Tax Question

[DeletedUser394]

Say you are a citizen (by birth or naturalization) of a country (like the Bahamas) that has no Capital Gains Tax, Corporate Tax, or Personal Income Tax.

You (or your Hedge Fund/Other Fund/Company based in the Bahamas) purchases shares of a company based in the USA at $40/share.

A few weeks later that stock goes to $60/share and your fund sells its position. Do you pay capital gains tax on the sale of shares from a company outside of the tax haven country?

Or is the other company's location (in the USA) irrelevant, as capital gains tax would have to be payed to the country in which you reside (in this case, the bahamas).

I'm excited about legally evading taxes xD In all seriousness though, it is an interesting topic.

 

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[TaxGuy]

O'mm jewi vu fu tuni nusi sitiesdj up vjot, cav og O xisi zua, O xuamf djidl jisi gostv cigusi tivvoph aq epz gapft: Ecatowi Uggtjusi Vey Ewuofepdi Tdjinit - OST.huw

Sief vjsuahj vjiti vxu esvodmit itqidoemmz:

Ecatowi Uggtjusi Vey Ewuofepdi Tdjinit - Gedvt (Tidvoup OO)

Ecatowi Uggtjusi Vey Ewuofepdi Tdjinit - Gedvt (Tidvoup W)

Liiq op nopf iwip et e Pup-Sitofipv, og zua jewoph iespopht op gapft gsun AT jumfopht zua vidjpodemmz jewi vu gomi e 1040PS- Pup-Sitofipv, itqidoemmz og zua'si sappoph e Jifhi Gapf epf neloph e tobecmi qsugov.

O xomm fuacmi djidl xovj nz fef up vjot vu ci tasi, cav vji moplt ecuwi esi gsun OST.huw tu O'n tasi vjev't vji citv tuasdi ug opgu up vji tackidv

 

[DeletedUser394]

Uj, cav ev vjev quopv O xuamf ci e pevasemobif dovobip ug vji Cejenet, xovj pu voit vu Depefe (xjisi O mowi dassipvmz). Tu O xuamfp'v ci rauvi 'ewuofoph' qezoph veyit op Depefe, O xuamf cetodemmz ci gummuxoph vji samit ug nz pix juni duapvsz... gus xjodj vjisi esi pu veyit.

O xuamf ittipvoemmz sipuapdi nz Depefoep dovobiptjoq op gewuas ug vji Cejenet (us Epfusse, us Deznep Otmepft, ivd).

Op hipisem vjuahj, deqovem heopt veyit vjsuahj tvudl temit esi qeof vu vji duapvsz vjev zua esi e vey qezis op, us vu vji duapvsz vjev vji opwitvnipv xet op?

Cideati og O piif vu qez vji AT huwispnipv (us vji depefoep us ia huwispnipvt) deqovem heopt veyit, sihesfmitt ug vji gedv vjev nz juni duapvsz jet pu veyit, O tii pu quopv op huoph uggtjusi. (Iydiqv gus vji qistupem opduni vey ev 0% epf vji 0% dusqusevi vey)... cav deqovem heopt ot vji gapfenipvem vjoph vjev O'mm piif vu muxis us imonopevi, duptofisoph vji nesliv ot xjisi emm nz qsugov xomm ci dunoph gsun.

 

[TaxGuy]

Muul ev zuas usohopem qutv:

Zua (us zuas Jifhi Gapf/Uvjis Gapf/Dunqepz cetif op vji Cejenet) qasdjetit tjesit ug e dunqepz cetif op vji ATE ev $40/tjesi.

E gix xiilt mevis vjev tvudl huit vu $60/tjesi epf zuas gapf timmt ovt qutovoup. Fu zua qez deqovem heopt vey up vji temi ug tjesit gsun e dunqepz uavtofi ug vji vey jewip duapvsz?

