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Hi everyone,

I am running a smaller online bushiness and lately I have felt really stuck and would appreciate any help. I have been searching internet for forums like this and ran into The Fastlane Forum which is really amazing since The Millionaire Fastlane was a book that started everything for me (really thank you @MJ DeMarco ). I was an exchange student in the USA back in 2013 and I bought this book on Kindle and I loved it (at that time I could not understand English that well so I read it again at the end of my exchange year haha). After The Millionaire Fastlane , I started reading similar books, I started learning about SEO, email marketing, webdesign and web development, PPC and other essential things to the online business world. Little later, I finally started my website for which I am seeking help here now.

So about my problem. I have a smaller membership website with about 20 000 registered users. It's not that many, however, I think even with this amount I could be making some decent income but I am not. The website is not a community website where I would share some tips or learn anyone. The concept is more similar to a dating site, you pay to send messages and to unlock other features (but it's not a dating site and nothing sexual). It costs 10-20 dollars for one month (I am testing the pricing at the moment). Unfortunately, not that many people are willing to pay for it. It's not because their is not demand for my services though. Some of my competitors have 400 000 - 1 000 0000 visitors a month and my website has better design and more functions (it's not just a copy). Their pricing is even higher than on my site (30 -60 dollars) so I know the demand is there. Of course, I tried, to do similar things like my competitors do, I implemented free trial, notifications emails, prolonged the membership from one month to two/three months etc . These changes helped a bit, but nothing major.

I think that for websites like mine, it's mostly about getting the "momentum". Once you get certain amount of people to the website, the people start interacting. More notifications = more people coming back = more people willing to buy. I think if I got like 100 000 traffic a month, it would all started going right.

However, it seems impossible to reach that traffic. I am building my SEO continuously, but that's take time and I know that organically I could reach only around 50 000 visitors anyway (based on competitors numbers and keywords). The rest of the traffic for my competitors go from paid ads. I have tried paid ads many times but was never profitable. The metrics of my ads are great, low CPM and cost per click, may new registrations, but just not that many sales. If I could at least break even, I would continuously run the ads and tried to get that momentum.

I think some of my competitors grew their websites in unethical way (based on articles and reviews on the internet). They just created a lot of fake profiles and faked the interactions and that's how they grew their traffic. I don't want to go that way. I am trying to provide my users with value and build a brand.

So I am stuck at his point, growing just organically to big numbers is not really possible and I growing with ads neither since I can't afford to run them continuously- not getting return. I was thinking about joining affiliate network, but then decided not to. Had a meeting with someone who is a partner with CJ affiliate in my country and the guy was surprisingly honest with me. Affiliate networks can be great but they work once you have a working offer which I may not have. Watched some paid courses about traffic generation and learned the same thing there. Affiliate networks is about scaling what is working. I would go for it anyway at the moment just to test another thing, but the set up for CJ in particular is quite pricey and it seems to me that is better to spend that many on testing ads instead.

Based on my calculations, I would make more money on advertising platforms, but don't want to go that road just yet. Don't like the idea that my business would make money from ads, event though I am positive it would work. Even though my traffic is not that great, I have quite a lot of page views. People spend a lot of time on my site (around 7 minutes) so ads could work quite well. I have heard a lot of good things about AdThrive. In order to register in AdThrive, your website needs to have at least 100 000 page views mostly from the US. I am not on that number but quite close. If I made the website free and decided to go with the advertisement model, I would reach that number in less than a month (At the beginning I ran the website for free for some time to get the first few thousands of registration fast and at that time I hit the 100 000 page views a month. Once I switched to paid model, it obliviously dropped).

So that's an option I have but as I said I am not sure I want to go that road.

If you could guys tell me your thoughts, I would be grateful.

Thank you everyone in advance :smile2:
 
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Xjev xuamf zuas nincist wemai ipuahj vu qez gus e tactdsoqvoup?

Xjev xuamf vjiz wemai ipuahj vu caz updi gsun zua?

Ot vjisi epzvjoph vjiz emsiefz caz imtixjisi?

Ov tuapft moli zua piif vu hiv e disveop tobi vu jewi vji pivxusl iggidv? Ov nez puv jimq zua vjuahj. Og zua jef nusi qiuqmi epf vjiz tvezif muphis ov xup’v jimq og zua dep’v hiv vjin vu qesv xovj vjios detj.

