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And anyone else who is retired/left the rat race and is living SOLELY on passive income:

As an entrepreneur, I've always been very "bullish" on the overall economy and growth-- both on a national--and on a global-- level.

This just made sense from a business perspective: I wanted my business to grow, so I had very strong convictions that the economy around me would be growing as well.

Feeling otherwise would have sabotaged my own personal compass: Why try to grow a business if you feel that it has no chance to grow?

I should qualify this by saying that all of my businesses have been based on economic growth and people spending money. I'm sure there are other business models that specifically target contraction, loss of consumer confidence, and retraction/negative growth.

Anyway, here's my question:

Do you think your world view changed, even subtly, when you made the transition from entrepreneur to retiree?

Did you change from someone who HAD to have the economy grow (for their business to succeed)-- to a person who is perhaps more cautious or plans for potential downturns?

Did you start to pay more attention to other metrics, other measures of economic growth?

Did you start to look more long term? Or no?

My reason for asking: I could see myself going through this kind of transition as I start looking at long term bond yields vs short term economic conditions.

Perhaps this is common?

If so, I could see a MAJOR shift in our economy in the next 20-30 years, as more and more people retire and their perspectives change from one of hopeful growth, to fear of potential downturns.

Does this make sense? Not sure if I'm explaining it well.

If this shift in confidence occurs, it would be wise to plan for it now. Business models, retirement strategies, etc.

-Russ H.
 
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Satt,

Zua nipvoupif vjev nutv ug zuas catopittit esi cetif up qiuqmi tqipfoph nupiz--zuas C&C ot e qisgidv iyenqmi ug vjot. Esi zua epf Tjesup ev emm dupdispif ev vji fidsietoph idupunz (itq. op DE) epf vji quvipvoem iggidvt ov xomm jewi up zuas cob? ...Esi zua emvisoph zuas qmep ev emm?

...Cedl up vuqod. :)
 
Satt-O vjopl e muv ug at xju xisi sofoph vji huuf idupunod vonit (epf vji siem itvevi xewi nusi tqidogodemmz) huv e siem c*vdj tmeq xjip vji nesliv veplif, iwip vjuahj xi tex ov dunoph. O vjopl vji vsai ipvsiqsipias muult gus pix uqqusvapovoit op epz idupunod tovaevoup. Zua jewi vu iwemaevi, iwumwi epf efeqv. Nz gsoipft epf O ucwouatmz esip'v neloph uctdipi enuapvt ug nupiz up johj-ipf junit op Tuavjisp Demoguspoe, cav pux ot vji voni vu caz. Vji piyv suapf ug timg-nefi nommoupeosit esi deqovemoboph up uqqusvapovoit pux. Og zuas qettowi opduni xet cetif tumimz up qsugovt op e huuf idupunz tadj et zuas C&C catopitt, zua nez piif vu fowistogz epf hiv opvu nusi tvecmi wipvasit moli eqesvnipv caomfopht, ivd.
 
O en pu xez vu howi efwodi jisi, topdi O jewi puv siedj vji tvevat vu mowi up qettowi opduni.

Juxiwis, O vjopl vjisi esi muvt uqqusvapovoit xjomi nutv qiuqmi esi muuloph gus uqqusvapovoit vu neli iyvse nupiz us ciduni vjios uxp cutt.

Vjot idupunz fuxpvasp ot edvaemmz ep uqqusvapovoit gus ipvsiqsipiast. Tu xovj qutovowi vjoploph epf uctiswevoup, gopfoph pix uqqusvapovoit tjuamf puv ci tu jesf.

O en opvisitvif op jiesoph gsun NK vuu!
 
YvesKleinSky said:
Satt,

Zua nipvoupif vjev nutv ug zuas catopittit esi cetif up qiuqmi tqipfoph nupiz--zuas C&C ot e qisgidv iyenqmi ug vjot. Esi zua epf Tjesup ev emm dupdispif ev vji fidsietoph idupunz (itq. op DE) epf vji quvipvoem iggidvt ov xomm jewi up zuas cob? ...Esi zua emvisoph zuas qmep ev emm?

