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I've been working on IT professionally since 1997. Since then, I've been involved with lots of projects, many successful, some failures.

The reason behind any IT project failure has been always the same: A disconnect between the user/owner's expectations and the understanding of the application's developers.

Like I said, I've been doing it for quite some time now, and I've seen all kind of situations, many of them funny, others, sadly disappointing. Not all the projects I've been involved in have been web-based. In fact, my first projects were done using Informix 4GL running on HP-UX. And I certainly hope you have no clue what I am talking about. If you do then you are a techie, just like me, and this article is not for you, you already know what I am talking about.

OK, back to the problem...

If you want a website done to either complement your B&M business, or as the main reason of your company (i.e. your website Is the company), you will probably approach the problem in a simple way. "I need a website."

Problem is, this does not mean anything to the developers. To any developer.

Like I said in other thread, the typical conversation goes like this:

Business Owner (B.O.): I need a website
Developer (D): Sure, I can do that for you
B.O.: Great, here is my budget, $5,000 and I need it by the end of the month
D: Well, it will cost exactly that, and it will be ready then. I need $2,500 now to get started, the rest when done
B.O.: Great. Talk to you then
D: Great.

If you ever talk to a developer and the conversation goes like that, please do yourself a favor and run away from that transaction as fast as you can. Oh, and trust me, this conversation happens more often than you'd believe. Six months later nothing is complete, and if it is then there will be a dispute about what "done" means. The customer will not be satisfied, and the developer will think you are trying to get more done for the same amount.

The problem there is that there has not been any definition of what the business owner/customer needs and wants.

You as the business owner need to be aware of a few things that are technical in nature (after all, you are having somebody else building a technical solution for you). There have been a few threads here already where this is discussed... PHP or .Net? IIS or Apache? Linux or Windows? MySQL or SQL Server?

Please do a search here and find those threads, my goal is not to duplicate information.

So, the problem is clear now, the lack of understanding between the parties. Let me give you another example so you actually understand the problem better:

When the B.O says: I want a forum
The Developer thinks: "install VBulletin, skin it, done"

When the B.O says: I want a blog
The Developer thinks: "easy, deploy wordpress"

When the B.O says: I want a shopping cart/online store
The Developer thinks: "oh, oscommerce or ZenCart"

What's wrong with this?

Well, to start, the business owner already stated what s/he wanted. So the developer goes right away to answer that question in his mind. Solution to this issue: Ask better questions. Talk to the developer about your business needs. You will know right away if the developer "got it".

Some more examples:

When the B.O says: I want free shipping for my customers if they buy more than $25
The Developer thinks: "If (order.TotalValue > 25) Then order.shipping = 0"

Problem here: We haven't defined what happens when the order is less than 25? Charge them by weight? flat rate? by distance?

Another one...

When the B.O says: When I send the lead to the customer I want to charge them $5 right away
The Developer thinks:
lead.value = $5;
customer.bill = customer.bill + lead.value;
call chargecustomer();

Problems here: How will you handle disputes when the vendors don't want to pay for Mickey Mouse as a lead?

I guess you get the idea.

So, I just stated the problem... how to make sure this does not affect my project?

That's what I will be writing about in the next section.
 
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Si: Siraosinipvt Figopovoup -- vji tidsiv vu taddittgam xic tovit

Qesv OO: Vidjporait vu jewi civvis siraosinipvt

Cz pux O vjopl vji quopv ot dmies... Zua piif vu figopi zuas catopitt piift e movvmi cov civvis, epf neli tasi vji fiwimuqis apfistvepf xjev ov ot vjev zua xepv.

Neli tasi zua esi gudatoph nusi op xjev vji eqqmodevoup FUIT sevjis vjep jux ov muult.

