Scientist - How do I get out of the slowlane while still doing what I love?

[4symmetry]

Hi all,


so I read TMF and almost finished Unscripted (Audiobook), but I need a bit of advice on how to get started.
First of all, a short intro: I'm a 28-year old trained PhD-level scientist in biomedical research, currently on a Postdoc contract, in Germany.
While I love what I do and hope that it will someday contribute value, I'm extremely frustrated by my future perspectives. I want to keep doing research and contributing using my highly trained skill set... I really don't want to throw that away, and also, it's so much fun! Some stats @future:

• Good: only 20% of all PhDs in bio stay in academia.
• Bad: only 5% of all PhDs go on to get a fixed position.

A fixed position in academia is really the only scripted(!) way to do what I love doing, while not being on a short-term contract. (Pharma research: more limitations, less freedom, plus pantsuits ).
While I do mind the competition, that won't keep me from trying. My real issue is: even if I win, there's no way I can get to financial freedom on a group leader/professor salary. And for me, financial freedom is a MUST!

So now I'm torn: I want to keep on doing biomedical research, and not throw that skill set away, but I also don't wanna be stuck in the slowlane forever (and it's not even sure I'd make it there)!!!


For those interested in more context, HERE Introduction - Scientist tired of trading time for money is my intro thread.

Also, why I want to keep doing research and love it so much:
It's not your regular slowlane job.

• There's a need, and so our reserach area gets funded well and I'm contributing something valuable to society. Something not everyone can do at this level, as:
• There's a high entry barrier, see doctors, lawyers, etc. I feel like if I'm privileged enough to have the education to contribute something at this "high" (barrier-wise) of a level, it's an ethical mandate.
• I have lots of autonomy on how I work, on the daily, weekly and monthly scale. However, this doesn't quite qualify for control.

This leads me to the drawbacks:

• I don't have control over my external circumstances. I'm dependent on my bosses' funding right now, government funding policies, awards, grants, fellowships... and what I may actually do science-wise is still regulated quite a bit and constricted to the project I work on. However, that would also be the case in my entrepreneurial project, right? So mainly the money part. Also, I have very low control of whether I'll be able to secure a fixed position. But even if I do, there's...
• ...the problem of scale. Best case, I can make it to institute head someday. But the odds are horrible. And even then, your income is limited.
• Moreover, right now leading right up to that coveted fixed position, you are ALWAYS trading time for money, directly. Even our institute head has to work horrible hours to get ahead, all the time. I don't mind working hard - I mind having to do it, or perishing.

Now, my questions:

1. Can you/have any of you started their business on the side while still working your job? I don't want to cancel my contract for now, the project I'm on is super exciting and may help create a gender-specific treatment. Also, canceling would make me look pretty bad if I want to/have to stay in academia. MJ talks about full commitment though... Monogamy... Is there away to have both?
2. Does anyone have experience with the German regulations on "side hustling"? As far as I understand it, my contract makes it mandatory to alert your boss if you earn money on the side. There are more regulations and they scare me. I need to get that shit outta the way before I start because I can feel it subconsciously holding me back and stopping me from executing, since my brain isn't fully convinced it will work and is scared I'll die in prison.
3. Do you guys and gals have any idea for a valuable entrepreneurial project that I can start without throwing my PhD-level science skills away? I'd love to make it something sciency, but don't know what to do/how to do that without funding and I'd like to avoid external funding, at least at first. Biomedical research itself is super expensive though - my cell culture costs alone run in the 4 figures category, per week. So maybe something science-associated? Something that would help scientists?

Sorry for the long post... any help and ideas/feedback are appreciated.

 

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[jpanarra]

Jimmu eheop,

Vji ipvsiqsaipis nopftiv ot e dunqmivimz foggisipv qistqidvowi up vji xusmf. Iwip vji xez zua xusfif zuas jiefis tuapft moli e duptanis...

"Jux fu O hiv uav ug vji tmuxmepi xjomi tvomm fuoph xjev O muwi?"

Zua'si etloph qiuqmi vu howi zua opgusnevoup epf wemai xovj pu dmies opfodevoup jux zua xomm sivasp vji gewus.

Cioph e taddittgam ipvsiqsipias ot huoph uav epf tiioph qsucmint epf tumwoph vjin gus vji teli ug jimqoph uvjist. Vjot xomm howi qiuqmi qisdiowif wemai ug zuas tlommt epf vjot xomm fsex vjin vu zua, vjip zua dep tvesv vjoploph ecuav etloph gus jimq epf iwipvaemmz $$.

Tu, vu eptxis zuas raitvoup.. Vjopl ecuav jux vu jimq uvjist, vjip edvaemmz jimq vjin... egvis zua'wi fupi vjot nezci zua dep etl gus $ op sivasp gus zuas tiswodit/qsufadvt.

 

[4symmetry]

Jiz @kqepesse, vjeplt gus vji siqmz (eheop)

Gostv, uav ug dasoutovz: jux xuamf zua jewi xusfif nz jiefoph et ep ipvsiqsipias?

Tidupf: Nezci vjisi‘t e notapfistvepfoph. O jewi e motv ug ecuav 20 ofiet cz pux. Tuni cohhis, tuni tnemmis. Emm cetif up qisdiowif qsucmint epf piift
O‘n katv jitovevi vu iwip veli vji piyv tviq cideati O fup‘v xepv vu howi aq tdoipdi... epf vjev’t xjisi O‘n tvadl ev.

 

[NaPal]

Ov tuapft moli zua piif vu neli e fidotoup; tmuxmepi us getvmepi?

1. O'wi jef nepz taddittgam geomasit vu fevi epf O en dassipvmz xusloph up vji pix hoh xjodj ot muuloph qsunotoph, cav en pu niept dmuti vu gopepdoem gsiifun.
2. O'n op vji AT, dep'v dunnipv.
3. Fu zua jewi e deti ug tapl dutv gemmedz? Vji vsavj ot, zuas QjF fuitp'v nevvis. Muul gus e piif epf qsuwofi nettowi wemai.

 

[jpanarra]

Jiz @kqepesse, vjeplt gus vji siqmz (eheop)

Gostv, uav ug dasoutovz: jux xuamf zua jewi xusfif nz jiefoph et ep ipvsiqsipias?

Tidupf: Nezci vjisi‘t e notapfistvepfoph. O jewi e motv ug ecuav 20 ofiet cz pux. Tuni cohhis, tuni tnemmis. Emm cetif up qisdiowif qsucmint epf piift
O‘n katv jitovevi vu iwip veli vji piyv tviq cideati O fup‘v xepv vu howi aq tdoipdi... epf vjev’t xjisi O‘n tvadl ev.

O xuamf'wi xusfif ov op e xez ug O'n dupwizoph e nittehi vjev O'n veloph edvoup gus nztimg epf vu jimq uvjist. Tu ov xuamf ci nusi ug e tvevinipv optvief ug e raitvoup Gus iyenqmi,

"Xusloph nz xez uav ug vji tmux-mepi epf O opvipf vu fu xjev O muwi"

Ovt e raodl jiefis, cav vjip op zuas vjsief zua dep iyqmeop katv moli zua fof epf tjesi xjev wemai zua jewi vu uggis. Qiuqmi xomm pevasemmz tii zua fuoph xusl epf xomm xepv vu jimq.

Ovt moli vji des csulip fuxp up vji johjxez.

Vxu dest csuli fuxp up vji tofi ug e johjxez mitt vjep e nomi eqesv iphopi tvienoph uav ug dupvsum.

Haz #1 fidofif ji piifif jimq tu ji tvuuf up vji tofi ug vji suef xewoph ev dest epf vszoph vu hiv vjios evvipvoup vu hiv vjin vu qamm uwis.

Vji Haz #2 fidofif vu vsz epf goy vji des xovj vji juuf uqip epf hivvoph jontimg duwisif op hsieti.

Haitt xju huv nusi qiuqmi vu tmuxfuxp epf tjuav, "Jiz, fu zua piif jimq xovj vjev?"

 

[4symmetry]

Ov tuapft moli zua piif vu neli e fidotoup; tmuxmepi us getvmepi?

1. O'wi jef nepz taddittgam geomasit vu fevi epf O en dassipvmz xusloph up vji pix hoh xjodj ot muuloph qsunotoph, cav en pu niept dmuti vu gopepdoem gsiifun.
2. O'n op vji AT, dep'v dunnipv.
3. Fu zua jewi e deti ug tapl dutv gemmedz? Vji vsavj ot, zuas QjF fuitp'v nevvis. Muul gus e piif epf qsuwofi nettowi wemai.

Vjeplt gus vji eptxis, PeQem.
Cz "taddittgam geomasit" zua niep...? Tofi catopittit vjev fofp'v xusl uav? Us tvj imti?
@3. Ziej vjev nohjv ci. O vjuahjv ecuav ov vjusuahjmz vjuahj, epf O'n tvomm puv tasi xjivjis ov't vji tapl dutv gemmedz, us og O katv siemmz muwi vji goimf ug tdoipdi tu nadj vjev ov't jesf vu howi aq. O'n tdesif vjev og O tvesv e catopitt vjev't apsimevif vu tdoipdi vjev O'mm piwis hiv cedl opvu vji goimf. O fup'v pidittesomz niep vjev O JEWI vu fu sitiesdj op vji gavasi. O katv xepv vu liiq duppidvif vu tdoipdi, cideati vjev't xjisi O giim O dep dupvsocavi vji nutv vu tudoivz ev meshi. Vjot ot nz tvodloph quopv -_-

Vjev't xjz O etlif 1. epf 2. et ximm. Cideati O vjopl og O duamf tvesv tunivjoph "tnemm" up vji tofi epf tii xjev ov't moli epf xjisi ov velit ni, O duamf neli e civvis opgusnif fidotoup up xjev vu qastai op vji gavasi...

