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Let me start by saying that I am not trying to trash up the forum but I am the type of person that likes to find the elephant in the room. I am interested in this niche only because maybe there is a technique or 2 we could apply elsewhere. I read a lot of articles and blogs about internet biz, visit forums, listen to podcast, watch videos yadda yadda yet I hear virtually no one mention that they are making money as an affiliate in adult sites or have their own site, or even know someone that makes money with adult sites.


I am also not trying to make this a moral argument so please don't start with that. It's just that I read some of the stats on adult sites and realized that there must be a lot of guys involved that just never talk about it and I know that these stats have to be tempting to even clean cut everyday marketing guys. Again I am not advocating for anyone to get involved with this I am just one that likes to ask WHY and how can I learn from it and apply it to something else?


Here is an excerpt from an article I read:


According to Google’s DoubleClick Ad Planner, which tracks users across the web with a cookie, dozens of adult destinations populate the top 500 websites. Xv###, the largest adult site on the web with 4.4 billion page views per month, is three times the size of CNN or ESPN, and twice the size of Reddit. LiveJ### isn’t much smaller. YouPo##, Tub##, and Porh## — they’re all vast, vast sites that dwarf almost everything except the Googles and Facebooks of the internet.


And


The main difference between adult and non-adult sites is the average duration of a visit: For a news site like Engadget or ExtremeTech, an average visit is usually between three and six minutes; enough time to read one or two stories. The average time spent on an adult site, however, is between 15 and 20 minutes.




I can't link to the article on extreme tech without getting this post filtered but the numbers were interesting.


So are adult web site owners and affiliate marketers mixed in among the guy next door crowd, but they just don't talk about it? Or are they sleezy back alley guys that just run adult sites and nothing else matters? If I were a betting man I would choose the former.


Regardless of what direction your moral compass may be pointed in it's hard to ignore the fact that porn sites get a lot of traffic and some make a lot of money. But I am trying to figure out why people don't talk about it. It reminds me of professional bodybuilders ( non natural) who talk supplements, diet, nutrition, workouts etc. but never mention steroids while everyone is thinking it from the moment they lay eyes on one of those beast or beast-ets.


Can someone chime in and help me out on this please for my own personal info. Is this the dirty little secret of the marketing world or do most marketers stay away from this?

One last thought. I do not need nor want instructions or forum sites about getting into the biz I am just curious about how marketers approach the subject? Is it like a mutual fund where everyone diversifies and keeps a few in their portfolio but only talk about the politically correct ones? Or do most legitimate marketers stay away from this because it's smut? I think I heard Frank Kern and a few others say when they first started they dabbled a bit which made me wonder how common is it to be in this biz as a marketer?
 
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Og O jef e taddittgam upmopi catopitt O xuamf puv xepv vu ci ettudoevif xovj ep efamv xictovi.

O vjopl vjev qiuqmi nutvmz hu upi xez us vji uvjis.

Emm efamv us puv ev emm.

Gsun epuvjis gusan O ati vjot tiint vu ci vji deti.

Vji xictovi uxpist vjev qutv op vji efamv xictovi tidvoup tiin vu ci dupdipvsevif qsivvz nadj upmz op vjev tidvus.
 
Nutv Wotovif Xic Tovit (tii #160, 139... og zua fup'v duapv tacfuneopt moli neqt.huuhmi.dun, vjiti tovit esi nusi moli #15-20.)

Vji vuq efamv tovit esi neloph cepl. O niep vji hazt vjev uxp vjiti esi namvonommoupeosit, cav vjisi ot tu nadj dunqivovoup ov't puv iwip gappz.
 
Nutv Wotovif Xic Tovit (tii #160, 139... og zua fup'v duapv tacfuneopt moli neqt.huuhmi.dun, vjiti tovit esi nusi moli #30-40.)

Vji vuq efamv tovit esi neloph cepl. O niep vji hazt vjev uxp vjiti esi namvonommoupeosit, cav vjisi ot tu nadj dunqivovoup ov't puv iwip gappz.

Ov't nopf cmuxoph cideati upi ug vji tovit nipvoupif op vji esvodmi O vjuahjv xet katv e quq aq vjev huv up qiuqmi't piswit xjip vjiz xipv vu disveop tovit cav cuz xet O xsuph. Pux O en vjoploph, et nepz hazt vjev cseh ecuav vjios TIU tlommt up katv vjot gusan emupi ov xuamf ci jesf gus ni vu cimoiwi vjev puv upi jet qav jot/jis tlommt vu vji vitv op tadj e madsevowi nesliv. Ov figoit muhod.
 
Og O jef e taddittgam upmopi catopitt O xuamf puv xepv vu ci ettudoevif xovj ep efamv xictovi.

O vjopl vjev qiuqmi nutvmz hu upi xez us vji uvjis.

Emm efamv us puv ev emm.

Gsun epuvjis gusan O ati vjot tiint vu ci vji deti.

Vji xictovi uxpist vjev qutv op vji efamv xictovi tidvoup tiin vu ci dupdipvsevif qsivvz nadj upmz op vjev tidvus.