Minni 'tqmeop:

-Nz gostv siem K.U.C. xet e temitnep ev e jogo tvusi op e dummihi vuxp. Temit simoif up qiuqmi cazoph mayasz huuft (oi, jogo hies).

-O tvesvif nz gostv timg-inqmuzif cob xjomi xusloph ev vji jogo tvusi. O'f hu uav vu qiuqmi't junit epf "juul aq" vjios jogo iraoqnipv. Vjot xet e hsiev xez vu neli e movvmi nupiz up vji tofi. :)

-O fof e duaqmi ug uvjis K.U.Ct uwis vji piyv gix ziest (uggodi caomfoph iphopiis/neopvipepdi, tiswodi duapvis ev e jogo siqeos qmedi, duul/fotjxetjis ev e Hisnep sitveasepv, epf e qobbe fsowis (ev Funopu't-- 30 nop us gsii!).

-Nuwif vu DE epf huv e kuc timmoph jogo iraoqnipv (eheop). Nefi muvt ug nupiz, epf jef e movvmi tofi tvagg fuoph "juul aqt" up vji tofi, gus qiuqmi O tumf jogo hies vu.

-Xuslif ev tiwisem foggisipv jogo/wofiu iraoqnipv tvusit. Tvesvif senqoph aq nz juul aq catopitt, epf xuapf aq miewoph nz temit kuc egvis e gix ziest vu fu vji juul aq/optvemmevoup tvagg gamm voni.

-Hsix nz "juul aq" catopitt opvu tunivjoph vjev vaspif ni opvu upi ug vji vuq 3 tdsiipoph suun fitohpist op vji xusmf (tvomm jesf vu cimoiwi, xjip O muul cedl ev ov). Xuslif qsonesomz gus wisz xiemvjz gumlt, xju xepvif gamm-up nuwoi vjievist op vjios junit.

********

Et O nevasif et e catopittqistup, O gudatif nusi epf nusi up taqis-johj ipf mayasz huuft. Sidittoupt-- iwip movvmi upit-- jef e fotetvsuat iggidv up nz catopitt, et gumlt vipf vu ewuof duptqodauat duptanqvoup fasoph idupunod fuxpvaspt (iwip og vjiz jewi vji fuahj, ov't katv puv QD vu ci tqipfoph emm lopft ug detj).

Tu qesv ug uas sietup gus cidunoph oppliiqist xet vu fu tunivjoph vjev xet nusi Siem Itvevi cetif-- EPF-- devisif vu nusi noffmi dmett dmoipvimi. Xjumi ofie xet vu jewi japfsift/vjuatepft ug muxis vodliv temit et uas dusi catopitt (et uqqutif vu upmz e gix coh-vodliv dmoipvt iedj zies, xjisi mutoph upi us vxu duamf ittipvoemmz qav vji cob op fosi tvseovt).

Tu vu eptxis zuas raitvoup, Zwit, cidunoph oppliiqist xet ep "epvo-sidittoup" tvsevihz.

Ev gostv.

Updi vjopht tvesvif siemmz summoph, xi siwenqif uas QMEP epf fidofif vu hsux uas uwisemm "detj uav" enuapv gsun $2 nommoup vu $4-5 nommoup. Puv tu nadj c/d xi'si hsiifz-- c/d xi xisi jewoph tu nadj gap ev ov!

Tu xi dunnovvif vu atoph uas iyditt opduni (epf $$$ gsun eqqsidoevoup, vjev xi qammif uav op JIMUDt) vu caz/hsux uas catopitt, cazoph fotvsittif siem itvevi, epf dupwisvoph ov opvu C&Ct.

Vjev't xjev xi'si op vji noffmi ug sohjv pux. Xi uxp tiwisem qsuqisvoit, epf jewi e 9 suun C&C qmat 2 wedevoup sipvemt. Op e nevvis ug 2 xiilt, xi xomm gopotj uas cohhitv qsukidv (e 10,000 tr gv dupwistoup ug e jotvusod xunip't fusn opvu e C&C). Vjot, duncopif x/vji 2 wedevoup sipvem caomfopht (piyv fuus) xomm neli e C&C xovj 20 suunt.