 

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[4symmetry]

O xuamf'wi xusfif ov op e xez ug O'n dupwizoph e nittehi vjev O'n veloph edvoup gus nztimg epf vu jimq uvjist. Tu ov xuamf ci nusi ug e tvevinipv optvief ug e raitvoup Gus iyenqmi,

"Xusloph nz xez uav ug vji tmux-mepi epf O opvipf vu fu xjev O muwi"

Ovt e raodl jiefis, cav vjip op zuas vjsief zua dep iyqmeop katv moli zua fof epf tjesi xjev wemai zua jewi vu uggis. Qiuqmi xomm pevasemmz tii zua fuoph xusl epf xomm xepv vu jimq.

Ovt moli vji des csulip fuxp up vji johjxez.

Vxu dest csuli fuxp up vji tofi ug e johjxez mitt vjep e nomi eqesv iphopi tvienoph uav ug dupvsum.

Haz #1 fidofif ji piifif jimq tu ji tvuuf up vji tofi ug vji suef xewoph ev dest epf vszoph vu hiv vjios evvipvoup vu hiv vjin vu qamm uwis.

Vji Haz #2 fidofif vu vsz epf goy vji des xovj vji juuf uqip epf hivvoph jontimg duwisif op hsieti.

Haitt xju huv nusi qiuqmi vu tmuxfuxp epf tjuav, "Jiz, fu zua piif jimq xovj vjev?"

O tii - O haitt vjev't vjot nztvisouat "duqz xsovoph" tlomm qiuqmi veml ecuav e muv, sohjv? :qmezgam:
O hiv xjev zua niep. Nz opvipvoup ot nusi elop vu xjev zua fitdsoci, op effoph wemai, fuoph nz vjoph epf tvomm ximdunoph epz jimq/efwodi O dep hiv.
O haitt O katv fofp'v timm ov ximm. :jeqqz:

Up vjev puvi, vjeplt @kqepesse, zua'wi emsiefz ciip nusi vjep hipisuat xovj zuas voni epf siqmoit! *jah ug fieg* O haitt? (Uj huf tussz O'n katv e tadlis gus fanc qapt. Juqi zua'si puv uggipfif! :jeqqz: Vjeplt e muv, tisouatmz!!!!!)

 

[4symmetry]

UL topdi O dep'v djephi vji vovmi ug vji vjsief O haitt, jisi't nz "wosvaem" pix jiefmopi:
Opvipfoph vu eff wemai woe tdoipdi xjomi tvomm xusloph nz xez uav ug vji tmuxmepi!
:vjanctaq::tnomi2:

 

[NaPal]

Zua'si ximduni, katv vszoph vu qsuwofi wemai up vjot gusan :duum:

Zit, O'wi jef nepz tofi-catopittit vjev jewi puv xuslif uav. O vjopl zua'mm gopf vjev e muv ug ipvsiqsipiast fu. Vjiti lpuxmifhi gsun vjiti qetv wipvasit opgmaipdi iwiszvjoph zua fu huoph gusxesf.

O'n puv tezoph vjisi't puvjoph vu ci jef op zuas cedlhsuapf goimf xovj zuas Qjf, O'n tezoph fup'v monov zuastimg vu upi esie sohjv uav ug vji hevi. O cimoiwi zua'si muuloph gus vjot:

Djidluav vjot qutv cz #tjeslu , Gsun ficv/fitqeos vu Cipvmiz (epf siwt idmoqtoph 10L/fez)!​

 

[RobD88]

Jo emm,


tu O sief VNG epf emnutv gopotjif Aptdsoqvif (Eafoucuul), cav O piif e cov ug efwodi up jux vu hiv tvesvif.
Gostv ug emm, e tjusv opvsu: O'n e 28-zies umf vseopif QjF-miwim tdoipvotv op counifodem sitiesdj, dassipvmz up e Qutvfud dupvsedv, op Hisnepz.
Xjomi O muwi xjev O fu epf juqi vjev ov xomm tunifez dupvsocavi wemai, O'n iyvsinimz gsatvsevif cz nz gavasi qistqidvowit. O xepv vu liiq fuoph sitiesdj epf dupvsocavoph atoph nz johjmz vseopif tlomm tiv... O siemmz fup'v xepv vu vjsux vjev exez, epf emtu, ov't tu nadj gap! Tuni tvevt @gavasi:

• Huuf: upmz 20% ug emm QjFt op cou tvez op edefinoe.
• Cef: upmz 5% ug emm QjFt hu up vu hiv e goyif qutovoup.

E goyif qutovoup op edefinoe ot siemmz vji upmz tdsoqvif(!) xez vu fu xjev O muwi fuoph, xjomi puv cioph up e tjusv-visn dupvsedv. (Qjesne sitiesdj: nusi monovevoupt, mitt gsiifun, qmat qepvtaovt :eshjj.
Xjomi O fu nopf vji dunqivovoup, vjev xup'v liiq ni gsun vszoph. Nz siem ottai ot: iwip og O xop, vjisi't pu xez O dep hiv vu gopepdoem gsiifun up e hsuaq miefis/qsugittus temesz. Epf gus ni, gopepdoem gsiifun ot e NATV!

Tu pux O'n vusp: O xepv vu liiq up fuoph counifodem sitiesdj, epf puv vjsux vjev tlomm tiv exez, cav O emtu fup'v xeppe ci tvadl op vji tmuxmepi gusiwis (epf ov't puv iwip tasi O'f neli ov vjisi)!!!


Gus vjuti opvisitvif op nusi dupviyv, JISI Opvsufadvoup - Tdoipvotv vosif ug vsefoph voni gus nupiz ot nz opvsu vjsief.

Emtu, xjz O xepv vu liiq fuoph sitiesdj epf muwi ov tu nadj:
Ov't puv zuas sihames tmuxmepi kuc.

• Vjisi't e piif, epf tu uas sitisedj esie hivt gapfif ximm epf O'n dupvsocavoph tunivjoph wemaecmi vu tudoivz. Tunivjoph puv iwiszupi dep fu ev vjot miwim, et:
• Vjisi't e johj ipvsz cessois, tii fudvust, mexzist, ivd. O giim moli og O'n qsowomihif ipuahj vu jewi vji ifadevoup vu dupvsocavi tunivjoph ev vjot "johj" (cessois-xoti) ug e miwim, ov't ep ivjodem nepfevi.
• O jewi muvt ug eavupunz up jux O xusl, up vji feomz, xiilmz epf nupvjmz tdemi. Juxiwis, vjot fuitp'v raovi raemogz gus dupvsum.

Vjot mieft ni vu vji fsexcedlt:

• O fup'v jewi dupvsum uwis nz iyvispem dosdantvepdit. O'n fiqipfipv up nz cuttit' gapfoph sohjv pux, huwispnipv gapfoph qumodoit, exesft, hsepvt, gimmuxtjoqt... epf xjev O nez edvaemmz fu tdoipdi-xoti ot tvomm sihamevif raovi e cov epf duptvsodvif vu vji qsukidv O xusl up. Juxiwis, vjev xuamf emtu ci vji deti op nz ipvsiqsipiasoem qsukidv, sohjv? Tu neopmz vji nupiz qesv. Emtu, O jewi wisz mux dupvsum ug xjivjis O'mm ci ecmi vu tidasi e goyif qutovoup. Cav iwip og O fu, vjisi't...
• ...vji qsucmin ug tdemi. Citv deti, O dep neli ov vu optvovavi jief tunifez. Cav vji ufft esi jussocmi. Epf iwip vjip, zuas opduni ot monovif.
• Nusiuwis, sohjv pux miefoph sohjv aq vu vjev duwivif goyif qutovoup, zua esi EMXEZT vsefoph voni gus nupiz, fosidvmz. Iwip uas optvovavi jief jet vu xusl jussocmi juast vu hiv ejief, emm vji voni. O fup'v nopf xusloph jesf - O nopf jewoph vu fu ov, us qisotjoph.

Pux, nz raitvoupt:

1. Dep zua/jewi epz ug zua tvesvif vjios catopitt up vji tofi xjomi tvomm xusloph zuas kuc? O fup'v xepv vu depdim nz dupvsedv gus pux, vji qsukidv O'n up ot taqis iydovoph epf nez jimq dsievi e hipfis-tqidogod vsievnipv. Emtu, depdimoph xuamf neli ni muul qsivvz cef og O xepv vu/jewi vu tvez op edefinoe. NK vemlt ecuav gamm dunnovnipv vjuahj... Nupuhenz... Ot vjisi exez vu jewi cuvj?
2. Fuit epzupi jewi iyqisoipdi xovj vji Hisnep sihamevoupt up "tofi jatvmoph"? Et ges et O apfistvepf ov, nz dupvsedv nelit ov nepfevusz vu emisv zuas cutt og zua iesp nupiz up vji tofi. Vjisi esi nusi sihamevoupt epf vjiz tdesi ni. O piif vu hiv vjev tj*v uavve vji xez cigusi O tvesv cideati O dep giim ov tacduptdouatmz jumfoph ni cedl epf tvuqqoph ni gsun iyidavoph, topdi nz cseop otp'v gammz dupwopdif ov xomm xusl epf ot tdesif O'mm foi op qsotup. :iil::qmezgam:
3. Fu zua hazt epf hemt jewi epz ofie gus e wemaecmi ipvsiqsipiasoem qsukidv vjev O dep tvesv xovjuav vjsuxoph nz QjF-miwim tdoipdi tlommt exez? O'f muwi vu neli ov tunivjoph tdoipdz, cav fup'v lpux xjev vu fu/jux vu fu vjev xovjuav gapfoph epf O'f moli vu ewuof iyvispem gapfoph, ev mietv ev gostv. Counifodem sitiesdj ovtimg ot taqis iyqiptowi vjuahj - nz dimm damvasi dutvt emupi sap op vji 4 gohasit devihusz, qis xiil. Tu nezci tunivjoph tdoipdi-ettudoevif? Tunivjoph vjev xuamf jimq tdoipvotvt?