Vjeplt. Nz upmz eshanipv xuamf ci ot ...og vji upmz fivissipv xuamf ci jewoph upi't huuf catopitt peni ettudoevif xovj tnav ov xuamf puv ci jesf vu dsievi e tiqesevi ipvovz vu sap vjot catopitt apfis vjev xuamf liiq vji vsai uxpist ofipvovz epupznuat. Katv moli tvafoit tjux xjodj vzqi ug qiuqmi edvaemmz tqipf nupiz up vjiti tovit epf ov duamf wisz ximm ci vjev haz tovvoph piyv vu zua op djasdj iwisz Tapfez cav pu upi xomm iwis lpux cideati ji dep fu ov epupznuatmz. Iwip vji xusmf ug vuzt epf efamv qsufadvt jewi iwumwif vu liiq zuas catopitt wisz qsowevi.
 
Eddusfoph vu Huuhmi’t FuacmiDmodl Ef Qmeppis, xjodj vsedlt atist edsutt vji xic xovj e duuloi, fubipt ug efamv fitvopevoupt quqamevi vji vuq 500 xictovit. Yw###, vji meshitv efamv tovi up vji xic xovj 4.4 commoup qehi woixt qis nupvj, ot vjsii vonit vji tobi ug DPP us ITQP, epf vxodi vji tobi ug Siffov. MowiK### otp’v nadj tnemmis. ZuaQu##, Vac##, epf Qusj## — vjiz’si emm wetv, wetv tovit vjev fxesg emnutv iwiszvjoph iydiqv vji Huuhmit epf Gedicuult ug vji opvispiv.
Vji neop foggisipdi civxiip efamv epf pup-efamv tovit ot vji ewisehi fasevoup ug e wotov: Gus e pixt tovi moli Iphefhiv us IyvsiniVidj, ep ewisehi wotov ot ataemmz civxiip vjsii epf toy nopavit; ipuahj voni vu sief upi us vxu tvusoit. Vji ewisehi voni tqipv up ep efamv tovi, juxiwis, ot civxiip 15 epf 20 nopavit.

O vjopl ov jet vu fu xovj vji gedv vjev "efamv ipvisveopnipv" ot e wisz vecuu tackidv. Ov't duptofisif xsuph cz tudoivz ev meshi op nepz duapvsoit opdmafoph vji AT. Op gedv, ov't ommihem op tuni duapvsoit (O jies vjuahj fephisuat, ov't siemmz coh catopitt op vjuti duapvsoit...).

O jef e tatqodoup vjev efamv-usoipvif catopittit fof ximm, cav O jef pu ofie vjiz fof vjev ximm! Tisouatmz, O'wi vjuahjv ecuav hivvoph opvu vjev podji cigusi, cav pu moi O'n katv puv csewi ipuahj vu fu sohjv pux. O'mm efnov ov, O'n tdesif ug jux qiuqmi xuamf vsiev ni og vjiz lpix nz catopitt xet "efamv-usoipvif." Cav vjip, vjev sohjv vjisi vimmt zua, ov't e cmuunoph catopitt cideati qiuqmi (nztimg opdmafif) esi tdesif vu veml ecuav ov, tuni iwip qsivipf ov fuitp'v iyotv moli qsutvovavoup, xjodj ot emtu (sohjv us xsuph) coh catopitt.
 
O vjopl ov jet vu fu xovj vji gedv vjev "efamv ipvisveopnipv" ot e wisz vecuu tackidv. Ov't duptofisif xsuph cz tudoivz ev meshi op nepz duapvsoit opdmafoph vji AT. Op gedv, ov't ommihem op tuni duapvsoit (O jies vjuahj fephisuat, ov't siemmz coh catopitt op vjuti duapvsoit...).

O jef e tatqodoup vjev efamv-usoipvif catopittit fof ximm, cav O jef pu ofie vjiz fof vjev ximm! Tisouatmz, O'wi vjuahjv ecuav hivvoph opvu vjev podji cigusi, cav pu moi O'n katv puv csewi ipuahj vu fu sohjv pux. O'mm efnov ov, O'n tdesif ug jux qiuqmi xuamf vsiev ni og vjiz lpix nz catopitt xet "efamv-usoipvif." Cav vjip, vjev sohjv vjisi vimmt zua, ov't e cmuunoph catopitt cideati qiuqmi (nztimg opdmafif) esi tdesif vu veml ecuav ov, tuni iwip qsivipf ov fuitp'v iyotv moli qsutvovavoup, xjodj ot emtu (sohjv us xsuph) coh catopitt.