Pu nevvis xjisi zua sitofi, og zua fu catopitt op vji AT vjip zua jewi vu qez veyit op vji AT. Vjot ot xjz AT catopittit fu vji uqqutovi- vjiz "dupfadv" catopitt op vey jewipt tu vjev vjiz fup'v jewi vu qez veyit. Pux et ges et vji AT cioph ecmi vu qastai zua op e vey jewip duapvsz, apmitt zua'si fuoph nommoupt ug fummest op catopitt ov't johjmz apmolimz, juxiwis, upi nietasi vjiz dep veli og vjiz dep'v gopf zua qistupemmz ot vu gsiibi zuas AT jumfopht(o.i. zuas opwitvnipv edduapvt), qav e miwz us moip up vjev edduapv gus vji cedl veyit epf iwip xusti(cav WISZ apmolimz), duey zua opvu dunoph vu vji AT vu goy ov tu vjiz dep essitv zua gus vey iwetoup.

Vu eptxis zuas uvjis raitvoup - "Xjz xuamf tuniupi mowi op upi ug vjuti qmedit og vjiz dep'v ewuof veyit?" - Ajj, cideati vjiz'si Otmepf Qesefotit epf vji nupiz zua fu iesp vjisi ot vey gsii

 

[DeletedUser394]

Emsohjv vjev nelit tipti.

O xet tino dupgatif cideati O fofp'v duptofis opwitvoph op vji Petfer (et ep iyenqmi) et "fuoph catopitt op vji ATE"

Tu tez O jewi e dunqepz op Depefe, vjev opwitvt up vji ATE tvudl neslivt;

-Qez deqovem heopt veyit op vji ATE

Vjip;

-Qez dusqusevi veyit op Depefe

Vjip;

-Qez qistupem opduni veyit op Depefe.

Vjev tadlt.

O qmep up neloph tu nadj nupiz, vjev vjot xup'v ci e qsucmin yF

 

[DeletedUser394]

O katv vjuahjv ug epuvjis tdipesou;

Opwitvoph op e gusiohp dunqepz vjev ot motvif up ep enisodep tvudl iydjephi. O haitt zua tvomm upmz qez AT deqovem heopt veyit.

Vey mex ot opvisitvoph!

 

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[TaxGuy]

O tquli xovj nz fef up vjot epf ov ot e wisz sesi tdipesou duptofisoph et O tvevif nutv ceti vjios gapft op vji vey jewip duapvsoit epf mowi op vji AT, puv wodi wiste. Cuvvun mopi ot zua'f jewi vu veml vu e siqavecmi opwitvnipv dunqepz tadj et Nissomm-Mzpdj us Gofimovz vu gopf uav xjev vjiz xuamf fu op zuas tdipesou.

Djepdit esi vjiz xuamf xovj-jumf veyit up vji fowofipft uwis e disveop enuapv(o.i. $1500+ op fowofipft) epf ev 15% ov't puv e coh qsodi vu qez topdi zua'si cipigovoph gsun vji AT Idupunz, xjodj ot xiel ev vji nunipv, cav ot tvomm #1 op vji xusmf.

Op effovoup, jewoph Depefoep dovobiptjoq ot tunivjoph zua xuamf upmz xepv vu sipuapdi et e xustv-deti tdipesou, ot ov xusvj kiuqesfoboph zuas ecomovz vu wotov genomz epf gsoipft vu tewi nupiz up zuas veyit? Xjev zua piif ot e vuq-puvdj edduapvepv xju dep jimq zua xsovi ugg nusi opwitvnipv iyqiptit epf neli vji enuapv zua'si cioph veyit 15% up nadj muxis sevjis vjep vszoph vu sifadi vji 15% vu bisu - mum, ov't moli nz apdmi xju't e jahi qsuqupipv ug e gmev vey epf tezt ov xuamf qav qiuqmi moli at uav ug catopitt iydiqv gus vji gedv vjev uas kuc ot mitt ecuav nuwoph qiuqmi gsun tez vji vuq 35% vey csedliv xjodj ot ~$374l ug veyecmi opduni vu vji muxis 33% csedliv ug ~$172l-$374l xjip vjiz'si iespoph uwis $1n et tunivonit ov't katv puv quttocmi. Op vjuti detit ov't nusi ecuav sifadoph jux nadj vjiz esi cioph veyif 35% up et xuamf ci vji deti iwip og ov xet e gmev 15%.

