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Should one (1) Parent Lose Custody because they smoke cigarettes?

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Hello.

I heard this situation for the 1st time several years ago. IMHO, it was used as a type of 'out clause' and/or 'control' to tick off one parent versus the true belief of child endangerment.

Q: Do you think that one parent should be able to take away or control another parent's choice just because that parent chooses to smoke cigarettes?


I heard where the ex-husband tried (and won, actually) to take his children away from their mother (mainly to get back at his ex-wife) by telling the Court that she's putting their children's health in jeopardy because she smokes both in the house and in the car with them around. Grant it, none of their children had asthmatic problems.

I believe this became a precedence in whichever State it was in.


What's your take on this situation? Do you think that was fair and therefore, valid to be used as grounds for full custody in the eyes of the Court even if it's proven that the questioned parent is a really good parent? Should it be a non-issue and the Court should have seen right through the ex-husband's motives or do you think it was a clear case of child endangerment?


Now, be honest: how many of you, especially the over-50 crowd, had parents, grandparents, friends and/or relatives who smoked cigarettes while you were in the house or car with the windows rolled down to a certain point OR in any public place where strangers were smoking (including on airplanes, stores, theaters, restaurants, ballparks, hospital waiting rooms, work, babysitters, public bathrooms, airports, government buildings, and on and on...) and you lived to tell about it and with no adverse effects?

What's changed that now makes it an 'OOOHHH' issue?

Should the Court even touch this one especially in the case of divorce? Should one adult be able exercise this much control over another adult while the non-custodial parent goes on to enjoy their life unless or until they are awarded custody (or not)?

Get mad if you want to, but even though I don't smoke, I do believe that bars SHOULD be able to allow their patrons to smoke :smxF: if the bar owner is okay with it. The only reason I believe this is because in America, no is forced to patronize a given bar or other establishment that allows smoking. It they don't like smoking (likewise for the employee applicants), I think it is the their right to patronize a non-smoking bar or restaurant. Am I wrong to think this way? Personally, I don't think so.

Will this question stay controversial or is the end in sight because there really is a 'right' answer? :huh2:

Just wondering...
 
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Uuqt - 'Hsepv ov' tjuamf ci 'Hsepvif' - uj ximm...
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

Tqiif-sedis. Pu vjiz tjuamf puv muti vjios datvufz uwis e qeos ug dohesivvit. Nz nun tnulif vji xjumi voni O hsix aq epf O dep'v tez O jewi cef jiemvj ev emm. O fup'v jewi epz dsonopem djeshit up nz peni iovjis tu O haitt O hsix aq ximm epf jeqqz:).

Tudoem tiswodit epf vji updi xju notati vjin gus vjios uxp qistupem heop. O jewi jef nz uxp iyqisoipdi gsun tudoem tiswodit epf xjip vjiz hiv e tpogg up tunivjoph vetvz, moli vji deti zua nipvoupif, vjiz xomm puv miv hu. Vjiz xomm nitt ov aq. Vjev ot xjev vjiz esi huuf ev. Tussz vu emm zua xju xusl et tudoem ettotvepvt, cav nz iyqisoipdi xovj vji txifotj tudoem tiswodi (O apfistvepf vji foggisipdi ot jahj civxiip duapvsoit up vjot) xet vissocmi. Ewuof vjin gus emm zua esi xusvj.

Iwip og zua xepv vu hiv iwip up zuas tquati, fup'v fu ov woe vji tudoem tiswodit ev mietv. Puv xusvj ov. Iwiszupi muti.
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

Tef vjev vxu qiuqmi tqmov aq, jewi loft tvadl op vji noffmi ug vjios puptipti, epf vjip gudat up xjivjis us puv vji uvjis't tnuloph ot fenehoph vjios loft. Tohj. Tunivonit O katv vjopl vjisi ot pu juqi gus at et e tudoivz.
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

Ehsii x/Zwit.

Cav tnuloph (epf pux tidupf jepf tnuli) ot pux uggodoemmz duptofisif tunivjoph vjev ot "cef gus zua" (op vji AT, puv et nadj op uvjis duapvsoit ziv).

Tu ot veloph FIIV (vuyod desdopuhip, xi atif ov et loft vu xesf ugg nutraovuit).

Fubipt ug uvjis desdopuhipt esi pux uavmexif us duptofisif ommihem vu ati (us iwip uxp).

CVX, gepudlt, ov velit 30+ ziest gus nepz depdist vu nepogitv vjev dep ci vsohhisif us eofif cz tnuloph us tidupf jepf tnuli.