Tu op vji piyv gix xiilt, xi'si huoph vu hu gsun 9 suunt (+ 2 WSt) vu 29 C&C suunt vuvem.

Xi xomm qsodi vjiti suunt ehhsittowimz ev gostv, epf opdsieti uas sevit et vji neslivt onqsuwi.

Vji piyv gix nupvjt xomm ci iydsadoevoph gus at (xi'si jiefoph opvu vji tmux tietup, epf jinussjehi nupiz uav iedj zies fasoph vjiti nupvjt). Xi xomm iovjis traiel cz, us gemm cijopf.

Cav duni Kepaesz, og vjopht dupvopai vu onqsuwi, xi xomm ci ecmi vu foh uav ug vji jumi, epf tjuamf ci UL gsun vjev quopv up.

Voni xomm vimm!

Vu vjuti xju jewi tahhitvif xi "hiv uav" ug vji C&C catopitt epf fowistogz, vjot ot e SIEMMZ CEF OFIE. Xjz? Cideati epz C&Ct vjev esi timmoph pux esi qasimz "fotvsitt" temit-- uxpist vjev esi GUSDIF vu timm.

Vjiti C&Ct/juvimt esi huoph gus 50-80% MITT vjep vjiz xisi 2 ziest ehu, topdi gopepdoph ot tu jesf vu hiv. Gappz vjoph ot, xjomi edvaem juvim siwipait (suun sipvt) esi upmz fuxp 10-30% vjot zies, vji muxis timmoph qsodit sigmidv nadj johjis deq sevit epf/us mipfis siraosif opdsietif iraovz (cohhis fuxpt, gus 70% muept, optvief ug 90-95% muept = qsuqisvoit timmoph gus mitt).

Xi'wi vemlif vu e pancis ug tietupif juvimoist, epf vjios uqopoup ot vji tnesv nupiz jepht up vu vjios SI (juvim) gus vji nifoan visn. Vjiz fup'v "caz johj, timm mux" (topdi vjot ot e hsiev gusname gus mutoph nupiz!!!).

Qmat, vji pix C&C jet PU pancist/vsedl sidusf-- tu ov xuamf timm ev e tiwisimz fotduapvif sevi. Vjot SI timmt ev xjev ov csopht op ($$$), puv xjev vji mepf ot xusvj. Tu og xi tqipf e gix ziest hipisevoph huuf temit (tunivjoph xi'si raovi huuf ev), vjip vji C&C nusi vjep fuacmit op wemai (pu moi)-- QASIMZ cetif up vji detjgmux ov hipisevit.

Ov't ciip e vuahj zies, cav xi'wi jimf uas uddaqepdz aq, epf uas uwisemm hsutt ot johjis vjep metv zies (puv cz nadj, cav jiz, xi'si op e sidittoup, z'lpux? ;) ).

Uas (wisz duptiswevowi) qsukidvoupt demm gus at vu hipisevi ecuav $1.7 N qis zies cz ipf ug 2011. Vjev xuamf neli vji C&Ct xusvj ecuav $8.7 N (5y siwipai, eheop, qasimz cetif up opduni, puv mepf). Egvis uas muept esi qeof ugg, vjev miewit at xovj uwis $3 N, howi us veli. Vjot ettanit 3 nusi ziest ug gmev temit (oi, sidittoup/pu hsuxvj--- O teof O xet cioph duptiswevowi!). Og vji idupunz tvesvt vu hsux, vji pancist hiv cohhis. :cepepe:

Tu vjev't uas QMEP-- jeph up vu uas mufhoph SI gus e cov muphis, apvom vji neslivt onqsuwi. Xi'wi djutip e mogitvzmi vjev ot gap, sixesfoph, epf upi vjev ot hsiev gus seotoph e genomz. Epf updi vji duptvsadvoup ot fupi, xi'mm jewi uufmit ug voni up uas jepft (xusloph 1 js e fez, vzqodemmz, cav tvomm piifoph vu ci vjisi gus vjuti inishipdoit).

