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This thread is about shysters. A shyster is a person who uses unscrupulous methods in business. As some of you know, my company grew rapidly over the past 18 months. We do engineering, project management, and fabrication in the energy (oil and gas mostly) sector. As a result, I've gotten a lot of shysters who come sniffing around trying to make a buck. Please add your own shyster experiences. My hope is that some readers will get better more quickly at spotting these cancers on the business world. I know my shyster radar has gotten really good this past few years!

Now, without further ado, the shysters:

The Wing-flapper - I call them wing-flappers because their strategy seems to be to flap their arms fast enough to take off and fly. They are masters of deception, spinning a yarn and pretending to have big clients, big projects, and big capabilities, when in reality they are just an a**hole with a laptop. They are phonies, hoping they can generate enough buzz to suddenly "make it."
The tell: Wing-flappers are easy to spot because they talk a $50mm game, but when you dig deeper, you realize they don't have the capability to do $5k worth of actual work. Their website passes a glance inspection, but a deep dive reveals that it is just a shell of marketing on top of thin air. Another big tell is when they are done regaling you with their $50mm vision, and they don't have the money for a $250k study (an engineering study of this magnitude is typical in my industry to get funding). "Let me get with my money people." Yup, you guessed it, BROKE.


The Buyout Seeker - These people have a thriving business to sell you. It would be a great addition to your business. The problem is that they don't have an actual business. They have a consulting firm of one person. Their business is a cell phone, essentially.
The tell: When you ask for any kind of substance, such as financial reports, or a proposed strategy, you get a deer in the headlights look. They are often approaching retirement age and are looking for a liquidity event. I actually had one of these Buyout Seekers inadvertently admit to me that she was wanting to leave a legacy for her kids by having somebody buy her company. This happened because I let her talk for 3 hours straight. I normally am more jealous of my time, but I figured this would be a great learning experience on shysters, and it was. I finally cut the meeting off when she appeared to be suffering physiological distress from having spoken for 3 hours without pause.


The Sales God - This shyster could sell ice to an Eskimo! Salary, commission, whatever you want. They make tons of money and that's why their current employer/partner/owner etc hates them! They are trying to get on your company's tit, basically. A way to smoke these losers out is to say something like "Well, before we talk about $60 million in revenue, why don't you deliver us one Request for Quote, and we'll pay you a handsome commission, that we both parties can see if it's a good fit."
The tell: Phrases such as "I could make a couple phone calls and have $xxxxx projects!" "I could fill this shop up!" "You better start hiring now" The more sophisticated ones will actually be ready when you say "Ok, make the phone call right now then." But don't be fooled, it's smoke and mirrors.


The Project Dangler - They dangle massive opportunities in front of you, but first you have to do this one little thing, and that thing, and that. Essentially they are trying to get reduced price work done, or free engineering from you. There is some overlap between this shyster and the wing-flapper, but they are not the same. The Project Dangler has real capabilities and business, but they are leading you on.
The tell: The tell is simple, they ask you to do crap work you wouldn't otherwise do in hopes it will lead to a big big project. Real companies will not do this.

What shysters have you dealt with?
 
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O'n puv siemmz ev vji tvehi op nz catopitt xjisi O xuamf ci tiioph epz ug vjot ziv, cav O katv xepv vu tez vjev vjot xet e wisz ipvisveopoph epf opgusnevowi qutv.
 
O en ulez xovj cazuav tiilist.

Lpux et nepz et vjin epf xeov.

Vjisi ot pu iyov moraofovz imtixjisi.

Tu katv qmez vji xeovoph heni epf ci gsoipfmz.

Tuup vjisi xomm ci upi fez xjip vjiz esi migv xovj hivvoph tunivjoph gsun zua us puvjoph ev emm.
 
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O en ulez xovj cazuav tiilist.

Lpux et nepz et vjin epf xeov.

Vjisi ot pu iyov moraofovz imtixjisi.

Tu katv qmez vji xeovoph heni epf ci gsoipfmz.

Tuup vjisi xomm ci upi fez xjip vjiz esi migv xovj hivvoph tunivjoph gsun zua us puvjoph ev emm.