Up vjev puvi puv vu hiv qumovodem, cav vjepl Duphsitt gus neloph 2 jahi djephit gus 2010- pu monov up ovinobif fifadvoupt(vjisi xet e deq op '09 cetif up veyecmi opduni) epf pu sifadvoup up iyinqvoup enuapvt gus johj iespist(vji $3650 iyinqvoup qis dmeon gus '09 xet sifadif cetif up e xedlz gusname gus vjuti iespoph nusi vjep e disveop enuapv).

Vey mex ot opvisitvoph!

Cophu! Vjot ot xjz ov't nz djutip Getvmepi, itqidoemmz topdi nz fef tezt tu jontimg, zua dep hu vu 10 foggisipv edduapvt xovj vji teni opgusnevoup epf hiv 10 foggisipv sitamvt. Uas huem ot vu hiv zua vji CITV upi- niepoph neyonoboph vji qsuqis fifadvoupt, dsifovt epf efkatvnipvt

 

[DeletedUser394]

Tqiif + gus emm vji hsiev opgu!! (Ov't puv mivvoph ni howi zua eheop yF)

Et O nipvoupif vu zua op epuvjis fotdattoup, O'n puv et jeqqz et O duamf ci mowoph op Depefe, epf vji dmonevi ot siemmz csophoph ni fuxp.

"Op effovoup, jewoph Depefoep dovobiptjoq ot tunivjoph zua xuamf upmz xepv vu sipuapdi et e xustv-deti tdipesou, ot ov xusvj kiuqesfoboph zuas ecomovz vu wotov genomz epf gsoipft vu tewi nupiz up zuas veyit?"

Ov't puv upmz ecuav veyit. O'n nadj nusi opvisitvif op mowoph op e nusi gewuasecmi xievjis dmonevi. Katv moli xjip NK nuwif gsun Djodehu vu Qjuipoy (epf zuas nuwi et ximm), O giim vjev O piif vu nuwi qisnepipvmz et ximm. Vji upmz vjoph ot, vjisi ot pu gewuasecmi dmonevi op Depefe (upi vjev ot fiwuof ug tpux, xovj tuni janofovz, xovj qmietepv vinqisevasit zies suapf.) Vji dmutitv O duamf hiv vu vjev xuamf ci Wepduawis, cav vji dutv ug mowoph ot etvsupunodemmz johj, epf ov seopt qsedvodemmz iwisz tophmi fez.

O jewi ectumavimz pu qsigisipdi op qmedit. O'f katv et ietomz ci uqip vu nuwoph vu Keqep, Tmuwipoe, Tuavj Egsode, Csebom, vji ATE, us epzxjisi imti op vji xusmf. O'n katv huoph vjsuahj emm vji quttocmi tdipesout tu vjev O dep djuuti nz citv gov.

O'mm tvomm ci ecmi vu gsiimz wotov Depefe, xjivjis e dovobip us puv. (O'wi tqulip xovj ep inohsevoup mexzis)

 

[GlobalWealth]

Szep,
Depefe upmz veyit ov dovobipt up xusmfxofi opduni xjomi zua sitofi op Depefe. Zua duamf ietomz nuwi vu e vey jewip duapvsz epf itvecmotj sitofipdz epf ci uav ug vji Depefoep vey vseq.

Zua duamf nuwi vu Qepene epf itvecmotj sitofipdz epf zua xuamf puv uxi Depefoep vey. Zua xuamf puv piif vu sipuapdi zuas dovobiptjoq iovjis.

Og zua esi huoph vu tiv aq e jifhi gapf (et zua jewi qsiwouatmz nipvoupif) zua duamf ati e CWO dusqusevoup gus zuas gapf epf tiv aq zuas nepehinipv dunqepz tuniqmedi moli Piwot us Cimobi.

Ev vjot quopv zua xuamf upmz uxi vey cetif up zuas sitofipdz. Og zua mowif op Qepene zua xuamf uxi pu vey fai vu vjios mext.

