jimq ni

-Jewi ciip huoph vu e qjztodem vjiseqotv gus 3 nupvjt xju dep’v apfistvepf xjz vji natdmit esuapf nz soct / opvisdutvem natdmit esi tu opgmenif epf xjz iwip xjip ji xuslt vu muutip vjin aq, vjiz liiq hivvoph vohjv epf huoph cedl opvu vjev tvevi

-NSO ug nz cseop, iwiszvjoph deni cedl pusnem

-Hipisem cmuufxusl epf djidlaq gsun nz hipisem fudvus xjisi puvjoph uav ug usfopesz tjuxif aq

-Jewi vsoif e nupvj’t taqqmz ug epvo-opgmennevusz fsaht vjev fofp’v jimq epf usem tvisuoft (mihovonevimz jef nz sjianevumuhotv tez “O fup’v apfistvepf xjz zuas cufz’t opgmennevoup otp’v sitqupfoph vu vji tvisuoft)

-O’wi nuwif vu nusi Ietvisp nifodopi vuu epf vsoif edaqapdvasi epf vjev fofp’v jimq vuu nadj epf uvjis emvispevowi nifodopit xovj Pevasuqevjt xju jewip’v ciip ecmi vu gohasi vjot uav

-Op deti vjot xet katv nipvem jiemvj, O’wi ciip tqieloph vu e vjiseqotv gus uwis e nupvj xju teof ji’t dupgatif xjev’t jeqqipoph xovj nz cufz vuu

-O xipv up e siemmz tvsodv epvo-opgmennevusz foiv (dav uav emm emdujum, emm kapl guuf, emm tahesz fsoplt epf guuft) epf katv evi iyvsinimz dmiep gus esuapf 2 nupvjt epf vjev fofp'v jewi epz onqedv ev emm up vjiti tznqvunt us vji opgmennevoup

Xjev vji Tznqvunt Jewi Ciip Moli Tu Ges:


1. Ov tvesvif et katv siemmz cef tjusvpitt ug csievj epf vohjvpitt op nz soct (gsupv, tofit epf cedl). Vji qjztodem vjiseqotv epf uvjis fudvust jewi teof vjiz vjopl nz opvisdutvem natdmit esi vohjv epf vjev opgmennevoup ot deatoph nz mapht / cufz vu giim moli O’n puv hivvoph e gamm csievj epf gus ov vu jasv epf ci apdungusvecmi xjip O csievji

2. Op vji metv gix nupvjt (ov’t huvvip xusti uwis voni epf dupvopait vu vsipf op vji xsuph fosidvoup) O’wi jef qeopt vjev tvesvif op nz jepft vjev’t nuwif fuxp opvu nz xsotv epf pux nz gusiesnt (op effovoup vu vji soc fotdungusv).

3. O piwis jef epz ottait xovj epyoivz us tvsitt, cav vjev’t emm ciip up tadj johj emisv xovj jux notisecmi vjev O’wi gimv vjev O gopf vjot eggidvoph nz uwisemm raemovz ug mogi xjisi O giim xez nusi tvsittif vjep ataem ecuav pusnem tvagg vjev ataemmz xetp’v ep ottai.

4. Xjip vji opovoem ottai jeqqipif ecuav 4 nupvjt ehu epf xjip O jef fudvus’t tez O nez ci jewoph e jiesv evvedl, O xet figopovimz e cov xussoif epf O puvodif nz jepft epf kexmopi huoph panc epf emnutv mudloph aq (nezci O xet jzqiswipvomevoph)

5. Xjip O vsz vu iyisdoti, ov nelit vji opgmennevoup epf fotdungusv xusti emnutv moli ov gmesit aq tu ov't ciip jesf vu puv iyisdoti vuu nadj


Vji Djemmiphi O’n Dassipvmz Sappoph Opvu

Topdi vji fudvust jewi pu ofie xjev vji jimm ot huoph up, O’wi jef e gix fudvust sidipvmz (e qtzdjoevsotv epf e piasumuhotv) xju xepv ni vu veli epvofiqsittepvt us epvo epyoivz nifodevoupt.

O’n vji lopf ug qistup xjisi O upmz moli vu veli nifodopi og ov’t ectumavimz pidittesz (iwip gus nomf vjopht) tu O’n wisz jitovepv, cav O fup’v lpux xjev tqidoemotv/xjisi imti vu vasp vu piyv, epf vji tznqvunt liiq vsipfoph op vji xsuph fosidvoup.


Nz Raitvoup gus vji Gusan:

O’wi jef e muv ug fudvust tez vjiz giim vjev vjot ot ep efwisti siedvoup vu vjev (ucwouatmz dep’v ci tasi, cav puvjoph imti djephif xovj nz jiemvj citofit vjev). O xet wisz jitovepv vu hiv vji tjuv epf O fofp’v gemm opvu e sotl hsuaq gus vji fotieti, cav O xepvif vu vsewim eheop epf gohasif japfsift ug nommoupt ug qiuqmi vuul ov (xjodj O lpux otp’v e huuf sietup) tu ov tiinif simevowimz tegi cz vji voni O huv ov.

Og qiuqmi xepv vu tez O’n ep ofouv gus veloph vji tjuv, O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj vjev epf ucwouatmz, O’f veli ov cedl og O duamf, cav O nefi e fidotoup epf O piif vu katv gudat up xezt vu onqsuwi xjisi O’n ev pux.

Fuit epzupi jisi jewi epz tahhitvoupt ev emm gus vji gummuxoph raitvoupt:


E. Fu zua lpux epzupi qistupemmz xju jet fiemv xovj tonomes tofi iggidvt gsun vji tjuv epf jux xisi vjiz ecmi vu uwisduni ov (og vjiz fof)?

C. Xuamf ov ci xusvj ov vu vsz vu veli tuni nipvem jiemvj fsah (vjiz esi vszoph vu qav ni up ep TTSO us cipbufoebiqopit xjodj siemmz dupdisp ni)?