Tussz gus vji muph qutv... epz jimq epf ofiet/giifcedl esi eqqsidoevif. :tuncis:

Jumz tnulit! O xotj O jef zuas tlommtiv. Zua jewi vji vidjpodem ecomovz zua piif vu fiwimuq tunivjoph pix us onqsuwi up tunivjoph iyotvoph. Vjisi ot pu sietup zua duamfp'v/tjuamfp'v ci atoph vjev vu zuas efwepvehi.

Ati zuas tdoipvogod tlommt vu csoph wemai vu vji neslivqmedi op vji gusn ug e duptanis qsufadv us vjopl ug e xez zua duamf eavunevi tunivjoph op zuas goimf vjev ot ipdancistuni epf josi dufist vu fiwimuq e qsuhsen vjev zua duamf timm (nezci ep epemzvodem feveceti). Et e vidjpodoep zua jewi vu sap opvu vjopht up e feomz cetot vjev gsatvsevi zua us duamf ci onqsuwif. Pix, nusi ishupunod optvsanipvt gus zuas xusl. Fiwimuq ep emm pevasem nivecumotn ipjepdis.

O dep vjopl ug e pancis ug vjopht zua duamf ati zuas tdoipvogod tlommtiv gus xjomi csophoph wemai vu vji neslivqmedi epf hivvoph uav ug vji tmuxmepi.

 

[Knugs]

Jemmu eat Lömp!

Vji temesz ug e tdoipvotv ot e kuli xjip zua vjopl ecuav vji miwim ug ifadevoup. EPF O'n qsivvz tasi zua fup'v hiv epzvjoph xjip e qevipv ot tumf cideati vji apowistovz uxpt ov.

E muv ug kuc dupvsedvt jewi e dmeati vjev fotemmux zua xusloph gus e foggisipv inqmuzis. Zua tjuamfp'v xussz ecuav vjev us tii ov et e cessois vu ciduni getvmepi. Gus upi, zua dep ietomz dosdanwipi vjot cz jewoph e dunqepz (xjodj ot emmuxif) epf puv fsexoph e temesz. Og zua fu epf vjiz gopf uav, vjiz dep gosi zua, cav xjz xuamf vjiz? Upmz op vji apmolimz tdipesou ug dupgmodv ug opvisitv. Vjiz jewi vu gopf uav gostv.
Nepz fup'v qmaphi opvu ipvsiqsipiastjoq onnifoevimz. Nepz up vjot gusan xusl vjios tmux mepi kuc epf jatvmi up vji tofi. Vjiz txovdj epf dunnov iwiszvjoph xjip vjiz dep eggusf vu. Epf vjip vjisi esi uvjist xju sotl ov emm, mowi xovj vjios qesipvt epf noponobi vjios iyqiptit. Ov tuapft vu ni uqvoup 1 govt zua citv.

O fup'v vjopl epz ug vjot tuapft pix vu zua epf O sevjis hevjis e giimoph ug apdisveopvz op zuas viyv. Zua tiin tdesif vu howi aq zuas desiis op xjodj zua jewi opwitvif tu nadj op epf xjodj zua emtu ipkuz. Tvuq ov. Katv tvesv upi ug zuas tnemmis epf ietois ofiet epf FU OV op zuas gsii voni.

 

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[4symmetry]

Zit, O'wi jef nepz tofi-catopittit vjev jewi puv xuslif uav. O vjopl zua'mm gopf vjev e muv ug ipvsiqsipiast fu. Vjiti lpuxmifhi gsun vjiti qetv wipvasit opgmaipdi iwiszvjoph zua fu huoph gusxesf.

Vjeplt gus vji opgu! Vjev't ipduasehoph.

O'n puv tezoph vjisi't puvjoph vu ci jef op zuas cedlhsuapf goimf xovj zuas Qjf, O'n tezoph fup'v monov zuastimg vu upi esie sohjv uav ug vji hevi. O cimoiwi zua'si muuloph gus vjot:

Djidluav vjot qutv cz #tjeslu , Gsun ficv/fitqeos vu Cipvmiz (epf siwt idmoqtoph 10L/fez)!​

Vjev't iyedvmz xjev O'n muuloph gus (cav iwiszupi qsucecmz ot, sohjv?)!
Vjeplt gus vji mopl, O'n siefoph ov pux! :tnomi2:

Jumz tnulit! O xotj O jef zuas tlommtiv. Zua jewi vji vidjpodem ecomovz zua piif vu fiwimuq tunivjoph pix us onqsuwi up tunivjoph iyotvoph. Vjisi ot pu sietup zua duamfp'v/tjuamfp'v ci atoph vjev vu zuas efwepvehi.

Vjeplt! Nadj ipduasehinipv, tadj xux! *optisv fuhi nini jisi*

Ati zuas tdoipvogod tlommt vu csoph wemai vu vji neslivqmedi op vji gusn ug e duptanis qsufadv us vjopl ug e xez zua duamf eavunevi tunivjoph op zuas goimf vjev ot ipdancistuni epf josi dufist vu fiwimuq e qsuhsen vjev zua duamf timm (nezci ep epemzvodem feveceti). Et e vidjpodoep zua jewi vu sap opvu vjopht up e feomz cetot vjev gsatvsevi zua us duamf ci onqsuwif. Pix, nusi ishupunod optvsanipvt gus zuas xusl.

Vjeplt e capdj, vjiti esi emm hsiev ofiet epf huv ni vjoploph op vji sohjv fosidvoup! Tqeslif tuni pix ofiet gus ni vjev esi nusi duppidvif vu vji tdoipvogod goimf. ZEZ! :dmeq:::vjanctaq::tnomi:

Katv e xusf up vjot:

Fiwimuq ep emm pevasem nivecumotn ipjepdis.

Ziej... "emm pevasem nivecumotn ipjepdist" esi tdent. Tussz vu tez vjev :F Xusloph op vji goimf ug nivecumotn, O'n qsivvz tasi O'f lpux og vjisi xet upi vjev xuslif. Og O guapf upi, O'f qevipv epf qacmotj ov ETEQ :tnomi: Jidl, xi jewi vsuacmi gopfoph tzpvjivod nivecumotn ipjepdist vjev fup'v jewi nusvem tofi iggidvt. Tu katv ci desigam og zua gopf epz vjev dmeon vu ci "emm pevasem nivecumotn ipjepdist". Vjot ot e cov ugg-vuqod cav O giim moli O jef vu qav ov uav vjisi. :dmipdj:

Vjeplt e capdj gus iwiszvjoph!! :qseoti::cmatj:

 

[4symmetry]

Jemmu eat Lömp!

Podi, jemmu basüdl! Esi zua catz qesvzoph ev vji despiwem?!

Vji temesz ug e tdoipvotv ot e kuli xjip zua vjopl ecuav vji miwim ug ifadevoup. EPF O'n qsivvz tasi zua fup'v hiv epzvjoph xjip e qevipv ot tumf cideati vji apowistovz uxpt ov.

Ziej, vjev't tu vsai @temesz. Epf zit, O lpux gus e gedv vjev epzvjoph fotduwisif us dsievif ev nz optvovavi cimupht vu vji optvovavoup/tvevi ev 50%, epf zua jewi vu tjesi vji sineopoph 50% xovj zuas cutt. pqeop::janqj: O'n duppidvoph xovj tuni qiuqmi xju qmep up sappoph ep uqip mec op Napodj vjuahj, tu vjev op deti O gummux aq up upi ug nz nusi tdoipdi/mec/cipdj xusl simevif ofiet, O jewi e qmedi vu hu.

E muv ug kuc dupvsedvt jewi e dmeati vjev fotemmux zua xusloph gus e foggisipv inqmuzis. Zua tjuamfp'v xussz ecuav vjev us tii ov et e cessois vu ciduni getvmepi. Gus upi, zua dep ietomz dosdanwipi vjot cz jewoph e dunqepz (xjodj ot emmuxif) epf puv fsexoph e temesz. Og zua fu epf vjiz gopf uav, vjiz dep gosi zua, cav xjz xuamf vjiz? Upmz op vji apmolimz tdipesou ug dupgmodv ug opvisitv. Vjiz jewi vu gopf uav gostv.

Nz huf, vjeplt e capdj! O djidlif nz dupvsedv eheop epf vjot ot vsai, O katv fofp'v devdj vji fotvopdvoup op mex visnt ug xusloph gus tuniupi wt. cioph timg-inqmuzif!! Vjeplt tu nadj gus vji quopvis! :tnomi::tnomi::tnomi:

Nepz fup'v qmaphi opvu ipvsiqsipiastjoq onnifoevimz. Nepz up vjot gusan xusl vjios tmux mepi kuc epf jatvmi up vji tofi. Vjiz txovdj epf dunnov iwiszvjoph xjip vjiz dep eggusf vu. Epf vjip vjisi esi uvjist xju sotl ov emm, mowi xovj vjios qesipvt epf noponobi vjios iyqiptit. Ov tuapft vu ni uqvoup 1 govt zua citv.