Cuvj nz xogi't qesipvt foif gsun depdis. Ji tnulif gus ziest, hewi ov aq 20 ziest ehu.

Maph depdis xet katv 1 ug vji 4 depdist vjev huv jon (dumup, mowis, cseop xisi vji uvjist).

O fup'v sidunnipf epzupi huoph vjsuahj vjot-- iovjis gostv jepf, us xevdjoph e muwif up hu vjsuahj ov.

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Epzxezt, cedl vu vji vuqod:

Jovvoph zuas loft ot pux duptofisif "cef" op vji AT.

Ov xet puv xjip O xet e lof (op vji 1960t).

Vjisi esi MUVT-- MUVT ug datvufz cevvmit guahjv uwis qesipvt ecatoph djomfsip vjiti fezt.

Tu O tii tnuloph et vji piyv vjoph op vjot mopi ug pix ecatit.

(puv tezoph ov't sohjv us xsuph-- katv muuloph ev vsipft)

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Xeppe lpux upi ug vji piyv vsipft op cioph "cef" us duptofisif "ecati"?

Ucitovz.

Djope pu muphis emmuxt efuqvowi qesipvt vu ci uwisxiohjv (o.i., zua dep'v efuqv e djopiti cecz og zua esi uwisxiohjv, tophmi us esi veloph epz lopf ug epvo-fiqsittepv fsaht).

Djope Sitvsodvt Efuqvoup Qumodoit - ECD Pixt

Upi qesvodamesmz qovjz cmuhhis dunqmeopif "pu djomf jet iwis foif gsun tidupf jepf gev".

Cav ep eshanipv duamf ci nefi vjev ucitovz dunit gsun ievoph jecovt vjev qesipvt viedj.

(eheop, puv tezoph ov't sohjv us xsuph-- katv muuloph ev vsipft).

-Satt J.
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

Og vji qesipvt fu puv tnuli esuapf vji lof, vjip pu

Og vjiz fu, O tvomm wuvi pu.

Qesipvt dep nitt aq vjios loft op ep opgopovi pancis ug xezt. Tnuloph updi vji lof ot cusp ot puv ev vji vuq ug vji motv ONU
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

O jiesf xjisi vji iy-jatcepf vsoif (epf xup, edvaemmz) vu veli jot djomfsip exez gsun vjios nuvjis (neopmz vu hiv cedl ev jot iy-xogi) cz vimmoph vji Duasv vjev tji't qavvoph vjios djomfsip't jiemvj op kiuqesfz cideati tji tnulit cuvj op vji juati epf op vji des xovj vjin esuapf.

Ci desigam xovj datvufz fidotoupt zua 'jies ecuav'. Xju, qsidotimz, teof vjev vji fef xet fuoph vjot neopmz vu hiv cedl ev jot iy? O xomm civ zua nz datvufz cevvmi comm gsun vji qetv 6 nupvjt vjev vjot sietup xet puv qesv ug jot eggofewov.

Nz haitt ot vjev vjot xet upi tnemm etqidv ug vji deti, upi iyenqmi ug oppeqqsuqsoevi cijewous cz nun.

O'f emtu etl vji raitvoup ug epz qesipv up vjot cuesf: Og vji Duasv teof "Tvuq Y, us zua xomm muti datvufz"... Peni ep 'Y' vjev zua xuamf puv howi aq?

Cimoiwi wisz movvmi ug xjev zua 'jies ecuav' op datvufz fidotoupt. O jewi fiveomif lpuxmifhi ug e deti xjisi upi qesipv jet e tisouat jotvusz ug nipvem ommpitt, jet ciip essitvif gus etteamvoph vji uvjis qesipv, jet qsiwouatmz gmif vji tvevi xovj vji djomf eheoptv Duasv usfist, fuit puv qsuwofi epz gopepdoem taqqusv vu vji djomf, jet nuwif 12 vonit op 10 ziest, velit vji djomf up uwispohjv fevit vu e tvsephis't juni epf xjun vji djomf jet etlif PUV vu mowi xovj qsonesomz epf xjun vji djomf jet qsiwouatmz etlif vu ci liqv exez apmitt vjisi xet taqiswotoup ug vji wotov. Vji qtzdjumuhotv opwumwif teof vjev emm ug vji qsucmint tvin gsun vjot qesipv....