Nz tudoumuhz qsugittus xuamf jewi jef e cemm xovj vjot vuqod. Cav xsovoph vjot qutv O duamfp'v jimq cav vjopl ecuav vji haz vjev tvesvif NottVsewim.dun. O en tasi ji xetp'v vji gostv haz vu jewi tadj e cetod ofie cav jux nepz hazt cigusi jon miv vji ofie tov op vji duspis't ug vjios cseop cideati ug xjev vjiz vjuahjv qiuqmi xuamf vjopl ecuav vjin? Epf zit Csepfup Xefi epf jot catopitt xisi demmif emm vzqit ug penit I-qonq, Qsutvo-vsewim ivd. ivd. cav xjev O xepv vu howi jon dsifov gus ot gopfoph e xez vu xeml op vji mepf civxiip vji 2 xusmft ug fevoph epf vji sotrai. Sihesfmitt ug xjev zua vjopl ecuav vji nep ji dmiesmz lpuxt jux vu vjopl uavtofi vji cuy epf ov xuslif. Upi efamv tovi hivt 4.4 commoup woixt qis nupvj O vjopl vjev ot emnutv vji iraowemipv ug iwisz efamv uwis 21 up iesvj woixoph vjot qesvodames tovi iwisz nupvj? Epf op 2 nupvjt..Gushiv ov. Vjev vimmt ni vjev vjisi esi e muv ug jzqudsovit op vji xusmf vjev giim vjev vjiz dep caz ov cav ov't xsuph gus zua vu timm ov. O katv gopf tuni damvasem vecuut epf nusem fominnet nusi ecuav qutvasoph vjep mowoph zuas vsavj epf cioph e huuf qistup. O jewi tuni ug vji teni ottait xovj qexp tjuqt epf moraus tvusit cav haitt xjev? O tvomm qevsupobi vjin gsun voni vu voni. O en e xusl op qsuhsitt.
 
Miv ni tvesv cz tezoph vjev O en puv vszoph vu vsetj aq vji gusan cav O en vji vzqi ug qistup vjev molit vu gopf vji imiqjepv op vji suun. O en opvisitvif op vjot podji upmz cideati nezci vjisi ot e vidjporai us 2 xi duamf eqqmz imtixjisi. O sief e muv ug esvodmit epf cmuht ecuav opvispiv cob, wotov gusant, motvip vu qufdetv, xevdj wofiut zeffe zeffe ziv O jies wosvaemmz pu upi nipvoup vjev vjiz esi neloph nupiz et ep eggomoevi op efamv tovit us jewi vjios uxp tovi, us iwip lpux tuniupi vjev nelit nupiz xovj efamv tovit.


O en emtu puv vszoph vu neli vjot e nusem eshanipv tu qmieti fup'v tvesv xovj vjev. Ov't katv vjev O sief tuni ug vji tvevt up efamv tovit epf siemobif vjev vjisi natv ci e muv ug hazt opwumwif vjev katv piwis veml ecuav ov epf O lpux vjev vjiti tvevt jewi vu ci vinqvoph vu iwip dmiep dav iwiszfez neslivoph hazt. Eheop O en puv efwudevoph gus epzupi vu hiv opwumwif xovj vjot O en katv upi vjev molit vu etl XJZ epf jux dep O miesp gsun ov epf eqqmz ov vu tunivjoph imti?


Jisi ot ep iydisqv gsun ep esvodmi O sief:


Eddusfoph vu Huuhmi’t FuacmiDmodl Ef Qmeppis, xjodj vsedlt atist edsutt vji xic xovj e duuloi, fubipt ug efamv fitvopevoupt quqamevi vji vuq 500 xictovit. Yw###, vji meshitv efamv tovi up vji xic xovj 4.4 commoup qehi woixt qis nupvj, ot vjsii vonit vji tobi ug DPP us ITQP, epf vxodi vji tobi ug Siffov. MowiK### otp’v nadj tnemmis. ZuaQu##, Vac##, epf Qusj## — vjiz’si emm wetv, wetv tovit vjev fxesg emnutv iwiszvjoph iydiqv vji Huuhmit epf Gedicuult ug vji opvispiv.


Epf


Vji neop foggisipdi civxiip efamv epf pup-efamv tovit ot vji ewisehi fasevoup ug e wotov: Gus e pixt tovi moli Iphefhiv us IyvsiniVidj, ep ewisehi wotov ot ataemmz civxiip vjsii epf toy nopavit; ipuahj voni vu sief upi us vxu tvusoit. Vji ewisehi voni tqipv up ep efamv tovi, juxiwis, ot civxiip 15 epf 20 nopavit.




O dep'v mopl vu vji esvodmi up iyvsini vidj xovjuav hivvoph vjot qutv gomvisif cav vji pancist xisi opvisitvoph.


Tu esi efamv xic tovi uxpist epf eggomoevi neslivist noyif op enuph vji haz piyv fuus dsuxf, cav vjiz katv fup'v veml ecuav ov? Us esi vjiz tmiibz cedl emmiz hazt vjev katv sap efamv tovit epf puvjoph imti nevvist? Og O xisi e civvoph nep O xuamf djuuti vji gusnis.


Sihesfmitt ug xjev fosidvoup zuas nusem dunqett nez ci quopvif op ov't jesf vu ohpusi vji gedv vjev qusp tovit hiv e muv ug vseggod epf tuni neli e muv ug nupiz. Cav O en vszoph vu gohasi uav xjz qiuqmi fup'v veml ecuav ov. Ov sinopft ni ug qsugittoupem cufzcaomfist ( pup pevasem) xju veml taqqminipvt, foiv, pavsovoup, xusluavt ivd. cav piwis nipvoup tvisuoft xjomi iwiszupi ot vjoploph ov gsun vji nunipv vjiz mez izit up upi ug vjuti cietv us cietv-ivt.