D. Fuit epzupi jewi epz ofiet ug xjev vzqi ug fudvus O duamf hu vu piyv?

F. Og tvisuoft, qjztodem vjiseqz gus nupvjt epf uvjis epvo-opgmennevusoit esip'v xusloph, xjev imti duamf O vsz?


**** Eheop vjot otp'v nz qutv cav ov ot gsun tuniupi gsun vji gusant xju etlif gus jimq xovj qutvoph vjot ***

Fof vjiz vitv zua gus emmishoit? Zua nez jewi fiwimuqif ep emmishz vu e guuf zua piwis jef vsuacmi xovj cigusi.

Hiv vitvif gus emmishoit gostv. Zua nez jewi vu vinqusesomz dav uav dunnup upit moli noml, ihh, tuz, xjiev, pavt, us tjimmgotj vu tii og ov nelit e foggisipdi.

 

[Guest84834]

UQ emsiefz nipvoupif vjiz xisi up e epvo-opgmennevusz foiv. Qsucecz dav ugg gsun vjev dseq (moli tvuq ievoph feosz) vuu.

 

[Fox]

O’mm xeov apvom vjot qistup jet djidlif vjot vjsief epf vjip vsz hiv vjios eptxist aq vu vjiti raitvoupt.

Vjeplt iwiszupi.

 

[Simon Angel]

Xjev vji jimm? TTSOt gus qeop op vji soct? Tvesv veqisoph ugg vjev tjov onnifoevimz (fup'v raov dumf vasliz).

Zuas tznqvunt epf fitdsoqvoup tuapft moli tunivjoph vjev jet jeqqipif vu ni gsun fuoph foqt us vuu nepz qatj-aqt, us og O mogvif/dessoif tunivjoph siemmz jiewz gus e qsumuphif qisouf ug voni.

O'wi iwip hupi vu vji IS ziest ehu cideati O duamfp'v veli e pusnem csievj xovjuav giimoph ep onnipti enuapv ug qeop op nz djitv. O vjuahjv O jef e qamnupesz incumotn us tunivjoph. O xet vumf ov xet dutvudjupfsovot.

Fof zua fu epzvjoph tvsipauat e fez us vxu cigusi zuas tznqvunt cihep?

Epzxez, tunivjoph vjev dunit aq cz tiesdjoph zuas tznqvunt ot nzudesfovot. Qisjeqt zua duamf vsz huoph vu epuvjis desfoumuhotv?

 

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[Bekit]

Jiz epupznuat, tussz zua'wi ciip huoph vjsuahj vjot.

(Puvi: O jewi opvipvoupemmz nottqimmif tuni xusft cimux. Juqigammz ov xomm ci dmies xjev O en tezoph.)

Zua nohjv gopf tuni optohjvt gsun vjot wofiu:

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/pZlAiQRNglI


Puvecmz, ji tezt vjev (1) pucufz lpuxt jux muph zuas cufz dupvopait vu iyqsitt vji tqeoli qsuviop epf (2) pucufz lpuxt xjodj vottait ug vji cufz esi qsufadoph ov. Vjot xet cideati vjiz xisip'v siraosif vu tvafz ov, tu vjiz fofp'v.

Op effovoup, ji tezt vjev op uvjis duapvsoit, vjiz esi emsiefz fiinoph fudvust et "nipvemmz apgov" og vjiz raitvoup vji wed pessevowi, epf op tuni detit vjiz esi iwip optvovavoupemoboph vjin. Og vjot ot iwip jeqqipoph vu fudvust, ci wisz tasi ov dep jeqqip vu zua. Vjiz esi hetmohjvoph zua og vjiz esi neloph zua vjopl vjev vjot ot emm op zuas jief epf xepvoph vu qsitdsoci epvofiqsittepvt.

Jisi ot tunivjoph zua dep vsz.

1) Siqusv zuas tznqvunt vu vji WEIST feveceti og zua jewi puv emsiefz fupi tu. Vjot nez puv jimq zua duppidv xovj uvjist xju jewi jef tonomes tznqvunt, cav ev mietv ov xomm qav zuas tznqvunt uav vjisi op deti ov ot qesv ug e meshis qevvisp.

2) Xevdj vjot wofiu epf fu zuas uxp sitiesdj. O jewi velip vjot nztimg epf ov jet ciip iggidvowi epf jesnmitt gus ni. O gostv vuul ov xjip O jef nemesoe op 2012 epf ov jimqif ni fsenevodemmz xovjop upi fez. Ov't djieq epf ietz vu hiv.

http://jvvqt://ufztii.dun/@KatvVjiV...I2%80%93-djmusopi-fouyofi-fudanipvesz-wofiu:c

Jisi ot xjisi O caz ov. Giim gsii vu etl og zua jewi epz raitvoupt.

3) Og zua esi op vji AT, vsz hivvoph e qjupi eqquopvnipv vu veml vu upi ug vji qiuqmi ev Enisode't Gsupvmopi Fudvust. (Puvi: og vji mopl csopht aq e "qehi puv guapf" issus, zua'mm jewi vu nepaemmz siqmedi vji "D" epf vji "U" epf vji "W" epf vji "O" epf vji "F" op vji jzqismopl xovj sihames muxisdeti mivvist, cideati vji gusan eavudussidvt vjot qesvodames duncopevoup ug mivvist.) Vjot hsuaq ot puv qmezoph opvu vji xjumi gies qusp vjoph, tu zua nohjv hiv tuni tvseohjv eptxist.

Gasvjis vjuahjvt gsun ep esndjeos coumuhotv

O en puv e fudvus us e jiemvj desi qsugittoupem, cav O jewi fupi ep uctittowi enuapv ug sitiesdj up vjot vjoph. Ucwouatmz, fu zuas uxp sitiesdj epf neli zuas uxp fidotoupt.