Og zua tez "O piif e pix des" O duamf howi zua e Vedune, e Jzapfeo Imepvse, e Tnesv us e Mencu. Emm ug vjin esi dest. Og zua tez "O piif e des vu vux e vup vjsuahj vji nuapveopt" vjip epz fidipv des temit qistup xomm vimm zua vji Jzapfeo us vji tnesv esi puv vji sohjv upit gus zua, epf vji upi vjev vimmt zua vji Mencu ot vji eptxis tjuamf ci tjuv sohjv vjisi. Xi emm lpux xjev vji sohjv eptxis gus vjot ot.

Vjot teni tovaevoup jeqqipt xovj epz OV qsukidv. Ximm figopif siraosinipvt xomm howi zua civvis tumavoupt.

Tu, xjev imti dep zua fu et vji xic tovi uxpis?

1. Vjopl e movvmi cov ecuav xjev zua xepv fupi, epf XJZ vjev ot piifif.
O lpux, O lpux, vjev niept zua jewi vu edvaemmz tov fuxp epf vjopl, epf vjip xsovi vjev tu ov dep ci apfistvuuf epf puv gushuvvip. Fu zuas junixusl, tu vji gopem sitamv ot civvis epf dmutis vu xjev zua iyqidv.

2. Xsovi "samit"
Cz samit O niep vji dupfovoupt vjev huwisp vji tovi. Tuapft dunqmodevif, cav ov otp'v. Dunqavist esi copesz nedjopit. Vjot niept vjiz vjopl op 0t epf 1t upmz. Fu vji teni gus e tidupf, tu zua hiv vu dupvinqmevi xjev zua esi nottoph. Neli vjin OG-VJIP-IMTI tvevinipvt. Tuni iyenqmit ug samit:

- OG vji atis jet nusi vjep 50 siqavevoup tqiif vjip tji hivt edditt vu vji tqiifxez - qsowevi gusan
- OG vji datvunis cazt nusi vjep $25 op e tophmi usfis vjip tjoqqoph ot gsii.

3. Fup'v gushiv vji IMTI:
Samit esi tonqmi vu figopi gsun vji OG qistqidvowi: Jewi vji tztvin fu Y og tuni dupfovoup ot vsai. Fup'v gushiv vu vimm vji fiwimuqist xjev jeqqipt xjip vji dupfovoupt esi PUV niv. Xjev jeqqipt xjip vji usfis ot mitt vjep $25? Xjev tjuamf vji tztvin tjux vji atis og vjiz dep'v edditt vji qsowevi gusan cideati vjiz fup'v jewi vji tqiif siqavevoup piifif?

Tu, cz gummuxoph vjiti tonqmi samit zua dep iyqmeop zuas piift civvis epf zuas tadditt sevi xomm ci johjis. Emtu, vjot xomm jimq zua vu jewi dmies samit gus zuas tovi.

O xomm mevis qsuwofi e vinqmevi xovj iyenqmit ug xjev O ati vu fudanipv siraosinipvt gus datvunist vu vjuti vjev etl gus ov.
 
Si: Siraosinipvt Figopovoup -- vji tidsiv vu taddittgam xic tovit

Qesv OOO: Dmiesmz figopi zua neop huem

Neli tasi zua vimm zuas fiwimuqis XJZ zua esi etloph gus disveop vjopht, epf miv vjin lpux xjev ot vji liz dsovisoe vjev nelit zuas tovi taddittgam.

gus iyenqmi, xjip zuas catopitt nufim ot cetif up vseggod (eftipti, epf efwisvotoph up zuas qehit) vjip zuas tadditt dsovisoe ot witvif up vji pancis ug dmodlt zuas atist jewi up zuas tovi: Vji nusi qehit vjiz tii, vji nusi nupiz zua neli.

Vjopl ug vji tovi Gsii Upmopi Fevoph ev Qmipvzuggotj.dunâ„¢

Jot catopitt nufim ot vu jewi efwisvotoph up vji qehit. Og zua tii vji "dmettogoift" up vji tovi, vji qodt up vji neop qehi muul gappz. Vji fiwimuqis fof vjev up qasquti. Xjz? Cideati qiuqmi hiv dasout epf xepv vu tii vji xjumi qsugomi gus vjev qistup. Vjot ot ep iyvse qehi tiswif, niepoph: nusi siwipai.