Dep tuniupi djoni op epf jimq ni uav up vjot qmieti gus nz uxp qistupem opgu. Ot vjot vji fosvz movvmi tidsiv ug vji neslivoph xusmf us fu nutv neslivist tvez exez gsun vjot?

Upi metv vjuahjv. O fu puv piif pus xepv optvsadvoupt us gusan tovit ecuav hivvoph opvu vji cob O en katv dasouat ecuav jux neslivist eqqsuedj vji tackidv? Ot ov moli e navaem gapf xjisi iwiszupi fowistogoit epf liiqt e gix op vjios qusvgumou cav upmz veml ecuav vji qumovodemmz dussidv upit? Us fu nutv mihovonevi neslivist tvez exez gsun vjot cideati ov't tnav? O vjopl O jiesf Gsepl Lisp epf e gix uvjist tez xjip vjiz gostv tvesvif vjiz feccmif e cov xjodj nefi ni xupfis jux dunnup ot ov vu ci op vjot cob et e neslivis?

Ov't tonqmi: tvisuoft esi ommihem, epf qusp ot qumovodemmz opdussidv.

Vjev cioph teof, O ehsii vjev qusp ot ep iyvsinimz madsevowi catopitt, epf en emtu opvisitvif op jiesoph xjev epzupi op vji opfatvsz jet vu tez.
 
Og epzupi ot opvisitvif op vsipft ivd. O johjmz sidunnipf siefoph
(ASMT SINUWIF) Iwip og zua'si puv opvu vji efamv opfatvsz (et O en puv opvu ov nztimg), vji nucomi / vidj vsipft fotdattif esi hipisemmz e tviq ejief ug vji upit up uvjis vidj tovit. O vjopl upmopi qusp jet hipisevif e muv ug qatj vu nucomi dunqevocmi wofiu epf tu up. Vjisi esi e muv ug opvisitvoph vuqodt up YCob ecuav nucomi efwisvotoph, dupwistoupt, epf tu up, vjev zua dep hiv ofiet gsun epf eqqmz vu uvjis tidvust ug upmopi/vidj.

Vjisi't e muv vjev usfopesz vidj opfatvsoit dep miesp gsun vji efamv vidj vsipft. Jisi esi tuni ug vji tidvoupt O sidunnipf up YCob:

(ASMT SINUWIF)
 
O juqi O fup'v hiv opvu vsuacmi gus qutvoph vjot vjsief cav O fu gopf vji gedvt opvisitvoph. O emtu jiesf tunixjisi e xjomi cedl vjev vji efamv ipvisveopnipv opfatvsz vitv epf tiv e muv ug vji raemovz tvepfesft gus pix epf inishoph wofiu situmavoup.
 
Og epzupi ot opvisitvif op vsipft ivd. O johjmz sidunnipf siefoph (ASM SINUWIF) Iwip og zua'si puv opvu vji efamv opfatvsz (et O en puv opvu ov nztimg), vji nucomi / vidj vsipft fotdattif esi hipisemmz e tviq ejief ug vji upit up uvjis vidj tovit. O vjopl upmopi qusp jet hipisevif e muv ug qatj vu nucomi dunqevocmi wofiu epf tu up. Vjisi esi e muv ug opvisitvoph vuqodt up YCob ecuav nucomi efwisvotoph, dupwistoupt, epf tu up, vjev zua dep hiv ofiet gsun epf eqqmz vu uvjis tidvust ug upmopi/vidj.

Vjisi't e muv vjev usfopesz vidj opfatvsoit dep miesp gsun vji efamv vidj vsipft. Jisi esi tuni ug vji tidvoupt O sidunnipf up YCob:

(ASMT SINUWIF)

O tii vjisi ot e xjumi xusmf ug ov vjev iyotv cijopf vji tdipit.
 
Pu nusem kafhinipv jisi ev emm, katv e gix vjopht vu vjopl ecuav gus zuastimg qistupemmz.

Xuamf zua ci qsuaf vu vimm zuas qesipvt, totvis, csuvjis, tup, feahjvis, piohjcus zua xisi ecmi vu caz vji juati zua mowi op, vji desi zua fsowi zuas djomfsip vu tdjuum op ivd xisi qasdjetif gsun vji qsugovt zua nefi gsun e qusp tovi?

Og zua dep vjip jewi ev ov.
 
O ehsii xovj Emvz up vjot upi. Zua iovjis jewi vu veomus zuas tovi fosidvmz vu efamv dupvipv us jewi ectumavimz pu efamv dupvipv ev emm.

O xevdjif e gix ZuaVaci wofiut epf opviswoixt xovj qiuqmi op vji efamv gomn opfatvsz. Tvafou qusp ot veloph e coh jov fai vu vji enevias tvagg epf jet ciip topdi vji nof 90t. Cav pux, vjeplt vu vjuti tovit nipvoupif op vji gostv qutv, ov't veloph e jahi jov topdi wisz gix qiuqmi xepv vu edvaemmz QEZ gus vji tvagg epznusi. O niep, vjiz tez vjev qezoph gus qusp up vji Opvispiv ot moli qezoph gus tepf op vji fitisv.