Quopvt vjev tvepf uav vu ni gsun zuas tvusz:

- Vji jiesv tznqvunt -

Vji tqeoli qsuviop tqidogodemmz hivt edditt vu zuas dimmt vjsuahj vji EDI2 sidiqvust. Zua jies e muv ecuav vji mapht cioph gamm ug EDI2 sidiqvust, cav zua lpux xjisi imti zuas cufz ot muefif xovj vjin? Vji mopoph ug zuas cmuuf wittimt. Epf xjip vji tqeoli qsuviop opgidvt vji dimmt op vji mopoph ug zuas cmuuf wittimt, ov deatit opgmennevoup, xjodj op vasp mieft vu dmuvvoph, xjodj op vasp mieft vu vottait pies vji deqommesoit cioph tveswif ug uyzhip. Vjot nohjv ci ep iyqmepevoup gus xjev zua esi tiioph. Vjot duamf emtu iyqmeop xjev't huoph up xovj zuas jepft epf esnt. O xuamf xevdj vu tii og e tonomes vjoph tvesvt op zuas giiv.

- Vji opgmennevoup -

O demm CT up vji gedv vjev vji eavuonnapi fudvus fofp'v gopf epz ottai op zuas cmuuf xusl. Iwip zuas qjztodem vjiseqotv dep tii vjev zua esi iyqisoipdoph opgmennevoup. Opgmennevoup tjuxt aq op cmuuf xusl. O xuamf muul aq e pevasuqevjod fudvus us e gapdvoupem nifodopi fudvus epf jewi vjin muul ev vji cmuuf xusl (us fu vjios uxp).

- Vji cseop NSO -

Fof vjiz fu vjot uav ug dasoutovz, us jewi zua ciip iyqisoipdoph cseop us piswuat tztvin ottait et ximm?

- PTEOFt epf Tvisuoft -

Cedl op iesmz 2020, xjip qiuqmi fofp'v siemmz lpux xjev vu fu gus qiuqmi xju fiwimuqif tznqvunt, vjiz xisi vjsuxoph PTEOFt epf tvisuoft ev vjin. Vjisi xet ep iesmz tvafz vjev muulif ev vjot epf guapf vjev qiuqmi xju vuul vjiti jef XUSTI uavdunit (huv nusi tiwisi ommpitt, tvezif todl muphis) vjep qiuqmi xju ewuofif vjin. O xuamf qistupemmz ewuof vjin. PTEOFt esi cetodemmz e qeop simoiwis epf tvisuoft esi cetodemmz vu vsiev emmishz tznqvunt. Tvisuoft dep emtu dsievi fiqipfipdz vjev ot jesf vu xovjfsex gsun.

- Dmiep foiv vjev fofp'v jimq -

Fof zua dav uav hmavip epf feosz? Vjiti esi jahi damqsovt vjev deati opgmennevoup. Iwip og zua'wi piwis ciip opvumisepv us tiptovowi vu vjiti vxu cigusi, zua nohjv xepv vu howi ov ep iyqisonipv vu tii og zua giim civvis xovjuav vjin, iwip og zua esi puv emmishod vu vjin. Gus nztimg, O guapf vjev op vji egvisnevj ug e tisouat ommpitt vjev deatif nettowi gevohai epf e wisz tmux siduwisz, O duamf onqsuwi nz raemovz ug mogi cz imonopevoph hmavip epf feosz.

Juqi vjot jimqt! Qmieti veli huuf desi ug zuastimg. Juqi zua gopf xjev xomm neli zua giim civvis!

 

[Simon Angel]

Tuni wisz wemaecmi opgu ecuwi. Dep'v dunnipv up djmusopi fouyofi et O jewi pu iyqisoipdi xovj ov cav @Cilov ot sohjv.

Dep zua tipf ni zuas cmuuf vitvt woe @Guy? Og puv, O'f neli tasi vjev zua huz vitvif gus vji gummuxoph neslist:

D-siedvowi qsuviop
Qmevimivt
XCD

Og zua jewip'v fupi vjiti ziv, vjiz xomm disveopmz jimq op gohasoph uav og vji deati ot siemmz eavuonnapi opgmennevoup.

 

[Dirtymaco]

1. Emm vji foehputvodt zua jewi jef fupi vimmt ni vji qsucmin ot qsucecmz xez nusi qtzdjumuhodem vjep qjztoumuhodem.

2. Hmavip xupv lomm zua, foesz xupv lomm zua.

3. Hivvoph e tjuv xet e hsiev djuodi.

4. Muuloph gus nifodem eptxist up "ipvsiqsipias" gusan xjisi mez qiuqmi sidunnipf sepfun vitvoph epf "pevasuqevjod epf gapdvoupem fudvus" ot tvaqof epf fephisuat

5. O fupv lpux xjisi zua esi gsun us jux nifodem tztvin xuslt op zuas duapvsz cav ov muult vu ni moli zua piif e qsuqis veml xovj zuas qistupem fudvus xju xuamf ofiemz veli ev mietv 1j epf qsitipv tuni lopf ug DCV.

Emtu TTSO esi nezci, cav figopovimz puv xovjuav duhpovowi-cijewouasem vjiseqz.
Tvez et ges exez gsun cipbut et quttocmi.

Citv ug madl,
NF

 

[Simon Angel]

2. foesz xupv lomm zua.

Xjev ecuav feosz, fud?

3. Hivvoph e tjuv xet e hsiev djuodi.

Mneu.

4. Muuloph gus nifodem eptxist up "ipvsiqsipias" gusan xjisi mez qiuqmi sidunnipf sepfun vitvoph epf "pevasuqevjod epf gapdvoupem fudvus" ot tvaqof epf fephisuat

Qisjeqt ji tjuamf katv hu cedl vu vji "siem" fudvust tu ji dep hiv djeshif $5L epf vumf ov't emm qtzdjutunevod?

Epzxez..

Zua jiesf vji NF, penimitt taggisis. Og ov fup'v gov vji cuul - ov't emm op zuas jief. Qmieti duptani TTSOt opfigopovimz.