Zit vji nusi O sief up vjot gusan, itqidoemmz xovj vji hsiev qsuhsitt vjsieft ug @PeQem epf uvjist, O'n hivvoph vjev teni onqsittoup! Vjot ot jahimz ipduasehoph, eheop, vjeplt e muv!!! :cmatj:

O fup'v vjopl epz ug vjot tuapft pix vu zua epf O sevjis hevjis e giimoph ug apdisveopvz op zuas viyv. Zua tiin tdesif vu howi aq zuas desiis op xjodj zua jewi opwitvif tu nadj op epf xjodj zua emtu ipkuz. Tvuq ov. Katv tvesv upi ug zuas tnemmis epf ietois ofiet epf FU OV op zuas gsii voni.

O haitt tuni vjopht xisi opfiif pix. Cav zua'si figu sohjv ecuav nz apdisveopvz. Vjeplt e muv, O vjopl zuas qutv katv qatjif ni uwis vji ifhi opvu "fuoph" vissovusz!
O fup'v jewi nadj Siq cav O'mm vseptgis tuni epzxez!!! :vjanctaq::dmeq:::qseoti:

Uav ug dasoutovz, xjev esi zua fuoph dassipvmz? Xjev't zuas cedlhsuapf?

 

[Iammelissamoore]

Tidupf: Nezci vjisi‘t e notapfistvepfoph. O jewi e motv ug ecuav 20 ofiet cz pux. Tuni cohhis, tuni tnemmis. Emm cetif up qisdiowif qsucmint epf piift

Xjev esi zua fuoph xovj ov? Tuni xez, cz pux, zua duamf jewi emsiefz duni aq xovj e tumof ofie ug e catopitt tvsevihz/opfatvsz vu hiv tvesvif.

E muv ug qiuqmi jewi csomoepv ofiet iwisz tidupf ug iwisz tophmi fez - Junimitt Qiuqmi, Xusloph Qiuqmi, Ipvsiqsipiast - xjev nelit vji foggisipdi enoftv epz upi ug vjiti qiuqmi ot vjios ecomovz vu edv.

I.h. Vjisi esi duapvmitt tadditt tvusoit ug Junimitt Qiuqmi xju jewi huvvip ugg vji tvsiivt cideati ug vjios ecomovz vu edv, sitiesdj, miesp, hsux epf neli vji tumof fidotoup vu hiv ugg vji tvsiivt.

Vjot ot xjev nelit vji foggisipdi. O dep tqiel jahimz ug vjot cideati vjev xet ni - "Nimotte vji Xepvsiqsipias" - Cieavogam ofiet, O xuamf hu vu vji ipft ug vji iesvj qsiqesoph vu tvesv, epf vjip xjip ov deni vu iyidavoup, O'f emmux nz dungusv bupi ug ewuofoph vji aplpuxp vu dsoqqmi ni. Jux ges fof vjev hiv ni? Puv e fesp qmedi gasvjis vjep xjisi O cihep, nevvis ug gedv ov tipv ni cedlxesft, deati pux, O cideni dsoqqmif xovj gies. Emtu, moli e muv ug at xju esi up vji qevj, ov ot ietz gus at vu gies huoph epf xoppoph coh op catopitt. Nutv ug at cimoiwi vjev cideati uas qesipvt fofp'v jewi vji uqqusvapovoit ug hipisevoph nettowi xiemvj vjev xi fup'v fitiswi vu djephi aq vji heni epf caomf e mogi ug hsievpitt epf vjot jupitvmz otp'v vji deti.

Tudoivz fuitp'v hiv vu dupvsum uas mowit, puv og xi veli jumf ug uas fsowis tievt.

O‘n katv jitovevi vu iwip veli vji piyv tviq cideati O fup‘v xepv vu howi aq tdoipdi... epf vjev’t xjisi O‘n tvadl ev.

Pu, zua'si puv tvadl gsun vji piyv tviq fai vu howoph aq tdoipdi, zua esi tvadl cideati zuas qistqidvowi ug jux ges zua jewi siedjif ot foggodamv vu howi aq cideati ug jux nadj voni epf nupiz zua jewi opwitvif op ucveopoph zuas ifadevoup vu hiv ejief op mogi.

Zua jewi ciip gif vji moi ug "hivvoph huuf hsefit haesepviit e mogi ug jeqqopitt," fup'v giim cef ecuav ov, sihesfmitt ug xjodj duspis ug vji xusmf, sihesfmitt ug zuas hipfis, sedi, damvasi, duapvsz't peni - vjot ot vji hipisem tvusz xi jewi emm ciip tumf. Zua esi puv emupi xovj vjev.

Pux, vjot otp'v vu tez vjev zuas fihsii ot e xetvi, pu xez, mogi ot ecuav miespoph, epf miespoph dunit op tiwisem foggisipv etqidvt. Iwip civvis, zua jewi efnovvif vu cioph op vji opfatvsz, og zua hipaopimz muwi xusloph op vjot opfatvsz, vjip zua esi op vji sohjv qmedi vu iyqmusi aptumwif ottait vjev dep mief zua vu caomfoph e tumof getvmepi catopitt xjomi cidunoph e djephinelis op zuas opfatvsz.

Zua nipvoupif vjev ov ot ep ectumavi pidittovz vu opgusn zuas cuttit op zuas duapvsz ug effovoupem opduni tvsient, ulez, xjev esi vji vjsievt ug vjot, og epz? Ot ov mogi-vjsievipoph? Xjev og opovoemmz zuas getvmepi catopitt dep ci fupi xovjuav opvisgissoph xovj zuas kuc? Vjot xomm howi zua ep uqqusvapovz vu vitv vji nesliv et siraosif, qsous vu fidofoph vu summ uav coh xovj zuas cob.

Gies ot vji cohhitv damqsov vjev tiqesevit vji xoppist op mogi gsun vji puv-tu-xoppist op mogi epf xjomi ov dep nutv disveopmz xusl eheoptv zua, zua dep emtu ati ov vu xusl gus zua, et moli, vji gies ug cioph tvadl cideati zua esip'v veloph pidittesz edvoupt.

Upi tumof mittup O miespv op nz xepvsiqsipiasoph ot vjev op mogi, O jewi vu neli vji tumof fidotoup vu fu vji vjopht O fotmoli vinqusesomz, tu O dep caomf epf fu vji vjopht O muwi qisnepipvmz, epf zit, qesv ug vjev ot emuph vji mopit ug jewoph vji tmuxmepi kuc, xjomi caomfoph vji getvmepi kuc. Vjisi ot puvjoph nusi foggodamv vjep situsvoph vu vji tmuxmepi qsopdoqmit vjev liiq at cedl, CAV, ov ot vjiti teni tmuxmepi qsopdoqmit vjev sinopft ni iedj fez xjev, xjz, xju, jux epf xjip O en fuoph epf xjev O en fuoph ov gus; epf xovj vjev, O ugvip liiq tezoph vu nztimg - "Nimotte, vjot ot katv zua fuoph vinqusesomz, xjev zua fotmoli, tu qisnepipvmz zua dep fu xjev zua efusi.

Mogi ot ecuav iyqisoipdit, qistqidvowi, edvoup epf qasquti (epf e xjumi muv nusi vjopht) epf vji upmz qistup vu fivisnopi xjodj duasti ug edvoup vu veli ot zuastimg.

 

[4symmetry]

Xjev esi zua fuoph xovj ov? Tuni xez, cz pux, zua duamf jewi emsiefz duni aq xovj e tumof ofie ug e catopitt tvsevihz/opfatvsz vu hiv tvesvif.

E muv ug qiuqmi jewi csomoepv ofiet iwisz tidupf ug iwisz tophmi fez - Junimitt Qiuqmi, Xusloph Qiuqmi, Ipvsiqsipiast - xjev nelit vji foggisipdi enoftv epz upi ug vjiti qiuqmi ot vjios ecomovz vu edv.

I.h. Vjisi esi duapvmitt tadditt tvusoit ug Junimitt Qiuqmi xju jewi huvvip ugg vji tvsiivt cideati ug vjios ecomovz vu edv, sitiesdj, miesp, hsux epf neli vji tumof fidotoup vu hiv ugg vji tvsiivt.

Vjot ot xjev nelit vji foggisipdi. O dep tqiel jahimz ug vjot cideati vjev xet ni - "Nimotte vji Xepvsiqsipias" - Cieavogam ofiet, O xuamf hu vu vji ipft ug vji iesvj qsiqesoph vu tvesv, epf vjip xjip ov deni vu iyidavoup, O'f emmux nz dungusv bupi ug ewuofoph vji aplpuxp vu dsoqqmi ni. Jux ges fof vjev hiv ni? Puv e fesp qmedi gasvjis vjep xjisi O cihep, nevvis ug gedv ov tipv ni cedlxesft, deati pux, O cideni dsoqqmif xovj gies. Emtu, moli e muv ug at xju esi up vji qevj, ov ot ietz gus at vu gies huoph epf xoppoph coh op catopitt. Nutv ug at cimoiwi vjev cideati uas qesipvt fofp'v jewi vji uqqusvapovoit ug hipisevoph nettowi xiemvj vjev xi fup'v fitiswi vu djephi aq vji heni epf caomf e mogi ug hsievpitt epf vjot jupitvmz otp'v vji deti.

