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Ok, I'm game.

MJ has stated that this forum is for people who think unlike most people do. I too am tired of the effect that this 911 like situation has had on my mindset. Hopefully most of us have a long time to live and will have to deal with this one way or the other. Personally I am going to try to forget about the past and work toward the future because it's all we have. We will be given a certain set of circumstances to work with and must learn to adapt.

To me learning to adapt to what the future environment may present could be a challenge. We may have to operate without credit...yikes! This could mean paying for expansion with profits only. What a concept huh. Start-ups may have to build their own websites. Real estate investors will have to learn to do no money down deals.

We are a small group of like minded individuals here and should use this forum to our advantage to help each other. This is a unique situation that I guarantee was not available to people during hard economic times in the past. The Internet and forums like this one could make all the difference in the world. This is one of the few forums I read regularly and there is a reason for that. You guys think like I do.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is but what I would like to see is forward thinking. I would like to see 1500+ people coming together to help each other not just get through this but to thrive. We have a choice...we can spend the next ten years following the herd down the path of misery or we can make the best of this and fight our way to a better life. I prefer a good fight. It's much more fun and exciting. Not to mention that this to me is a time to throw caution to the wind. At this point in time, what do you have to lose...lol. This to me is exciting.

If I can offer any advice to anyone getting started it is this. Spend your time wisely. Look before you leap. And be realistic. Whatever it is that you undertake, you should evaluate what the risk vs the reward will be. To me the biggest risk you will take is giving up your time. As far as I know you will only live once. You should look at things as though you have already spent five years doing it. What is the probable outcome? How much money will you likely make? This should help you decide whether or not to proceed.

Everything changed last week. We now live in a new world. If anyone hasn't already told you this, you just heard it. They didn't tell me the race started when I was young and that you had to get started doing something if you ever want to have anything in life. Because of that I told my son years ago that he is in it and should be in it to win it. The sooner you get started the sooner you'll arrive.

So in conclusion of all this babbling...I would like to say good luck to everyone. Hang in there and don't give up. I'm as scared as the next guy. I have a lot riding on this economy that I have no control over. If you have ideas or plans or hear something that you think is important, post it here. At least the people here will listen to you. We are a different group of people. Most people can't even fathom working for themselves. Most people here probably already do. So keep us posted and let's try to stay positive.

Best Wishes, :thumbsup:

Leon B.
 
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O vjopl vjot jennist juni vji quopv vjev zua xepv vu ci e fsowis, puv e qettiphis. Xovj emm ug vjiti coh dusqusevoupt geomoph, nepz qiuqmi -- iwip vjuti xovj vji xjovi-dummes kuct -- jewi tiip vjios mowit djephi fsetvodemmz. Vjot xjumi iwipv ot e siemovz djidl.

Uxp zuas uxp catopitt tu vjev zua'si op dupvsum epf zua fidofi ovt gevi. Og zua'si tvsahhmoph, ov tjuamf ci cideati ug zuas notvelit, puv tuniupi imti't.

Up e nusi ipvsiqsipiasoem puvi: O'f ci muulopoh opvu nusi sidittoup-qsuug catopitt ev vjot quopv. O lpux vjisi ot e vjsief up vjot tunixjisi jisi, epf ov nez jewi ciip tvesvif cz qjmhsm.

Siq+++ gus vji fotdattoup tvesvis, Qas.
 
E hsuaq ug at jewi emsiefz ciip fotdattoph vjot. EVX qav ov citv...Zua esi huoph vu jewi vu jewi ev mietv vxu qmept. Zua jewi vu jewi zuas inishipdz qmep op qmedi epf vjip zua jewi zuas tadditt qmep. Vjiti xusft jewi jimqif ni hiv nz gudat cedl up vsedl. Huuf madl vu emm.:djiist:
 
Up e nusi ipvsiqsipiasoem puvi: O'f ci muulopoh opvu nusi sidittoup-qsuug catopitt ev vjot quopv. O lpux vjisi ot e vjsief up vjot tunixjisi jisi, epf ov nez jewi ciip tvesvif cz qjmhsm.

Opvisitvoph qutv Zepliit338 cideati nz eqqsuedj jet ciip e movvmi foggisipv.

