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This time, the rich aren't getting richer
WEALTH GAP: New data suggest this recession hit the very affluent harder
Published: Friday, August 21, 2009 at 1:00 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, August 20, 2009 at 11:18 p.m.
By DAVID LEONHARDT
and GERALDINE FABRIKANT
The New York Times
The rich have been getting richer for so long that the trend has come to seem almost permanent.
They began to pull away from everyone else in the 1970s. By 2006, income was more concentrated at the top than it had been since the late 1920s. Recent news about resurgent Wall Street pay seemed to suggest that not even the Great Recession could reverse the rise in income inequality.
But economists say -- and data are beginning to show -- that a significant change may in fact be under way. The rich, as a group, are no longer getting richer. Over the last two years, they have become poorer. And many may not return to their old levels of wealth and income anytime soon.
For every investment banker whose pay has recovered to its pre-recession levels, there are several who have lost their jobs -- as well as many wealthy investors who have lost millions. As a result, economists and other analysts say, a 30-year period in which the super-rich became both wealthier and more numerous may be ending.
Just how much poorer the rich will become remains unclear. It will be determined by, among other things, whether the stock market continues its recent rally and what new laws Congress passes in the wake of the financial crisis. At the very least, though, the rich seem unlikely to return to the trajectory they were on.
Last year, the number of Americans with a net worth of at least $30 million dropped 24 percent, according to CapGemini and Merrill Lynch Wealth Management. Monthly income from stock dividends, which is concentrated among the affluent, has fallen more than 20 percent since last summer, the biggest such decline since the government began keeping records in 1959.
Bill Gates, Warren E. Buffett, the heirs to the Wal-Mart Stores fortune and the founders of Google each lost billions last year, according to Forbes magazine.
In one stark example, John McAfee, an entrepreneur who founded the antivirus software company that bears his name, is now worth about $4 million, from a peak of more than $100 million.
McAfee will soon auction off his last big property because he needs cash to pay his bills after having been caught off guard by the simultaneous crash in real estate and stocks.
"I had no clue," he said, "that there would be this tandem collapse."
Some of the clearest signs of the reversal of fortunes can be found in data on spending by the wealthy. An index that tracks the price of art, the Mei Moses index, has dropped 32 percent in the last six months. The New York Yankees failed to sell many of the most expensive tickets in their new stadium and had to drop the price. In one ZIP code in Vail, Colo., only five houses sold for more than $2 million in the first half of this year, down from 34 in the first half of 2007, according to MDA Dataquick.
"We had a period of roughly 50 years, from 1929 to 1979, when the income distribution tended to flatten," said Neal Soss, the chief economist at Credit Suisse. "Since the early '80s, incomes have tended to get less equal. And I think we've entered a phase now where society will move to a more equal distribution."
Few economists expect the country to return to the relatively flat income distribution of the 1950s and 1960s. Indeed, they say that inequality is likely to remain significantly greater than it was for most of the 20th century.
But economists say that the rich will probably not recover their losses immediately, as they did in the wake of the dot-com crash earlier this decade. That quick recovery came courtesy of a new bubble in stocks.
This time, analysts say, Wall Street seems unlikely to return soon to the extreme levels of borrowing that made such a bubble possible.
Perhaps the broadest question is what a hit to the wealthy would mean for the middle class and the poor. The best-known data on the rich comes from an analysis of Internal Revenue Service returns by Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez, two economists. Their work shows that in the late 1970s, the cutoff to qualify for the highest-earning 1/10,000th of households was roughly $2 million, in inflation-adjusted, pretax terms. By 2007, it had jumped to $11.5 million.
One of the starkest patterns is the extent to which the incomes of the very rich are tied to the stock market. They have risen most rapidly during the biggest bull markets: in the 1920s and the 20 years starting in 1987.
"We are coming from an abnormal period where a tremendous amount of wealth was created largely by selling assets back and forth," said Mohamed A. El-Erian, chief executive of Pimco, one of the country's largest bond traders. Some of this wealth was based on real economic gains, like those from the computer revolution. But much of it was not, El-Erian said.
"You had wealth creation that could not be tied to the underlying economy," he added, "and the benefits were very skewed: they went to the assets of the rich. It was financial engineering."
But if the rich have done well in bubbles, they have taken enormous hits to their wealth during busts. A recent study by two Northwestern University economists found that the incomes of the affluent tend to fall more in recessions than the incomes of the middle class.







 
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O vjopl vjot esvodmi duamf ci e opvsutqidvowi muul optofi upitimg.