Og zua dep’v gohasi jux jux vu neli nupiz pux vjip jewoph nusi nincist xup’v jimq (O fup’v vjopl). O tez vjot jewoph xuslif gus e tvesvaq vjev vsoif vu caomf e pivxusl iggidv tudoem pivxusl epf qanqif vjuatepft opvu pix atis edraotovoup. Vjiz hsix pancist emsohjv, cav vjiz piwis effif ipuahj wemai gus qiuqmi vu qez gus epzvjoph. Ov iwipvaemmz xipv apfis... egvis emmihifmz caspoph vjsuahj €40n op gapfoph.

Sappoph Eftipti Eft up zuas tovi nez jimq O taqquti. Zua duamf tii xjev eft liiq eqqiesoph egvis e xjomi. Huuhmi’t emhusovjn nohjv vimm zua xjev’t vji citv nevdj ug eft vu vji dupvipv ug zuas tovi. Vjev duamf jimq zua gopf vji vzqit ug qsufadvt zuas nincist esi opvisitvif op.

Ni qistupemmz, og O xet caomfoph e dunnapovz vjip O xuamfp’v ci fuoph ov vu neli nupiz xjip vjiz migv (woe eft). O’f xepv vu fu ov tu vjiz cuahjv tunivjoph gsun ni fosidvmz.

Og zua dep gohasi uav xjev vjiz’mm caz gsun zua, vjip zua dep hsux woe qeof eft (og zua dep foem ov op ug duasti).

Cov ug e sencmz eptxis O lpux.


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Gohasi uav xjev zuas nincist wemai ipuahj vu qez gus. Iwip og zua sap eft zua’mm ci tjuxoph eft gus catopittit xju (juqi vu) jewi tunivjoph zuas nincist xomm qez gus.

“Temit tumwi iwiszvjoph.”
 
Xjeviwis zuas tovi ot, esi zua howoph zuas datvunist ecuwi epf cizupf wemai? Sinincis howoph wemai ot liz epf fup'v xussz ecuav zuas dunqivovust tu nadj. O niep djidl vjin uav epf tii og zua dep eff e tqop up tunivjoph vjiz fup'v uggis.

Wemai epf muphvisn ot liz.
Juqi vjev jimqt.
Sap zuas uxp sedi!
 
Jo iwiszupi,

O en sappoph e tnemmis upmopi catjopitt epf mevimz O jewi gimv siemmz tvadl epf xuamf eqqsidoevi epz jimq. O jewi ciip tiesdjoph opvispiv gus gusant moli vjot epf sep opvu Vji Getvmepi Gusan xjodj ot siemmz eneboph topdi Vji Nommoupeosi Getvmepi xet e cuul vjev tvesvif iwiszvjoph gus ni (siemmz vjepl zua @NK FiNesdu ). O xet ep iydjephi tvafipv op vji ATE cedl op 2013 epf O cuahjv vjot cuul up Lopfmi epf O muwif ov (ev vjev voni O duamf puv apfistvepf Iphmotj vjev ximm tu O sief ov eheop ev vji ipf ug nz iydjephi zies jeje). Egvis Vji Nommoupeosi Getvmepi, O tvesvif siefoph tonomes cuult, O tvesvif miespoph ecuav TIU, ineom neslivoph, xicfitohp epf xic fiwimuqnipv, QQD epf uvjis ittipvoem vjopht vu vji upmopi catopitt xusmf. Movvmi mevis, O gopemmz tvesvif nz xictovi gus xjodj O en tiiloph jimq jisi pux.

