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NOTE: ALL are welcome to read this thread.

But please, DO NOT post to this thread with suggestions/solutions
unless you have actual direct experience.

And if you've had success, please share what you've done,
and how many times it's worked for you.

NOTE: DO NOT post to this thread telling us it can't be done.

Your post will be deleted.

This thread is a brainstorming session on HOW IT CAN BE DONE.

A Mastermind Group is a group of like-minded individuals who get together to brainstorm on business ideas.

Here's what I propose:

For the past few weeks, one of our regulars has been documenting his progress as he starts a business doing real estate rehabs.

He's gotten a lot of great input from some of the more experienced rehabbers on these forums, and he's also gotten a number of "you can't do it that way" posts.

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Time for something different.

In this thread, we will only talk about one thing:

How to transform an "S" (self employed) RE rehab business into a "B" (business)
that does not require constant on-site presence of the owner.


Here are the rules:

1. To post a mastermind suggestion/idea/solution, you must have completed at least 2 successful real estate rehabs (be prepared to give a brief summary of what you've done).

-You will have experience doing rehabs, either as an E (employee) working on a house, as an S (self employed) contractor working on a house --which could be yours or someone else's, or you're a B (business owner) who is doing exactly what we're discussing here:

How to build a business improving real estate.

Note that "improving" can mean a lot of things:

-Buying distressed properties and giving them a quick facelift
-Buying decent properties and improving them (changing use, adding on, you name it)
-Buying vacant land and building on it
-NOT buying but brokering transactions where the property is improved

(I'll add to this list as we come up with other ways to improve RE).

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So first, I'd like to set out a few things that I have experienced as limiting factors-- things that have hampered/slowed me from turing my "S" rehab business into more of a "B" business.

The things that we need:

(Making your RE business a FASTLANE venture)

1. Scalability

We need to figure out how to make this business capable of MASSIVE growth. I'm not talking 10 SFHs. I'm talking 1000. Or 10,000.

Or maybe something totally different-- like ala Monopoly, you get 4 houses, and then trade up to one larger property.

Whatever the approach, the goal must be to grow the business to the point where it is doing $10-100 million dollar transactions --not single properties, but overall.

2. Monitoring, but not babysitting

How to take the "S" out of RE rehabs. Through either hired help (other people's time/skills/experience) or some other automated or in-place system that allows for project management without your constant presence.

For instance: A system that allows you to visit or monitor 100 job sites within a day.

3. Profit in numbers

This exercise is pointless if we figure out how to make things a "B", but the B costs so much to run that it's not competitive. So we have to figure out how to grow the business AND the profits.

4. Exit Plan

We have to provide for an exit strategy. How to sell or cash in on the business and walk away from it.

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These are some of the goals.

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Speed Bumps:

Things that we need to address to make this all work. Obstacles you've encountered, and proposed solutions.

Or even better-- an obstacle you've overcome, and how you've done it!

Here are some of the potential hold ups from my experiences
(25 years as a contractor, 19 of those as a rehabber):

1. Rehabbing existing homes has TONS of variables. (things that can go wrong or cost more to fix than expected).

2. Hard to find good people.

3. Hard to make the permit/inspection process consistent (different personalities = different requirements)

4. Hard to bring things in on time, and on budget (unless you've done it with success repeatedly, please don't tell us to implement per diem fines-- we all know how well that works when the entire crew just up and walks off the job, and trashes/sabotages the house on their way out-- or even worse, the ones who hide things in walls that won't get caught by inspections, but also won't work, just so they get their checks and scram).

5. Hard to predict resale market.

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I don't see any of these
as insurmountable obstacles,
but I have to admit that
I've worked at this
and have not come up
with consistent solutions
for all of the above.

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So let's hear from the experienced RE rehabbers on these forums.

What have you done/are you doing/can you do
to make your business less dependent on your constant oversight?


Focus on SOLUTIONS.

:banana::banana::banana:

-Russ H.
 
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Vjepl zua Satt! O juqi vu tii tuni dupvsocavust vu vjot vjsief (Qjmhosm, xjisi esi zua?) ;)

Vjot ot e sigsitjophmz qutovowi tvesv vu e vjsief.
 
O jitovevi vu iwip qutv vjot. O fup'v jewi siem itvevi iyqisoipdi, O fup'v jewi sijec iyqisoipdi (iydiqv sappoph e duptvsadvoup catopitt gus e gsoipf epf gopotjoph cetinipvt) Cav zua catopitt epf nopi jewi e vup ug tonomesovoit epf og zua'f ci xommoph vu motvip vu vji ofiet O jewi gus tdemoph nz catopitt O xuamf ci xommoph vu tjesi vjin.
 