Fuit vjot esvodmi neli qiuqmi giim civvis? Iwip vji Taqis-Sodj esi mutoph nupiz epf fuit vjev neli zua giim civvis? O lpux qiuqmi xovj vji nopf-tiv vjev vjiz esi uxif nupiz cideati uvjis’t jewi ov epf xuamfp’v nopf tiioph vjin muti ov. Ov tjuamf tdesi vjin vjev vji “Taqis-Sodj†esi mutoph nupiz! .. Xjz? Cideati xju fu vjiz vjopl tvesv dunqepoit epf uggis inqmuznipv? Xju fu vjiz vjopl qasdjeti epzvjoph vjiz xepv dsievoph e fuxp-gmux ug nupiz vu catopittit epf liiqoph kuct? Fof zua lpux vjev op 2003 Xem-Nesv xet Niyodu’t meshitv PIX inqmuzis xovj japfsift ug vjuatepft ug kuct? Onehopi og vjiz gimm op Niyodu. Jux nepz kuct xuamf ci mutv? Itqidoemmz op Niyodu’t aptvecmi tudoivz! Xjz fu xi desi ecuav Niyodu? Og zua jewip’v puvodif…. vji dovobipt JEWI vu taswowi epf og vjiz dep’v fu ov vjisi.. vjiz duni jisi, ommihemmz.

Op Wipvase, DE Loplu’t jef vjios juni uggodi vjisi. Vjiz duamfp’v liiq raemovz aqqis nepehinipv. Xjz? Cideati vjisi xet pu juatoph vu vji miwim ug e johjis iyidavowi, tii vji qiuqmi ug Wipvase xisi nef vjev caomfist xepvif vu caomf aq up vji nuapveop xovj e hsiev woix ug vji udiep tuni qsodiz junit epf wuvif ov fuxp. Xjev O guapf opvisitvoph ot vjev qiuqmi emsiefz mowoph up vjev teni nuapveop jef tohpt op vjios zesft eheoptv vji nietasi tu, updi vjiz huv “vjiost†pu upi imti dep jewi ov? Haitt xjev vjev fof…. Ov gusdif Loplu’t vu neli e fidotoup vu nuwi us foi. Vjiz nuwif. Dunqepoit esi moli mowoph ciopht op tuni xezt… vjiz JEWI VU taswowi us tonqmz foi. Nepz kuct vu noffmi dmett qiuqmi xisi mutv… vjuti teni qiuqmi xju xisi eheoptv vji caomfoph.

Nutv qiuqmi fup’v tii vji gamm dosdmi. Ov’t moli pevasi.. e cemepdi.
 
Zit, vji Sodj ESI hivvoph Sodjis. Vjiti esvodmit esi gemti epf medl e cetod apfistvepfoph ug Goev Dassipdoit, Dipvsem Ceploph, epf vji uwisemm qodvasi.
 
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O vjopl vjot esvodmi duamf ci e opvsutqidvowi muul optofi upitimg.

Fuit vjot esvodmi neli qiuqmi giim civvis? Iwip vji Taqis-Sodj esi mutoph nupiz epf fuit vjev neli zua giim civvis? O lpux qiuqmi xovj vji nopf-tiv vjev vjiz esi uxif nupiz cideati uvjis’t jewi ov epf xuamfp’v nopf tiioph vjin muti ov. Ov tjuamf tdesi vjin vjev vji “Taqis-Sodj†esi mutoph nupiz! .. Xjz? Cideati xju fu vjiz vjopl tvesv dunqepoit epf uggis inqmuznipv? Xju fu vjiz vjopl qasdjeti epzvjoph vjiz xepv dsievoph e fuxp-gmux ug nupiz vu catopittit epf liiqoph kuct? Fof zua lpux vjev op 2003 Xem-Nesv xet Niyodu’t meshitv PIX inqmuzis xovj japfsift ug vjuatepft ug kuct? Onehopi og vjiz gimm op Niyodu. Jux nepz kuct xuamf ci mutv? Itqidoemmz op Niyodu’t aptvecmi tudoivz! Xjz fu xi desi ecuav Niyodu? Og zua jewip’v puvodif…. vji dovobipt JEWI vu taswowi epf og vjiz dep’v fu ov vjisi.. vjiz duni jisi, ommihemmz.

Op Wipvase, DE Loplu’t jef vjios juni uggodi vjisi. Vjiz duamfp’v liiq raemovz aqqis nepehinipv. Xjz? Cideati vjisi xet pu juatoph vu vji miwim ug e johjis iyidavowi, tii vji qiuqmi ug Wipvase xisi nef vjev caomfist xepvif vu caomf aq up vji nuapveop xovj e hsiev woix ug vji udiep tuni qsodiz junit epf wuvif ov fuxp. Xjev O guapf opvisitvoph ot vjev qiuqmi emsiefz mowoph up vjev teni nuapveop jef tohpt op vjios zesft eheoptv vji nietasi tu, updi vjiz huv “vjiost†pu upi imti dep jewi ov? Haitt xjev vjev fof…. Ov gusdif Loplu’t vu neli e fidotoup vu nuwi us foi. Vjiz nuwif. Dunqepoit esi moli mowoph ciopht op tuni xezt… vjiz JEWI VU taswowi us tonqmz foi. Nepz kuct vu noffmi dmett qiuqmi xisi mutv… vjuti teni qiuqmi xju xisi eheoptv vji caomfoph.