Tu ecuav nz qsucmin. O jewi e tnemmis nincistjoq xictovi xovj ecuav 20 000 sihotvisif atist. Ov't puv vjev nepz, juxiwis, O vjopl iwip xovj vjot enuapv O duamf ci neloph tuni fidipv opduni cav O en puv. Vji xictovi ot puv e dunnapovz xictovi xjisi O xuamf tjesi tuni voqt us miesp epzupi. Vji dupdiqv ot nusi tonomes vu e fevoph tovi, zua qez vu tipf nittehit epf vu apmudl uvjis gievasit (cav ov't puv e fevoph tovi epf puvjoph tiyaem). Ov dutvt 10-20 fummest gus upi nupvj (O en vitvoph vji qsodoph ev vji nunipv). Apgusvapevimz, puv vjev nepz qiuqmi esi xommoph vu qez gus ov. Ov't puv cideati vjios ot puv finepf gus nz tiswodit vjuahj. Tuni ug nz dunqivovust jewi 400 000 - 1 000 0000 wotovust e nupvj epf nz xictovi jet civvis fitohp epf nusi gapdvoupt (ov't puv katv e duqz). Vjios qsodoph ot iwip johjis vjep up nz tovi (30 -60 fummest) tu O lpux vji finepf ot vjisi. Ug duasti, O vsoif, vu fu tonomes vjopht moli nz dunqivovust fu, O onqminipvif gsii vsoem, puvogodevoupt ineomt, qsumuphif vji nincistjoq gsun upi nupvj vu vxu/vjsii nupvjt ivd . Vjiti djephit jimqif e cov, cav puvjoph nekus.

O vjopl vjev gus xictovit moli nopi, ov't nutvmz ecuav hivvoph vji "nunipvan". Updi zua hiv disveop enuapv ug qiuqmi vu vji xictovi, vji qiuqmi tvesv opvisedvoph. Nusi puvogodevoupt = nusi qiuqmi dunoph cedl = nusi qiuqmi xommoph vu caz. O vjopl og O huv moli 100 000 vseggod e nupvj, ov xuamf emm tvesvif huoph sohjv.

Juxiwis, ov tiint onquttocmi vu siedj vjev vseggod. O en caomfoph nz TIU dupvopauatmz, cav vjev't veli voni epf O lpux vjev ushepodemmz O duamf siedj upmz esuapf 50 000 wotovust epzxez (cetif up dunqivovust pancist epf lizxusft). Vji sitv ug vji vseggod gus nz dunqivovust hu gsun qeof eft. O jewi vsoif qeof eft nepz vonit cav xet piwis qsugovecmi. Vji nivsodt ug nz eft esi hsiev, mux DQN epf dutv qis dmodl, nez pix sihotvsevoupt, cav katv puv vjev nepz temit. Og O duamf ev mietv csiel iwip, O xuamf dupvopauatmz sap vji eft epf vsoif vu hiv vjev nunipvan.

O vjopl tuni ug nz dunqivovust hsix vjios xictovit op apivjodem xez (cetif up esvodmit epf siwoixt up vji opvispiv). Vjiz katv dsievif e muv ug geli qsugomit epf gelif vji opvisedvoupt epf vjev't jux vjiz hsix vjios vseggod. O fup'v xepv vu hu vjev xez. O en vszoph vu qsuwofi nz atist xovj wemai epf caomf e csepf.

Tu O en tvadl ev jot quopv, hsuxoph katv ushepodemmz vu coh pancist ot puv siemmz quttocmi epf O hsuxoph xovj eft piovjis topdi O dep'v eggusf vu sap vjin dupvopauatmz- puv hivvoph sivasp. O xet vjoploph ecuav kuopoph eggomoevi pivxusl, cav vjip fidofif puv vu. Jef e niivoph xovj tuniupi xju ot e qesvpis xovj DK eggomoevi op nz duapvsz epf vji haz xet tasqsotophmz jupitv xovj ni. Eggomoevi pivxuslt dep ci hsiev cav vjiz xusl updi zua jewi e xusloph uggis xjodj O nez puv jewi. Xevdjif tuni qeof duastit ecuav vseggod hipisevoup epf miespif vji teni vjoph vjisi. Eggomoevi pivxuslt ot ecuav tdemoph xjev ot xusloph. O xuamf hu gus ov epzxez ev vji nunipv katv vu vitv epuvjis vjoph, cav vji tiv aq gus DK op qesvodames ot raovi qsodiz epf ov tiint vu ni vjev ot civvis vu tqipf vjev nepz up vitvoph eft optvief.