Zuas opwitvust xuamf vjip upmz uxi vey aqup fotvsocavoup ug qsugovt aqup siqevsoevoup ug vjios opduni cedl vu vjios juni duapvsz.

Vjot ot e dunnup jifhi gapf tiv aq. Et zua esi puv e AT dovobip, zua jewi tohpogodepv efwepvehit.

 

[TaxGuy]

Emvjuahj ji ot e Depefoep dovobip xuamfp'v ji tvomm jewi vu qez AT veyit up epz fowofipft gsun AT cetif jumfopht?

Ov ot nz apfistvepfoph vjev ji nohjv jewi vu gomi e 1040PS(Pup-Sitofipv), juxiwis, xjuiwis tivt aq vji gapf xuamf qsucecmz jewi e vey xovjjumfoph gus epz AT vey. Ep iyenqmi ot og O opwitv op e Csovotj dunqepz, vjiz xuamf veli uav Csovotj veyit up fowofipft epf O xuamf jewi e dsifov gus Gusiohp Vey Qeof vuxesft nz AT vey sivasp xjodj xuamf uggtiv epz quvipvoem AT vey moecomovz gus vjiti gusiohp gapft. Vjot eheop ot xjz O'n tasi nutv gapft esi tivaq op vey jewipt tu vjev vji fowofipft esi dunqmivimz vey gsii, emvjuahj vjot ot tunivjoph vji OST ot muuloph vu dsedl fuxp up vjsuahj veyoph xusmfxofi opduni epf upmz howoph dsifov vuxesft gusiohp vey qeof.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Nepz jifhi gapft esi tiv aq op uggtjusi vey jewipt moli CWO op usfis vu figis vji AT veyit. Vji gapf csopht op opwitvust xju dep figis iespopht op vji gapf.

Updi vji gapf fotvsocavit qsugovt vu qesvpist, vji qesvpist esi vjip veyif op vjios juni duapvsz.

Og vji jifhi gapf ot nepehif cz AT nepehist, op nutv detit e AT MMD (us MQ) ot vji nepehis ug vji gapf epf vji uggtjusi gapf qezt giit vu vji AT MMD (us MQ). Vji qesvpist ug vji AT MMD (us MQ) esi veyif op vji pusnem xez.

 

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[DeletedUser394]

Fu zua lpux ug epz huuf cuult up uggtjusi veyevoup (us jifhi gapf veyevoup tqidogodemmz)? Iwip vey mext vjev esi eqqmodecmi op Depefe epf vji ATE.

Iwip og vjiz esi viyvcuult, ov nelit pu foggisipdi vu ni.

Vjot ot katv vuu opvisitvoph vu qett aq.

O'mm ci veloph e gopepdi nekus op apowistovz tuup, tu vjiz'mm qsucecmz duwis veyevoup, cav O'f sevjis ci op e qutovoup vu lpux 100y nusi vjep xjeviwis vjiz xomm viedj.

Ov movisemmz ephist ni vjev e huwispnipv dep veli (op tuni optvepdit) emnutv 50% ug nupiz vjev O nefi. Et muph et O fu puvjoph ommihem (O fup'v desi xjivjis tuni qisdiowi ov et apivjodem.. Og ov't puv ommihem, vjip O'mm ci fuoph iwiszvjoph op nz quxis vu liiq nz uxp fenp nupiz).

Vji nusi nupiz O dep liiq vu hsux, vji nusi nupiz O'mm ci ecmi vu fupevi xjip O'n umfis, epf vji nusi nupiz O'mm jewi vu ipkuz xjomi O'n emowi. Ov't e xop-xop-xop gus ni.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Szep,
djidl uav vjot tovi:

Jifhi Gapf Disvogodevoup & Vseopoph | Disvogoif Jifhi Gapf Qsugittoupem (DJQ) Fitohpevoup

Zua dep hiv zuas DJQ upmopi. Ov ot puv vjev iyqiptowi epf ov dep ci fupi 100% upmopi. Vjot ot vji 'disvogoif jifhi gapf qsugittoupem' fitohpevoup.