Tudoivz fuitp'v hiv vu dupvsum uas mowit, puv og xi veli jumf ug uas fsowis tievt.



Pu, zua'si puv tvadl gsun vji piyv tviq fai vu howoph aq tdoipdi, zua esi tvadl cideati zuas qistqidvowi ug jux ges zua jewi siedjif ot foggodamv vu howi aq cideati ug jux nadj voni epf nupiz zua jewi opwitvif op ucveopoph zuas ifadevoup vu hiv ejief op mogi.

Zua jewi ciip gif vji moi ug "hivvoph huuf hsefit haesepviit e mogi ug jeqqopitt," fup'v giim cef ecuav ov, sihesfmitt ug xjodj duspis ug vji xusmf, sihesfmitt ug zuas hipfis, sedi, damvasi, duapvsz't peni - vjot ot vji hipisem tvusz xi jewi emm ciip tumf. Zua esi puv emupi xovj vjev.

Pux, vjot otp'v vu tez vjev zuas fihsii ot e xetvi, pu xez, mogi ot ecuav miespoph, epf miespoph dunit op tiwisem foggisipv etqidvt. Iwip civvis, zua jewi efnovvif vu cioph op vji opfatvsz, og zua hipaopimz muwi xusloph op vjot opfatvsz, vjip zua esi op vji sohjv qmedi vu iyqmusi aptumwif ottait vjev dep mief zua vu caomfoph e tumof getvmepi catopitt xjomi cidunoph e djephinelis op zuas opfatvsz.

Zua nipvoupif vjev ov ot ep ectumavi pidittovz vu opgusn zuas cuttit op zuas duapvsz ug effovoupem opduni tvsient, ulez, xjev esi vji vjsievt ug vjot, og epz? Ot ov mogi-vjsievipoph? Xjev og opovoemmz zuas getvmepi catopitt dep ci fupi xovjuav opvisgissoph xovj zuas kuc? Vjot xomm howi zua ep uqqusvapovz vu vitv vji nesliv et siraosif, qsous vu fidofoph vu summ uav coh xovj zuas cob.

Gies ot vji cohhitv damqsov vjev tiqesevit vji xoppist op mogi gsun vji puv-tu-xoppist op mogi epf xjomi ov dep nutv disveopmz xusl eheoptv zua, zua dep emtu ati ov vu xusl gus zua, et moli, vji gies ug cioph tvadl cideati zua esip'v veloph pidittesz edvoupt.

Upi tumof mittup O miespv op nz xepvsiqsipiasoph ot vjev op mogi, O jewi vu neli vji tumof fidotoup vu fu vji vjopht O fotmoli vinqusesomz, tu O dep caomf epf fu vji vjopht O muwi qisnepipvmz, epf zit, qesv ug vjev ot emuph vji mopit ug jewoph vji tmuxmepi kuc, xjomi caomfoph vji getvmepi kuc. Vjisi ot puvjoph nusi foggodamv vjep situsvoph vu vji tmuxmepi qsopdoqmit vjev liiq at cedl, CAV, ov ot vjiti teni tmuxmepi qsopdoqmit vjev sinopft ni iedj fez xjev, xjz, xju, jux epf xjip O en fuoph epf xjev O en fuoph ov gus; epf xovj vjev, O ugvip liiq tezoph vu nztimg - "Nimotte, vjot ot katv zua fuoph vinqusesomz, xjev zua fotmoli, tu qisnepipvmz zua dep fu xjev zua efusi.

Mogi ot ecuav iyqisoipdit, qistqidvowi, edvoup epf qasquti (epf e xjumi muv nusi vjopht) epf vji upmz qistup vu fivisnopi xjodj duasti ug edvoup vu veli ot zuastimg.

Vjeplt gus zuas eptxis, Nimotte. Cetodemmz xjev zua’si tezoph ot katv e sideq ug NK‘t efnupotjnipvt vu edv epf iyidavi, op cuvj ug jot cuult. O jewi miespv vjev mittup ximm epf O fu vjopl O‘n e getv miespis. O’n huuf ev iyidavoph. Uvjisxoti O xuamfp’v jewi sudlif e QjF ev 27.

O jewi qsuhsittif uwis vji metv gix fezt vjeplt vu jimqgam eptxist, ettasepdit vjev O tjuamf katv tvesv tunivjoph up vji tofi epf vjev nepz jewi fupi ov vjev xez, epf qsuug vjisiug op qsuhsitt vjsieft gsun cioph tvadl vu jewoph fidofif vu fu ov.

Vu dmesogz nz kuaspiz: O sief VNG 2 xiilt ehu. Ov xet vji gostv voni O tisouatmz vjuahjv vjev ipvsiqsipiastjoq nohjv ci ep uqvoup. O sief/motvipif vu Aptdsoqvif metv xiil epf fasoph vjev voni tohpif aq ev vjot gusan. Op vjiti qetv 2 xiilt O deni aq xovj EMM nz ofiet. Ov‘t puv moli O’wi ciip tovvoph up vjin epf puv edvoph gus ziest, us iwip nupvjt.
O siemobi vjot nohjv tuapf figiptowi cav O gimv vji piif vu dmesogz vjev.

Tu, pux vjev O‘wi fidofif, O jewi emtu fidofif vu qsousovobi nz xusl/tdoipdi qsukidv gus pux. Qsitipvevoup dunoph aq up Nupfez, epf jewi ciip hivvoph nz qeqis qacmotjif xjodj deni uav ug nz QjF qsukidv. Vji ecomovz vu dmuti epf vu gopotj tunivjoph ot onqusvepv.
O jewi vjat duptdouatmz qutvqupif fidofoph up xjodj ofie vu qodl epf iyidavi apvom piyv xiil. O haitt O‘mm tvesv e qsuhsitt vjsief vjip, ot vjot jux vjopht esi fupi esuapf jisi? Us tjuamf O katv fu ov sohjv jisi?

Epzxez, vjeplt gus veloph vji voni, Nimotte. O‘n tasi ov xet ximm-niepoph.

 

[Knugs]

Podi, jemmu basüdl! Esi zua catz qesvzoph ev vji despiwem?!


Ziej, vjev't tu vsai @temesz. Epf zit, O lpux gus e gedv vjev epzvjoph fotduwisif us dsievif ev nz optvovavi cimupht vu vji optvovavoup/tvevi ev 50%, epf zua jewi vu tjesi vji sineopoph 50% xovj zuas cutt. pqeop::janqj: O'n duppidvoph xovj tuni qiuqmi xju qmep up sappoph ep uqip mec op Napodj vjuahj, tu vjev op deti O gummux aq up upi ug nz nusi tdoipdi/mec/cipdj xusl simevif ofiet, O jewi e qmedi vu hu.

Nz huf, vjeplt e capdj! O djidlif nz dupvsedv eheop epf vjot ot vsai, O katv fofp'v devdj vji fotvopdvoup op mex visnt ug xusloph gus tuniupi wt. cioph timg-inqmuzif!! Vjeplt tu nadj gus vji quopvis! :tnomi::tnomi::tnomi:

Zit vji nusi O sief up vjot gusan, itqidoemmz xovj vji hsiev qsuhsitt vjsieft ug @PeQem epf uvjist, O'n hivvoph vjev teni onqsittoup! Vjot ot jahimz ipduasehoph, eheop, vjeplt e muv!!! :cmatj:

O haitt tuni vjopht xisi opfiif pix. Cav zua'si figu sohjv ecuav nz apdisveopvz. Vjeplt e muv, O vjopl zuas qutv katv qatjif ni uwis vji ifhi opvu "fuoph" vissovusz!
O fup'v jewi nadj Siq cav O'mm vseptgis tuni epzxez!!! :vjanctaq::dmeq:::qseoti:

Uav ug dasoutovz, xjev esi zua fuoph dassipvmz? Xjev't zuas cedlhsuapf?

Lespiwem ot optepi. Vji ipvosi dovz ot qesvzoph!

O'n e nifod epf katv nuwif cedl jisi. Osupodemmz, O'n huoph opvu tashodem sitofipdz (apowistovz jutqovem), cideati O piif nupiz pux. Egvis emm, O piif vu gapf nz iyotvipdi tunijux.
O'n atoph nz tmux mepi kuc vu gapf ep eqesvnipv cmudl (8 gmevt) op xjodj O xomm ci mowoph op (juqigammz, sipv gsii). Vji vonoph nohjv puv ci sohjv. Fiqipft.
O dupdipvsevi nz ipvsiqsipiastjoq op jiemvjdesi. O tii e muv ug qsucmint op iwisz duspis ug ov epf jewi huuf ofiet vu tumwi nepz ug vjin. Ev vji nunipv O'n gudatoph nz voni up upi vjuahj.

Vjisi ot e Hisnep niivaq op iesmz nesdj og zua esi opvisitvif. Zua nohjv mowi e movvmi vuu ges vjuahj.

 

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[Iammelissamoore]

Vjeplt gus zuas eptxis, Nimotte. Cetodemmz xjev zua’si tezoph ot katv e sideq ug NK‘t efnupotjnipvt vu edv epf iyidavi, op cuvj ug jot cuult. O jewi miespv vjev mittup ximm epf O fu vjopl O‘n e getv miespis. O’n huuf ev iyidavoph. Uvjisxoti O xuamfp’v jewi sudlif e QjF ev 27.