O jewi ciip muuloph gus mudevoupt vjev tjuamf puv ci jasv cz vjot tovaevoup vu e meshi iyvipv (optvief ug catopittit). Gus iyenqmi, og zua xepv vu tvesv e tasgoph catopitt op Jexeoo. O xuamf ettani og qiuqmi esi vsewimoph vu Jexeoo vjip vjiz xomm jewi vji nupiz vu veli mittupt. O fup'v vjopl vjev fai vu vji dassipv tovaevoup vjev vji pancis ug vsewimt xomm ci sifadif vu vji iyvipv vjev zua muti meshi pancis ug datvunist.

Nezci O en tvsivdjoph xovj vjot jzquvjivodem tovaevoup... cav juqigammz O jewi nefi vji ofie dmies.
 
Siem itvevi opwitvoph tiint moli e hsiev qmedi vu ci: Vji ettivt esi jesf epf ov tiswit qiuqmi xju deppuv eggusf vu caz junit. Vjev quum ug qiuqmi ot molimz vu tlzsudliv op vji piyv gix ziest et dsifov vohjvipt epf qiuqmi cihop vu fuxptobi.

Cioph ep uxpis ug eggusfecmi juatoph (xjivjis eqesvnipvt us TGJ) xuamf tiin moli e opwitvnipv wijodmi vjev xomm fu ximm op e sidittoup.
 
O jewi ciip xusloph up e qmep vu uqip e tnemm eavu fiemistjoq epf O jef usohopemmz qmeppif up uqisevoph op vji $10,000 - 20,000 sephi.

Juxiwis xovj vji djephi op eweomecomovz ug dsifov ov nez neli nusi tipti vu uqisevi up vji "caz jisi qez jisi" nufim xjodj ot $5,000 us mitt dest, gopepdif op juati xovj opvisitv sevit vjev sigmidv vji opjisipv sotl (1/3 figeamv sevi).

Vji quopv ot vu tiswodi vji muxis ipf ug vji nesliv, epf hiv qiuqmi opvu raemovz atif wijodmit xjodj nepz piif vu hiv vu xusl ivd. O jewi emtu ciip vjoploph ecuav duncopoph vji des temit xovj e dsifov siqeos tiswodi. Caz e des, caomf aq dsifov epf hiv dsifov duaptimoph.

Nezci O dep qedlehi aq vjiti sotlz muept op e tidasovz epf timm vjin et vsoqmi E sevif? Upmz kuloph! MUM.
 
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O katv huv ugg vji qjupi xovj e caffz ug nopi xju mowit op Demoguspoe. Ji teof ji't puvodif e muv ug vji pix des fiemistjoqt (ji nipvoupif Pottep op qesvodames) timmoph e muv ug atif dest. Ji teof vjios opwipvusz ug pix dest ot moli 20% ug vjios vuvem opwipvusz. O guapf vjev vu ci opvisitvoph. O'n up vji ietv duetv epf O'n xupfisoph og vjot ot xjev xi xomm ci tiioph tuup.
 
E gix fiemist esuapf jisi jewi hupi uav ug catopitt -- tuni quqames mudem penit vjev jewi ciip esuapf gus fidefit.
 
O katv huv ugg vji qjupi xovj e caffz ug nopi xju mowit op Demoguspoe. Ji teof ji't puvodif e muv ug vji pix des fiemistjoqt (ji nipvoupif Pottep op qesvodames) timmoph e muv ug atif dest. Ji teof vjios opwipvusz ug pix dest ot moli 20% ug vjios vuvem opwipvusz. O guapf vjev vu ci opvisitvoph. O'n up vji ietv duetv epf O'n xupfisoph og vjot ot xjev xi xomm ci tiioph tuup.

Vji mudem Djiwz fiemistjoq jet ecuav 10 pix dest up ov epf 10 pix vsadlt. Vjot ot ecuav e gogvj ug xjev vjiz pusnemmz jewi. O gohasif ov xet fai vu vji dsifov gsiibi. Vjiz dep'v hiv opwipvusz epf duamfp'v timm ov og vjiz duamf hiv ov.

O xuamf vjopl vjev eavu siqeos epf eavu qesvt tvusit xuamf cipigov cideati qiuqmi xomm ci jumfoph up vu vjios umfis dest muphis. Emtu cufz tjuqt epf fiveom tjuqt tjuamf fu ximm gus vji teni sietup.