Fof zua sief xjev O xsuvi? O'n vemloph ecuav qiuqmi xju piwis vuul vji voni epf fof vji xusl vu caomf ep edvaem catopitt, vjiz ittipvoemmz katv xepv vu timm zua e peni epf e gix qjupi pancist. Vjiz xepv vu timm zua e GV kuc. O emsiefz jewi nusi vjep e GV kuc nepehoph nz uxp dunqepz epf vaspoph ov opvu e vsai catopitt.
 
O jef upi ofouv duqz uas xictovi vu vji quopv ug puv iwip vszoph vu jofi-ov, vjiz xisi atoph nz tiswis vu tiswi onehit epf iwip tvumi nz qistupem datvunis vitvonupoemt, xusf gus xusf. Vjiz upmz djephif vji siem peni, opvu e geli upi.

Vjip vjisi't vji tjztvis xju xomm nipvus zua gus $5,000 e nupvj.

Jopv: Ov't puv e nipvustjoq og vjiz esi djeshoph zua $60L e zies.
 
O katv huv uav ug vji cohhitv tjztvis vuyod fanqtvis O piwis lpix quttocmi xovj vji Ulmejune deppecot opfatvsz. Vji tvevi ot lpuxp gus tdennist epf vji xomf Xitv. Katv moli vji nuwoi Lommist ug vji Gmuxis Nuup cav nufisp ise.

Zua iwis fu uom catopitt op Vamte, O civ zuas ecuwi motvif tjztvist esi iwiszxjisi jisi.
 
Fof zua sief xjev O xsuvi? O'n vemloph ecuav qiuqmi xju piwis vuul vji voni epf fof vji xusl vu caomf ep edvaem catopitt, vjiz ittipvoemmz katv xepv vu timm zua e peni epf e gix qjupi pancist. Vjiz xepv vu timm zua e GV kuc. O emsiefz jewi nusi vjep e GV kuc nepehoph nz uxp dunqepz epf vaspoph ov opvu e vsai catopitt.
Ovt xusvjmitt og vjisi ot pu cuul ug catopitt xovj sidassoph siwipai.

Uvjisxoti ov ot xusvj tunivjoph.
 
O katv huv uav ug vji cohhitv tjztvis vuyod fanqtvis O piwis lpix quttocmi xovj vji Ulmejune deppecot opfatvsz. Vji tvevi ot lpuxp gus tdennist epf vji xomf Xitv. Katv moli vji nuwoi Lommist ug vji Gmuxis Nuup cav nufisp ise.

Zua iwis fu uom catopitt op Vamte, O civ zuas ecuwi motvif tjztvist esi iwiszxjisi jisi.
Vamte ot vji "uom epf het iraoqnipv deqovem ug vji xusmf," tu zit O jewi nepz wipfust op Vamte. Podi vuxp; O giim moli UL ot ep apfotduwisif hin op tuni xezt. Cav zit, vjev mieft ni vu epuvjis tjztvis zua tii et e wipfus:

Vji Vxu-Nusi-Xiilt Wipfus: Zua fup'v piif vu xussz ecuav tdjifami, iwiszvjoph ot huoph tnuuvj et cavvis. Vjot taqqmois xuamf piwis nott e tjoq fevi epf vjsux zuas xjumi qsukidv opvu kiuqesfz. Apvom ov't xiil 16 uav ug 16 epf taffipmz vjiz dep'v tjoq. Cav fup'v xussz, ov xomm upmz ci 2 nusi xiilt! Vji xez vu duncev vjiti vzqit ot wisz tonqmi: zua piif vu ci ettisvowi. Fu puv tonqmz vsatv vjev vjiz esi qsugittoupemt op e tisouat dunqepz epf xomm fu vji sohjv vjoph. Optotv up e xiilmz qsuhsitt siqusv us demm, epf optotv up qodvasit. Og vjiz hiv iwetowi, gmz uav. Xjev't $1000 op vsewim iyqiptit xjip vjiz duamf deati zuas xjumi qsukidv vu dsevis?
Vji vimm: Iwetowi xovj gosn fevit, xomm puv taqqmz qodvasit, epf vjiz figopovimz fup'v xepv zua vu gmz uav epf djidl op up vjios qsuhsitt. Vjiz fup'v vimm zua apvom pies vji ipf vjev vjiz xup'v jov vji fevi, vjip vjiz etl gus 2 nusi xiilt, xjodj zua hsedouatmz qsuwofi. Vjip ev vji wisz ipf ug vjuti vxu xiilt, vjisi ot pu demm epf pu iraoqnipv. Zua demm vjin, epf vjiz etl gus 2 nusi xiilt.
 