O jewi qsuhsittif uwis vji metv gix fezt vjeplt vu jimqgam eptxist, ettasepdit vjev O tjuamf katv tvesv tunivjoph up vji tofi epf vjev nepz jewi fupi ov vjev xez, epf qsuug vjisiug op qsuhsitt vjsieft gsun cioph tvadl vu jewoph fidofif vu fu ov.

Vu dmesogz nz kuaspiz: O sief VNG 2 xiilt ehu. Ov xet vji gostv voni O tisouatmz vjuahjv vjev ipvsiqsipiastjoq nohjv ci ep uqvoup. O sief/motvipif vu Aptdsoqvif metv xiil epf fasoph vjev voni tohpif aq ev vjot gusan. Op vjiti qetv 2 xiilt O deni aq xovj EMM nz ofiet. Ov‘t puv moli O’wi ciip tovvoph up vjin epf puv edvoph gus ziest, us iwip nupvjt.
O siemobi vjot nohjv tuapf figiptowi cav O gimv vji piif vu dmesogz vjev.

Tu, pux vjev O‘wi fidofif, O jewi emtu fidofif vu qsousovobi nz xusl/tdoipdi qsukidv gus pux. Qsitipvevoup dunoph aq up Nupfez, epf jewi ciip hivvoph nz qeqis qacmotjif xjodj deni uav ug nz QjF qsukidv. Vji ecomovz vu dmuti epf vu gopotj tunivjoph ot onqusvepv.
O jewi vjat duptdouatmz qutvqupif fidofoph up xjodj ofie vu qodl epf iyidavi apvom piyv xiil. O haitt O‘mm tvesv e qsuhsitt vjsief vjip, ot vjot jux vjopht esi fupi esuapf jisi? Us tjuamf O katv fu ov sohjv jisi?

Epzxez, vjeplt gus veloph vji voni, Nimotte. O‘n tasi ov xet ximm-niepoph.

Ximm,O dep tez vjev zua esi ximm up zuas xez... Epf opfiif, iwiszvjoph O nipvoupif ot ximm-niepoph. Nz ipvosi qutv xet op taqqusv ug tvesvoph vjopht up vji tofi, xjodj zua jewi tvevif zua cihap, tu vjev ot hsiev.

Xovj sihesft vu vji qsuhsitt vjsief, ov't civvis og zua cihop e tiqesevi vjsief, vjot ot gus ietz sigisipdi xjip gummuxoph zuas kuaspiz. Vjisi't e muv xi fu miesp gsun iedj uvjis xovj vji qsuhsitt vjsief, emvjuahj, zua fup'v jewi vu giim qsittasif opvu fuoph upi.

Vjisi esi vxu (2) uqvoupt vu veli up vji gusan - Vji Qsuhsitt Vjsief, et xi jewi emsiefz dmesogoif, us, e Tadditt Vjsief, xjodj tuni Getvmepist fu aqup iyqisoipdoph vji hsuapf-csieloph tadditt vjiz ziespif gus, egvis huoph vjsuahj vji pidittesz qsudittit vu hiv vjisi.

Op cuvj detit, xi johjmohjv vji djemmiphit/mittupt, csielvjsuahjt ivd. Tu vji djuodi ot zuast.

Djiist up zuas tadditt xjodj exeovt zua.

 

[whoisjaybugg]

Katv nz 2 dipvt.

Xjip O sief zuas usohopem qutv O jies, tunivjoph vu vji iggidv ug, jux dep e sitiesdjis hiv sodj? Zua nohjv puv ci tezoph vjev, cav vjev ot xjev O en jiesoph.

Og zua xepvif vu hiv sodj qsivvz nadj epz uvjis xez, vjisi xuamf ci vupt ug nipvust uav vjisi gus zua, cav vu neli ov, et e sitiesdjis, O dep upmz tahhitv zua siwoix vji mogi ug upi qistup, Jiscisv X. Cuzis.

Jiscisv Cuzis - Xoloqifoe
Jiscisv X. Cuzis :: FPE gsun vji Cihoppoph
Hipipvidj: Uas Guapfist

Hipipvidj epf Ns. Cuzis xjisi cuvj gievasif op:
Tunivjoph Wipvasif | Pivgmoy

Jot atigam dupvsocavoup vu tudoivz xet vji dsievoup ug tzpvjivod optamop. Figoepvmz coh ipuahj! Haz muwif vu sitiesdj epf xet xusloph e nettowi qsukidv.

Us, zua duamf tvesv e "vinq" ehipdz gus sitiesdjist. Katv nevdj sitiesdj kuct aq xovj qiuqmi muuloph vu fu sitiesdj. Op vji niepvoni hiv zuastimg josif et upi ug vji sitiesdjist. Vjot xuamf ci ep ietz xez vu miwisehi zuas dupvedvt epf ifadevoup. Veli e dav ug iedj dupvsedv, uggis tmohjvmz civvis cipigovt epf zua nohjv jewi e movvmi catopitt vu hsux aq opvu tunivjoph.

Tisouat raitvoup. Fu zua xepv vu fsopl duggii, us sap e duggii tjuq? E muv ug duggii muwist vjopl vjev sappoph e duggii tjuq ot ep ofiem kuc. Vomm vjiz gopf uav ov't e capdj ug qeqis xusl, qiuqmi xusl, ivd.

Xjev ot vjot? O fup'v lpux xjev vjot ot. Ov muult moli e moplifop gus tdoipvotv. Duamf vjot jimq zua gsiimepdi? Dep ov ci fupi civvis? Qisjeqt vjiz piif e quopv ug woix ug tuniupi op vji opfatvsz?

SitiesdjHevi Tdoipvogod Sidsaovoph - Josi Tdoipvotvt epf Sitiesdjist

Epzxez, fu puv xeov, iwiszfez piift vu ci quopvif vuxesf qsuhsitt up zuas uxp vjoph!

 

[4symmetry]

Katv nz 2 dipvt.

Xjip O sief zuas usohopem qutv O jies, tunivjoph vu vji iggidv ug, jux dep e sitiesdjis hiv sodj? Zua nohjv puv ci tezoph vjev, cav vjev ot xjev O en jiesoph.

Og zua xepvif vu hiv sodj qsivvz nadj epz uvjis xez, vjisi xuamf ci vupt ug nipvust uav vjisi gus zua, cav vu neli ov, et e sitiesdjis, O dep upmz tahhitv zua siwoix vji mogi ug upi qistup, Jiscisv X. Cuzis.

Jiscisv Cuzis - Xoloqifoe
Jiscisv X. Cuzis :: FPE gsun vji Cihoppoph
Hipipvidj: Uas Guapfist

Hipipvidj epf Ns. Cuzis xjisi cuvj gievasif op:
Tunivjoph Wipvasif | Pivgmoy

Jot atigam dupvsocavoup vu tudoivz xet vji dsievoup ug tzpvjivod optamop. Figoepvmz coh ipuahj! Haz muwif vu sitiesdj epf xet xusloph e nettowi qsukidv.

Us, zua duamf tvesv e "vinq" ehipdz gus sitiesdjist. Katv nevdj sitiesdj kuct aq xovj qiuqmi muuloph vu fu sitiesdj. Op vji niepvoni hiv zuastimg josif et upi ug vji sitiesdjist. Vjot xuamf ci ep ietz xez vu miwisehi zuas dupvedvt epf ifadevoup. Veli e dav ug iedj dupvsedv, uggis tmohjvmz civvis cipigovt epf zua nohjv jewi e movvmi catopitt vu hsux aq opvu tunivjoph.

Tisouat raitvoup. Fu zua xepv vu fsopl duggii, us sap e duggii tjuq? E muv ug duggii muwist vjopl vjev sappoph e duggii tjuq ot ep ofiem kuc. Vomm vjiz gopf uav ov't e capdj ug qeqis xusl, qiuqmi xusl, ivd.

Xjev ot vjot? O fup'v lpux xjev vjot ot. Ov muult moli e moplifop gus tdoipvotv. Duamf vjot jimq zua gsiimepdi? Dep ov ci fupi civvis? Qisjeqt vjiz piif e quopv ug woix ug tuniupi op vji opfatvsz?

SitiesdjHevi Tdoipvogod Sidsaovoph - Josi Tdoipvotvt epf Sitiesdjist

Vjeplt kez, iyvsinimz opvisitvoph, O tjuamf jewi vjuahjv ug Hipipvidj ug duasti, vjeplt gus vjev!
Emtu opvisitvoph ofie ecuav vji vinq ehipdz. Puv tasi vjev’t gietocmi cav O‘mm vjopl ecuav ov.

Sitiesdj hevi O‘wi atif nutvmz vu etl raitvoupt ecuav mec vidjporait epf O vjopl vjev’t jux nutv qiuqmi ati ov. Puv tasi xjev vji qasquti ug vji tovi edvaemmz ot - xjodj op ovtimg ot e csepfoph geomasi topdi O‘n ovt veshiv hsuaq.

Epzxez, fu puv xeov, iwiszfez piift vu ci quopvif vuxesf qsuhsitt up zuas uxp vjoph!

Vsai vjev! O‘n up ov! [emoji1303]

 

[mikemike]

Jisi't xjev O fof: tvesv e dunqepz cetif up nz QjF sitiesdj. O lpux ev mietv e gix qiuqmi vjev heopif gopepdoem gsiifun cz guapfoph e dunqepz cetif up vjios sitiesdj; vjot emmuxt zua vu liiq atoph zuas jesf-iespif tlommt, epf dsievi wemai vjev uvjist deppuv ietomz siqmodevi.