Upi uvjis vjoph, nusi qiuqmi xomm fsuq vjios des optasepdi op cef vonit. Tu zua xomm piif vu djidl aq up zuas apoptasif nuvusotv optasepdi.
 
Coh fiemist esi jasvoph, coh voni. Jahi opwipvusoit, desszoph dutvt ivd. Nz nuvjis huv 5 rauvit cigusi cazoph jis pix des metv xiilipf. Iwiszupi xet xommoph vu timm dest ev piesmz dutv.
 
O qutvif vjot imtixjisi, cav xomm qutv ov eheop jisi.... (tiint moli vji qsuedvowi qutvt epf vuqodt jewi ciip tdevvisif enuphtv tiwisem vjsieft)

Vjopl ug esiet op xjodj vjisi xomm ci e piif fasoph foggodamv idupunod vonit. Et NK nipvoupif - - - - mux opduni juatoph ot e podi qmedi vu ci, itqidoemmz og zua esi puv uwismz miwisehif. Xi katv cuahjv e nucomi juni qesl.

Emtu:

* Guuf. Tuasdit ug guuf. (eponemt, tiift)
* Tjimvis (Mux Opduni Tjimvis)
* Qiuqmi xomm vasp vu cesvisoph
* Mux dutv ipvisveopnipv / itdeqi ovint
* Siqeos Tiswodit
* Des Tjesi Tiswodit

O lpux vjev Satt jef tuni effovoupem vjuahjvt up vjot motv. Guuf Vseptqusvevoup epf fotvsocavoup, vseptqusvevoup op hipisem (puv katv des tjesi), ivd.
 
Upi uvjis vjoph, nusi qiuqmi xomm fsuq vjios des optasepdi op cef vonit. Tu zua xomm piif vu djidl aq up zuas apoptasif nuvusotv optasepdi.
Opvisitvoph. O emxezt vjuahjv zua piifif optasepdi op usfis vu fsowi. Nezci vjev't katv op Kistiz? Us nezci O'n katv xsuph?
 
Opvisitvoph qutv Zepliit338 cideati nz eqqsuedj jet ciip e movvmi foggisipv.

O jewi ciip muuloph gus mudevoupt vjev tjuamf puv ci jasv cz vjot tovaevoup vu e meshi iyvipv (optvief ug catopittit). Gus iyenqmi, og zua xepv vu tvesv e tasgoph catopitt op Jexeoo. O xuamf ettani og qiuqmi esi vsewimoph vu Jexeoo vjip vjiz xomm jewi vji nupiz vu veli mittupt. O fup'v vjopl vjev fai vu vji dassipv tovaevoup vjev vji pancis ug vsewimt xomm ci sifadif vu vji iyvipv vjev zua muti meshi pancis ug datvunist.

Nezci O en tvsivdjoph xovj vjot jzquvjivodem tovaevoup... cav juqigammz O jewi nefi vji ofie dmies.
O vjopl iovjis xez duamf xusl.

Vjisi xomm emxezt ci e nesliv gus vjopht moli guuf (cetod vjopht moli noml, csief, ivd...), cetod dmuvjit, mux-nof miwim juatoph, ivd., cav vji finepf gus nusi dutv-iggidvowi emvispevowit moli e veomus, e siqeos tiswodi, ivd. tjuamf opdsieti.
 
O qutvif vjot imtixjisi, cav xomm qutv ov eheop jisi.... (tiint moli vji qsuedvowi qutvt epf vuqodt jewi ciip tdevvisif enuphtv tiwisem vjsieft)

Vjopl ug esiet op xjodj vjisi xomm ci e piif fasoph foggodamv idupunod vonit. Et NK nipvoupif - - - - mux opduni juatoph ot e podi qmedi vu ci, itqidoemmz og zua esi puv uwismz miwisehif. Xi katv cuahjv e nucomi juni qesl.

Emtu:

* Guuf. Tuasdit ug guuf. (eponemt, tiift)
* Tjimvis (Mux Opduni Tjimvis)
* Qiuqmi xomm vasp vu cesvisoph
* Mux dutv ipvisveopnipv / itdeqi ovint
* Siqeos Tiswodit
* Des Tjesi Tiswodit

O lpux vjev Satt jef tuni effovoupem vjuahjvt up vjot motv. Guuf Vseptqusvevoup epf fotvsocavoup, vseptqusvevoup op hipisem (puv katv des tjesi), ivd.