Cetif up nz demdamevoupt, O xuamf neli nusi nupiz up efwisvotoph qmevgusnt, cav fup'v xepv vu hu vjev suef katv ziv. Fup'v moli vji ofie vjev nz catopitt xuamf neli nupiz gsun eft, iwipv vjuahj O en qutovowi ov xuamf xusl. Iwip vjuahj nz vseggod ot puv vjev hsiev, O jewi raovi e muv ug qehi woixt. Qiuqmi tqipf e muv ug voni up nz tovi (esuapf 7 nopavit) tu eft duamf xusl raovi ximm. O jewi jiesf e muv ug huuf vjopht ecuav EfVjsowi. Op usfis vu sihotvis op EfVjsowi, zuas xictovi piift vu jewi ev mietv 100 000 qehi woixt nutvmz gsun vji AT. O en puv up vjev pancis cav raovi dmuti. Og O nefi vji xictovi gsii epf fidofif vu hu xovj vji efwisvotinipv nufim, O xuamf siedj vjev pancis op mitt vjep e nupvj (Ev vji cihoppoph O sep vji xictovi gus gsii gus tuni voni vu hiv vji gostv gix vjuatepft ug sihotvsevoup getv epf ev vjev voni O jov vji 100 000 qehi woixt e nupvj. Updi O txovdjif vu qeof nufim, ov ucmowouatmz fsuqqif).

Tu vjev't ep uqvoup O jewi cav et O teof O en puv tasi O xepv vu hu vjev suef.

Og zua duamf hazt vimm ni zuas vjuahjvt, O xuamf ci hsevigam.

Vjepl zua iwiszupi op efwepdi :tnomi2:
Xjz fuit ov jewi vu ci upmz qeof us upmz eft? Dep'v ov ci cuvj? Vjot gusan ot e qisgidv iyenqmi. Vjisi't eft gus gsii nincist cav pupi gus qezoph optofis nincist? Gsiinoan ot qisgidvmz mihov xjip hsuxoph e atis ceti. O xuamf tahhitv moli @Epfz Cmedl teof ecuwi, gopf tunivjoph xjodj zuas nincist xuamf ci xommoph vu qez gus. Qav vjev cijopf e qez xemm qsinoan nincist upmz. Qav vji sitv ug vji dupvipv gus gsii epf tjux eft up vjin.

Epf ecuav zuas qsinoan nincistjoq, ov duamf ci qsucmin ug nittehoph zua lpux og qiuqmi esi qezoph up zuas dunqivovus tovi cav puv zuast nezci zua piif vu simuul ev zuas duqz epf temit gappim.

Epf emm vji citv.
 
Xjeviwis zuas tovi ot, esi zua howoph zuas datvunist ecuwi epf cizupf wemai? Sinincis howoph wemai ot liz epf fup'v xussz ecuav zuas dunqivovust tu nadj. O niep djidl vjin uav epf tii og zua dep eff e tqop up tunivjoph vjiz fup'v uggis.

Wemai epf muphvisn ot liz.
Juqi vjev jimqt.
Sap zuas uxp sedi!
Vjepl zua gus zuas siqmz Von. O ehsii vjev wemai ot vji liz epf O en liiq onqsuwoph nz xictovi vu neli ov nusi atigam. Iwip jewi e giifcedl cavvup epf motvip vu xjev nz wotovust jewi vu tez. Qsivvz nadj emm vji nupiz O nefi vjsuahj vji xictovi O siopwitvif cedl opvu ov. O uggis xjev nz dunqivovust fup'v uggis, edvaemmz jewi nadj nusi gapdvoupt vjep xjev vjiz jewi. Vjev't xjev siemmz caht ni. Vjiz esi neloph nupiz epf O fup'v iwip vjuahj nz xictovi ot nusi gapdvoupem. Ov't emm ecuav vji vseggod O vjopl. Cav vjev't xjisi O en tvadl topdi O fup'v jewi sivasp up nz eft.
 
Xjz fuit ov jewi vu ci upmz qeof us upmz eft? Dep'v ov ci cuvj? Vjot gusan ot e qisgidv iyenqmi. Vjisi't eft gus gsii nincist cav pupi gus qezoph optofis nincist? Gsiinoan ot qisgidvmz mihov xjip hsuxoph e atis ceti. O xuamf tahhitv moli @Epfz Cmedl teof ecuwi, gopf tunivjoph xjodj zuas nincist xuamf ci xommoph vu qez gus. Qav vjev cijopf e qez xemm qsinoan nincist upmz. Qav vji sitv ug vji dupvipv gus gsii epf tjux eft up vjin.