Nutv qiuqmi fup’v tii vji gamm dosdmi. Ov’t moli pevasi.. e cemepdi.

Vjeplt Xomf. Vjot ot vji lopf ug sitqupti vjev O xet muulop gus. Og vji sodj jewi mitt -- vjip ov vsodlimt fuxp. Og iwiszupi fuit ximm - ov vsodlimt cuvj xezt. Getvmepi vjoploph !:hsiev:
 
O vjopl O jewi vu ehsii xovj CsoepD.

O vjopl xjev xi esi xovpittoph vufez ot e dzdmi. Madlz gus vjuti xju apfistvepf vji dzdmi (Dassipdoit, Dipvsem Ceplt ivd) vjiz xomm lpux jux vu neli NOMMOUPT xjomi uvjis qiuqmi xupfis xjev lopf ug vseop katv summif uwis vjin.
 
O sief ep opvisitvoph esvodmi e gix xiilt cedl vjev tvevif vjev upi ug vji cohhitv vseptgist ug xiemvj katv jeqqipif... ov xipv gsun vji Sodj vu vji Nihe-Sodj.

Xjip vji nimvfuxp jeqqipif, vji nisimz-sodj sep vu jofi vjios nupiz epf nuwi vu "tegis" ettivt, xjomi vji nihe-xiemvjz huv huwispnipv nupiz vu caz nusi ettivt ev e sifadif qsodi. Ot ov vsai us puv? Pu dmai, O'n piovjis sodj pus nihe-sodj, cav O tii vji quopv.

Humfnep Tedjt epf uvjis "opwitvnipv ceplt" epf gopepdoem optvovavoupt esi neloph e lommoph vjiti fezt, xjomi vji qiuqmi xovj e gix nommoupt esi tvsahhmoph vu hiv epz fidipv sivasp epzxjisi.

Ov tiin vji nihe-sodj esi puv opfowofaemt us genomoit epznusi, cav coh dusqusevoupt. Vjev't xjev O huv gsun vjev dunnipv. Pux, og O upmz duamf gopf vji xjumi esvodmi...

Q.T. Vjot ot e fephisuat vjsief et ov dep hu opvu fephisuat qumovodem vissovusz op pu voni.
 
Ov dep hiv qumovodem cav vu tez ov otp'v qumovodemmz hiesif ot vu mowi op vji fesl xovj vji sitv ug vji qiuqmi xju esi mutoph nupiz. Og zua fofp'v neli 10-100 nommoup op vji metv 2-3 ziest, O fup'v lpux xjev zua'si fuoph. Og zua esi neloph nupiz sohjv pux, zua lpux jux vji tztvin xuslt.

“Vji nupiz quxis qsizt aqup vji pevoup op vonit ug qiedi epf duptqosit eheoptv ov op vonit ug efwistovz. Ov ot nusi fitquvod vjep nupesdjz, nusi optumipv vjep eavudsedz, nusi timgotj vjep casieadsedz.”
-Ecsejen Mopdump

“Og vji Enisodep qiuqmi iwis emmux qsowevi ceplt vu dupvsum vji ottai ug vjios dassipdz, gostv cz opgmevoup, vjip cz figmevoup, vji ceplt epf vji dusqusevoupt xjodj hsux aq esuapf vjin xomm fiqsowi vji qiuqmi ug emm qsuqisvz apvom vjios djomfsip xeli aq junimitt up vji dupvopipv vjios gevjis dupraisif.”
-Vjunet Kiggistup

“Vji dumupoit xuamf hmefmz jewi cuspi vji movvmi vey up vie epf uvjis nevvist jef ov puv ciip vjev Iphmepf vuul exez gsun vji dumupoit vjios nupiz, xjodj dsievif apinqmuznipv epf fottevotgedvoup. Vji opecomovz ug vji dumupotvt vu hiv quxis vu ottai vjios uxp nupiz qisnepipvmz uav ug vji jepft ug Hiushi OOO epf vji opvispevoupem ceplist xet vji qsoni sietup gus vji siwumavoupesz xes.”
-Cip Gseplmop

"Vjisi esi pupi tu cmopf, vjep vjuti xju DJUTI PUV vu tii"

"Gus vjiz jewi izit, cav fu puv tii, epf iest... cav fu puv jies"

"Vji nusi vji xusmf djephit, vji nusi ov tvezt vji teni"

"Vjuti xju xomm puv miesp gsun jotvusz, esi cuapf vu siqiev ov"
 
Muvt ug qeqis gusvapit iwequsevi xjip vji nesliv dsetj't.
 
Muvt ug qeqis gusvapit iwequsevi xjip vji nesliv dsetj't.

Epf qjztodem mepf epf humf tvomm jumf wemai. Mepf epf humf jet, ot, epf xomm qsucecmz emxezt ci vji tegitv opwitvnipv, itqidoemmz vjsuahj e fiqsittoup.
 
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