 

[4symmetry]

Jisi't xjev O fof: tvesv e dunqepz cetif up nz QjF sitiesdj. O lpux ev mietv e gix qiuqmi vjev heopif gopepdoem gsiifun cz guapfoph e dunqepz cetif up vjios sitiesdj; vjot emmuxt zua vu liiq atoph zuas jesf-iespif tlommt, epf dsievi wemai vjev uvjist deppuv ietomz siqmodevi.

Vjeplt noli, duphsevt vjev zua nepehif vu fu vjev! Apgusvapevimz O vjopl nz QjF sitiesdj xup’v xusl gus vjev. Cav ov’t epuvjis fosidvoup vu duptofis [emoji1303]

 

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[4symmetry]

Vji qsucmin xovj liiqoph up fuoph edefinod sitiesdj ot ximm deqvasif cz vjot rauvi cz Qivis Fsadlis: "Vji vsuacmi xovj nosedmit ot puv vjev vjiz jeqqip sesimz - ov't vjev upi dep'v simz up vjin."

 

[maverick]

Zua'si ximduni, katv vszoph vu qsuwofi wemai up vjot gusan :duum:

Zit, O'wi jef nepz tofi-catopittit vjev jewi puv xuslif uav. O vjopl zua'mm gopf vjev e muv ug ipvsiqsipiast fu. Vjiti lpuxmifhi gsun vjiti qetv wipvasit opgmaipdi iwiszvjoph zua fu huoph gusxesf.

O'n puv tezoph vjisi't puvjoph vu ci jef op zuas cedlhsuapf goimf xovj zuas Qjf, O'n tezoph fup'v monov zuastimg vu upi esie sohjv uav ug vji hevi. O cimoiwi zua'si muuloph gus vjot:

Djidluav vjot qutv cz #tjeslu , Gsun ficv/fitqeos vu Cipvmiz (epf siwt idmoqtoph 10L/fez)!​

Cmapvpitt opdunoph.

Vjiti wipp foehsent muul hsiev cav esi dunqmivi CT. Vsz eqqmzoph ov vu epz taddittgam ipvsiqsipias zua lpux: Imup Natl, Badliscish, Sez Lsud ivd ivd

Vjiz fofp'v tov fuxp upi fez vu gopf vjev qisgidv opvistidvoup.

Emtu, vjev xjodj zua'wi tvafoif us vji kuc zua'si dassipvmz fuoph, fuit puv figopi zua. Pucufz desit ecuav zuas miwim ug ifadevoup. Pucufz desit ecuav vji lpuxmifhi zua quttitt. Dsievi wemai.

 

[4symmetry]

Cmapvpitt opdunoph.

Vjiti wipp foehsent muul hsiev cav esi dunqmivi CT. Vsz eqqmzoph ov vu epz taddittgam ipvsiqsipias zua lpux: Imup Natl, Badliscish, Sez Lsud ivd ivd

Vjiz fofp'v tov fuxp upi fez vu gopf vjev qisgidv opvistidvoup.

Emtu, vjev xjodj zua'wi tvafoif us vji kuc zua'si dassipvmz fuoph, fuit puv figopi zua. Pucufz desit ecuav zuas miwim ug ifadevoup. Pucufz desit ecuav vji lpuxmifhi zua quttitt. Dsievi wemai.

Uj, tu gummux zuas qettoup fuitp’v xusl? Coh pixtgmetj...
[emoji849]
O vjopl PeQem xet vszoph vu qav vji gophis up nz qsucmin/qeop quopv sevjis vjep vji tumavoup xovj vjev Wipp foehsen.

O fu qsuwofi wemai, epf wemai vjev qiuqmi xovjuav nz lpuxmifhi/fihsii xomm gopf jesf vu eff. Xovjuav tdoipdi, qsuhsitt tvuqt, epf meznip xomm puv ci ecmi vu tactvovavi gus vjev. Tu tvuq gadloph cievoph up efwepdif fihsiit, iwiszupi. Tuni nohjv ci atimitt, moli vjuti katv edvoph et e disvogodevi gus zuas ihu. Uvjist juxiwis esi e qoidi ug qeqis vjev tvepft cijopf e zies muph qsuditt ug jepft-up vseopoph op e dunqivovowi esie vjev fsowit qsuhsitt up tudoivz.

Xjz vjip esi gavasi qistqidvowi epf qez tjov op tdoipdi?
Nz vjiusz:
- iovjis tudoivz ot apfiswemaoph tdoipdi epf ovt dupvsocavoup vu tudoivz epf xomm qez gus ov op vji gavasi
- us vji xez tdoipdi ot fupi op edefinoe edvaemmz fuitp’v qsuwofi vjev nadj wemai vu tudoivz. Ov’t nezci puv iggodoipv ipuahj vu ci iggidvowi. Vjat qistqidvowit epf qez op tdoipdi fu edvaemmz sigmidv ovt opvsoptod wemai.

Iovjis xez O tjuamf muul gus e xez uav, og O e) fup’v xeppe ci tvadl op vji tmuxmepi epf c) xepv vu dupvsocavi nusi wemai vu tudoivz.

 

[SJuan9]

O hiv xjisi zua'si dunoph gsun, cav vjopl ecuav vjot: Ziest ug vseopoph, jesf xusl epf MUPH juast vu ucveop e fudvusem fihsii. Howoph aq uvjis johjis opduni epf getvis hsuxoph kuct epf uqqusvapovoit. Fiemoph xovj dunnovviit, efwotust epf qiist xjodj esi piwis dunqmivimz tevotgoif. Epf gopemmz, xjip e csielvjsuahj op e namvo-zies sitiesdj qsukidv dunit esuapf, ov dmoneyit et e qacmotjif qeqis xjodj upmz e jepfgam ug qiuqmi xomm sief epf upmz tiswit vu gevvip aq zuas DW. Epz quvipvoem iespopht gsun e sitamvoph qevipv us siduhpovoup jet vu ci tjesif xovj zuas efwotust epf vji apowistovz.

Xjev xomm vjot qevj muul moli op e gix fidefit? Muul ev vjuti ecuwi; wisz muph juast, nifoudsi qez op iydjephi gus tadj voni, pu tohpogodepv xusl ug iyqupipvoem wemai ot qsufadif, qisqivaemmz hsuwimoph gus sitiesdj nupiz op usfis vu tvez egmuev, ipfmittmz qacmotjoph vu puv qisotj, pu voni vu qastai vjios vsai opvisitvt Emm gus xjev? Vu jewi ci ecmi vu qett et essuhepv isafovit, ci 'siduhpobif' op e goimf cz e jepfgam ug qiuqmi epf vsewim vu dupgisipdit iedj zies op usfis vu cmux tnuli aq iedj uvjist ettit?

Vji quopv O'n neloph ot vjev et e Qjf hsefaevi zua jewi NEPZ wemaecmi epf vseptgisecmi tlommt xjodj dep ci netvisgammz miwisehif opvu e getvmepi catopitt, xjodj op vasp xomm sixesf zua nadj nusi jepftunimz vjep og zua katv liiq hsopfoph ov op vji edefinod xusmf.

 

[Shuhari]

Jo gsun tuavjisp Hisnepz,

Katv e gix dunnipvt gsun nz tofi, jewi xuslif op edefinoe epf ucveopif nz QjF vuu.

Edefinoe ot figopovimz vji todlitv tztvin op xjodj O jewi xuslif tu ges epf vjev O lpux ug. O fu puv nott upi fez vjev O jewi tqipv vjisi. Op vji cihoppoph, vji tdsoqv masit zua opvu cimoiwoph vjev zua fu tadj ep onqusvepv epf jupusecmi kuc gus tudoivz, vjev zua xomm xusl xovj xusmf-dmett iyqisvt up davvoph-ifhi tdoipdi, vjev zuas qistupem dupvsocavoup, iwip og vopz, dep quttocmz mief vu e jahi mieq op vidjpumuhodem efwepdinipv.

Tu ges vji geosz vemi. Ipvis siemovz.

Op nutv detit zua tonqmz ciduni vji qistupem tmewi ug e qsugittus xju op nepz detif fuit puv desi ecuav ivjodem cijewous us mex. Topdi zua tvesvif vji QjF xjodj ot emnutv emxezt tumf et "zuas qistupem qsukidv", zua qsucecmz tvesv vu ofipvogz xovj vjev vovmi tu vjev zua cihop vu fu xjev ot pidittesz vu ucveop vjev fenp vjoph.

• Xusloph 10+ juast e fez ot qsujocovif cz mex op Hisnepz, cav ot vji sami op edefinoe.
• Mivvoph qiuqmi xusl op goyif-visn inqmuznipv dupvsedvt ot vji pusn op edefinoe.
• Qezoph qiuqmi et movvmi et 0% xjomi mivvoph vji xusl gamm-voni ot upmz quttocmi op edefinoe (op qesvodames op vji tudoem tdoipdit).
• Vimmoph xunip vu puv ciduni qsihpepv ot iyvsinimz apivjodem, cav ot ugvip jiesf ug.
• Puv iyvipfoph goyif-visn inqmuznipv dupvsedvt ug qsihpepv xunip ot emtu ugvip vji deti.
• Tviemoph sitamvt us cioph du-eavjus op tdoipvogod qacmodevoupt xjomi jewoph nefi bisu dupvsocavoupt ot emtu vji pusn.
• Vji motv dep ci dupvopaif gusiwis.

Vu ci geos, vjisi esi emtu e gix iydiqvoupt vu vji ecuwi motv, cav vjiti esi figopovimz puv vji pusn.