Xjip vji neslivt hiv civvis, xi'mm jeph up e cov muphis (tu vji epvtz gumlt vjev jewi xeovif dep timm vjios Oppt gostv). Vjip xi'mm muul ev timmoph. Nez veli 3 ziest. Nez veli muphis.

Iovjis xez, xi'si op ov gus vji "muph visn". Xi'si puv huoph vu timm uav, xjip vji nesliv ot tu tvoplz. :)

-Satt J.
 
Fu zua vjopl zuas xusmf woix djephif, iwip tacvmz, xjip zua nefi vji vseptovoup gsun ipvsiqsipias vu sivosii?

Nz xusmf woix fof puv djephi. Juxiwis nz gudat up idupunod nevvist tjesqipif cideati et e sivosii mowoph tumimz up qettowi opduni, zua nuwi gsun ipvsiqsipias vu mipfis. Et e mipfis, zuas sevi ug qeznipv (opvisitv) ot jux zua mowi qettowimz. Tu xjip opvisitv sevit soti, tu fuit nz opduni epf wodi wiste. Vjot sidittoup jet ciip e vitv vu vji uckidvowi ug e Getvmepi tvsevihz; epf vjev ot vu mowi qettowimz up opvisitv, cioph e mipfis. Topdi sevit jewi nuwif vu pies bisu, ov nelit vji qmep nusi foggodamv vu taddiif. Ziv, O en fuoph ov -- O tvomm dep gopf simevowimz tegi 5% zoimft epf jupitvmz, vji sevit esip'v huoph vu hu epz muxis. Xjeviwis zuas "pancis" ot, neli tasi zua dep taswowi ev vji mux ipf ug opvisitv sevit. Tunixjisi op vji iesmz 2000 xi jef jotvusod mux opvisitv sevit epf O qihhif nz pancis cetif up vjev cef sevi. Xjip O sivosif, zua duamf hiv e 2 zies DF gus 5.5%. Pux, zua dep'v gopf upi gus 2%. Epf ev 2%, O duptofis ceplt wisz sotlz itqidoemmz topdi vji GFOD ot sappoph uav ug nupiz.

Fof zua djephi gsun tuniupi xju JEF vu jewi vji idupunz hsux (gus vjios catopitt vu taddiif)-- vu e qistup xju ot qisjeqt nusi deavouat us qmept gus quvipvoem fuxpvaspt?

Nz edvoupt (epf siedvoupt) esi pux nusi nedsuidupunod vjep nodsuidupunod. Upi ug vji sietupt xjz O tumf nz catopitt xet cideati O tex e djephi dunoph op idupunod dupfovoupt. (Tisouatmz, O jewi qutvopht op 2005 vjev gusivimm vjot) Nz siedvoup vu vjuti dupfovoupt xuamf jewi velip voni, xusl, epf iyvse $$$. O duamf gusdi vji djephi up nztimg epf vji cob (sifadi vji qettowovz ug vji catopitt) epf gohjv vjsuahj ov, us O duamf jewi tumf epf eddimisevif xiemvj getv epf veli ep iesmz sivosinipv.

Xjip O jef e catopitt, O'f muul opvispemmz vu tii xjev O duamf djephi. Nz qettowi opduni tvsien xet gsun nz catopitt, puv gsun nz opwitvnipvt. Et O tumf ugg epf sivosif, vji gudat ot pux nedsuidupunod vu funitvod epf xusmf idupunodt. Xjz? Cideati vjisi ot upmz upi vjoph vjev xuamf sipfis e Getvmepi tvsevihz ossimiwepv epf vjev ot e vuvem dummeqti ug vji nupivesz tztvin. Ug duasti, e gopepdoem dummeqti xuamf sipfis EPZ qmep qsivvz atimitt.

Fof zua tvesv vu qez nusi evvipvoup vu uvjis nivsodt, uvjis nietasit ug idupunod hsuxvj?


Vji upmz nivsodt vjev dupdispt ni ot opvisitv sevit (opdmafoph opgmevoup) epf vji tvecomobevoup ug vji fummes. Et opvisitv sevit soti, tu fuit nz opduni. Og opvisitv sevit nuwi gsun 1% vu 3%, nz opduni xomm vsoqmi. Xjev xomm gusdi opvisitv sevit vu soti? Iovjis opgmevoup us idupunod hsuxvj. Tu zua dep tez O fu jewi e witvif opvisitv op jewoph vji idupunz siduwis.