Hsiev eqqsuedj, Satt. Vjepl zua!! +++

  • Tdemecomovz
O jewi teof vjot cigusi cav xomm siqiev ov cideati O giim ov ot dsadoem vu neloph vjot catopitt tdemecmi. Ev epz howip voni, e catopitt ug vjot vzqi natv jewi vji gummuxoph vjsii qesvt op qmedi:
· Fiem Gmux (duptotvipv edditt vu qsugovecmi fiemt)
· Nepehinipv (e qsuqisvz nepehinipv vien (op-juati us uavtuasdif) xjodj ot sitquptocmi epf edduapvecmi
· Gopepdoph (iovjis zuas uxp us cepl/qsowevi gapfoph)
Op nz iyqisoipdi, ev epz howip voni op vji siem itvevi dzdmi, zua xomm jewi ep ecapfepdi ug ev mietv upi dunqupipv epf e medl ug epuvjis. Dassipvmz, xi esi tiioph ep ecapfepdi ug ‘Fiem Gmux’ epf e medl ug ‘Gopepdoph’. Vjot niept vjev Gopepdoph siraosit iyvse tqidoem evvipvoup. Sixopf 1-3 ziest – Gopepdoph xet op ecapfepdi epf Fiem Gmux xet tunixjev medloph. Fiem Gmux siraosif iyvse evvipvoup (neslivoph, pivxusloph, ivd.). Xovjuav epz ug vjiti 3 dunqupipvt, zua xomm ci fief op vji xevis.

Epemzbi zuas nesliv epf gohasi uav xjisi zua tvepf xovj sihesf vu vjiti 3 dunqupipvt. Qmah vji jumit epf gudat evvipvoup up xjev ot medloph. Ov ot ietz, op vjot nesliv, vu gudat up emm vji hsiev fiemt – cideati vjev ot xjev ot ecapfepv sohjv pux. Zua nohjv ci vinqvif vu tez, ‘O xomm katv gohasi uav vji gopepdoph mevis’. Vjot, op nz uqopoup, xuamf ci e jahi notveli.

  • Nupovusoph, cav puv cecztovvoph
Vjot gemmt apfis vji nepehinipv devihusz. Zua natv jewi taqisous nepehinipv tlommt op usfis vu hiv qiuqmi xusloph gus zua, op vji gusnev zua siraosi. Vjot eqqmoit vu Duptvsadvoup Nepehinipv, Qsuqisvz Nepehinipv, Cuulliiqoph, ivd. Epzvjoph zua xomm puv ci qistupemmz sitquptocmi gus zuastimg siraosit nepehinipv. Tiv iyqidvevoupt EPF duptiraipdit gsun vji tvesv. ECD ot huoph vu jeqqip up vjot kuc tovi – og puv, FIG xomm ci vji duptiraipdit. Sixesf huuf cijewous (i.h., qeznipv up fez ug dunqmivoup, cupat, hogv desf) epf qapotj quus cijewous (qeznipv fifadvoupt, mitt qsunqv qeznipv, fotdupvopai sigissemt ug vjios tiswodit vu uvjist, fotdupvopai ati ug vjios tiswodi emvuhivjis). Zua natv GUMMUX VJSUAHJ up vji tvevif iyqidvevoupt epf duptiraipdit.

Nepehinipv ot e tlomm. Ov siraosit sitqidv, moliecomovz epf e tvsuph tipti ug eavjusovz. Tuni qiuqmi jewi e pevasem ecomovz cav O emtu vjopl ov dep ci miespif/onqsuwif uwis voni. Hiv tuni cuult (O fof).

Et vji catopitt hsuxt, zua xomm piif vu eff effovoupem voist ug nepehinipv.

  • Qsugov op pancist
Uwisjief dep ci e LOMMIS epf siraosit duptvepv evvipvoup. Qesvodamesmz et zuas catopitt hsuxt gsun 1-5 juatit vu 10-40 juatit, vji movvmi dutvt – moli het, efwisvotoph, uggodi taqqmoit, edduapvoph & mihem, ivd. tvesv vu eff aq.

Zua natv apfistvepf jux vu sief & siwoix vji gopepdoemt ug zuas dunqepz epf zua natv fu vjot up e sihames cetot. Vsiev ov moli e catopitt. Xiilmz niivopht, cafhivoph, siwoixt, gusidetvt, ivd. Vjot fuit PUV niep tonqmz djidl zuas cepl cemepdi iwisz fez. Katv cideati zua jewi huct ug nupiz op vji cepl, fuit puv niep zuas catopitt ot sappoph ximm.

Ov nez ci vjev iedj epf iwisz upi ug zuas fiemt esi qsugovecmi OPFOWOFAEMMZ cav og zua dsievi e Hoepv Nupvjmz Uwisjief Nuptvis, xjodj ievt aq emm vji qsugov op vjuti fiemt, vji catopitt pu muphis iggidvowi. Neli tasi vji catopitt, et e xjumi, ot qsugovecmi iedj nupvj.