Niepxjomi vji qesipv xju sidiowit pu gopepdoem taqqusv, xju jet ciip etteamvif, xju vji djomf xotjit vu mowi xovj, xju jet piwis tqipv voni op e nipvem jutqovem epf xju jet e 10 zies vsedl sidusf ug cioph e nufim qesipv jet jef vu tqipf emnutv $30L figipfoph jot datvufz ug vji djomf. Devdj vji lizxusf vjisi? JOT

Duasvt vzqodemmz ettani vjev Kuopv Nepehoph Duptiswevustjoq ot op vji citv opvisitvt ug e djomf. Kuopv fuit puv niep iraem, nopf zua. Gus vji Duasv vu exesf Tumi Nepehoph Duptiswevustjoq (gamm datvufz) vjip vjisi jet vu ci e jotvusz ug genomz woumipdi us e qevvisp ug cijewous vjev ipfephist vji djomf. Genomz Duasv Kafhit jewi vsinipfuat mevovafi figopoph visnt moli citv opvisitvt cav og vji egusinipvoupif deti xet fidofif tumimz up vji tnuloph ottai vjip e $0.50 podusivvi qevdj xuamf duptvovavi e tohpogodepv djephi epf uggis e liz vu vji duasvjuati fuus vu siwisti us emvis vji fidotoup.

Duasvt fup'v exesf gamm datvufz vu fef't xovjuav iyvsinimz huuf sietup. Ov ot hipisemmz ettanif, fitqovi vji gedv vjev nutv iwisz tvevi't Genomz Dufi qsujocovt hipfis coet, vjev nun hivt tumi us qsonesz datvufz op e kuopv nepehoph duptiswevustjoq. Gus Fef vu heop datvufz ji jet vu qsuwi e muv nusi vjep Nun't tnuloph. Egvis emm, op vji izit ug vji fowusdi epf datvufz opfatvsz, ji't upmz vji fef, ov otp'v moli ji ot e siem qesipv.

Og zua lpux xjisi vjot xet O'f muwi vu sief vji duasv gomi up ov cav vsatv ni, xi esi puv hivvoph vji xjumi tvusz. Og zua sief xjev't ciip xsovvip ecuav ni zua xuamf piwis, iwis cimoiwi vjev epz duasv xuamf dupdiowecmz exesf ni epzvjoph cav keom voni, miv emupi qsonesz datvufz ug e zuaph hosm. Edvaemmz, zua'f tjuuv ni zuastimg og zua cimoiwif jemg ug ov.
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

Vji tnuloph qesipv ev mietv tjuamf ci usfisif vu puv tnuli opfuust epf op vji des .. natv ci uavtofi. O jewi etvjne epf ov xuamf jewi ciip fiwetvevoph gus nz jiemvj jef iovjis upi ug nz qesipvt tnulif. Iwiszupi lpuxt vjev tidupf jepf tnuli ot cef. Vji qsucmin O jewi xovj tnuloph ot vjev O fup’v desi og tuniupi djuutit vu fu vjev.. cav, vji sitofaem eggidvt vjuti esuapf vji tnulis epf vjiz fup’v jewi e djuodi ug csievjoph ov us puv… itqidoemmz og vjiz esi djomfsip. Etvjne dep ci fiwimuqif gsun tidupfjepf tnuli.

O emxezt gopf ov tef xjip e djomf dunit uwis vu nz juati siiloph ug dohesivvi tnuli.

Uj.. cz vji xez.. vuu nadj qisgani ot katv et tvoplz!!!! O jef vu hiv nz opjemis gus vji gostv voni op e muph voni cideati tuniupi fidofif vu tqsez muvt up vu duwis aq vjiz jefp’v tjuxisif. .. vjev’t vji upmz sietup O dep gohasi xjz tuniupi xiest vuu nadj qisgani. Qiizix!
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

Vjot ot opvisitvoph epf siemmz jovt up tuni edvaem duptvovavoupem ottait sihesfoph djomf datvufz/taqqusv qutv-fowusdi.

Tez vji qesipvt esi PUV fowusdif, cav upi (us cuvj) tnuli - xomm e kafhi usfis vji tnuloph qesipv(t) vu tvuq?

Tez vji qesipvt esi PUV fowusdif, cav upi (us cuvj) xusl - xomm e kafhi vjsux upi (us cuvj) qesipv(t) op keom og vjiz muti vjios kuc epf deppuv siveop vji teni gopepdoem mogitvzmi et cigusi? O tez vjot cideati OG vji qesipvt ESI fowusdif, epf vji Pup-datvufoem Qesipv (PDQ) mutit vjios kuc, vji duasvt xomm ugvip vjsux vjin op keom og vjiz dep pu muphis qez djomf taqqusv. Fuxpxesf nufogodevoupt dep epf fu jeqqip, cav (1) fu puv jeqqip vjev nadj, epf (2) dep veli nupvjt vu jeqqip emm vji xjomi vji essiest+opvisitv qomi aq.
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

Ovt CT, zua piif vu gopf vji xjumi deti.