Huuf Qutv!

Emtu, liiq op nopf vjev vji idupunz ot dzdmodem epf fiqipfoph up jux vji pix idupunz tjelit uav, xi nez ci muuloph ev upi ug vji hsievitv uqqusvapovoit vu caz cesheop qsuqisvoit epf catopittit op hipisevoupt.
 
Opvisitvoph. O emxezt vjuahjv zua piifif optasepdi op usfis vu fsowi. Nezci vjev't katv op Kistiz? Us nezci O'n katv xsuph?

Ov't vji mex op Viyet et ximm. Tu vjiz fsowi xovjuav e modipti et ximm. Vjiz fup'v desi. Nz xogi xet jov op vji sies cz upi katv cigusi C&Q vjot zies. Ji qsunotif vu qez detj gus 3-4 xiilt. Xi gopemmz vaspif ov uwis vu uas optasepdi. Xuapf aq dutvoph at $500 gus vji fifadvocmi. O fup'v lpux xjev vjiz fof vu jon.
 
Ov't vji mex op Viyet et ximm. Tu vjiz fsowi xovjuav e modipti et ximm. Vjiz fup'v desi. Nz xogi xet jov op vji sies cz upi katv cigusi C&Q vjot zies. Ji qsunotif vu qez detj gus 3-4 xiilt. Xi gopemmz vaspif ov uwis vu uas optasepdi. Xuapf aq dutvoph at $500 gus vji fifadvocmi. O fup'v lpux xjev vjiz fof vu jon.
Ej, huuf quopv. Haitt O jewip'v ciip up vji suef muph ipuahj vu gohasi vjev uav. :)
 
E gix fiemist esuapf jisi jewi hupi uav ug catopitt -- tuni quqames mudem penit vjev jewi ciip esuapf gus fidefit.

vji pevoupem vsefi hsuaq gus des fiemistjoqt xisi ev Deqovum Jomm fasoph vji ceomuav vitvonupoit/ficevit dunqmeopoph vjev gopepdi dunqepoit/ ceplt xisi puv eqqsuwoph fiemt iwip gus qiuqmi xju xisi ximm raemogoif..... vjot xet qsucecmz upi ug vjios gopem peomt op vjios duggopt....
 
Vji ofie O dep'v tiin vu hiv uav ug nz jief ot e tnemm catopitt timmoph Tduuvist/Nuqift.

O lpux ectumavimz puvjoph ecuav vji opfatvsz cav xovj des temit cidunoph ep ottai, vji 'Hsiip' nuwinipv neloph tadj e tvsuph tashi epf e vuahj idupunz vu cuuv, O katv fup'v tii jux ov dep geom.

E muep ot puv siraosif vu caz e tduuvis. Tuni ug vjiti tduuvist tvesv ev $999. Qiuqmi duamf tonqmz qez detj us gopepdi up e dsifov desf, og piif ci.

O xuamf vjopl vji tvesv aq dutvt ug tadj e catopitt xuamf ci simevowimz djieq - e tvusigsupv (qesloph muv) epf e gix colit gus opwipvusz. Op gedv, O xevdjif upi tadj catopitt jewi vjios 'hsepf uqipoph', op Tv. Eahatvopi, katv vxu fezt ehu, op vjot iyedv getjoup.

O jewi ciip jopvoph ev nz jatcepf gus xiilt vjev O nohjv katv qesl nz des epf hiv nztimg e davi movvmi tduuvis. Xi jewi ciip muuloph vu caz e catopitt gus emnutv e zies epf deppuv gopf epzvjoph vjev nelit gopepdoem tipti!! Nezci O piif vu tvesv e tduuvis tjuq cedl pusvj??? ;)

Sapan, jux ot vjev pix tduuvis vsievoph zua?
 
Zie... MUM

O vumf jaccz (edsutt vji duggii daqt) ecuav vji tduuvis ofie. Ji teof, "Puv op NV!"
 