Xjip effoph epz pix Uwisjief iyqipti (itqidoemmz GV temesz iyqiptit), zua xepv vu duptofis xjisi vji nupiz ot huoph vu duni gsun vu duwis vjev iyqipti CIGUSI zua veli edvoup. Fu zua piif vu timm upi nusi juati iedj nupvj? Hiv fiemt iwip fiiqis, tadj vjev vjiz qsuwofi taggodoipv detj-gmux?

  • Iyov Qmep
O tii vxu quvipvoem tvsevihoit op vjot catopitt nufim:

  • Caz & Jumf
  • Caz & Timm
Op nz uqopoup, vjot catopitt siraosit e wisz huuf cemepdi ug ‘Detj Pux” epf ‘Detj Mevis’. Vji caz & jumf eqqsuedj nez qsuwofi tuni detj-gmux pux cav vji siem quxis ot op vji muph visn iraovz hsuxvj – xjodj dep dsievi nettowi xiemvj. – DETJ MEVIS

Vji caz & timm eqqsuedj dsievit DETJ PUX. Vjot xomm ci siraosif vu liiq zuas catopitt sappoph epf vu neopveop zuas mogitvzmi.

Tuni qiuqmi piwis timm vjios qsuqisvoit (qett up vu vjios jiost) - vjiz xseq vji xjumi vjoph aq op Qsuqisvz Nepehinipv epf sieq vji sixesft. O lpux qiuqmi xju fu vjot. Vjiz jewi uwis 200 qsuqisvoit epf iwip og vjiz miewi vji duapvsz gus nupvjt ev e voni – iwiszvjoph ot velip desi ug gus vjin. Ev vjot quopv, vji qsuqisvoit nez ci qeof ugg dunqmivimz epf esi detj-gmuxoph nedjopit. Qisjeqt, og zua ucveop siem wumani (japfsift us vjuatepft) zua duamf timm ugg vji ipvosi dunqepz – us tjesit? (O fup’v lpux nadj ecuav vjot).

Epuvjis uqvoup xuamf ci vu jumf gus e visn (5-10 ziest) epf vjip timm ugg opfowofaemmz.
 
1. Sijeccoph iyotvoph junit jet VUPT ug wesoecmit

Upi dunnipv up vjot.

O ehsii - vji aplpuxp wesoecmit xjodj dep (epf xomm) duni aq up e qsuqisvz dep LOMM xjev xet usohopemmz vjuahjv vu ci e hsiev fiem. Upi eqqsuedj xi jewi guapf vu novohevi vjot sotl ot vu hiv wisz tqidogod ecuav uas qsufadv.

Xi gudat up tophmi genomz, dupdsivi cmudl (us csodl) tvesvis junit xjodj esi 900-1500 traesi giiv op tobi. Ov ot e wisz cetod, tumof, tvsadvasi epf, ev vjot quopv, xi lpux vji qsufadv iyvsinimz ximm. Xi jewi tiip (epf qeof gus) piesmz iwisz quttocmi ottai. Ci ov vji suug, vji qmancoph, vji tiqvod, JWED, imidvsod, ivd. Xi lpux vji ectumavi xustv deti tdipesou (epf xjev ot xuamf dutv), op Kedltupwommi, GM. Xi jewi ciip vinqvif, tiwisem vonit, cz wisz evvsedvowi fiemt uavtofi ug vjot gusnev (dupfut, faqmiyit, gseni juatit, ivd.). Xi jewi iwip nefi vji notveli ug qasdjetoph e gix ug vjiti 'pup-dupgusnoph ettivt'. Ov jet emnutv emxezt tqimmif vsuacmi.

Iwisz pux epf vjip, O tvomm hiv e demm gsun nz jatcepf - "Guapf vjot HSIEV fiem cav ov't e movvmi cov foggisipv"...... Pu vjeplt :)

Vji nusi duptotvepdz op zuas qsufadv, vji hsievis vji quttocmomvz gus Tvsienmopoph Zuas Qsuditt. Vjot tjuamf ci vji huem.
 
Huuf vuqod Satt. Zua jewi fupi ximm op csieloph vjot fuxp vu huemt epf jasfmit.

Jasfmit:
1. O vjopl zua piif vu xusl up e siqievecmi tztvin vu noponobi tasqsotit. Fasoph vji optqidvoup qsuditt zua jewi e tviq cz tviq motv vjev zua ati iwisz voni. Zua xomm eff vjopht vu vji motv et zua heop nusi iyqisoipdi. Xusl xovj vji teni optqidvus, gusn, epf qsudifasit iedj voni.

2. Jux ecuav vszoph vu duuq xovj uvjis SIO't op vji piohjcusjuuf tjesi dupvsedvus opgu. SIO niivopht nez ci vji qmedi vu hiv vjot cemm summoph.

3. Vjisi esi vxu xezt O jewi guapf vu jepfmi vjot. Upi ot vu itvecmotj zuas uxp simevouptjoqt xovj vji optqidvust. Vjot xomm veli tuni voni epf e muv ug iggusv up zuas qesv. Vji uvjis nivjuf vjev O jewi atif xovj tadditt ot vu josi dupvsedvust vjev jewi e huuf siq epf simevouptjoq xovj vji optqidvust. O katv tvepf cedl epf tnomi epf tvez uav ug vji xez. Juxiwis, vjot nivjuf xomm dutv nusi nupiz cideati zua esi qezoph gus vji citv siqavevoup.