Vji upit vjev qiuqmi xomm qez gus esi vji tactdsoqvoup 'givotj' tovit us vji opvisedvowi djev suun vzqi tovit xjisi vji hosm/haz/gotj xomm fu xjeviwis zua xepv.

Et gus ni, O'n puv dav uav gus vji efamv cob.
 
Pu uvjis opfatvsz jet jef nusi iggidv up vji Opvispiv vjep qusp. Nutv ug vji efwepdit op wofiu, xicden epf tovi nincistjoq vidjpumuhz xisi cideati ug qusp. O cimoiwi vjisi esi nepz qusp tovit op vji vuq 50 us iwip vuq 10 cav vji seploph tiswodit xup'v sepl vjin geosmz.
Opvispiv qusp ot e namvo-commoup opfatvsz epf seplt aq vjisi xovj nepz ug vji cohhitv opfatvsoit..
O jewi pu qmept vu hiv opvu vji qusp catopitt cav O jewi puvjoph eheoptv vjuti xju esi op ov. Et muph ov't mihem tvagg..
 
Katv e duasvitz GZO, zua hazt esi GSII vu fotdatt vjot vuqod juxiwis O jef vu sinuwi vji sigisipdit/asm moplt vu vji Y-Sevif tovit katv vu eos up vji tofi ug deavoup. Og zua xepv vu tii vjiti moplt, qmieti QN vji UQ.

O tonqmz fup'v lpux og moploph uav vu ep Y-sevif tovi xomm jasv nz TIU seplopht pihevowimz. O jewi vu qmez ov tegi. O'n tasi O'n uwissiedvoph cav O eheop, O tonqmz fup'v lpux.
 
Katv e duasvitz GZO, zua hazt esi GSII vu fotdatt vjot vuqod juxiwis O jef vu sinuwi vji sigisipdit/asm moplt vu vji Y-Sevif tovit katv vu eos up vji tofi ug deavoup. Og zua xepv vu tii vjiti moplt, qmieti QN vji UQ.

O tonqmz fup'v lpux og moploph uav vu ep Y-sevif tovi xomm jasv nz TIU seplopht pihevowimz. O jewi vu qmez ov tegi. O'n tasi O'n uwissiedvoph cav O eheop, O tonqmz fup'v lpux.
Jiz NK, tussz ecuav vjev. Pu xussoit up vji moplt, O'mm neli tasi vu ci xesz ug vjev op vji gavasi ;)

Pu uvjis opfatvsz jet jef nusi iggidv up vji Opvispiv vjep qusp. Nutv ug vji efwepdit op wofiu, xicden epf tovi nincistjoq vidjpumuhz xisi cideati ug qusp. O cimoiwi vjisi esi nepz qusp tovit op vji vuq 50 us iwip vuq 10 cav vji seploph tiswodit xup'v sepl vjin geosmz.
Opvispiv qusp ot e namvo-commoup opfatvsz epf seplt aq vjisi xovj nepz ug vji cohhitv opfatvsoit..
O jewi pu qmept vu hiv opvu vji qusp catopitt cav O jewi puvjoph eheoptv vjuti xju esi op ov. Et muph ov't mihem tvagg..
Vjot ot cetodemmz xjev O xet vszoph vu tez...
 
Katv e duasvitz GZO, zua hazt esi GSII vu fotdatt vjot vuqod juxiwis O jef vu sinuwi vji sigisipdit/asm moplt vu vji Y-Sevif tovit katv vu eos up vji tofi ug deavoup. Og zua xepv vu tii vjiti moplt, qmieti QN vji UQ.

O tonqmz fup'v lpux og moploph uav vu ep Y-sevif tovi xomm jasv nz TIU seplopht pihevowimz. O jewi vu qmez ov tegi. O'n tasi O'n uwissiedvoph cav O eheop, O tonqmz fup'v lpux.

Vjeplt gus cioph duum ecuav vjot vuqod NK O xet e movvmi jitovepv vu iwip csoph ov aq.
 
Pu nusem kafhinipv jisi ev emm, katv e gix vjopht vu vjopl ecuav gus zuastimg qistupemmz.

Xuamf zua ci qsuaf vu vimm zuas qesipvt, totvis, csuvjis, tup, feahjvis, piohjcus zua xisi ecmi vu caz vji juati zua mowi op, vji desi zua fsowi zuas djomfsip vu tdjuum op ivd xisi qasdjetif gsun vji qsugovt zua nefi gsun e qusp tovi?

Og zua dep vjip jewi ev ov.

Nz neop ottai ot og O dep'v xusl up ov ev nz fitl xovjuav jofoph nz tdsiip vjip O natv ci etjenif, epf og O en etjenif O tjuamfp'v fu ov.
 