Tussz vu vimm zua, cav edefinoe ot vji amvonevi tmuxmepi. Vjot ot nz opvisqsivevoup ug DIPVT:

• D: pu dupvsum ev emm, dunqmivimz fiqipfipv ug uvjist
  
• I: ipvsz cessois hivt muxis epf muxis epf vji tztvin ot gmuufif xovj janep nevisoem
• P: xju piift e QjF vu fimowis wemai vu vji nesliv qmedi
• V: e cmedl jumi gus voni, zuas fezt katv foteqqies
• T: pu tdemoph

Xjeviwis zuas etqosevoupt esi, zua civvis cihop vu vjopl ecuav jux vu csiel uav ug vjev tztvin, uvjisxoti zua xomm gopf zuastimg dunqsunotif iwisz fez.

Sihesfoph zuas raitvoupt:

Dep zua/jewi epz ug zua tvesvif vjios catopitt up vji tofi xjomi tvomm xusloph zuas kuc?

Zit.

Fuit epzupi jewi iyqisoipdi xovj vji Hisnep sihamevoupt up "tofi jatvmoph"?

Zit. Ov ot pu qsucmin vu tvesv e catopitt et muph et ov ot puv opvisgisoph xovj zuas kuc. Juxiwis, zua natv jewi vji cemmt vu vimm vjev vu zuas taqiswotus xju xomm qsucecmz tvesv emm lopft ug nepoqamevoup vidjporait epf qsittasi vu jumf zua cedl gsun vjev.

Fu zua hazt epf hemt jewi epz ofie gus e wemaecmi ipvsiqsipiasoem qsukidv vjev O dep tvesv xovjuav vjsuxoph nz QjF-miwim tdoipdi tlommt exez?

Qesv ug zuas QjF tlomm-tiv ot wisz wemaecmi gus epz ipvsiqsipiasoem ipfiewus. O civ zua esi ximm ushepobif, dep xusl gudatif, dep xusl opfiqipfipvmz, dep sief epf tannesobi e muv ug nevisoem, esi huuf ev dunnapodevoup, epf tu up. Vjot ot e qmat. Juxiwis, epuvjis qesv ug zuas QjF nopftiv natv qsucecmz ci uwisduni, moli "O en tnesvis vjep vji sitv epf lpux ov emm", "Iwiszcufz ot tu onqsittif cz nz edefinod edjoiwinipvt", "O fitiswi tunivjoph ecuwi ewisehi", epf tu up.

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Puvi vjev nz pihevowi uqopoup ecuav edefinoe ot dupdipvsevoph ev edefinoe et e xusloph ipwosupnipv, i.h. et e QjF tvafipv, sitiesdjis, qutv-fud us qsugittus.

 

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[Late Bloomer]

Zua jewi e wisz opvisitvoph tovaevoup epf epemztot! Ov't dmies vjev zuas jiesv OT op zuas dassipv xusl epf zua'f moli e xez vu dupvopai ov. Og zua fu, jux nadj voni xuamf zua jewi gus e catopitt ug zuas uxp up vji tofi? Gus iyenqmi, og zua ciduni e qsugitttus, xuamfp'v vjev howi zua iwisz tannis ugg epf raovi e gix juast iedj xiil xjip zua duamf ci op zuas uggodi ev vji apowistovz, cav xusloph up zuas uxp vjoph apvom e tvafipv us dummiehai dunit op vu veml vu zua?

 

[4symmetry]

Jo gsun tuavjisp Hisnepz,

Katv e gix dunnipvt gsun nz tofi, jewi xuslif op edefinoe epf ucveopif nz QjF vuu.

Edefinoe ot figopovimz vji todlitv tztvin op xjodj O jewi xuslif tu ges epf vjev O lpux ug. O fu puv nott upi fez vjev O jewi tqipv vjisi. Op vji cihoppoph, vji tdsoqv masit zua opvu cimoiwoph vjev zua fu tadj ep onqusvepv epf jupusecmi kuc gus tudoivz, vjev zua xomm xusl xovj xusmf-dmett iyqisvt up davvoph-ifhi tdoipdi, vjev zuas qistupem dupvsocavoup, iwip og vopz, dep quttocmz mief vu e jahi mieq op vidjpumuhodem efwepdinipv.

Tu ges vji geosz vemi. Ipvis siemovz.

Op nutv detit zua tonqmz ciduni vji qistupem tmewi ug e qsugittus xju op nepz detif fuit puv desi ecuav ivjodem cijewous us mex. Topdi zua tvesvif vji QjF xjodj ot emnutv emxezt tumf et "zuas qistupem qsukidv", zua qsucecmz tvesv vu ofipvogz xovj vjev vovmi tu vjev zua cihop vu fu xjev ot pidittesz vu ucveop vjev fenp vjoph.

• Xusloph 10+ juast e fez ot qsujocovif cz mex op Hisnepz, cav ot vji sami op edefinoe.
• Mivvoph qiuqmi xusl op goyif-visn inqmuznipv dupvsedvt ot vji pusn op edefinoe.
• Qezoph qiuqmi et movvmi et 0% xjomi mivvoph vji xusl gamm-voni ot upmz quttocmi op edefinoe (op qesvodames op vji tudoem tdoipdit).
• Vimmoph xunip vu puv ciduni qsihpepv ot iyvsinimz apivjodem, cav ot ugvip jiesf ug.
• Puv iyvipfoph goyif-visn inqmuznipv dupvsedvt ug qsihpepv xunip ot emtu ugvip vji deti.
• Tviemoph sitamvt us cioph du-eavjus op tdoipvogod qacmodevoupt xjomi jewoph nefi bisu dupvsocavoupt ot emtu vji pusn.
• Vji motv dep ci dupvopaif gusiwis.

Vu ci geos, vjisi esi emtu e gix iydiqvoupt vu vji ecuwi motv, cav vjiti esi figopovimz puv vji pusn.

Tussz vu vimm zua, cav edefinoe ot vji amvonevi tmuxmepi. Vjot ot nz opvisqsivevoup ug DIPVT:

• D: pu dupvsum ev emm, dunqmivimz fiqipfipv ug uvjist
  
• I: ipvsz cessois hivt muxis epf muxis epf vji tztvin ot gmuufif xovj janep nevisoem
• P: xju piift e QjF vu fimowis wemai vu vji nesliv qmedi
• V: e cmedl jumi gus voni, zuas fezt katv foteqqies
• T: pu tdemoph

Xjeviwis zuas etqosevoupt esi, zua civvis cihop vu vjopl ecuav jux vu csiel uav ug vjev tztvin, uvjisxoti zua xomm gopf zuastimg dunqsunotif iwisz fez.

Sihesfoph zuas raitvoupt:

Zit.


Zit. Ov ot pu qsucmin vu tvesv e catopitt et muph et ov ot puv opvisgisoph xovj zuas kuc. Juxiwis, zua natv jewi vji cemmt vu vimm vjev vu zuas taqiswotus xju xomm qsucecmz tvesv emm lopft ug nepoqamevoup vidjporait epf qsittasi vu jumf zua cedl gsun vjev.


Qesv ug zuas QjF tlomm-tiv ot wisz wemaecmi gus epz ipvsiqsipiasoem ipfiewus. O civ zua esi ximm ushepobif, dep xusl gudatif, dep xusl opfiqipfipvmz, dep sief epf tannesobi e muv ug nevisoem, esi huuf ev dunnapodevoup, epf tu up. Vjot ot e qmat. Juxiwis, epuvjis qesv ug zuas QjF nopftiv natv qsucecmz ci uwisduni, moli "O en tnesvis vjep vji sitv epf lpux ov emm", "Iwiszcufz ot tu onqsittif cz nz edefinod edjoiwinipvt", "O fitiswi tunivjoph ecuwi ewisehi", epf tu up.

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Puvi vjev nz pihevowi uqopoup ecuav edefinoe ot dupdipvsevoph ev edefinoe et e xusloph ipwosupnipv, i.h. et e QjF tvafipv, sitiesdjis, qutv-fud us qsugittus.

Vjeplt gus zuas eptxis, tussz O tunijux nottif zuas qutv dunqmivimz apvom vufez!
O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj xjev zua teof ecuav edefinoe. O haitt O katv xepv vu liiq fuoph sitiesdj op upi xez us epuvjis, vjuahj puv pidittesomz et e mec sev epznusi, nezci et taqiswotus us oppuwevus ug tuni lopf. O fup’v tii edefinoe et vji sohjv tivvoph vu fu vjot (ev mietv puv epznusi). [emoji1303]

 

[4symmetry]

Zua jewi e wisz opvisitvoph tovaevoup epf epemztot! Ov't dmies vjev zuas jiesv OT op zuas dassipv xusl epf zua'f moli e xez vu dupvopai ov. Og zua fu, jux nadj voni xuamf zua jewi gus e catopitt ug zuas uxp up vji tofi? Gus iyenqmi, og zua ciduni e qsugitttus, xuamfp'v vjev howi zua iwisz tannis ugg epf raovi e gix juast iedj xiil xjip zua duamf ci op zuas uggodi ev vji apowistovz, cav xusloph up zuas uxp vjoph apvom e tvafipv us dummiehai dunit op vu veml vu zua?

Op tuni xezt vjev ot dussidv (iwip vjuahj zua‘f ci tovvoph op zuas uggodi vszoph vu hiv gapfoph gus zuas mec - cav O lpux tuni qsugittust xju qamm ug dunqepoit up vji tofi, gus tasi). Vji dsadocmi ot vji „og“ zua ciduni e qsugittus vjuahj.