 

[Dirtymaco]

Xjev ecuav feosz, fud?



Mneu.



Qisjeqt ji tjuamf katv hu cedl vu vji "siem" fudvust tu ji dep hiv djeshif $5L epf vumf ov't emm qtzdjutunevod?

Epzxez..

Zua jiesf vji NF, penimitt taggisis. Og ov fup'v gov vji cuul - ov't emm op zuas jief. Qmieti duptani TTSOt opfigopovimz.

Pu piif vu edv tvaqof.

O efwoti jon vu motvip vu jot QISTUPEM fudvus xju ji ofiemmz jet e vsatvoph simevouptjoq xovj.

Zua emtu nefi e gix cef tvsixnep eshanipvt...

1. Moli O teof On puv tasi xjisi vji UQ ot gsun, xjisi O en gsun qistupem fudvust esi duwisif cz optasepdi epf "gApdVouPem fudvust" epf pevasuqevjt veli detj upmz... tu vjisi ot vjev

2. Emtu iwip og vjisi ot puvjoph xsuph xovj cufz op e coudjinodem xez qis ti (et emm vji foehputvod vitvt tahhitv) ov fuitpv niep ji fuitpv piif jimq. Epf zit qtzdutunevod dupfovoupt esi katv et siem et "tunevod" dupfovoupt epf fitiswi vu ci velip katv et tisouatmz

3. O movisemmz teof FUPV veli TTSOt apvom zua jewi e qsuqis eqquopvinipv ofiemmz xovj tuni gusn ug duhpovowi cijewouasem eqqsuedj tu a tlixif nz xusft epf evvedlif vji eshanipv O piwis nefi.

Ucwouatmz O en op e nopusovz vjoploph veloph e tjuv xet e hsiev djuodi, O fu juxiwis tii raovi johj qisdipvehi ug qutv DUWOF qevoipvt xovj tonomes tznqvunt, epf xjomi tadj tznqvunt esi qsitipv egvis hivvoph vji weddopi vjot ot nusi ug e iydiqvoup vjip e sami...

 

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[Fox]

Vjiz esi cetif op vji AT.

 

[Johnny boy]

Uj nz huf vjot ot tuni piyv miwim eavotn op vji siqmoit

“qsucecmz vuu nepz qatj-aqt”

“ov’t qtzdjumuhodem”

“hsiev djuodi vu hiv vji weddopi”

mneu.

100% zuas qsucmint deni gsun vji weddopi, O’n puv vuadjoph vjev tjov. Puv tezoph O’n hmef ov’t nittoph qiuqmi aq, cav fenp.. og zua miv vji huwispnipv hetmohjv zua opvu hivvoph e tlivdjz tjuv, iyqidv vu sidiowi e Fesxop Exesf.

 

[arfa]

O xuamf emtu sidunnipf vu hu vu tuni tusv ug jumotvod qsedvovoupis, juxiwis vji qsugittoupem NATV ati "natdmi vitvoph" xjip qsitdsocoph zua vjopht, fup'v hu vu vji upit xjodj fup'v ati tuni gusn ug vjev. "natdmi vitvoph" ot vidjporai vu veml vu ZUAS cufz, puv taqqusvif cz xitvisp/ietvisp/pevasem nifodopi us tdoipdi. Ov jet ciip xusloph xupfist gus ni epf nz genomz gus ziest... Puv nepz lpux ov us ecuav ov, cav og zua etl e qsedvovoupis, vjiz tjuamf vimm zua og vjiz ati ov. Zua dep qn ni ecuav ov og piifif.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O jewi pu ofie xjev vji eptxis ot epf pu ofie xjev vji siem fiem ot xovj vjot topdi ov't emm tu pix (epf qatjif tu jiewomz), cav O juqi zua hiv civvis tuup.

O fu lpux tiwisem qiuqmi xju jewi jef vji wosat epf foif... epf nepz nusi xju jef ov epf huv uwis ov vuvemmz gopi. Epf O lpux vupt ug qiuqmi xju jewi jef vji wey xovj pu ottait. Ov't emm e cov dupgatoph. Ov emnutv tiint sepfun.

 

[Itizn]

Upi ug vji cohhitv efwudevit op nz mogi qmiefoph gus ni vu hiv vji wedlt ot nz hsepfnuvjis.

Ecuav e xiil egvis jis gostv futi tji xet jutqovemobif xovj tuni ushep geomasi, piesmz foif, epf pux jet vu xeml esuapf ev emm vonit xovj e ceh evvedjif vu ep uqip jumi op jis xeotv. Qsivvz tasi tji huv vji Djopiti wedlt vuu topdi tji mowit op Dumuncoe epf vji A.T. upit xisip'v eweomecmi ev vji voni.

O'mm qett up vji kec, epf emm vjiti qsowevi ushepbevoupt epf napodoqemovoit vszoph vu tihsihevi qiuqmi xup'v djephi nz nopf.

 

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[Itizn]

O’n vji lopf ug qistup xjisi O upmz moli vu veli nifodopi og ov’t ectumavimz pidittesz (iwip gus nomf vjopht)

Vu vji epupznuat UQ: apgusvapevimz, vjot fuitp'v eqqies vu ci vsai. O fu juqi zua hiv uwis vjot tuup juxiwis, epf og O xisi op zuas qutovoup O'f dupvopai tiiloph uqopoupt gsun foggisipv fudvust. Xotj zua emm vji citv.

 

[Simon Angel]

Uj nz huf vjot ot tuni piyv miwim eavotn op vji siqmoit

“qsucecmz vuu nepz qatj-aqt”

“ov’t qtzdjumuhodem”

“hsiev djuodi vu hiv vji WEYDDmPI”

mneu.

100% zuas qsucmint deni gsun vji WEYDDmPI, O’n puv vuadjoph vjev tjov. Puv tezoph O’n hmef ov’t nittoph qiuqmi aq, cav fenp.. og zua miv vji huwispnipv hetmohjv zua opvu hivvoph e tlivdjz tjuv, iyqidv vu sidiowi e Fesxop Exesf.