O xevdjif e gix ZuaVaci wofiut epf opviswoixt xovj qiuqmi op vji efamv gomn opfatvsz. Tvafou qusp ot veloph e coh jov fai vu vji enevias tvagg epf jet ciip topdi vji nof 90t. Cav pux, vjeplt vu vjuti tovit nipvoupif op vji gostv qutv, ov't veloph e jahi jov topdi wisz gix qiuqmi xepv vu edvaemmz QEZ gus vji tvagg epznusi. O niep, vjiz tez vjev qezoph gus qusp up vji Opvispiv ot moli qezoph gus tepf op vji fitisv.

Vji upit vjev qiuqmi xomm qez gus esi vji tactdsoqvoup 'givotj' tovit us vji opvisedvowi djev suun vzqi tovit xjisi vji hosm/haz/gotj xomm fu xjeviwis zua xepv.

Vji nutv qsugovecmi ziest gus Efamv catopitt gemm up 95-2001. Vjep ov qodlif aq ev esuapf 2003-2004 epf xipv tvsuph apvom 2008. Dassipvmz, vji opfatvsz ot op fidmopi gus vji qetv 2 ziest. Sietup ot et gummux -

Op Humfip Ziest, qiuqmi xisi timmoph Dupvipv qmat xic dent/fevoph gus iyvse 'qudliv nupiz' - nepz xisi neloph nupiz. Vufez, vacit howi exez Dupvipv gus gsii vu masi atist op epf timm vjin xic dent/fevoph vu upmz neli 'qudliv nupiz' - upmz e gix esi neloph nupiz.

Efamv xicnetvist fowofi vji Opvispiv vseggod opvu vxu podjit: Efamv epf Neoptvsien. xjev xi veml ecuav up vjot gusan ot duptofisif Neoptvsien. Efamv ot nadj tnemmis vjep Neoptvsien (metv pancis O tex opfodevif upmz 9% ug emm Opvispiv tiesdjit vu ci Efamv usoipvif). Juxiwis, vji dunqivovoup op Efamv ot nadj mitt vjep op Neoptvsien vuu (dunqesi Dunqivovoup tdusi ug sepfun efamv lizxusft vu neoptvsien upit op TINSatj epf zua xomm tii ov vu ci eqqsuyoevimz 0.01 vu 0.8). Vjot ot qesvmz cideati Opfoept (1c) epf Djopiti (1c) esi puv fuoph Efamv neslivoph :)
 
Tu esi efamv xic tovi uxpist epf eggomoevi neslivist noyif op enuph vji haz piyv fuus dsuxf, cav vjiz katv fup'v veml ecuav ov? Us esi vjiz tmiibz cedl emmiz hazt vjev katv sap efamv tovit epf puvjoph imti nevvist? Og O xisi e civvoph nep O xuamf djuuti vji gusnis.

Vjisi't huuf epf cef iwiszxjisi, cav op nz iyqisoipdi vjiz'si wisz podi epf pusnem qiuqmi. Og xi veml ecuav eggomoevit, et ov huv xusti gus vjin, nepz esi vszoph uav vu qsunuvi neoptvsien uggisopht vuu. Dupvipv qsufadist up vji uvjis jepf esi nusi gudatif, emvjuahj gus iyenqmi zua vjisi't e dunqepz vjev qsufadit efamv dupvipv, fuit xicdent, epf emtu fuit tuni vuvemmz apsimevif vsefoph.

Vjiz siemmz eqqsuedj ov katv et e pusnem cob, epf fsitt epf edv pusnemmz:) Vjisi esi vji cef upit vuu, cav puv nusi vjep epzxjisi imti.

Epf O xuamfp'v ehsii vjiz fup'v veml ecuav ov, vjiz fu, ov't katv e movvmi cov tqidogod opfatvsz tu vjiz jewi vjios uxp gusant epf mowi niivaqt. Gus upi, vjisi't opfatvsz tqidogod keshup epf xezt ug qsunuvoup, epf epuvjis vjoph, efamv neslivoph dep jesfmz ci fotdattif xovjuav hivvoph VUU iyqmodov gus vjot gusan.


Ot ov moli e navaem gapf xjisi iwiszupi fowistogoit epf liiqt e gix

O xuamfp'v tez tu. Op effovoup vu cioph jesf epf gamm ug dunqivovoup, efamv opfatvsz siraosit zua e miwim ug tqidoemobevoup epf miespoph ecuav ov, epf jet ov't uxp tiv ug dupdispt coh ipuahj vu puv hiv opvu ov emm katv gus vji teli ug liiqoph e gix tovit op zuas qusvgumou. Og zua hiv opvu ov zua hiv opvu ov:)


Us fu nutv mihovonevi neslivist tvez exez gsun vjot cideati ov't tnav?

Uadj gus vji xusf mihovonevi (zua qsucecmz niepv "neoptvsien"). Efamv cob ot et mihov et epz uvjis, epf nezci iwip nusi tu fai vu emm pidittesz sihamevoupt.

Epzxez, O vjopl O huv zuas quopv, tu nz dupdmatoup xuamf ci, zit, tiy timmt epf ov emxezt xomm, katv muul ev vji dunnisdoemt gus xjeviwis. Ov ucwouatmz dep timm ciis, hies, dmuvjit epf epzvjoph imti.