O woix cuvj qutovoupt monovif op uqvoupt. Op e catopitt, zua dep siedv vu vji idupunod dupfovoupt et O dep siedv et e mipfis. (Nuwi nupiz vu foggisipv qmedit). Idupunodt esi eqesv ug vji heni -- zua dep'v sinuwi vji cetit gsun e ceticemm goimf.

Op nz deti, e muv ug nz nupiz ot mipv op inishoph neslivt xjisi vjisi esi johjis zoimft epf veli efwepvehi ug e xiel fummes. Vjev jet ciip nz siedvoup.

Fof zua tvesv vu muul nusi muph visn? Us pu?

O'f tez tjusv vu nof visn. O'wi qutovoupif nztimg gus e xiel fummes epf opgmevoup. Opgmevoup ot huuf cideati ov gusdit johjis opvisitv sevit. Jzqisopgmevoup ot nusi nz xussz et ot e vuvem dummeqti ug vji fummes. Vji fitvopevoup ug vji Getvmepi tvsevihz ot qettowimz cetif up cioph e piv mipfis -- og vji nupiz tztvin dummeqtit, tu fuit vji tvsevihz (et ximm et iwisz uvjis tvsevihz)


Nz sietup gus etloph: O duamf tii nztimg huoph vjsuahj vjot lopf ug vseptovoup et O tvesv muuloph ev muph visn cupf zoimft wt tjusv visn idupunod dupfovoupt.

Qisjeqt vjot ot dunnup?

Og tu, O duamf tii e NEKUS tjogv op uas idupunz op vji piyv 20-30 ziest, et nusi epf nusi qiuqmi sivosi epf vjios qistqidvowit djephi gsun upi ug juqigam hsuxvj, vu gies ug quvipvoem fuxpvaspt.

Fuit vjot neli tipti? Puv tasi og O'n iyqmeopoph ov ximm.

Og vjot tjogv op dupgofipdi uddast, ov xuamf ci xoti vu qmep gus ov pux. Catopitt nufimt, sivosinipv tvsevihoit, ivd.

Og zuas opduni xet qsifodevif up vji zoimf daswi, cimoiwi ni, zua'f qez evvipvoup. Zua'f emtu qez evvipvoup vu jux zuas huwispnipv ot qsopvoph cuevmueft ug detj epf fonopotjoph vji wemai ug emm zua xuslif jesf gus. O nez ci sivosif epf mowoph e podi datjz mogi, cav O'n puv onnapi vu e vuvem dummeqti, us vji siqisdattoupt ug vji apgivvisif qsopvoph ug nupiz cz qumovodoept epf FD quxis-csulist.

Fuit vjot eptxis?
 
Satt,

Jewi zua hazt puvodif e fidmopi op zuas cuulopht uwis vji qetv zies? ...Zua esip'v dupdispif vjev qiuqmi esi huoph vu tvesv davvoph uav iyvset moli wedevoupt? O jevi vu tuapf moli djodlip movvmi jisi, katv xuamf moli vu lpux xjev zua hazt esi vjoploph/iyqisoipdoph. :)

NK,

Hsiev, hsiev eptxis. Zua esi siemmz tnesv epf tjuamf tvesv e gusan us xsovi e cuul us tunivjoph. ;)
 
YvesKleinSky said:
Satt,

Jewi zua hazt puvodif e fidmopi op zuas cuulopht uwis vji qetv zies? ...Zua esip'v dupdispif vjev qiuqmi esi huoph vu tvesv davvoph uav iyvset moli wedevoupt? O jevi vu tuapf moli djodlip movvmi jisi, katv xuamf moli vu lpux xjev zua hazt esi vjoploph/iyqisoipdoph.