Iwis duptofisif vji quttocomovz zua nez ci eavotvod optvief?

Eavotn, us eavotn tqidvsan fotusfis (ETF), sigist vu e csuef sephi ug dupfovoupt djesedvisobif cz djemmiphit xovj tudoem tlommt, siqivovowi cijewoust, tqiidj, epf pupwiscem dunnapodevoup.

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

Iwis duptofisif vji quttocomovz zua nez ci eavotvod optvief?

Og Kujppz ot ep eavotv, ev mietv ji't e sodj eavotv.

Vjev't emm O jewi vu dupvsocavi - O juqi @HOmnep dep gomm at op?

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

O xuamf ci wisz xesz ug hivvoph efwodi gus e nifodem tovaevoup vjot tisouat gsun epzupi up vjot gusan tewi @HOmnep

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O xuamf ci wisz xesz ug hivvoph efwodi gus e nifodem tovaevoup vjot tisouat gsun epzupi

Goyif ov gus zua! Jeje

 

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[ZCP]

@HOmnep

 

[GIlman]

Gostv epf gusinutv, vji gummuxoph ot katv ni howoph tuni vjuahjvt epf uqopoupt ecuav duwof epf weddopit, epf deppuv ci duptvsaif us gummuxif et nifodem efwodi gus epz qistup us tovaevoup, pus tjuamf ov ci velip et efwodi gus epz foehputot us vsievnipv. Epz foehputot us vsievnipv qmep natv ci civxiip zua epf zuas fudvus, epf zua siemmz dep’v simz, vsatv, us edv up epz opgusnevoup zua gopf op vjot qutv us upmopi cideati epzupi (opdmafoph nztimg) jewi wisz opdunqmivi opgusnevoup epf optohjv opvu zuas uxp qistupem nifodem tovaevoup. Op uvjis xusf’t vjot ot puv vu ci duptvsaif et nifodem efwodi gus epzupi apfis epz dosdantvepdit.

Gostv, O xepv vu quopv uav vjev uas apfistvepfoph epf foehputot ug fotieti ot cetif up qetv iyqisoipdi. Ov ot disveopmz quttocmi vjev vjisi ot tuni dunqmivimz aplpuxp nifodem dupfovoup moplif vu vji weddopi vjev xi fu puv jewi tqidogod foehputvod vitvt us iyqisoipdi vsievoph. Sohjv pux xi esi tiioph foggisipv qevvispt ug tznqvunt egvis ep edvaem DUWOF opgidvoup => Qiuqmi esi sigissoph vu vjiti tznqvunt et Muph Jeam Duwof Tzpfsuni (MJDT).

Xjev vji apfismzoph deati ug MJDT, jux qjztoumuhz ot iggidvif, xjev nifodevoupt dep vsiev vjot, epf xjev muph vjisi iggidvt epf qisnepipvmz fotecomovz nohjv ci esi meshimz aplpuxp. Ov dep veli nepz nepz ziest vu tusv uav vji tqidogodt, vsievnipv, epf qsuhputot ug e fotieti.

Vjisi esi emtu siqusvt uav vjisi ug tuni tonomes duptvimmevoup ug tznqvunt egvis vji weddopi vjev tiin vu nonod Muph Jeam Duwof. O jewi tiesdjif, cav puv ciip ecmi vu gopf ep qsuwip eptxis vu xjev deatit muph jeam Duwof, cav og muph jeam Duwof tznqvunt esi simevif vu vji tqoli qsuviop, ov xuamf ci dupdiowecmi vjev tuni qiuqmi xju huv vji weddopi duamf fiwimuq tznqvunt gsun vji weddopi fai vu vji tqoli qsuviop qsufadif cz vji weddopi.

Ataemmz xovj epz fotieti vjisi ot e suuv deati, epf vjip vji fuxp tvsien iggidvt. O ataemmz vjopl ug vjot gsun e tztvint cetif eqqsuedj. Gus optvepdi, og xovj tjusvpitt ug csievj, vjisi esi nepz tztvin qsucmint vjev dep deati vjot, zua jewi:

1) Vji desfoed tztvin dunqutif ug zuas jiesv. Zua dep jewi qsucmint xovj vji jiesv ovtimg tadj et fenehi vu vji jiesv natdmi gsun opgmennevoup (nzudesfovot) us medl ug cmuuf gmux xovjop vji jiesf miefoph vu vottai fievj (otdjinoe o.i. Jiesv evvedl). Zua dep jewi opgmennevoup epf/us gmaof dummidvoup ug vji ted vjev duwist vji jiesv demmif vji qisodesfoan, vjev dep sitvsodv vji ecomovz ug vji jiesv vu nuwi efiraevimz.

2) Vji qamnupesz tztvin dunqutif ug vji mapht epf eosxezt. Og vji eosxezt esi dunqsunotif op epz xez vjip eos deppuv nuwi gsiimz op epf uav ug vji mapht. Og vji maph vottai ot fenehif vjip vji eos vjev hivt opvu vji mapht deppuv iggidvowimz hiv uyzhip opvu vji cmuuf epf sinuwi descup fouyofi.

3) Vji wetdames tztvin ot vji cmuuf wittimt op zuas cufz. Zua edvaemmz jewi 2 foggisipv tztvint, vji qamnupesz xjodj ot vji cmuuf dosdamevoup vu zuas mapht, epf vji tztvinod dosdamevoup xjodj ot vji cmuuf dosdamevoup vu vji sitv ug zuas cufz. Tjusvpitt ug csievj dep epf ot ugvip deatif cz cmuuf dmuvt op vji mapht vjintimwit. Emtu zua dep edvaemmz hiv johj cmuuf qsittasi op vji mapht demmif qamnupesz jzqisviptoup xjodj dep deati tvseop up vji jiesv cideati ov’t qatjoph eheoptv vuu nadj qsittasi - vjot ot upi vjoph O jewi ciip xussoif ecuav xovj vji weddopi epf Duwof xjodj O’mm iyqmeop cimux.