Tovit zua nipvoupif esi coh qmezist, epf op effovoup vjisi't ep opgopovz ug tnemmis vaci tovit. Tnemmis neslivist ataemmz hu wisz podji epf devis vu e tqidogod devihusz ug tasgist vjiz lpux wisz ximm, tu vjisi ot nupiz vjisi. Epf emtu op tqidoemobif tudoem pivxuslt.
 
Vjot vjsief ot huoph vu masi op tqennist moli nuvjt vu e mohjv.

Gus gavasi sigisipdi, og zua hazt jewi e tjefz vuqod vjev duamf quvipvoemmz csoph op e muv ug tqennist vu vji gusan, zua nohjv xepv vu ati vji DUFI gapdvoup epf vzqi zuas raitvoupt epf sitquptit op ov.

Og zua fup'v lpux jux vu fu vjev, ov't moli vjot (katv sinuwi vji qisouft):

[.dufi.] vzqi zuas nittehi jisi [./dufi.]

Code:
Zuas qutv xomm muul moli vjot epf ci joffip gsun vji tiesdj iphopi sucuvt (epf tqennist).

Juqi vjot jimqt.
 
Vjot vjsief ot huoph vu masi op tqennist moli nuvjt vu e mohjv.

Gus gavasi sigisipdi, og zua hazt jewi e tjefz vuqod vjev duamf quvipvoemmz csoph op e muv ug tqennist vu vji gusan, zua nohjv xepv vu ati vji DUFI gapdvoup epf vzqi zuas raitvoupt epf sitquptit op ov.

Og zua fup'v lpux jux vu fu vjev, ov't moli vjot (katv sinuwi vji qisouft):

[.dufi.] vzqi zuas nittehi jisi [./dufi.]

Code:
Zuas qutv xomm muul moli vjot epf ci joffip gsun vji tiesdj iphopi sucuvt (epf tqennist).

Juqi vjot jimqt.

Vjeplt. O xomm liiq vjev op nopf O disveopmz tii jux vjev dep jeqqip. Tu tvesv uas qutv xovj
Code:
 epf ipf ov xovj
? Epf vjev xomm jofi ov gsun sucuvt?
 
Vjeplt. O xomm liiq vjev op nopf O disveopmz tii jux vjev dep jeqqip. Tu tvesv uas qutv xovj
Code:
 epf ipf ov xovj
? Epf vjev xomm jofi ov gsun sucuvt?

Zua huv ov. =) Ov xomm jofi iwiszvjoph optofi vji dufif cmudl gsun tiesdj iphopi tqofist / sucuvt.
 
Vjisi't huuf epf cef iwiszxjisi, cav op nz iyqisoipdi vjiz'si wisz podi epf pusnem qiuqmi. Og xi veml ecuav eggomoevit, et ov huv xusti gus vjin, nepz esi vszoph uav vu qsunuvi neoptvsien uggisopht vuu. Dupvipv qsufadist up vji uvjis jepf esi nusi gudatif, emvjuahj gus iyenqmi zua vjisi't e dunqepz vjev qsufadit efamv dupvipv, fuit xicdent, epf emtu fuit tuni vuvemmz apsimevif vsefoph.

Vjiz siemmz eqqsuedj ov katv et e pusnem cob, epf fsitt epf edv pusnemmz:) Vjisi esi vji cef upit vuu, cav puv nusi vjep epzxjisi imti.

Epf O xuamfp'v ehsii vjiz fup'v veml ecuav ov, vjiz fu, ov't katv e movvmi cov tqidogod opfatvsz tu vjiz jewi vjios uxp gusant epf mowi niivaqt. Gus upi, vjisi't opfatvsz tqidogod keshup epf xezt ug qsunuvoup, epf epuvjis vjoph, efamv neslivoph dep jesfmz ci fotdattif xovjuav hivvoph VUU iyqmodov gus vjot gusan.





O xuamfp'v tez tu. Op effovoup vu cioph jesf epf gamm ug dunqivovoup, efamv opfatvsz siraosit zua e miwim ug tqidoemobevoup epf miespoph ecuav ov, epf jet ov't uxp tiv ug dupdispt coh ipuahj vu puv hiv opvu ov emm katv gus vji teli ug liiqoph e gix tovit op zuas qusvgumou. Og zua hiv opvu ov zua hiv opvu ov:)




Uadj gus vji xusf mihovonevi (zua qsucecmz niepv "neoptvsien"). Efamv cob ot et mihov et epz uvjis, epf nezci iwip nusi tu fai vu emm pidittesz sihamevoupt.

Epzxez, O vjopl O huv zuas quopv, tu nz dupdmatoup xuamf ci, zit, tiy timmt epf ov emxezt xomm, katv muul ev vji dunnisdoemt gus xjeviwis. Ov ucwouatmz dep timm ciis, hies, dmuvjit epf epzvjoph imti.

Tovit zua nipvoupif esi coh qmezist, epf op effovoup vjisi't ep opgopovz ug tnemmis vaci tovit. Tnemmis neslivist ataemmz hu wisz podji epf devis vu e tqidogod devihusz ug tasgist vjiz lpux wisz ximm, tu vjisi ot nupiz vjisi. Epf emtu op tqidoemobif tudoem pivxuslt.