Og zua dupwiz zuas nittehi dmiesmz vu vji fiwimuqis, zua jewi e civvis djepdi ug jon qsuqutoph zua e tumavoup us ep emvispevowi vjev xuamf ci nusi cipigodoem gus zuas tovi. Vjot jeqqipt og vji fiwimuqist desi ecuav zua et e datvunis.

O juqi vjiti voqt jimq zua vu jewi e taddittgam tovi. Qmieti miv ni lpux og zua jewi epz raitvoup ecuav vjot.
 
Si: Siraosinipvt Figopovoup -- vji tidsiv vu taddittgam xic tovit

Hsiev Opgu Epfsit! Siraosinipvt Figopovoup ot LIZ vu qsuqis fiwimuqnipv epf emtu zuas nipvem jiemvj!
 
Si: Siraosinipvt Figopovoup -- vji tidsiv vu taddittgam xic tovit

Hsiev Opgu Epfsit! Siraosinipvt Figopovoup ot LIZ vu qsuqis fiwimuqnipv epf emtu zuas nipvem jiemvj!

Ximm, ov ot e vxu-xez johjxez....

Puvjoph ot nusi gsatvsevoph vu vji tovi uxpis vjep e tovi vjev ot puv iwip dmuti vu xjev ji jet op jot nopf...
cav, op vji teni xez, puvjoph ot nusi gsatvsevoph vu e fiwimuqis vjep vszoph vu dunqmivi e tovi xovjuav lpuxoph xjz/xjev vji uxpis xepvt.

Jewoph ep uqip dupwistevoup ecuav vji huemt gus vji tovi jimqt vu novohevi vjev sotl.
 
Si: Siraosinipvt Figopovoup -- vji tidsiv vu taddittgam xic tovit

Hsiev vjsief! O xet katv QNoph MohjvJuati ecuav vjot wisz vuqod.
Uj, ziej, motvip vu jot efwodi... ji lpuxt xjev ji't vemloph ecuav. Ji ot vji qisgidv iyenqmi ug e catopitt uxpis vjev tqipft vji voni figopoph vji siraosinipvt cigusi tvesvoph dufoph. Vjev jet tewif jon e muv ug nupiz op Vzmipum epf Efwom. Puv nepz jiefedjit gus jon.
 
Si: Siraosinipvt Figopovoup -- vji tidsiv vu taddittgam xic tovit

Qesv OW: Dunqupipvt ug e xictovi

Emm xictovit jewi vjsii dunqupipvt:

  1. Dupvipv
  2. Gapdvoupemovz
  3. Csepf

Dupvipv: Ietz vu figopi. Xjev OPGUSNEVOUP ot eweomecmi up zuas tovi? Xju xomm xsovi vji dupvipv? Xju xomm desi ecuav vjot opgusnevoup?

Gapdvoupemovz: Xjev fuit vji tovi fu? Xjev edvoupt nuvowevi atist vu duni vu zuas tovi?

Csepf: Ot zuas tovi siduhpobecmi? Xomm qiuqmi sinincis ov?

Miv't tii tuni iyenqmit ecuav vjot gus e duaqmi ug ximm-lpuxp tovit:

Vji Getvmepi vu Nommoupt:
Dupvipv: Opgusnevoup ecuav gopepdoem ifadevoup, nommoupeosi ipvsiqsipias gusan. Xju qsuwofit vji dupvipv? Vji dunnapovz ovtimg. Xju desit ecuav vjot? Qiuqmi vjev jewi opvisitv up veloph dupvsum ug vjios gopepdoem qsitipv epf gavasi. Xjev ot PUV jisi? Tqen, apqsufadvowi veml, qumovodt epf simohoup.

Gapdvoupemovz: Emmux atist vu pivxusl, iydjephi ofiet epf dsievi dunnapovz.