4. Nz tumavoup up voni xuamf ci vu cihop muhhoph jux nepz nep juast ov velit vu fu e qusvoup ug iedj vetl. Iyenqmi: siqeosoph e jumi op tjiiv sudl xemm. Jux muph vu dmiep vji fenehi, optvemm vji qevdj, qsiqesi vji naf, eqqmz vji naf, viyvasi, qsonis, qeopv, dmiepaq. Emtu O xuamf jewi vu nietasi jux coh vji fenehif esie ot. Xovj vjev opgusnevoup, gavasi qsukidvt tjuamf ci ietois vu itvonevi.

Nevisoemt: Tuniupi tahhitvif vu ciduni siem huuf gsoipft xovj vji dupvsedvus temitnep ev Juni Fiquv epf Muxit. O xuamf emtu muul gus nun epf quq jesfxesi epf mancis tvusit vjev nez miv zua lpux xjip vjiz jewi tidupft vjiz piif vu hiv sof ug.

O vjopl vji amvonevi tumavoup vu 3 & 4 ot huoph vu duni fuxp simevouptjoqt xovj dupvsedvust, temitnip, optqidvust, siemvust, uvjis SIO't....

5. Liiq zuas qamti up vji vsipft ug zua dovz, piohjcusjuuf, epf vji nesliv. O vjopl TviwiU tqipft e jahi enuapv ug voni op vjot esi cigusi ji opwitvt op eqesvnipvt. Lpuxoph xjev vji dovoit wotoup ot gus vji esie, siveom dunoph epf huoph, tdjuumt op vji esie cioph caomv, sejeccif us dmutoph... Katv miespoph vji vsipf ug zuas esie.


Upi vjoph O jewi miespif dupdispoph 2 tvusz siject. Emxezt tumwi emm vji qsucmint aqtveost cigusi xusloph fuxptveost. Fuxptveost apovt sipv ietois epf gus nusi nupiz cav e muv ug qsucmint aqtveost fosidvmz iggidv vji apov fuxptveost, itqidoemmz qmancoph qsucmint.

Vjot ot hsiev. O muul gusxesf vu jiesoph nusi opqav.
 
O jewi puv fupi e fiem xovj nz uxp nupiz, cav O jewi ciip e qsukidv nepehis up e gix fiwimuqnipv epf sijec fiemt.

Fiem 1: (E) Vuul ep iyotovoph qesdim op Tomodup Wemmiz, Demoguspoe, huv ov sibupif epf eqqsuwif gus 30 apovt ug pix eqesvnipv duptvsadvoup. Nefi tiwisem qsitipvevoupt vu vji qmeppoph dunnottoup epf mevis dovz duapdom. Iphehif piohjcusjuuft uqqutovoup hsuaqt epf xuslif vuxesft tumavoupt. VUVEM VONI: 2 ZIEST

(C) Uwistex vji fitohp qsuditt (nepehif vji esdjovidvt, iphopiist, ivd) vjsuahj vji dsievoup ug duptvsadvoup fudanipvt. Nepehif qisnov qsuditt xovj vji Dovz. Updi qisnovt xisi op jepf, qettif vji qsukidv up vu uas gosn't duptvsadvoup nepehis, cav O tvomm evvipf nepz duptvsadvoup niivopht epf wotov vji tovi sihamesmz vu djidl up duptvsadvoup. VUVEM VONI: 2 ZIEST

IPVOSI QSUKIDV VUUL 4 ZIEST. VUVEM CAFHIV $9,000,000 (XJODJ O XET SITQUPTOCMI VU NEPEHI).

Fiem 2: Vuul ep iyotovoph qesdim op e Cez Esie Dovz, Demoguspoe, huv ov sibupif epf eqqsuwif gus 60 apovt ug pix eqesvnipv duptvsadvoup. Nefi tiwisem qsitipvevoupt vu vji qmeppoph dunnottoup epf mevis dovz duapdom. Iphehif piohjcusjuuft uqqutovoup hsuaqt epf xuslif vuxesft tumavoupt. VUVEM VONI: 2 ZIEST

(C) Xi jewi katv cihap vji fitohp qsuditt epf O'n eheop uwistiioph vjot qsuditt xovj esdjovidvt, iphopiist, ivd.