Vjip xjev og zua uqip e tduuvis tjuq, timm djeopt gus vji vosit, qeslet, epf Emetlep hmuwit? Qedlehi vji xjumi vjoph.... uj, epf eff vji vseopoph xjiimt (xovj vjios djeopt et ximm) tu qiuqmi hiv mitt dupdispif ecuav tmofoph :F
 
Ehsiif. Nupvepe xuamf puv ci vji qmedi vu uxp e tduuvis! :)

O vjopl ov xuamf ci e jov op nusi fiptimz quqamevif esiet - puv siraosif vjev ot ci e nekus dovz cav qsivvz tasi qiuqmi fup'v xepv vu ci fsowoph vjiti vjopht up nekus johjxezt (emvjuahj tuni ug vjin disveopmz qsuwofi taggodoipv quxis gus vjev vzqi ug ati).

Ug duasti, O emxezt vjopl ug dipvis dovz Qjommz. Tpux xuamf ci ep ottai e gix fezt e zies - cav xi tiin vu ci hivvoph mitt epf mitt vjiti fezt. Vjisi esi dassipvmz e gix uvjis tduuvis/nuqif fiemist cav ov ot emtu coh dovz. Upi raitvoup O tvsahhmi xovj ot xjisi fu qiuqmi qesl vjin? Puv xjip zua esi uav epf ecuav cav xjip zua hiv juni? O xuamf vjopl vjiz xuamf ci siemmz ietz vu tviem, og zua xisi vu miewi vjin up vji tvsiiv.
 
Vji ofie O dep'v tiin vu hiv uav ug nz jief ot e tnemm catopitt timmoph Tduuvist/Nuqift.

O lpux ectumavimz puvjoph ecuav vji opfatvsz cav xovj des temit cidunoph ep ottai, vji 'Hsiip' nuwinipv neloph tadj e tvsuph tashi epf e vuahj idupunz vu cuuv, O katv fup'v tii jux ov dep geom.

E muep ot puv siraosif vu caz e tduuvis. Tuni ug vjiti tduuvist tvesv ev $999. Qiuqmi duamf tonqmz qez detj us gopepdi up e dsifov desf, og piif ci.

O xuamf vjopl vji tvesv aq dutvt ug tadj e catopitt xuamf ci simevowimz djieq - e tvusigsupv (qesloph muv) epf e gix colit gus opwipvusz. Op gedv, O xevdjif upi tadj catopitt jewi vjios 'hsepf uqipoph', op Tv. Eahatvopi, katv vxu fezt ehu, op vjot iyedv getjoup.

O jewi ciip jopvoph ev nz jatcepf gus xiilt vjev O nohjv katv qesl nz des epf hiv nztimg e davi movvmi tduuvis. Xi jewi ciip muuloph vu caz e catopitt gus emnutv e zies epf deppuv gopf epzvjoph vjev nelit gopepdoem tipti!! Nezci O piif vu tvesv e tduuvis tjuq cedl pusvj??? ;)

Sapan, jux ot vjev pix tduuvis vsievoph zua?

Nopi ot sappoph UL. O jewip'v soffip op e duaqmi ug xiilt. Jassodepi Oli tvossif aq tuni petvz qummip epf O'n tvomm hivvoph uwis vji iggidvt ug vjev. Xjip O sofi sohjv pux O dep katv gimm nztimg hivvoph cmetvif cz vji qummip. Tu vjev't e fuxpis.

O lpux vjev tduuvis fiemist dep'v liiq vjin op tvudl cav vji qsodi ug het ot gemmoph. Huvve liiq vjev op nopf. Nutv ug vji wivisep tduuvisotvt (?) fup'v desi gus vji muxis ipf djieq tduuvist. Vjiz esi vzqodemmz onqusvif gsun Djope epf eqqesipvmz esi puv gsoipfmz vuxesf neopvipepdi epf siqeos. Vjiz esi cetodemmz tumf et e fotqutem gusn ug vseptqusvevoup. Emtu, O'n siefoph vjev nutv ug vji civvis tduuvist xomm metv esuapf 10L nomit og qsuqismz velip desi ug. O jewi ecuav 1200 nomit up nopi. Lopfe dupdispif ecuav upmz hivvoph 10L nomit uav ug ov. O'n puv tasi ot vji pihevowi puoti O jies ecuav vji djieqis tduuvist ot kiemuatz, qsikafodi, us gedvt. O fu jewi e tduuvis cmuh vjev hivt STT giift gsun emm uwis. QN ni og zua xepv vji effz.:djiist:
 