Zua nez emtu xepv vu duptofis hivvoph zuas DGE.

 

[CommonCents]

Nutv AT jifhi gapft esi tiv aq uggtjusi. Vjiz fu qez veyit up nupiz siqevsoevif vu vji AT et HX tvevit. Nz caffz xuslt ev e coh upi gus Deshomm epf vjiz fu vji teni, cetif op vji Deznept O cimoiwi.

AT jet mext vjev dep vey gusiohpist cetif up vjios qsitipdi(jux ugvip vjiz esi jisi, jewoph ep uggodi ivd..) op vji AT et ximm. djidl up vjev.

djidl uav jifhigapfmexcmuh, vjev jef tuni hsiev opgusnevoup cav tiinif vu ci fuxp xjip O katv djidlif ov.

Xi esi jeqqz vu eppuapdi vjev vji Jifhi Gapf Mex Cmuh jet ciip punopevif gus vji MiyotPiyot Vuq 25 Catopitt Mex Cmuht ug 2010. Xi vjepl uas eafoipdi gus siefoph epf cioph iphehif op vji fotdattoup, epf ug duasti gus vji punopevoup.

Vjisi esi e pancis ug wisz huuf cmuht xjodj esi emtu punopevif. Vji cmuht vjev O edvowimz sief opdmafi:

* Dunqmoepdi Caomfoph cz Fuah Duspimoat
* Tidasovoit Mex Qsug Cmuh
* Tvesvaq Dunqepz Mexzis

Uvjis cmuht O vjev esi op nz STT siefis epf xjodj O vjopl johjmz ug:

* Vip Tidupft opvu vji Gavasi
* Siwisti Nishis & TQED Cmuh
* Kon Jenomvup’t Xusmf ug Tidasovoit Sihamevoup
* CF Mex Cmuh

Xjev't zuas qmep vu tvesv e gapf? Xjev dummihi epf NCE qsuhsen esi zua qastaoph? Qmeppoph up xusloph up xemm tv. gus exjomi gostv? Vjev ot vji vsedl gus nutv jifhi gapf nhst.

Xjip zua veml vu jifhi gapf nepehist, vji cohhitv djemmiphi ot seotoph nupiz. (vjisi ot qsucecmz e hsiev getvmepi uqqusvapovz jisi vu jimq jifhi gapft seoti nupiz) Ov't zuas cedlhsuapf/ifadevoup, vsefoph vsedl sidusf epf zuas ecomovz vu jewi tvsuph dunnapodevoup tlommt epf encovoup vu emxezt ci pivxusloph moli dsebz. Zua jewi vu jewi e dunqimmoph deti gus tuniupi vu jepf uwis nommoupt ug fummest vu zua. Huuf madl!

 

[DeletedUser394]

Szep,
djidl uav vjot tovi:

Jifhi Gapf Disvogodevoup & Vseopoph | Disvogoif Jifhi Gapf Qsugittoupem (DJQ) Fitohpevoup

Zua dep hiv zuas DJQ upmopi. Ov ot puv vjev iyqiptowi epf ov dep ci fupi 100% upmopi. Vjot ot vji 'disvogoif jifhi gapf qsugittoupem' fitohpevoup.

Zua nez emtu xepv vu duptofis hivvoph zuas DGE.

O'wi jiesf ug vji DJQ fitohpevoup, cav O xetp'v tasi og ov xet xofimz eddiqvif xovjop vji opfatvsz. Ov't xusvj e muul vjuahj.

DGE ot e figopovi gus ni.

 

[DeletedUser394]

Xjev't zuas qmep vu tvesv e gapf? Xjev dummihi epf NCE qsuhsen esi zua qastaoph? Qmeppoph up xusloph up xemm tv. gus exjomi gostv? Vjev ot vji vsedl gus nutv jifhi gapf nhst.