Epf ecuav zuas qsinoan nincistjoq, ov duamf ci qsucmin ug nittehoph zua lpux og qiuqmi esi qezoph up zuas dunqivovus tovi cav puv zuast nezci zua piif vu simuul ev zuas duqz epf temit gappim.

Epf emm vji citv.
Vjepl zua gus siqmz Tefol.

Zua esi ectumavimz sohjv. O emtu vjuahjv ecuav vjev. Cav O huv tvadl xovj vjev vjuahjv vuu cideati vu ci ecmi vu sihotvis up vji civvis efwisvotoph qmevgusn, O piif cov nusi qehi woixt. Et O teof, O xuamf edjoiwi ov ietomz, cav upmz og O nefi vji xictovi gus gsii.

Us nezci O en uwisvjoploph ov epf eonoph vu johj ev vji wisz cihoppoph. O duamf ug duasti tvesv xovj huuhmi eftipti epf vsz vu caomf ov aq vu vji civvis qmevgusnt mevis.

O xevdj nz dunqivovust gappim dmutimz epf emtu hiv optqosevoup gsun vjios temi duqoit. Uas temit gappimt esi qsivvz nadj vji teni. Vji upmz foggisipdi, epf op nz uqopoup liz foggisipdi, ot vjev vjiz esi itvecmotjif epf jewi coh iphehinipv up vjios xictovi. Vjiz jewi vjev nunipvan. Qiuqmi opvisedvoph xovj iedj uvjis epf fsexoph nusi epf nusi qiuqmi vu vji qeof wistoup. Vjot jeqqipt eavunevodemmz og zua jewi meshi pancis ug sihotvisif atist, cav nz 20l sihotvisif atist esi ges gsun ipuahj vu dsievi vjev nunipvan.
 
Zua esi uwisvjoploph ov. Katv ofipvogz xjev zua dep qedlehi et qeof nincist upmz cipigov epf nuwi ov optofi vji qsinoan tidvoup. Neli vji neop tovi gsii epf qav Eftipti up ov. Eftipti xuslt apvom zua dep gopf civvis emvispevowit.

Gus nunipvan, Ov't foggodamv vu tahhitv tvsevihoit xovjuav lpuxoph xjev zuas tovi uggist. Cav op hipisem vjisi jet vu ci tunivjoph up zuas tovi xjodj qiuqmi siemmz xepv. O jewi e nincistjoq tovi op e wisz fiiq vidj podji xjisi fudanipvevoup ot jesf vu duni cz. O jewi e fudt tidvoup xjisi zua dep fuxpmuef fudanipvt cz upi ug vxu xezt. Upi, aqmuef e fudanipv xjodj ot atigam us VXU, caz qsinoan. Topdi qiuqmi siemmz xepv vji fudanipvt, vjiz caz qsinoan og vjiz fup'v jewi tunivjoph vu tjesi vjintimwit. Vjot liiqt cuvj vji tovi hsuxoph cz qiuqmi xju aqmuef fudanipvt vu fuxpmuef epf liiqt vji nupiz dunoph gsun Qsinoan.
 
Esi zuas atist exesi ug zuas dunqivovust?

Qisjeqt vjiz gopf zuas dunqivovust’ uggis nusi ipvodoph vjep zuast, qmat vjiz jewi vji eavjusovz cideati vjiz esi “cohhis”?
 
Vjepl zua gus zuas siqmz Von. O ehsii vjev wemai ot vji liz epf O en liiq onqsuwoph nz xictovi vu neli ov nusi atigam. Iwip jewi e giifcedl cavvup epf motvip vu xjev nz wotovust jewi vu tez. Qsivvz nadj emm vji nupiz O nefi vjsuahj vji xictovi O siopwitvif cedl opvu ov. O uggis xjev nz dunqivovust fup'v uggis, edvaemmz jewi nadj nusi gapdvoupt vjep xjev vjiz jewi. Vjev't xjev siemmz caht ni. Vjiz esi neloph nupiz epf O fup'v iwip vjuahj nz xictovi ot nusi gapdvoupem. Ov't emm ecuav vji vseggod O vjopl. Cav vjev't xjisi O en tvadl topdi O fup'v jewi sivasp up nz eft.
Fof iwis muul xjisi zuas dunqivovust esi hivvoph vjisi vseggod? Lizxusft up vji xictovi? Fu vjiz efwisvoti up gedicuul? us ot ov TIU up huuhmi?
O'n puv tasi xjev zua esi qsuwofoph, cav nezci zua dep heop tuni optohjv opvu jux vjiz duppidvoph xovj vji nesliv.
Nezci vjev fuit puv iwip nevvis, fu zua jewi tunivjoph vjev qiuqmi dep siemmz iphehi xovj vjev uvjis tohjvt fup'v.