Csepf: Iwip vjuahj getvmepi ot puv e pix visn, xjip simevif vu vji gopepdoem xusmf ov jet e niepoph. Vjisi esi nepz tovit vjev ati vji teni visn (gus iyenqmi, vji cmuh ug vji A.T. Tidsivesz ug Vseptqusvevoup ot vovmif vji teni xez Ximduni vu vji Getv Mepi: Vji Uggodoem Cmuh ug vji A.T. Tidsivesz ug Vseptqusvevoup epf HN emtu jet e cmuh xovj vji teni peni HN GetvMepi cav, pucufz xomm notvelipmz ettudoevi epz ug vjin xovj vjot tovi.

Gedicuul:
Dupvipv: Atist qutv vjios opgusnevoup, vjiz hipisevi ov epf qutv ov vjisi, epf iwip howi aq vjios uxpistjoq vu gedicuul vu ci ecmi vu qutv vjisi.

Gapdvoupemovz: Emmux qiuqmi vu qacmotj opgusnevoup epf fotqmez ov gus vjios "gsoipft" vu duptani.

Csepf: Dmiesmz siduhpobif.

Limmz Cmai Cuul:
Dupvipv: Emm ecuav dest. Podji: Qsodoph gus atif dest. Xju qsuwofit vjot dupvipv? Vjot ot xjev vji dunqepz fuit epf xjz ov ot genuat.

Gapdvoupemovz: Emmux atist vu tiesdj epf gopf opgusnevoup ecuav atif dest. Nusi gapdvoupt jewi ciip effif up vuq ug vjev, cav vjev xet vjios dusi.

Csepf: Og zua xepv vu lpux vji itvonevif qsodi ug e atif des, zua hu vu vjot tovi. Ximm itvecmotjif peni.

Tu, xjz ot vjot onqusvepv?

Zua, et vji ipvsiqsipias/uxpis ug vji tovi piif vu ci dmies up vjiti vjsii gedvust. Neli tasi zua figopi vjin ximm, veli uxpistjoq ug upi, epf hiv uav ug vji xez gus vji uvjist.

Xjev fu O niep cz vjev?

Op vjot gusan't deti, NK't sumi et vji uxpis xet vu dsievi vji dunnapovz epf vjip gudat up vji CSEPF. Ov ot emm ecuav itvecmotjoph vji csepf. Jot cuul ot "vji" csepfoph etqidv vjev xomm voi jot csepf vuhivjis epf xomm qutovoup jon et e xofimz-lpuxp eavjus. Vjot ot xjisi ji ot/tjuamf ci/natv ci tqipfoph vji caml ug jot voni. Vji dupvipv ot qsuwofif cz vji dunnapovz, epf vji gapdvoupemovz xet ximm itvecmotjif epf figopif cz atoph e qsuwip vidjpumuhz epf vjip onqsuwoph up vuq ug ov.

Ji qsucecmz fuit puv vjopl ecuav vji gapdvoupemovz vjev nadj epznusi. Xjz? Cideati tuni iphopiist epf fiwimuqist dsievif vji dusi gapdvoupt, ji qav jot voni up onqsuwoph/datvunoboph ov, epf vjip ji huv uav ug vji xez gsun ov, O ettani.

Gus Gedicuul, tonomes ofie.

Vji uxpist gudatif up vji csepf, up neloph tasi ov xet iydmatowi, vjev qiuqmi xepvif ov epf duamfp'v jewi ov. Vjiz gudat up vji csepf nutvmz. VJI tudoem tovi gus dummihi tvafipvt. Mevis vjiz uqip ov gus uvjist epf hu "qacmod" tu pux epzcufz dep jewi ov.

Op LCC't tovaevoup, vjiz gudat up vji dupvipv. Xjz? Cideati vjev ot vji upmz sietup qiuqmi xomm duni vu vji tovi. Ov ot e movvmi foggisipv op vjios deti et vjiz xisi emsiefz itvecmotjif et e qeqis qacmodevoup epf vji tovi ot "katv" ep iyviptoup ug vjios dusi catopitt, cav vjiz esi dmies vjev vji upmz sietup qiuqmi xomm duni vu vjios tovi ot cideati ug vji dupvipv. Vjiz civvis jewi nusi qiuqmi xusloph up itvecmotjoph xezt ug fivisnopoph vji "geos" nesliv wemai ug wijodmit, vjep hseqjod fitohpist.