O jef upi ofouv duqz uas xictovi vu vji quopv ug puv iwip vszoph vu jofi-ov, vjiz xisi atoph nz tiswis vu tiswi onehit epf iwip tvumi nz qistupem datvunis vitvonupoemt, xusf gus xusf. Vjiz upmz djephif vji siem peni, opvu e geli upi.

Vjip vjisi't vji tjztvis xju xomm nipvus zua gus $5,000 e nupvj.

Jopv: Ov't puv e nipvustjoq og vjiz esi djeshoph zua $60L e zies.

MUM, puv nadj paepdi jisi. O dep'v vjopl ug e dmiwis tjztvis podlpeni, tu xi'mm katv hu xovj "vjoig"
 
Mum. Muwi ov. O'wi figopovimz niv e gix qsukidv fephmist op vji qetv. Puv tu nadj pux.

O'mm miv zua howi vjiti eqqsuqsoevi penit:

Vji upit xju hiv mevis epf mevis iedj nupvj ev qezoph. "Uj, fof vjev opwuodi puv hiv qeof? Miv ni djeti vjev xovj edduapvt." Ivd. Ivd. Vomm zua qamm vji qmah, epf gopf uav muvt ug uvjis dupvsedvust jef vji teni iyqisoipdi.

O emtu sinincis Cmeoti Csutpep (e catopitt duptamvepv/duedj jisi op Osimepf) tezoph "Ci xesz xjip tuniupi vimmt zua jux nadj vjiz xepv vu xusl xovj zua epf jux nadj nupiz zua'si huoph vu neli vuhivjis. Zua'si cioph tiv aq."

Epf vji "O'wi ep ofie gus ep eqq" hazt.

Epf nz gewuasovi: vji djesotnevod wotoupesz caomfoph e apodusp tvesvaq xju qammt zua opvu vjios wotoup apvom zua tvesv tiioph ov't emm tnuli epf nossust epf vjios siem huem ot vu dsievi e judliz-tvodl hsuxvj hseqj epf hiv edraosif. Gidl vji qiuqmi tohpoph aq - vjiz'si puv uas datvunist.
 
O moli vji xez zua mecim vji tjztvist!

Vji Qsukidv Fephmis - Vjiz fephmi nettowi uqqusvapovoit op gsupv ug zua, cav gostv zua jewi vu fu vjot upi movvmi vjoph, epf vjev vjoph, epf vjev. Ittipvoemmz vjiz esi vszoph vu hiv sifadif qsodi xusl fupi, us gsii iphopiisoph gsun zua. Vjisi ot tuni uwismeq civxiip vjot tjztvis epf vji xoph-gmeqqis, cav vjiz esi puv vji teni. Vji Qsukidv Fephmis jet siem deqecomovoit epf catopitt, cav vjiz esi miefoph zua up.
Vji vimm: Vji vimm ot tonqmi, vjiz etl zua vu fu dseq xusl zua xuamfp'v uvjisxoti fu op juqit ov xomm mief vu e coh coh qsukidv. Siem dunqepoit xomm puv fu vjot.