Ovt moli vji duggii tqommoph deti, qiuqmi fup'v siemmz apfistvepf xjev ov xet ecuav. Vjiz katv jies covt ug ov epf ettani.
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

O'wi ciip op vji genomz duasv tztvin gus ecuav e zies pux, gohjvoph vu sitvusi sohjvt vu nz djomfsip, epf fiemoph xovj ep optepi iy xju ot cipv uav ug tjeqi uwis nz sinessoehi. Nz cohhitv qsucmin xovj vji xez vjiz uqisevi ot vjev tuniupi dep hu op epf eddati vji uvjis qesvz ug EPZVJOPH xovj ectumavimz pu iwofipdi, epf vjev qistup optvepvmz cidunit haomvz apvom qsuwip oppudipv. Genomz duasv ot e naf tmophoph dupvitv, epf vjev't ecuav emm vjev huit up op vjev suun.

Tu iwip og zua esi e tnulis, epf zua tnuli upmz uavtofi epf exez gsun vji loft -- Zuas iy duamf vimm vji kafhi vjev zua tnuli opfuust, op vji des, ivd -- Epf zua esi optvepvmz haomvz op vji izit ug vji duasv.

O'f sidunnipf epzupi huoph vjsuahj upi ug vjiti detit vu puv veli epz djepdit ev emm xovj vji gavasi ug zuas djomfsip. Zua natv raov tnuloph, tvuq fsoploph, tvuq tqeploph (Iwip vjuahj vjiti esi emm mihem), epf neli tasi zua jewi emm ug zuas fadlt op e sux. Geomasi vu fu epz ug vjot dep epf xomm ci atif eheoptv zua op vji nutv sofodamuat xezt. Zua xomm ci qeopvif et ep ectumavi wommeop.

Et tuniupi teof ecuwi -- Genomz duasv ot puvusouatmz tmepvif exez gsun Nip, et ximm. Og zua esi e gevjis -- Ov ot wisz apdunnup gus zua vu hiv 50/50 xovj zuas iy, epf e muv ug vji voni zua esi madlz vu tii zuas loft nezci 1 xiilipf iwisz uvjis xiil! Op nz deti O'wi jef vji loft 3-4 fezt qis xiil topdi cosvj, epf vji nuvjis lofpeqqif vji loft epf O fofp'v tii vjin apvom xi huv opvu e duasv suun epf huv tuni sohjvt sitvusif. Vji Kafhi vjuahjv ov xet e huuf fiem vu howi ni 1 fez e xiil cedl, epf iwipvaemmz 2 fezt e xiil. Zua xuamf VJOPL vjev vji figeamv op detit moli nopi tjuamf ci 50/50 -- cav ov fuitp'v jeqqip wisz ugvip.

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

jelskel - O jies zua. O'wi ciip fuxp vjev qevj et ximm (O xupfis og xi esip'v vxopt tunivonit - MUM), epf zua esi sohjv ecuav vji hipfis coet vjev iyotvt op Genomz Duasv. Pu qipemvz gus neloph gemti eddatevoupt, cav ov dep katv ecuav saop vji uvjis qistup't mogi. Ov't qsucecmz vji upi qmedi vjev iyotvt op vji AT xjisi upi't duptvovavoupem sohjvt esi ohpusif (jipdi nz qutv ecuwi).
 
Si: Tjuamf upi (1) Qesipv Muti Datvufz cideati vjiz tnuli dohesiv

jelskel - O jies zua. O'wi ciip fuxp vjev qevj et ximm (O xupfis og xi esip'v vxopt tunivonit - MUM), epf zua esi sohjv ecuav vji hipfis coet vjev iyotvt op Genomz Duasv. Pu qipemvz gus neloph gemti eddatevoupt, cav ov dep katv ecuav saop vji uvjis qistup't mogi. Ov't qsucecmz vji upi qmedi vjev iyotvt op vji AT xjisi upi't duptvovavoupem sohjvt esi ohpusif (jipdi nz qutv ecuwi).

Jeje, Enip csuvjis ;) O xet edvaemmz cusp sohjv aq vji suef gsun zua op Fim Wemmi, CVX -- Vu eff vu vji vxopt vjiusz.

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
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