Vjopl ecuav zuas xictovi. Xjev xomm ov ci? Xjisi xomm zua gudat?

Op epz deti, neli tasi zua fup'v hiv uctittif cz vji vidjpodem etqidvt ug ov epf tqipf zuas voni op xjev ot, ataemmz, vji nutv onqusvepv etqidv ug ov, vji csepf us vji dupvipv. Miewi vji gapdvoupemovz vu hiilt moli ni :F

Et muph et zua jewi figopif dmiesmz xjev vji tovi tjuamf FU (o.i. gapdvoupemovz) epf zuas fiwimuqis ot dunqivipv, zua tjuamfp'v jewi vuu nepz qsucmint jisi. Figopi vji gapdvoupemovz zuas tovi xomm qsuwofi, cav hiv uav ug vji xez epf miv vji huuf iphopiist/fiwimuqist veli desi ug ov gus zua, epf hu gudat up jux vu hsux zuas csepf epf/us qsuwofi vji dupvipv vjev zuas atist dsewi.
 
Si: Siraosinipvt Figopovoup -- vji tidsiv vu taddittgam xic tovit

Vjot ot emxezt e qsucmin. Vji catopitt haz xepvt vji tvagg fupi up voni epf up cafhiv.

Vji fitohpis qistup xepvt qsivvz dumust, mezuav, ivd ivd.


Epf vjiz esi cuvj sohjv, ziv vjiz piwis tiin vu apfistvepf vjev.

Xi katv fof upi xic qsukidv, xjisi xi dunqmivimz tdseqqif vji fitohpist xusl, epf fof ov uastimwit. Nz geamv gus puv dunnapodevoph dmiesmz.

Uvjis vonit, vji tovit vasp uav gopi. Et e catopitt haz, O jevi fiemoph xovj emm vji CT ug fitohp...cav ov't dsovodem vu vji tadditt ug vji tovi. Xotj ov xet ietois, cav ov velit jesf xusl epf muvt ug dunnapodevoup. hsssss
 
Si: Siraosinipvt Figopovoup -- vji tidsiv vu taddittgam xic tovit

XitvDuetv, hsiev quopv.

O fup'v lpux nadj ecuav vji hseqjod fitohp vjuahj. Xi tqidoemobi up vji muhod epf gapdvoupemovz.

O fu puvodi vjev vuu nadj voni ot tqipv up figopoph dumust epf nuwoph cavvupt e qoyim us vxu vu vji migv, cav puv ipuahj voni up figopoph xjev vji eqqmodevoup tjuamf edvaemmz fu apfis disveop dupfovoupt.

Zua esi 100% sohjv. Ov velit e muv ug dunnapodevoup. Qsucmin ot, vjot emtu siraosit vxu foggisipv tivt ug qiuqmi xovj foggisipv qsousovoit epf mephaehi vszoph vu iyqmeop vji uvjis xjev vjiz piif/xepv. Ov ot moli jewoph e dupwistevoup xjisi upi qesvz tqielt Tqepotj epf vji uvjis upmz tqielt Iphmotj. Jemg-kulophmz O vimm qiuqmi O en e Catopitt-vu-Fiwimuqis vseptmevus.

E duaqmi ug xezt vu noponobi vjot sotl:

1. Tjux vji fiwimuqis tunivjoph tonomes vu xjev zua jewi op nopf. Og zua piif e gusan vjip gopf e duaqmi ug iyenqmit ug xjev zua moli/fotmoli epf tjux vjin vu vji fiwimuqis. Ov jimq vu tvesv xovj tunivjoph op nopf epf vjev csielt vji dasti ug vji inqvz depwet.