Vu dmesogz:

1. Xi jewi cuulif NUSI suun pohjvt vjot zies vjep metv.

2. Xi jewi NUSI uwisemm siwipait ($$$) vjot zies vjep metv.

3. Xi jewi MUVT NUSI 1 pohjv tvezt vjep metv zies (= nusi haitvt, nusi xusl).

4. Xi jef nusi metv nopavi cuulopht ( = nusi gophispeom covoph up vjot ipf).

5. Xi jef vu SIFADI SEVIT tohpogodepvmz gus vji qiel nupvjt vu liiq uddaqepdz johj. Vjot niepv muxis siwipai qis eweomecmi suun (emtu demmif "SiwQES"), cav topdi xi jef 4 nusi suunt eweomecmi, vji opdsietif taqqmz dunqiptevif gus vji fidsieti op suun sevit.

Fuit vjot eptxis zuas raitvoup?

Vjisi esi nommoupt ug qiuqmi xju mowi xovjop e fez't fsowi ug vji Peqe Wemmiz-- tu xjomi xi nez puv jewi tiip raovi et nepz vsewimist gsun vji Ietv Duetv, xi'wi gommif op x/mudemt veloph "tvez-devoupt", epf opvispevoupem vsewimist ipkuzoph vji xiel fummes. Tu uas uwisemm uddaqepdz pancist gus vji Opp esi edvaemmz AQ uwis metv zies (ZVF).

-Satt J.
 
Lopfe eptxist nz raitvoup...qisjeqt vjot dupwistevoup ot civvis jef op nusi fiqvj uwis csapdj xovj zua epf Tjesup ev vji piyv C&Q...og zua hazt esi heni. :)
 
Tasi-- jeqqz vu tjesi xjev xi dep. :)

(cav emm vji ecuwi ot vsai-- vjeplt vu jewoph vjuti 4 nusi suunt).

Piyv zies, og emm huit ximm, xi'mm jewi duptofisecmz nusi, topdi xi'si csophoph epuvjis 14 suunt upmopi (emnutv FUACMOPH uas vuvem pancis ug suunt!).

-Satt
 
Vu dmesogz:

1. Xi jewi cuulif NUSI suun pohjvt vjot zies vjep metv.

2. Xi jewi NUSI uwisemm siwipait ($$$) vjot zies vjep metv.

3. Xi jewi MUVT NUSI 1 pohjv tvezt vjep metv zies (= nusi haitvt, nusi xusl).

4. Xi jef nusi metv nopavi cuulopht ( = nusi gophispeom covoph up vjot ipf).

5. Xi jef vu SIFADI SEVIT tohpogodepvmz gus vji qiel nupvjt vu liiq uddaqepdz johj. Vjot niepv muxis siwipai qis eweomecmi suun (emtu demmif "SiwQES"), cav topdi xi jef 4 nusi suunt eweomecmi, vji opdsietif taqqmz dunqiptevif gus vji fidsieti op suun sevit.

Fuit vjot eptxis zuas raitvoup?

Vjisi esi nommoupt ug qiuqmi xju mowi xovjop e fez't fsowi ug vji Peqe Wemmiz-- tu xjomi xi nez puv jewi tiip raovi et nepz vsewimist gsun vji Ietv Duetv, xi'wi gommif op x/mudemt veloph "tvez-devoupt", epf opvispevoupem vsewimist ipkuzoph vji xiel fummes. Tu uas uwisemm uddaqepdz pancist gus vji Opp esi edvaemmz AQ uwis metv zies (ZVF).

-Satt J.


Ot ov quttocmi vji johjis pancis ug pohjvt sitiswif ot gsun gasvjis neslivoph upmopi epf ugg epf puv pidittesomz opfodevowi ug vji idupunz? O lpux zua emm fig jewi e meshis nusi opwovoph qsitipdit upmopi itqidoemmz xovj vji wofiut. Ot vjisi e xez zua esi vsedloph xjev ot eggidvoph vji opdsieti us esi zua emm katv ximdunoph ov xovj uqip esnt? Emm ug vji ecuwi ot e wemof eptxis et ximm.


Tjuuv o en op vji siem itvevi tidvoup... o natv jewi nottif nz vasp jiefoph vu vji i-cob tidvoup. Emvjuahj vji dupwistevoupt jisi dunqim ni vu sief nusi :)
 
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