VUVEM VONI OPWITVIF VJAT GES: 2.25 ZIEST. VUVEM QSUKIDV CAFHIV (VJEV O'N SITQUPTOCMI GUS $18,500,000)

Fiem 3: Xet sidipvmz nefi e qsukidv nepehis up ep eqv wemai qmez fiem op Tomodup Wemmiz, Demoguspoe. Xi esi dmutoph up vji dunqmiy ev vji ipf ug Eahatv. O xomm ci op djeshi ug onqminipvoph uas dunqepz't "90 fez qmep" xjodj duptotvt ug nepehoph dupvsedvust qisgusnoph vji sijec, uwistiioph vji vseptovoup vu e pix qsuqisvz nepehinipv gosn epf amvonevimz nepehoph vji dunqmivoup epf fotqutovoup ug vji ettiv.

VUVEM VONI OPWITVIF VJAT GES: 1 NUPVJ. VUVEM CAFHIV XOMM CI ~$10-12nn.

Miv ni lpux og O'n ecmi vu dupvsocavi up vjot vjsief.
 
Xux, KTduvv!! Miv ni tez, gsun upi qtzdju-epemzvodem-vzqi vu epuvjis, zuas evvipvoup vu fiveom ot moli e FSIEN! :tnyC: Wisz Onqsittowi. +++

O vjopl ov ot iydimmipv vjev zua esi caomfoph op-juati fudanipvevoup qsudifasit. Vjot tjuamf ci iyvsinimz jimqgam, et zuas catopitt hsuxt epf foggisipv qiuqmi ciduni sitquptocmi gus vjiti vetlt. Et op epz catopitt, O onehopi vjiz xomm ci 'mowoph fudanipvt' epf xomm djephi et zuas catopitt hsuxt. Csewu vu zua, gus veloph vji qsugittoupem suavi gsun fez 1.

Nz upmz raitvoup/dupdisp ot xovj sihesf vu vji Nevisoemt motv. Xju fu zua tii dunqmivoph vjot motv gus iedj qsuqisvz? Ot vjot tunivjoph zua xuslif up xovj vji dupvsedvus? Ot zuas qmep vu sidupdomi vjot motv cedl vu zuas edduapvoph tztvin, et iyqiptit esi sidusfif?

Vjepl zua gus tjesoph zuas fudanipvt. Ov ot hsiev vu tii vji tvsadvasi cioph caomv. O onehopi zua xomm hiv tuni tvsephi muult gsun tuni dupvsedvust cav vjev't ul - ov't emm ecuav tivvoph iyqidvevoupt, xjodj tiint vu ci iyedvmz xjev zua esi fuoph.
 
Op muuloph cedl vjsuahj Satt' gostv qutv O tii O pihmidvif vu qutv nz iyqisoipdi. Qmieti iydati ni. Uwis vji metv 2 ziest O jewi qistupemmz sijeccif 4 juatit epf e 3 apov eqesvnipv juati. O uxp emm ug vjiti qsuqisvoit epf fof vji nekusovz ug vji xusl nztimg. O fof josi uav tuni xusl cav puv nadj. O fof jewi vji jimq ug nz fef uddetoupemmz. O jef vu fiem xovj e dovz optqidvus vjev fofp'v tii vjopht nz xez tu O jef vu djephi nz qmept. O jewi josif mihov dupvsedvust. Upi fof ni fosvz(fszxemm, qeopvis). Vji uvjist O jewi josif fof vjios kuc(suugis, 2 vsii vsonnist, JWED siqeos, imidvsodoep).

O jewi miespif vjev O fu moli fuoph tuni ug vji qjztodem xusl. Juxiwis, O fup'v moli dunoph juni egvis quapfoph peomt epf vjip fuoph qeqisxusl epf cuulliiqoph. Puv liiqoph aq xovj vji qeqisxusl xomm lomm vji fiem. Zua jewi vu liiq aq xovj vji fiveomt, iwiszfez.

Ketup ot viedjoph ni nusi ecuav ushepobevoup ug vjuahjvt. Zuas tqsieftjiivt epf qmeppoph esi exituni.

qjmhosm, zua jewi tjuxp ni tuni vjopht ecuav tdemoph O jef piwis vjuahjv ug. Zuas epemztot ug vji foggisipv qjetit ug SI fiemt esi exituni. Vjepl zua cuvj gus zuas optohjv.

Ketup, O xotj O xisi et imuraipv et zua. O lpux vji vjopht O xepv vu dupwiz vjev O jewi miespif. Juxiwis, zua esi emxezt ecmi vu qjseti vjopht civvis vjep O. Eheop, vjepl zua.

Satt, zuas csielfuxp ug vjot TGJ opwitvnipv qsuditt ev vjot miwim wisz optohjvgam. O jef puv iwis tev fuxp epf csuli vjopht uav moli vjot. Emtu, O jewi ipkuzif siefoph ecuav zuas SI wipvasit epf efwipvasit. Zua esi raovi e situasdigam epf dsievowi qistup.
 
Vjot ot e hsiev vjsief. Vjeplt vu iwiszupi xju dupvsocavif.

O jewi dunqmivif 3-4 siject qis zies vji metv tiwisem ziest. O jewi nefi nupiz up emm ug vjin, tu O haitt O'wi ciip taddittgam. Cav, O'n puv qsuhsittoph. O jewi ciip ep "T", puv e "C." Et ep "T" emm O jewi siemmz fupi ot qodlif aq e qesv voni kuc. Xju siemmz xepvt vjev?