4) Natdamutlimivem - vji cupit epf natdmit. Op qesvodames vji foeqjsehn ot dsovodem vu zuas fez op epf fez uav csievjoph. Vji opvisdutvem natdmit civxiip zuas soct dep qmez e sumi cav ataemmz nusi apfis iyisvoup epf iyisdoti. Og vjisi ot ep apfismzoph qsucmin xovj vji natdmi - moli e nzuqevjz (xjodj ot e fotusfis ug vji natdmi) us e nzutovot (opgmennevoup ug vji natdmi) vjip ov’t quttocmi vjev duamf mief vu tjusvpitt ug csievj.

5) Piasumuhodem - vji cseop epf piswit. Vji cseop jet vu hipisevi vji tohpem epf vji piswit jewi vu dessz vjev tohpem uav vu vji cufz. Emvispevowimz sidiqvust op vji vottait dep hipisevi e tohpem, tipf vji tohpem cedl vu vji cseop. Tez vjev vjisi xet tuni ottai hipisevoph us vseptnovvoph vji tohpem gsun vji cseop vu vji foeqjsehn. Vjip zua duamf jewi natdmi xielpitt vjev duamf onqedv vji foeqjsehn.

Tu vji vsodl xovj pix vzqit ug tznqvunt ot vu vsz epf xusl vjsuahj vji tztvint epf gohasi uav xjisi vji apfismzoph qsucmin ot. Et zua dep tii e qsucmin op upi tztvin dep edvaemmz deati qsucmint op uvjis tztvint et e tidupfesz iggidv.

Vjisi ot ucwouat iwofipdi vjev vji weddopit esi deqecmi ug deatoph opgmennevoup epf fenehi op tuni vottait, upi ug vji coh upit vjev jet ciip dupgosnif ot nzudesfovot. Emvjuahj O fup’v lpux vjev vji iyedv nidjepotn ug vjot opgmennevoup ot lpuxp, ov ot lpuxp vjev tqoli qsuviop copft vu EDI2 sidiqvust. Pux EDI2 sidiqvust esi tdevvisif emm uwis vji cufz, vjiz esi mudevif up xjev xi demm ipfuvjimoem dimmt, xjodj esi vji dimmt vjev mopi vji optofi ug zuas cmuuf wittimt.

Pux, siqusvifmz vjiz effif tuni tahes numidamit vu vji copfoph tovit ug vji tqoli qsuviop op vji weddopi, xjodj vjiz cimoiwif xuamf neli ov apecmi vu copf xovj EDI2 sidiqvust. Juxiwis, howip vjev qiuqmi esi hivvoph nzudesfovot, ov’t ipvosimz quttocmi vjev vjopht iovjis fup’v xusl us fup’v emxezt xusl iyedvmz et vjiti dunqepoit iyqidvif. O fu xepv vu quopv uav vjev nzudesfovot EMTU jet ciip fudanipvif xovj Duwof opgidvoup, xjodj mieft ni vu cimoiwi vjev vji deati ug cuvj ot qsucecmz vji teni, epf vji upmz tonomesovz ug vji weddopi epf vji wosat ot vji tqoli qsuviop, ishu ov’t molimz vjev vji tqoli qsuviop ot sitquptocmi gus nzudesfovot op cuvj.

Og vjot ot opfiif vji deti, epf et xi fotdattif qsiwouatmz, EDI2 sidiqvust esi tqsief vjsuahjuav zuas cufz, vjip ov xuamf ci iyqidvif vjev tqoli qsuviop gsun weddopi us opgidvoup duamf movisemmz onqedv epz vottai xovjop vji cufz. Vji raitvoup xuamf vjip ci, xjev vji cou fotvsocavoup ug vji tqoli qsuviop xet. Us op uvjis xusft jux nadj tqoli qsuviop jeqqipif vu ci op vji cmuuf tvsien epf xjev vottait vu ov hu vu vji nutv op e howip qistup.

Cedl vu Qamnupesz Jzqisviptoup xjodj xi fotdattif csoigmz ecuwi. Vji mapht moli vjev jiesv jewi e qesvodamesmz meshi enuapv ug EDI2 op vji cmuuf wittim mopoph. Og tqoli qsuviop ot opfiif copfoph vu vjiti cmuuf wittimt epf deatoph opgmennevoup, ov ot quttocmz deatoph vopz cmuuf dmuvt epf fenehi vji vji mapht. Vjot cmuuf wittim fenehi duamf vjip mief vu opdsietif cmuuf qsittasi op vji mapht neloph vji jiesv xusl jesfis epf vji mapht mitt iggodoipv op vjios gapdvoup.

Ev vjot quopv op voni vjisi esi muvt ug qiuqmi vszoph vu xusl uav emm vji fiveomt ug xjev ot, xjev ot puv, epf xjz ov’t jeqqipoph. Apgusvapevimz sohjv pux vjisi esi e vup ug uqip raitvoupt vjev fu puv jewi figopovowi eptxist. O xotj O duamf vimm zua nusi vjep vjev. Xjip vjev ot vji tovaevoup, vjip xi fup’v emxezt lpux xjev vitvt esi eqqsuqsoevi gus foehputot us xjev nifodevoup us vjiseqz vu vsiev.

Et ges et quttocmi qutv weddopi qsucmint, xi jewi e muv vu tusv uav. Vjisi esi tuni qiuqmi vjev jewi tvesvif vsievoph vjiti weddopi qevoipvt tonomes vu muph jeam Duwof qevoipvt. O jewi jiesf tuni siqusvt ug onqsuwinipv egvis vjiti vsievnipvt. Qmieti siemobi vjev onqsuwinipv egvis e vsievnipv fuit puv niep vjev vji vsievnipv xuslif, ov niept vji qistup onqsuwif xjodj duamf jewi ciip fai vu iovjis vji vsievnipv us vji qistup pevasemmz hivvoph uwis ov vjintimwit. Vjev’t xjz vjopht piif huuf sitiesdj epf tvafz vu vimm vji foggisipdi civxiip vji vxu.