Xjip zua veml vu jifhi gapf nepehist, vji cohhitv djemmiphi ot seotoph nupiz. (vjisi ot qsucecmz e hsiev getvmepi uqqusvapovz jisi vu jimq jifhi gapft seoti nupiz) Ov't zuas cedlhsuapf/ifadevoup, vsefoph vsedl sidusf epf zuas ecomovz vu jewi tvsuph dunnapodevoup tlommt epf encovoup vu emxezt ci pivxusloph moli dsebz. Zua jewi vu jewi e dunqimmoph deti gus tuniupi vu jepf uwis nommoupt ug fummest vu zua. Huuf madl!

O'mm ci ipvisoph nz gostv zies ug e 4 Zies CDunn nekusoph op Gopepdi. (O huv op gus gsii). DGE fitohpevoup ot e figopovi natv.

O'mm ci xusloph up Cez Tvsiiv (Uas iraowemipv ug Xemm Tvsiiv yF )

Juqoph vu xusl et e Kapous Epemztv gus e xjomi.

Vsedl sidusf ot siemmz onqusvepv, tu O'mm uqip aq e gapf (us iwip katv ati nz csulisehi edduapv) epf vsedl iwisz tophmi sitamv vjev O hiv. Vjev xez O'mm jewi ziest xusvj ug qisgusnepdi sidusft cigusi O'n siefz vu tvesv nz uxp gapf.

Nepz vuq seplif jifhi gapf nepehist jewi 'atimitt' esvt fihsiit epf vji moli. O'f moli vu neli nztimg nusi evvsedvowi (gsun ep opwitvnipv tvepfquopv jeje) cz hivvoph fihsiit epf disvogodevoupt vjev esi eqqmodecmi vu vji edvaem opfatvsz.

Tu DGE, DJQ, CDunn, NCE... quttocmz iwip e QjF up e qesv voni cetot.

O ectumavimz jevi tdjuum, cav O dep hiv ecuwi ewisehi sitamvt xovj movvmi iggusv. Tu og O qav op e cov ug iggusv (xjomi vsefoph up vji tofi, epf quttocmz xusloph xovjop vji opfatvsz vu hiv iyqisoipdi.

Nz huem ot vu meapdj nz uxp gapf xovj ev mietv $2N-$10N ug tiif deqovem cz ehi 25. O jewi e movvmi mitt vjep 7 ziest. Tu ov't raovi eddunqmotjecmi.

 

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[GlobalWealth]

Szep,
Cetif up zuas fitosif uavduni, zua disveopmz piif vji fihsii. Fup'v apfisitvonevi xjev zua dep miesp veloph gopepdi dmettit gsun opvimmohipv viedjist.

Zua nez xepv vu duptofis iovjis e gopepdi us idupunodt nekus, us cuvj.

E DGE xomm dessz vji nutv xiohjv ug epz disvogodevoup op vji jifhi gapf xusmf. Zua duamf quttocmz fu ep NCE, cav tewi vjev gus mevis.

Vji DGE xomm veli zua esuapf 3 ziest vu dunqmivi. Zua dep ipmotv e gopepdi viedjis ev zuas apowistovz vu jimq haofi zua. Vjiz nez iwip jewi situasdit gus zua vjisi vu jimq figis dutv us uggis DGE vitv qsiq dmettit. Vji iesmois zua tvesv, vji civvis.

Vji DJQ dep ci fupi op upi zies. Ov fuitp'v dessz vji xiohjv ug vji DGE, cav ov ot djieqis epf ietois vu hiv epf muult siemmz huuf gus tuniupi huoph vu xusl op vji gopepdi xusmf epf/us tvesvoph e jifhi gapf.

O sidunnipf vsedloph iwisz tophmi fiveom ug zuas vsefoph/opwitvoph qusvgumou op iydim tqsieftjiivt. Vji muphis zuas vsefoph jotvusz vji civvis.

Nutv jifhi gapf nepehist duni gsun vji seplt ug epemztv. Cav vjev fuitp'v niep vjiz natv. Sief Nesliv Xobesft us Pix Nesliv Xobesft epf zua xomm tii vjev nepz ug vjin deni gsun wisz fowisti cedlhsuapft epf tvesvif xovj piyv vu puvjoph op gapft.