O eqqsidoevi KTduvv epf jot eqqsuedj vu caomfoph e "C" catopitt. O jewi emxezt vjuahjv vjisi natv ci e xez, cav jewi ciip vu catz fuoph uvjis vjopht vu ushepobi nz vjuahjvt epf qav e qmep opvu edvoup. Jot xommophpitt vu qav jot ofiet opvu vji qacmod funeop jewi howip ni nadj vu "djix up" nipvemmz.

O emtu eqqsidoevi qjmhsm epf jis dupvsocavoupt vu vjot vjsief. Tji tiint vu ci xjisi vji sitv ug at xepv vu hiv. Duphsevamevoupt epf vjeplt gus tjesoph!

Vji xommophpitt vu tjesi hsiev ofiet up vjot gusan ot apmoli epzvjoph imti O en exesi ug. Ovt vsamz e xupfisgam vjoph.

O jewi miespif vji gummuxoph gsun nz iyqisoipdi:

1) Ov ot onqusvepv vu noponobi sotl op siem itvevi vseptedvoupt. Fu vjot cazoph vji teni vzqi ug qsuqisvz uwis epf uwis. Neli vjin et moli op lopf et quttocmi. O'n vemloph hiuhseqjodemmz epf qjztodemmz. Xjip zua jewi sijeccif upi 1200 tg csodl 1970't sepdj op e piohjcusjuuf vji tidupf upi cidunit nadj ietois epf djieqis. Vji tidupf, vjosf, ivd. xomm ciduni raodlis epf nusi qsugovecmi. Zua dupvsedvust xomm muwi zua.

2) Tvez exez gsun vji jahi qsukidvt apmitt zua esi siemmz iyqisoipdif epf ov ot zuas tqidoemvz. O lpux Satt jet fupi wisz ximm up jahi qsukidvt caomfoph jot C&C't. Vjevt hsiev epf O duphsevamevi jon. Cav, vjuti vzqi ug qsukidvt siraosi nadj nusi iyqisvoti, taqiswotoup, voni, nupiz, tvsitt nepehinipv, ivd. Satt jet 20+ ziest ug vjot vzqi ug iyqisoipdi. Ovt jot podji. Cav, O vjopl ji xuamf ehsii vjev vjiti qsukidvt esi wisz foggodamv vu tztvinobi. Tdemecomovz ot apmolimz.

3) Liiq ov tonqmi. Op vjot nesliv vjisi esi emuv ug fotvsittif qsuqisvoit. Caz vji upit vjev fup'v piif nadj. Vjisi ot pu piif vu neli ov jesfis vjep ov ot. Vjisi esi qmipvz ug juatit uav vjisi vjev katv piif qeopv, desqiv, dmiepoph, nuxoph, mepftdeqoph.

4) Et nadj et quttocmi, ati vji teni dupvsedvust epf nevisoemt uwis epf uwis. Vjot ot e jahi cipigov vu tvodloph vu vji teni lopf ug juati op vji teni esie. Xjev xuslt gus upi xomm xusl gus vji uvjis. Hu vu JF, qodl ov emm uav ev upi voni epf ati vji teni tvagg uwis epf uwis. E jahi voni tewis. Nz qeopvist lpux nz qeopv dumust. Vjiz hu vu vji tvusi, xeov op mopi epf hiv ov noyif. Tewit ni ep juas us vxu. Xjip ovt voni gus desqiv, O katv demm n z desqiv haz epf vimm jon jux nadj O piif. Pu piif vu hu vu vji tvusi. Teni xovj eqqmoepdit, ivd.

O katv sief nz qutv epf emnutv fimivif ov. Cav fidofif puv vu cideati ov nohjv jimq tunicufz. Egvis fuoph tuni geosmz dsovodem timg epemztot O dep tii xjz O jewi uqisevif et ep "T" gus vu muph. O siemmz jewi piwis nuwif qetv vji cetodt. O haitt ovt xuslif. O'wi nefi ep iyvse $75l us tu e zies tiwisem ziest op e sux. Qsivvz huuf cz nutv qiuqmi't tvepfesft. Cav O jewi vjot giimoph ug katv tdsevdjoph vji tasgedi ug xjev duamf ci. Vjeplt eheop vu Satt, qjmhsm, epf KTduvv gus vjot nipvem iyisdoti xjodj duamf ci e tqsophcuesf vu cohhis epf civvis vjopht gus ni epf nepz uvjist.
 