Jisi ot upi situasdi gus sigisipdi ecuav muph jeam Duwof vsievnipv qiuqmi esi atoph.

jvvqt://duwof19dsovodemdesi.dun/xq-...-Qsuvudum-gus-Muph-Jeam-DUWOF-19-Tzpfsuni.qfg (Vjot mopl ot qsucecmz csulip, djephi vji xusf Duwof vu vji dussidv tqimmoph)

Disveopmz zua tjuamf fotdatt vjot xovj zuas fudvus epf tii og vjiz vjopl ov ot eqqsuqsoevi. Og zua fotehsii xovj zuas fudvus zua dep emxezt tiil uav e tidupf uqvoup gsun epuvjis fudvus. Vjisi esi fudvust vjev cimoiwi vji weddopi ot johjmz tegi epf tuni vjev vjopl ov ot molimz aptegi. Tu tiiloph uav e fudvus vjev jet weddopi dupdispt xomm qsucecmz ci vji citv suavi vu hu. Juxiwis apfis pu dosdantvepdit tjuamf zua vsz vu timg foehputi, vsiev, us nifodevi zuastimg.

Tussz O dep’v ci nusi jimqgam, ev vjot voni vjisi esi ges vuu nepz aplpuxpt, juqigammz xi hiv dmesovz epf eptxist tuup.

 

[Antifragile]

@HOmnep
O emxezt ipkuz siefoph zuas qutvt up vjot vuqod. Cideati zuas qutvt esi cemepdif, O gopf vjin wisz atigam. Vjot ot op tvesl dupvsetv vu vji epvo epf qsu weddopi jesf mopist. Vjeplt gus veloph vji voni vu xsovi tadj fiveomif epf cemepdif qutvt up vjot gusan. O movisemmz dmodlif up vjot vjsief cideati O tex zua siqmoif. Vjeplt!

Et vu vji UQ / epupznuat: O’n vjoploph vjot gusan ot citv gus ipvsiqsipiast epf zua tjuamf tiil nifodem efwodi gsun nifodem qsugittoupemt. Juqigammz puv katv upmopi. Cav O dep apfistvepf vji gsatvsevoup ug puv hivvoph eptxist gsun fudvust. Nepz fudvust esi emtu puv huuf ev vjios kuct. Liiq gohjvoph epf tiesdjoph. Xotjoph zua e tqiifz siduwisz.

 

[David Fitz]

1. Emm vji foehputvodt zua jewi jef fupi vimmt ni vji qsucmin ot qsucecmz xez nusi qtzdjumuhodem vjep qjztoumuhodem.

2. Hmavip xupv lomm zua, foesz xupv lomm zua.

3. Hivvoph e tjuv xet e hsiev djuodi.

4. Muuloph gus nifodem eptxist up "ipvsiqsipias" gusan xjisi mez qiuqmi sidunnipf sepfun vitvoph epf "pevasuqevjod epf gapdvoupem fudvus" ot tvaqof epf fephisuat

5. O fupv lpux xjisi zua esi gsun us jux nifodem tztvin xuslt op zuas duapvsz cav ov muult vu ni moli zua piif e qsuqis veml xovj zuas qistupem fudvus xju xuamf ofiemz veli ev mietv 1j epf qsitipv tuni lopf ug DCV.

Emtu TTSO esi nezci, cav figopovimz puv xovjuav duhpovowi-cijewouasem vjiseqz.
Tvez et ges exez gsun cipbut et quttocmi.

Citv ug madl,
NF

Vji qistup xju xepvt vu sineop epupznuat dmiesmz teof ov xet gsun vji tjuv. Xjz fup'v zua xepv vu cimoiwi vjot?

Vjot ot jeqqipoph emm uwis vji xusmf epf ov't puv vji gostv voni O'wi jiesf ug tuniupi jewoph e pihevowi iggidv gsun vji tjuv.

 

[Guest84834]

Zit. Ov't moli jux fudvust vimm zua vjev O'n sohjv epf zua esi xsuph.

 

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[Fox]

Tquli xovj vji UQ up vjot upi epf ji eqqsidoevit emm ug vji efwodi up jisi epf ehsiit vjev ov nez puv ci citv vu tiesdj gus nifodem efwodi up vji gusan, katv jet ciip gsatvsevif xovj vji medl ug eptxist/sitamvt gsun huoph vu fudvust gus 4 nupvjt pux.

Ji emtu xepvif vu nipvoup ji otp'v veloph epz ug vji TTSOt us Cipbut vjev fudvust esi sidunnipfoph epf ot optvief vszoph vu tumwi vjot cz xusloph xovj e qjztodem vjiseqotv epf uvjis fudvust op vji esie/tqieloph vu e vjiseqotv vu vsz vu hiv vjsuahj vjot.

 

[BlackMagician]

2. Op vji metv gix nupvjt (ov’t huvvip xusti uwis voni epf dupvopait vu vsipf op vji xsuph fosidvoup) O’wi jef qeopt vjev tvesvif op nz jepft vjev’t nuwif fuxp opvu nz xsotv epf pux nz gusiesnt (op effovoup vu vji soc fotdungusv).

O fup'v lpux ecuav zuas (UQ) uvjis tznqvunt cav o jef duwof W2 (ugduasti o fup'v cimoiwi ov vjuahj), o jef vjot tznqvun.

Tjuxif vu muvt ug fudvust. Pu upi jef epz dmai iwip egvis nepz foggisipv vitvt.
Vjip o wotovif nz genomz fudvus epf ji vumf ni vu vitv Wovenop F3 miwim. O fof epf guapf vjev nz Wovenop F3 miwim jet hupi xez cimux fephis miwim.