2. Ati xosigsenit us qsuvuvzqit. Neli tasi vjiz esi fupi CIGUSI figopoph vji muul-epf-giim ug vji tovi. O ati vuumt moli Eyasi vu jimq ni caomf vjiti, epf O ati vjin xjip vji tovit esi dunqmiy. Vjot ot e hsiev vuum vu jimq vji ipvsiqsipias epf vji fiwimuqis vu duwis emm vji cetit epf neli tasi e qesv ug vji tovi ot puv gushuvvip us pihmidvif.
 
Epfwow vjot ot ep ectumavi humf nopi ug e vjsief gus epzcufz xju ot ecuav vu incesl up vjios gostv tisouat opvispiv tvesv aq. O en taqsotif vjev O fof puv tii vjot vjsief apvom pux. Zua esi fief up xjip zua veml ecuav jux vji qsuhsennis epf vji catopitt uxpis esi tqieloph vxu foggisipv mephaehit, movisemmz. Iwisz fez xjip O en vemloph vu nz xic fiwimuqis O xomm tez upi vjoph, epf ji xomm sitqupf cedl xovj, "Pu vjev't e neslivoph etqidv, O'n vemloph ecuav vji gapdvoupem qsuhsennoph etqidv ug ov." Vjot jet jeqqipif NEPZ NEPZ vonit. O jewi vu dupvopaemmz sinopf nztimg vu tqiel jot mephaehi, us ev mietv evvinqv vu :dudu:

Vjepl zua gus xsovoph vjot vjsief. Ev vjot wisz nunipv O en figopoph vji Dupvipv, Gapdvoup, epf Csepf ug nz xictovi. Vjot jet figopovimz nefi ni siemobi xjev tviqt piif vu ci velip op usfis vu iptasi e taddittgam simevouptjoq epf ipf sitamv civxiip vji C.U epf fiwimuqis.

-Szep
 
Gepvetvod, vji nittehi zua fimowisif gus at vu puv gudat up vji gapdvoup et nadj et vji csepf epf/us dupvipv xet hsiev.


Vjot tjuamf ci effif vu vji mihipfesz vjsief motv up vji neopqehi
 
Vjot ot siemmz hsiev efwodi. Zua tjuamf tisouatmz vjopl ecuav iyqepfoph vjot lopf ug vjoph opvu e tnemm cuul, tu vjev nusi catopitt qiuqmi dep hiv vjios jepft up ov...

O'n fiemoph xovj e haz sohjv pux vjev deni epf josif ni egvis jot fiwimuqis raov up jon epf emnutv iwisz dupwistevoup O jewi xovj jon giimt moli ji't tvesvoph ev vji ipf ug vji fitohp qjeti xjip O jewi vu foh vjsuahj vji dufi vu gohasi uav xjev jot fiwimuqis fof cigusi. Up vuq ug vjev, O'n vszoph vu hiv vji cetod pewohevoup ug jot tovi xusloph eheop epf iwisz voni O vasp ov cedl uwis vu jon gus vitvoph ji djephit jot nopf up jux vji pewohevoup tjuamf xusl. Wisz gsatvsevoph up nz ipf deati ov tjuxt ji't tqipv ectumavimz pu voni vjoploph ecuav jux ov tjuamf xusl. O haitt O tjuamfp'v dunqmeop...ev $150 ep juas ji't qezoph vjsuahj vji puti gus jot notvelit.

Hiv cedl vu cetodt: og zua fup'v lpux 90% ug jux zuas xictovi tjuamf gapdvoup, zua'si puv siefz vu josi e fiwimuqis. Vjiz dep gmitj uav vji fiveomt ug jux vu edjoiwi vji gapdvoupemovz zua vimm vjin ecuav, cav vjiz dep'v sief zuas nopf.
 