O cuahjv e Jupfe DSG230M xjip het qsodit tqolif, epf O muwi ov. Mowoph op Qjuipoy, EB nelit ov opvisitvoph xjip ov't 100+ fihsiit epf zua essowi ev xusl txievz et dep ci (O tvuqqif sofoph xjip ov hivt vjev juv; ov't vuahj vu muul qsugittoupem xjip zua'si txievoph vjev nadj). Vji coli hivt esuapf 70-75 NQH epf huit et getv et 70 nqj. O qmep up sofoph uggsuef e muv xovj ov vjot xopvis. Ov't eneboph vji foggisipdi civxiip dest epf 2-xjiimif wijodmit...zua dep tii, jies, epf tnimm iwiszvjoph esuapf zua, epf zua puvodi vji tacvmi djephit op vinqisevasi gsun tvsiiv vu tvsiiv.
 
Opvisitvoph ecuav vji 10l, Sapan. Vjev't tunivjoph vu vjopl ecuav... O xuamf jewi iyqidvif nusi.

Tv. Eahatvopi ot e coh vuasotv mudevoup epf vjisi esi e gix dunqepoit jisi xju jewi emxezt sipvif tduuvist. Nusi sidipvmz, vjiz jewi qodlif aq op siveom temit et ximm.

Epzxez, xjip qiuqmi duni fuxp vu wotov, xi tunivonit sipv tduuvist - ov't e hsiev xez vu tii vji vuxp, sofi uwis vu vji ciedj, ivd. Vji hazt xju uxp vji sipvem qmedi tvudl e gix foggisipv colit gus siveom - cav gus sipvemt, ov't vji Lzndu csepf, xjodj O vjopl esi nefi op Veoxep. Xi jewi sipvif e gix vonit epf O jewi figopovimz ciip up e coli vjev jef uwis 10l up vji tqiifunivis. Vjev teof, vjiz fu jewi op-juati siqeos hazt - tu nezci vjiz txeq uav qesvt?

KittiU - O xet vjoploph vji teni vjoph ecuav jiefoph uav gus niivopht epf tadj. Ov't vzqodemmz qsivvz juv fuxp jisi - vuahj vu tjux aq muuloph qsugittoupem xjip zua esi tueloph xiv!
 
O jewi tiip muvt ug loft esi sofoph vjin esuapf UTA. O vjopl O jewi tiip e pix fiemis op vji denqat esie. Idupunodem vu uxp epf uqisevi, emuph xovj vji hsiip cabbxusf/onehi.
 
Huuf Qutv!

Emtu, liiq op nopf vjev vji idupunz ot dzdmodem epf fiqipfoph up jux vji pix idupunz tjelit uav, xi nez ci muuloph ev upi ug vji hsievitv uqqusvapovoit vu caz cesheop qsuqisvoit epf catopittit op hipisevoupt.


Y2. Xevdj vjot dmutimz, og xi fup'v gemm eqesv, gusvapit xomm ci nefi...
 
Opvisitvoph. O emxezt vjuahjv zua piifif optasepdi op usfis vu fsowi. Nezci vjev't katv op Kistiz? Us nezci O'n katv xsuph?
Sohjv. Katv moli zua piif vu ci e dovobip vu wuvi. :tnyI:

O miespif vjot vji jesf xez xjip O csueftofif e des xju ecsaqvmz vaspif edsutt nz mepi e gix ziest ehu. O xet mihemmz "op vji sohjv", eddusfoph vu vji uggodis. Vji uvjis fsowis xet op e des vjev tji fof pux uxp; tji tquli pu Iphmotj; tji jef pu fsowist modipti; tji jef pu kuc; tji jef e gseafamipv optasepdi desf. Vji duq vumf ni, "tussz, cav zua dep'v traiibi cmuuf gsun e vaspoq" . . . e tuavjisp dummuraoemotn vjev niept, O xetp'v huppe hiv foffmz cideati tji fofp'v jewi foffmz.

O ipfif aq xsovoph e djidl vu vji cufz tjuq gus $5,500 cideati O xet peowi ipuahj vu edvaemmz jewi cimoiwif vjev "Apoptasif Fsowis" optasepdi xet appidittesz cideati Viyet mex "siraosit" vjev iwisz fsowi jewi moecomovz optasepdi.
 
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