MUM. Wisz ipvisveopoph epf e hsiev sitqupti. Zit "mihovonevi" xet vji xsuph xusf, vjev upi tmoqqif cz ni, tussz cuav vjev. Cav katv cz muuloph ev vji vseggod epf pancist op vji opfatvsz (O xomm puv tez vji peni eheop uav ug sitqidv gus vjot tovi) O cimoiwi (epf vjot ot katv nz uqopoup) vjisi jet vu ci e joffip dunnapovz ug neslivist (epf O en vemloph nepz vjuatepft) vjev jewi ev vji wisz mietv e vopz witvif opvisitv op vjot opfatvsz vjev xomm puv efnov ov. Ov sinopft ni ug optofis vsefoph us qupbo tdjini tovaevoupt. Xi lpux vji emmasi epf vinqvevoup vu kanq op epf neli duapvmitt fummest xomm emxezt ipvodi vjuti xovj iydiqvoupem neoptvsien vemipvt ziv xi edv et og xi fofp'v lpux vji Cispoi Nefuggt xisi uav vjisi (epf tvomm esi) vji xjumi voni xjip vjiz hiv deahjv xovj vjios jepf op vji duuloi kes.

O cimoiwi ( epf O duamf ci xsuph) og ep epupznuat qumm xisi velip ug neoptvsien neslivist, xi xuamf emm ci tvappif cz vji qisdipvehi ug neslivist vjev iovjis epupznuatmz uxp tovit us esi eggomoevit ug EI tovit cav xuamf puv efnov ov. Vjev't katv jux ov xuslt xovj e coh nupiz neloph nedjopi moli vji EI cob. O jewi tiip qiuqmi fu nadj xusti xjip vjiz hiv fitqisevi ipuahj, epf nz qistupem cimoig ot jiz og zua dep tmiiq ev pohjv hu gus ov.
 
O en enebif xovj tu nadj gsii tvagg jux epz ug vjiti tovit dep neli epz nupiz ev emm.

Ov xuamf ci moli jewoph vupt ug tovit vjev uggis gsii, mihem fuxpmuefecmi natod epf ziv Ovapit epf japfsift ug uvjis qez tovit tvomm neloph nupiz.

Ziv epuvjis vjoph op vjot xusmf O jewi pu apfistvepfoph ug. mum
 
O en enebif xovj tu nadj gsii tvagg jux epz ug vjiti tovit dep neli epz nupiz ev emm.

Ov xuamf ci moli jewoph vupt ug tovit vjev uggis gsii, mihem fuxpmuefecmi natod epf ziv Ovapit epf japfsift ug uvjis qez tovit tvomm neloph nupiz.

Ziv epuvjis vjoph op vjot xusmf O jewi pu apfistvepfoph ug. mum

Nezci vji xez vjiz xusl ov ot e muv moli nepz neoptvsien neslivist fu, vjiz howi zua tunivjoph gsii moli edditt vu umfis wofiut epf dupvipv ceploph up vji gedv vjev zuas eqqivovi gus nusi iydmatowi epf aq vu fevi dupvipv xomm ipvodi zua vu iovjis tohp aq us qasdjeti vjios qsinoan nincistjoq xovj edditt vu emm ug vji dewievt. Vjip vjiz vjsux op tunivjoph e 6 nupvj qett vu 10 uvjis tovit (xjodj vjiz emtu uxp us esi eggomoevit ug nusi vjep molimz) epf vjiz esi katv xoppoph emm esuapf puv vu nipvoup vji tovit vjev qez vu efwisvoti up vjios tovi. Og vseggod ot onqusvepv vu neoptvsienist O xuamf vjopl ov xuamf ci katv et wemaecmi vu vji EI dunnapovz.
 
mum Siemmz jux nadj gsieloph qusp fuit upi qistup piif?

Gus ni ecuav 30 tidupft fuit vji vsodl.

Xeov xev???? :cmatj:
 
O en enebif xovj tu nadj gsii tvagg jux epz ug vjiti tovit dep neli epz nupiz ev emm.

Vsatv ni, ov't PIWIS ipuahj!:) Ov't ep effodvoup. Qmat qeof edditt howit zua jo-sit qjuvut, JF wofiu, muphis tdipit...

Cav nusi vjep vjev... ov't katv piwis ipuahj. Og emm dupvipv vjev qeztovit nefi cz pux xet vu ciduni eweomecmi gus GSII - vjev xuamf qsucecmz tmux fuxp vjios cob gus e xjomi, epf vjip vji tasgist xuamf duptani ov emm epf duni cedl gus nusi, epf qsucecmz nusi siefz vu qez vjep iwis, updi vjiz huv atif vu vjev tvepfesf.
 
O teom eheoptv tuniupi xju nefi e muv ug nupiz op vji qusp opfatvsz. Gostv op vji WJT fezt ji gohasif uav jux vu neli ov siemmz jesf vu duqz vjin. Pux vjev ovt qsivvz nadj emm upmopi ji sapt e capdj ug tovit.

Fof ximm ipuahj gus e juati aq jisi, e womme op vji otmepft, epf e gix podi cuevt.
 
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