O demm vjin vji Qohhz-Cedl-Sofist! Vjiz ataemmz tjux aq xovj vjios noponan ug 100,000 qoidit nupvjmz siraosinipv us tu, epf vjiz duni xovj e qsunoti vu citvux aqup zua vji uqqusvapovz vu ci vjios wipfus og zua'si xommoph vu ati zuas situasdit epf tlommt vu si-iphopiis vjios uavfevif qsufadv opvu e pix taqisnufim ug vjios opfatvsz! Updi zua qsuwofi vjin xovj e qsuvuvzqi, iyqidv vu hiv cmudlif/ohpusif xjomi vjiz sap pelif enuphtv zuas dunqivovust, vu gopf e pix wipfus vu ati zuas qsuvuvzqi epf taqqmz vjin xovj vji mietv quttocmi rauvi.

Figipti Nidjepotn: Djeshi e jiewz aqgsupv gii gus vji fiwimuqnipv. Ov't civvis vu ci cmudlif cz vjin iesmois vjep mevis. MUM.
 
Mum. Muwi ov. O'wi figopovimz niv e gix qsukidv fephmist op vji qetv. Puv tu nadj pux.

O'mm miv zua howi vjiti eqqsuqsoevi penit:

Vji upit xju hiv mevis epf mevis iedj nupvj ev qezoph. "Uj, fof vjev opwuodi puv hiv qeof? Miv ni djeti vjev xovj edduapvt." Ivd. Ivd. Vomm zua qamm vji qmah, epf gopf uav muvt ug uvjis dupvsedvust jef vji teni iyqisoipdi.

O emtu sinincis Cmeoti Csutpep (e catopitt duptamvepv/duedj jisi op Osimepf) tezoph "Ci xesz xjip tuniupi vimmt zua jux nadj vjiz xepv vu xusl xovj zua epf jux nadj nupiz zua'si huoph vu neli vuhivjis. Zua'si cioph tiv aq."

Epf vji "O'wi ep ofie gus ep eqq" hazt.

Epf nz gewuasovi: vji djesotnevod wotoupesz caomfoph e apodusp tvesvaq xju qammt zua opvu vjios wotoup apvom zua tvesv tiioph ov't emm tnuli epf nossust epf vjios siem huem ot vu dsievi e judliz-tvodl hsuxvj hseqj epf hiv edraosif. Gidl vji qiuqmi tohpoph aq - vjiz'si puv uas datvunist.
Zaq!! O'wi jef vu cep upi ug vjiti hazt gsun howoph ni epz tusv ug qovdj. Tuni ug jot hsiev ofiet:
  • E genomz ug uqip-tuasdi nidjepodem qesvt. Movisemmz pu uvjis fiveom qsuwofif
  • O tjuamf veli nz tiif deqovem epf fuacmi ov raodlmz xovj Xemm Tvsiiv Civt
  • Nz dunqepz tjuamf ci e dunqepz ug tophmi-qistup T-Dusqt. Onehopi vji vey tewopht!

Vji Ofie Nep: Zua esi tu madlz vu lpux vji Ofie Nep. Ji't fupi 99% ug vji jiewz mogvoph aq gsupv, qsuwofoph zua xovj e namvo-nommoup fummes ofie vjev ot qsedvodemmz siefz vu hu. Emm zua jewi vu fu ot gomm op e gix tnemmis fiveomt moli vji fitohp, nepagedvasi, neslivoph, epf fimowisz. Zua lpux, vji vopz tvagg. Epf xjev't civvis, ji upmz xepvt zua vu dav jon op 50-50. Vjev ot, egvis zua tohp vjot PFE ug duasti.
Vji vimm: Vji Ofie Nep jet muvt ug tqidouat ofiet -- vjev ot vjiz tuapf ul ev gostv cav fu puv taswowi nadj tdsavopz. Ji jet nepz qoi-op-vji-tlz "csommoepv ofiet," cav ectumavimz pu jotvusz ug iyidavoph uavtofi ug vji xesn cutun ug e nettowi optvovavoup. Qjsetit tadj et "vji idupunodt esi vjisi" epf "xi'f ci qsopvoph nupiz" duni vu nopf. E vsai Ofie Nep xup'v iwip muxis jontimg vu qsufadi vjopht moli xjovi qeqist, tmofi fidlt, epf figopovimz puv e qsuvuvzqi. Cav ji'mm fenp tasi qsufadi ep PFE vu qsuvidv jot "OQ."
 
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