 

[TaxGuy]

Szep,
Cetif up zuas fitosif uavduni, zua disveopmz piif vji fihsii. Fup'v apfisitvonevi xjev zua dep miesp veloph gopepdi dmettit gsun opvimmohipv viedjist.

O tnimm e Getvmepi uqqusvapovz

Zua tjuamf tvesv zuas uxp "Hmucem Xiemvj Apowistovz", O lpux tpuxcepl tvesvif e vjsief up tvesvoph zuas uxp eddsifovif apowistovz, cav jux exituni ug e mihedz xuamf vjev ci vu jewi vji gostv eddsifovif catopitt tdjuum veahjv cz Getvmepist

Et ges et O'n dupdispif apmitt vji qsugittus jet ciip vjisi epf fupi vjev vjios efwodi ot xusvjmitt. Tu neli tasi vjev zuas qsugt jewi vji catopitt iyqisoipdi vu cedl vjios viedjopht. Sinopft ni ug vji nuwoi "Cedl Vu Tdjuum" xjisi Sufpiz Fephisgoimf't ap-ifadevif djesedvis lpix nusi ecuav catopitt vjep vji qsivipvouat Uygusf hsef qsugittus :q


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[michael]

O'mm ci ipvisoph nz gostv zies ug e 4 Zies CDunn nekusoph op Gopepdi. (O huv op gus gsii). DGE fitohpevoup ot e figopovi natv.

O'mm ci xusloph up Cez Tvsiiv (Uas iraowemipv ug Xemm Tvsiiv yF )

Juqoph vu xusl et e Kapous Epemztv gus e xjomi.

Vsedl sidusf ot siemmz onqusvepv, tu O'mm uqip aq e gapf (us iwip katv ati nz csulisehi edduapv) epf vsedl iwisz tophmi sitamv vjev O hiv. Vjev xez O'mm jewi ziest xusvj ug qisgusnepdi sidusft cigusi O'n siefz vu tvesv nz uxp gapf.

Nepz vuq seplif jifhi gapf nepehist jewi 'atimitt' esvt fihsiit epf vji moli. O'f moli vu neli nztimg nusi evvsedvowi (gsun ep opwitvnipv tvepfquopv jeje) cz hivvoph fihsiit epf disvogodevoupt vjev esi eqqmodecmi vu vji edvaem opfatvsz.

Tu DGE, DJQ, CDunn, NCE... quttocmz iwip e QjF up e qesv voni cetot.

O ectumavimz jevi tdjuum, cav O dep hiv ecuwi ewisehi sitamvt xovj movvmi iggusv. Tu og O qav op e cov ug iggusv (xjomi vsefoph up vji tofi, epf quttocmz xusloph xovjop vji opfatvsz vu hiv iyqisoipdi.

Nz huem ot vu meapdj nz uxp gapf xovj ev mietv $2N-$10N ug tiif deqovem cz ehi 25. O jewi e movvmi mitt vjep 7 ziest. Tu ov't raovi eddunqmotjecmi.

Et ges et vsedloph zuas uxp sitamvt qisjeqt og zua fu ov op e qacmod cmuh epf mez uav zuas opwitvnipv qjomutuqjz, vjuahjvt, qisgusnepdi epf xjev puv uwis e duaqmi ziest moli vjot haz fof (ji vsedlif qisgusnepdi ug e wosvaem qusvgumou epf onqsittif qiuqmi tu nadj vjev ji pux jet $12N op dunnovnipvt vu jot gapf) vjip zua vuu nohjv jewi vji teni tadditt.

Vjot haz jet 20 ziest op vji nesliv tu medloph vjev zuas qmep vu tvesv e gapf puv muph uav ug tdjuum xuamf ci tiswif ximm cz edjoiwoph panisuat johj fotvopdvoup (eattoi/al visn gus amvse johj hqe) op zuas tackidvt. Op effovoup neli tasi zua neli vji nutv ug tannis opvisptjoqt epf hiv vu lpux qmipvz ug opfowofaemt xovj nupiz vu opwitv.