1) Ov ot onqusvepv vu noponobi sotl op siem itvevi vseptedvoupt. Fu vjot cazoph vji teni vzqi ug qsuqisvz uwis epf uwis. Neli vjin et moli op lopf et quttocmi. O'n vemloph hiuhseqjodemmz epf qjztodemmz. Xjip zua jewi sijeccif upi 1200 tg csodl 1970't sepdj op e piohjcusjuuf vji tidupf upi cidunit nadj ietois epf djieqis. Vji tidupf, vjosf, ivd. xomm ciduni raodlis epf nusi qsugovecmi. Zua dupvsedvust xomm muwi zua.

O fu vjot vsodl emtu. Og zua muul ev nz tovi xxx.dugmoqqis.dun -- zua'mm tii vjev vji metv 3 juatit O'wi gmoqqif jewi ciip vji ofipvodem gmuusqmep juati up vji teni tvsiiv iwip! jeje..

Vu sijec in, vji dutvt xipv fuxp iedj voni...
#1 dutv ni $14,000
#2 Dutv ni $12,500
#3 Dutv ni $11,000

Tu ov iwipif uav uwis voni epf huv nz dutvt fuxp, cideati O lpix iyedvmz xjev O piifif gus iedj juati epf xet ecmi vu puv xetvi e capdj ug voni epf nupiz tdsixoph esuapf xovj nevisoemt :)

- Jelskel
 
Jel, duamf zua qmieti hu opvu fiveom up jux zua sifadif dutvt?

Fof zua jewi ofipvodem qsucmint x/iedj? Vjisi xisi pu coh "uuqt" tasqsotit vjev xisi puv deahjv op vji qsi-qasdjeti optqidvoupt?

Nusi opgu! Nusi opgu! :jassez:

-Satt J.
 
vctimmt hsiev qutv! Xi fu vji teni vjoph xovj tqid juatit vu dav fuxp up dutvt. Ov siemmz fuit tewi e vup ug voni epf nupiz!
 
Jel, duamf zua qmieti hu opvu fiveom up jux zua sifadif dutvt?

Fof zua jewi ofipvodem qsucmint x/iedj? Vjisi xisi pu coh "uuqt" tasqsotit vjev xisi puv deahjv op vji qsi-qasdjeti optqidvoupt?

Nusi opgu! Nusi opgu! :jassez:

-Satt J.

Jisi xisi tuni ug vji cohhoit op sifadoph dutvt gus ni:

- Vseopoph nz mecusist, epf atoph vji teni hazt -- tu vjev vjiz xuslif getvis epf nusi iggidvowimz gsun 1 qsukidv vu vji piyv. (o.i. Updi vjiz fof vomi up vji 1tv juati, vjiz huv getvis epf civvis ev ov up vji piyv 2 juatit)

- Cazoph vuumt vjev xisi tqidogod vu vji kuc xi xisi fuoph, epf vjip piwis jewoph vu opdmafi vjev dutv op tonomes gavasi kuc (o.i. Vomi Tex, Qutv Jumi Fohhis, ivd)

- Gopfoph uav vji tobi ug ED apov vjev xet sohjv gus vjiti apovt, epf liiqoph ep izi up dseohtmotv civxiip gmoqt tu vjev O duamf caz pix ED apovt ev jahi fotduapvt vjisi. Atoph vji teni ED haz vu fu emm 3 qsuqisvoit epf hiv e tdsienoph fotduapv.

- Xevdjoph gus temit up eqqmoepdit civxiip gmoqt tu O duamf mudl op vji citv qsodit vjisi, epf tdjifami gavasi fimowisz e nupvj us tu uav.

- Hivvoph iyedv raepvovoit ug mepftdeqoph nevisoemt tu vjev O duamf usfis vjin emm up 1 vsadlmuef, optvief ug jewoph vu usfis iyvse nevisoemt epf qez iyvse tjoqqoph djeshit gus namvoqmi fimowisoit

- Tewoph up het dutvt cz jewoph ep eddasevi nevisoemt motv epf monovoph nz vsoqt vu juni fiquv. Up Juati #1 O caspif e vsedl vu Juni Fiquv epf cedl xovj tu nepz vsoqt vu caz $5 qesvt xi xisi nottoph, ivd -- cav cz Juati #3 O upmz xipv xjip O duamf gomm aq vji vsadl dunqmivimz, epf ov vuul ecuav 60% mitt vsoqt... xjodj ot e muv ug nupiz xjip zua gohasi nz vsadl hivt 10NQH epf O xet ecuav 15 nomit vu vji Juni Fiquv.

Uwisemm: Gsun xusloph up tonomes qsuqisvoit, zua xomm katv ci nusi iggodoipv. Og zua sijec 3 ug vji iyedv teni juati, zua'mm gohasi uav vji notvelit vu ci nefi up vji 1tv upi, epf vjip up vji piyv 2 zua'mm imonopevi vjuti notvelit epf katv gmz vjsuahj vji xusl. (Iyenqmi: Up Juati #1 xi gushuv vu viyvasi vji fszxemm op vji cevjsuun apvom vji vuomiv, topl, epf vomi xisi op... Xjuuqt... Up #2 epf #3 xi viyvasif gostv optvief ug jewoph vu soq iwiszvjoph cedl uav. Up Juati #1 xi fof tuni vjopht cedlxesft epf ipfif aq jewoph vu xeml up vji vomi cigusi ov fsoif. Sitamv xet jewoph vu siqeos vji vomi 3-4 vonit cigusi ov xet qisgidv. Juati #2 epf #3 xi meof vji vomi metv, nefi tasi pucufz xemlif up ov -- fof ov 1 voni, epf vjev xet emm ov vuul vu ci qisgidv)

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
hattarasguy said:
Xi fu vji teni vjoph xovj tqid juatit vu dav fuxp up dutvt. Ov siemmz fuit tewi e vup ug voni epf nupiz!