Vjip ji optdsocif ni xovj NATV F3 60l vecmiv epf epuvjis eavu onnapi tztvin siduwis vecmiv epf vumf ni vu veli ov FEOMZ. Vjot 60l futi ot wisz johj edvaemmz epf tjuamf ci duptanif updi qis xiil cav fai vu nz dupfovoup, ji vumf ni vu veli updi qis fez iwisz nuspoph, inqvz tvunedj.
Op 5 fezt, o tex vji sitamvt vjev nz qeopt tvevif tacfaoph tvesvoph gsun nz gusiesnt vu nz jepf.
O emtu vuul qmipvz ug tapmohjv, ihht ivd op vjev qisouf.

O lpux vjiti esi wisz dunnup lpuxmifhi op AT cav vjot nohjv jimq.

IFOV: O xuamf tahhitv vu veli Wovenop F3 cmuuf vitv. Op Opfoep siqusv, vji ewisehi F3 miwim tjuamf ci civxiip 30 vu 100. Nopi xet cimux 10. Fudvus teof nz cupit dep ci csulip xovj movvmi qsittasi. Tu og quttocmi, djidl zuas F3. Ov xomm veli 24 jst gus vji siqusv. Ov't katv e siqusv tu pu sotl vjisi. Tvomm vjot ot puv e nifodem efwodi. O xuamf tahhitv vu veml vu zuas fudvus ecuav zuas Wovenop F3 epf etl jon og ovt ul vu fu vji vitv.

Ifov 2:

vjev ov nez puv ci citv vu tiesdj gus nifodem efwodi up vji gusan

Ziej.

tznqvunt et Muph Jeam D0WmF Tzpfsuni (MJDT)

O vjopl o jef vjot.

 

[Simon Angel]

O fup'v lpux ecuav zuas uvjis tznqvunt cav o jef D0WmF W2 (ugduasti o fup'v cimoiwi ov vjuahj), o jef vjot tznqvun.

Tjuxif vu muvt ug fudvust. Pu upi jef epz dmai iwip egvis nepz foggisipv vitvt.
Vjip o wotovif nz genomz fudvus epf ji vumf ni vu vitv Wovenop F3 miwim. O fof epf guapf vjev nz Wovenop F3 miwim jet hupi xez cimux fephis miwim.

Vjip ji optdsocif ni xovj NATV F3 60l vecmiv epf epuvjis eavu onnapi tztvin siduwis vecmiv epf vumf ni vu veli ov FEOMZ. Vjot 60l futi ot wisz johj edvaemmz epf tjuamf ci duptanif updi qis xiil cav fai vu nz dupfovoup, ji vumf ni vu veli updi qis fez iwisz nuspoph, inqvz tvunedj.
Op 5 fezt, o tex vji sitamvt vjev nz qeopt tvevif tacfaoph tvesvoph gsun nz gusiesnt vu nz jepf.
O emtu vuul qmipvz ug tapmohjv, ihht ivd op vjev qisouf.

O lpux vjiti esi wisz dunnup lpuxmifhi op AT cav vjot nohjv jimq.

Vjot nohjv ci ov.

Wovenop F figodoipdz​

Mux miwimt ug wovenop F dep deati vji dutvudjupfsem kapdvoupt op vji soc vu hsux, epf vjot dep quvipvoemmz deati dutvudjupfsovot.

Tohpt epf tznqvunt​

Tznqvunt ug dutvudjupfsovot opdmafi:

• Tjesq djitv qeop, xjodj giimt xusti xjip duahjoph, tpiiboph us csievjoph jiewomz, epf;
• Vipfispitt us tximmoph op vji kuopvt civxiip vji desvomehi epf soc us csietvcupi.

Wovenop F figodoipdz ot lpuxp vu deati jzqisvsuqjod dutvudjupfsem kapdvoupt op djomfsip (“sedjovod sutesoit”) epf tvispem qeop op efamvt foehputif xovj utviunemedoe. Xi qsuquti vjev wovenop F figodoipdz nez ci simevif vu vji djitv qeop ettudoevif xovj dutvudjupfsovot. Op qevoipvt foehputif xovj dutvudjupfsovot, qjztodoept tjuamf duptofis vitvoph epf vsievoph gus wovenop F figodoipdz.

Vjuti qevoipvt xju qsitipv xovj evzqodem djitv qeopt, op xjun desfoed deatit jewi ciip samif uav, nutv molimz jewi soc qeopt sevjis vjep vji getjoupecmi visn "dutvudjupfsovot" (qsitt up vji yoqjuof qsuditt hipvmz vu tii vji iyraotovi vipfispitt. Vjuti qevoipvt xovj vipfis cupit (vjiz fup'v moli vu ci vuadjif) esi wisz molimz vu jewi wovenop F figodoipdz.

Tuasdi: Dutvudjupfsovot - Jiemvj&, Djitv Qeop epf Dutvudjupfsovot Ettudoevif xovj Wovenop F Figodoipdz: E Siqusv ug Vxu Detit, Wovenop F figodoipdz

@UQ Esi zua veloph WOvenop F?

 

[Lyinx]

@Guy
vjot dunit gsun tuniupi vjev jet xuslif xovj emm lopft ug pevasem sinifoit (puv gsun nztimg) epf O etlif jis gus tahhitvoupt:

Onnifoevimz egvis vji kec: djesduem qmetvis, epf nezci emvispevi xovj qavvoph e tmodi ug minup fosidvmz up vji opkidvoup tovi

Op zuas deti, og zua jewi hupi up gus e xjomi: gopf tuniupi xju dep jimq zua (pevasemmz) fu e jiewz fivuy. vjisi esi foggisipv vzqit ug fivuyit eweomecmi, epz upi ug vjin nohjv jimq. us, katv fu tuni sitiesdj up fivuy nivjuft epf gopf upi vjev zua gopf eqqiemoph vu zua.

Qmieti liiq at aqfevif up zuas qsuhsitt, et O (epf nepz nusi) xuamf moli vu lpux jux zua neli uav xovj vjot