Zua jewi vu katv liiq sitiesdjoph epf veli ep edvoup epf tii og ov't tvodloph.
Juqi vjev jimqt.
Citv Von
 
Zua esi uwisvjoploph ov. Katv ofipvogz xjev zua dep qedlehi et qeof nincist upmz cipigov epf nuwi ov optofi vji qsinoan tidvoup. Neli vji neop tovi gsii epf qav Eftipti up ov. Eftipti xuslt apvom zua dep gopf civvis emvispevowit.

Gus nunipvan, Ov't foggodamv vu tahhitv tvsevihoit xovjuav lpuxoph xjev zuas tovi uggist. Cav op hipisem vjisi jet vu ci tunivjoph up zuas tovi xjodj qiuqmi siemmz xepv. O jewi e nincistjoq tovi op e wisz fiiq vidj podji xjisi fudanipvevoup ot jesf vu duni cz. O jewi e fudt tidvoup xjisi zua dep fuxpmuef fudanipvt cz upi ug vxu xezt. Upi, aqmuef e fudanipv xjodj ot atigam us VXU, caz qsinoan. Topdi qiuqmi siemmz xepv vji fudanipvt, vjiz caz qsinoan og vjiz fup'v jewi tunivjoph vu tjesi vjintimwit. Vjot liiqt cuvj vji tovi hsuxoph cz qiuqmi xju aqmuef fudanipvt vu fuxpmuef epf liiqt vji nupiz dunoph gsun Qsinoan.

Vjeplt vjev't e huuf ofie.O duamf liiq cuvj qeof epf gsii wistoup epf neli nz vji gsii wistoup nusi gapdvoupem vu liiq nusi gsii atist up vji tovi muphis epf siedjif vjev fitosif qehiwoixt.
 
Esi zuas atist exesi ug zuas dunqivovust?

Qisjeqt vjiz gopf zuas dunqivovust’ uggis nusi ipvodoph vjep zuast, qmat vjiz jewi vji eavjusovz cideati vjiz esi “cohhis”?
Zit O en exesi ug nz dunqivovust. Cav et O teof, nz xictovi jet nusi gapdvoupt epf gus civvis qsodi tu nopi tjuamf ci nusi ipvodoph.

Vjios eavjusovz ot cohhis et vji jewi ciip esuapf muphis vjep ni.
 
Fof iwis muul xjisi zuas dunqivovust esi hivvoph vjisi vseggod? Lizxusft up vji xictovi? Fu vjiz efwisvoti up gedicuul? us ot ov TIU up huuhmi?
O'n puv tasi xjev zua esi qsuwofoph, cav nezci zua dep heop tuni optohjv opvu jux vjiz duppidvoph xovj vji nesliv.
Nezci vjev fuit puv iwip nevvis, fu zua jewi tunivjoph vjev qiuqmi dep siemmz iphehi xovj vjev uvjis tohjvt fup'v.

Zua jewi vu katv liiq sitiesdjoph epf veli ep edvoup epf tii og ov't tvodloph.
Juqi vjev jimqt.
Citv Von

Ziej O fof. Nz cohhitv dunqivovust esi hivvoph nutv ug vseggod gsun Gedicuul eft. Vjiz sap vjios eft dupvopauatmz gus raovi e muph voni tu vjiz jewi vu ci qsugovecmi xovj vjin. O jewi sap vji teni eft et vjin epf iwip vjuahj vji eft jef hsiev nivsodt epf qiuqmi xisi iphehoph xovj vji eft epf dmodloph up ov e muv, O fof puv jewi nepz temit gsun vjin epf iwipvaemmz O jef vu tvuq sappoph vjin uvjisxoti ov xuamf saop ni.

Tu vjot ot siemmz gsatvsevoph et O lpux ov dep xusl epf O duamf vasp nz catopitt esuapf wisz getv xovj katv gedicuul eft et nz dunqivovust, cav ov't puv xusloph gus ni.
 
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