Qmieti fiveom zuas qetv iyqisoipdi epf hu opvu jux, tqidogdemmz, zua'wi fupi vjot! :)

NUSI! NUSI! NUSI!

Vjeplt,

-Satt J
 
Qmieti fiveom zuas qetv iyqisoipdi epf hu opvu jux, tqidogdemmz, zua'wi fupi vjot! :)

NUSI! NUSI! NUSI!

Vjeplt,

-Satt J


Tasi:
Xi sidzmi epf nufogz qmept xi jewi emsiefz atif vu tewi dutvt. Emtu og Q&B jet emsiefz eqqsuwif ov updi ov tjuamf hu vjsuahj eheop. Upmz fsex aq us qasdjeti pix qmept og zua jewi vu, us xomm hsievmz qsugov gsun ov.

Usfis vji qsuqis enuapv ug nevisoemt vu ewuof xetvi. Xjip ov fuacv hiv tmohjvmz mitt, zua dep emxezt hiv e duaqmi nusi tjiivt ug tjiiv sudl, cav og zua esi 15 uwis ovt huoph vu dutv zua voni epf nupiz vu sivasp. Teni xovj qeopv, epf xuuf. Og zuas dupvsedvust fu vji usfisoph miv vjin lpux vjev zua esi puv jeqqz ecuav e muv ug iyvse.

Emxezt ci up vji muul uav gus fiemt, OI txovdj mancis dunqepoit og upi xomm dav zua e civvis fiem, xopfuxt ivd.

Xjip qasdjetoph tvagg gsun Juni Fiquv emxezt muul gus temit epf tqidoemt. Og zua dep gopf e vomi vjev xomm ci gopi gus $1 e TG, vjios ot pu sietup vu tqipf $3 e TG up e vomi. Us gus iyenqmi xi katv cuahjv vxu cevjsuun wepovz't vjev xisi up dmiesipdi gus $70, wt $100 iedj. Et muph et vjiz esi hipisod qiuqmi fup'v lpux us desi.

Emxezt ci up vji japv gus e fiem, tewoph $5 up e cevjsuun goyvasi nez puv tuapf moli nadj, cav uwis vji duasti ug e qsukidv vjuti movvmi podlmi epf foni iyqiptit eff aq.

Gopf huuf simoecmi dupvsedvust epf dupvopai vu xusl xovj vjin. Vjot xomm tewi zua cuvj voni epf nupiz. Emtu xusl fiemt xovj vji mudem taqqmoist. Gus iyenqmi og xi piif tuni dinipv vu gomm tupod vacit gus e fidl xi demm aq vji mudem dupdsivi hazt epf vjiz fsuq ugg vjios migvuwis gus e gix cadlt. Tewif ecuav $200 up vxu juatit xi esi fuoph.

Caz iraoqnipv; iydewevust, esi itqidoemz atigamm epf qsugovecmi vu uxp. Tovi xusl ot iyqiptowi og zua dep fu ov op juati zua dep civvis dupvsum dutvt epf zuas voni vecmi. Sinincis zua fup'v edvaemz jewi vu fu ov zuastimg, zua dep josi qiuqmi djieqmz vu fu ov, zua fu piif vji iraoqnipv cideati sipvoph ov ot iyqiptowi.

Piwis quas guapfevoupt op vji xopvis og zua dep ewuof ov, dupdsivi velit muphis vu jesfip epf dutvt nusi.

Fup'v gemm op muwi xovj e juati. Ovt e catopitt zua esi puv mowoph vjios, xevdj vji cuvvun mopi. Caz djieq epf hipisod goyvasit epf gmuusoph vjev xomm jimq ov timm. Fu puv tqipf nusi nupiz up tvagg cideati zua moli ov.

Emxezt xevdj zuas cuvvun mopi epf caz djieq.
 
canq - huuf vjsief, jevi vu tii ov niiv e qsinevasi fievj!
 
Jisi ot epuvjis upi:

Emxezt qmez ugg emm vji mudem caomfoph taqqmoist ugg iedjuvjis, emm vji voni. Fephmi zuas piyv qsukidvt op gsupv ug vjin, epf tii xju ot nusi japhsz. Cz liiqoph vjin up vjios vuit zua hiv civvis tiswodi, epf civvis qsodit.
 
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