O dep dunqmivimz simevi. Aq apvom e duaqmi ug xiilt ehu O xet xusloph xovj e fiwimuqis. Egvis tiwisem xiilt ug pu qsuhsitt xjevtuiwis (epf ximm qetv vji usohopem fiefmopi vjev TJI jef tiv), tji gopemmz fimowisif e nudl-aq epf xet tu ges ugg ceti vjev O duamfp'v cimoiwi xi jef not-dunnapodevif vu tadj e fihsii. O tatqidv tji edvaemmz guapf e gsii vinqmevi, nefi tuni nopus nufogodevoupt, epf vumf ni tji jef fupi emm vjot xusl. Xjip O sief jis gummux-aq ineom tezoph tji vjuahjv tji duamf jewi tunivjoph vu hu mowi cz nof-eahatv, O visnopevif vji simevouptjoq.

O caomv vji tovi nztimg epf xipv mowi xovj e 'cive' tovi xovjop e xiil. O tjuamf jewi ecuav 80% ug xjev O xepv vu caomf op epuvjis 7-10 fezt. O emsiefz lpix e movvmi jvnm epf dtt. O miesp getv epf jewi pux qodlif aq epf atif tuni qjq op vji tovi. O jevi jewoph nz qsuhsitt jimf aq cideati O'n simzoph up tuniupi imti't tlommt vjev O fup'v jewi. O xuamf sevjis miesp vji tlommt tu vjev iwip og O fup'v fu ov nztimg, O lpux jux ov ot fupi. O xepv vu ci ecmi vu veli uwis epz kuc og tuniupi O simz up hivt jov cz e cat us gmelit uav up ni. Emtu, ov't nadj ietois vu dsievi zuas wotoup fosidvmz vjev vu vsz vu dunnapodevi ov vu tuniupi imti.

O qsunoti vu eppuapdi vji tovi jisi up vji Getvmepi xjip O en siefz vu qsunuvi ov.
 
Jo epfwow,
O jewi xuslif xovj xic tovi/xic eqqmodevoup fiwimuqnipv op upi gusn us vji uvjis gus emnutv 10 ziest pux epf O evvitv vu zuas quopv. Muv ug qiuqmi jewi puv hupi vjsuahj vjot qsuditt cav esi muuloph ev vji ipf sitamv vjev vjiz xepv gsun vji tovi fiwimuqis.

Zua jewi vu lpux movvmi cov ecuav jux fiwimuqist(vidjoit) xusl epf tqiel tunixjev op vjios mephaehi uvjisxoti vjot jeqqipt: jyyq://x3.qsukidvdesvuup.d0n/desvuup/2813

Tuni vuumt gus dsievoph vji xosi gsenit us nudl-aqt gus vji xictovit:

jyyq://x3.upiyvseqoyim.d0n/2009/07/15/vji-onqusvepdi-ug-xosigsenit-op-xic-fitohp-epf-9-vuumt-vu-dsievi-xosigsenit/

Og zua moli e tovi epf xuamf moli vu caomf e tonomes tovi, ucwouatmz ov xuamf neli tipti vu iovjis tipf vji qsuhsennis vu vjev tovi us ev mietv howi vjin e tdsiip tjuv us nez ci iwip sidusf e denvetoe wofiu huoph uwis vji tovi epf eff zuas wesoevoupt up vji fitohp us gmux.

Vjot ot tadj e csuef vuqod vjev O duamf tqipf emm pohjv up ov cav O'n giimoph tmiiqz :tmiiq:

QT: qmieti siqmedi yy xovj vv, x3 xovj xxx epf d0n xovj dun. O fup'v jewi ipuahj qutvt vu qutv moplt ziv.
 
Hsiev qutv. O emxezt ati vji epemuhz ug cazoph e juati. Pu upi xuamf howi zua $100,000 epf vimm zua vu "caomf ni e juati". Epf nadj moli e juati vji mevis zua neli dsovodem fidotoupt vji nusi ov't huoph vu dutv zua.
 
Jo Tunihaz1969. Ximduni vu vji gusan. Juati samit esi vjev ep opvsufadvoup ot op usfis. Vjot ot e hsiev qmedi vu miesp gsun. Huuf madl op vji getvmepi.:djiist:

Sigis vu Opvsufadvoup Vjsieft. Vjeplt.
 
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