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Hi there, i've been long thinking about a business model that fulfills CENTS, has relevancy with myself and speaks to a market that I know.

I started out as an engineer, later on I was in marketing for industrial products and machinery and eventually became a head of sales and marketing managing about 25 full time employees and 15-20M revenue, pretty much grown from 0, from start-up to scale-up. I sold product from 3-10k a pop to 100-500k per installation.

During this 10 year journey I learned quite a lot, mainly:
  • There are a lot of frustrated engineers that understand the technical/industrial space due to their studies but do not enjoy being part of R&D
  • There are a lot of frustrated engineers that see how promoting within R&D is much more difficult than within sales and marketing
  • There are a lot of industrial companies that struggle to market or sell their product because their commercial departments do not understand their industrial customers
  • These industrial companies struggle to find marketeers and salesman with technical backgrounds
I've been on both sides of the story, a frustrated engineer moving towards the commercial space AND the hiring manager having to settle for business administration / sales / marketing background hires instead of someone with a technical background that can sell.

From the 100+ people I've hired or interviewed for industrial sales or industrial marketing roles I'd always hire the engineer with a bit of sales experience than the full blown salesman or marketeer. It's much easier to teach an engineer how to sell to engineers than to a marketeer or salesman to lose their B2C sales speech that put off the industrial customers.

So basically I am envisioning an industrial sales academy/agency where we have two main propositions, although it may be smarter to start only with one:
  1. Training for engineers: industrial sales course to help them land an industrial sales or marketing role, get a higher salary and get out of the lab. These apply to seasoned engineers or juniors, wether they want to promote internally within their company or jump to a new one.
  2. Training companies: provide training to their engineers to become salesman as part of a career development plan. The training could also be for their current sales/marketing workforce that does not have an engineering backgrown.
The training for engineers would be mostly an online course, maybe include a community offering and 121 consulting for a couple of hours in every sale of the course.

The training for companies could be online or tailor-made on-site. The on-site would include some strategic consulting to tailor-make the product to them. This is a bit of what I am doing nowadays as an independent consultant when I can't take more work, I'll accept to do part of the job whilst training someone from their team.

I believe that the B2C side of the proposition, training for engineers, is much more scalalbe. There's no shortage of potential customers, they are customers that typically have money to spare and a lot of them were pushed into engineering by their parents.

I envision the course to be at least 1,000€ and the main channel for marketing paids ads on instagram, youtube and linkedin.

For the pilot I'd basically build the front-end of the whole thing without building the product, run a 500-1,000€ paid ad campaign and look on LinkedIn for profiles of engineers to cold message. If any of those convert that's the validation of the business so I can start building the course.

What do you think?
 
Interesting, wonder if @ZCP has any thoughts?
 
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@MrG we should talk. DM me.
 
I sold product from 3-10k a pop to 100-500k per installation.
I envision the course to be at least 1,000€

"I love working for my boss. I sell things for him for half a million dollars and he pays me a little teenie salary"

"I'll go out and start my own business now! I know! I'll sell things for 1/500th the price!"
 
Hi there, i've been long thinking about a business model that fulfills CENTS, has relevancy with myself and speaks to a market that I know.

I started out as an engineer, later on I was in marketing for industrial products and machinery and eventually became a head of sales and marketing managing about 25 full time employees and 15-20M revenue, pretty much grown from 0, from start-up to scale-up. I sold product from 3-10k a pop to 100-500k per installation.

During this 10 year journey I learned quite a lot, mainly:
  • There are a lot of frustrated engineers that understand the technical/industrial space due to their studies but do not enjoy being part of R&D
  • There are a lot of frustrated engineers that see how promoting within R&D is much more difficult than within sales and marketing
  • There are a lot of industrial companies that struggle to market or sell their product because their commercial departments do not understand their industrial customers
  • These industrial companies struggle to find marketeers and salesman with technical backgrounds
I've been on both sides of the story, a frustrated engineer moving towards the commercial space AND the hiring manager having to settle for business administration / sales / marketing background hires instead of someone with a technical background that can sell.

From the 100+ people I've hired or interviewed for industrial sales or industrial marketing roles I'd always hire the engineer with a bit of sales experience than the full blown salesman or marketeer. It's much easier to teach an engineer how to sell to engineers than to a marketeer or salesman to lose their B2C sales speech that put off the industrial customers.

So basically I am envisioning an industrial sales academy/agency where we have two main propositions, although it may be smarter to start only with one:
  1. Training for engineers: industrial sales course to help them land an industrial sales or marketing role, get a higher salary and get out of the lab. These apply to seasoned engineers or juniors, wether they want to promote internally within their company or jump to a new one.
  2. Training companies: provide training to their engineers to become salesman as part of a career development plan. The training could also be for their current sales/marketing workforce that does not have an engineering backgrown.
The training for engineers would be mostly an online course, maybe include a community offering and 121 consulting for a couple of hours in every sale of the course.

The training for companies could be online or tailor-made on-site. The on-site would include some strategic consulting to tailor-make the product to them. This is a bit of what I am doing nowadays as an independent consultant when I can't take more work, I'll accept to do part of the job whilst training someone from their team.

I believe that the B2C side of the proposition, training for engineers, is much more scalalbe. There's no shortage of potential customers, they are customers that typically have money to spare and a lot of them were pushed into engineering by their parents.

I envision the course to be at least 1,000€ and the main channel for marketing paids ads on instagram, youtube and linkedin.

For the pilot I'd basically build the front-end of the whole thing without building the product, run a 500-1,000€ paid ad campaign and look on LinkedIn for profiles of engineers to cold message. If any of those convert that's the validation of the business so I can start building the course.

What do you think?
I have never sold engineering equipment.

But I have sold financial products to customer who worked as engineers for a living.

They pay huge attentions to details and when they assess an offer they are thinking “how this bridge works and why it won’t collapse”.

They never assume things work just because other people say so. They need to understand what could go wrong.

This is very different from the general public or people with a background in business and finance who are more focused on “how much do I pay and what do I get in return”.

Back to your question career related coaching is a big field. Many countries have government related grants that people who attend your course get at least a partial subsidy.

I actually favor the “to B idea” option 2 more than the “to C idea”.

Big companies always have a training budget that they have to spend. Much easier to sell to customers when people are not spending their own money.

To C market tends to be more competitive and the only selling point was that government is subsidizing always 100 percent. We have a national programs here in Singapore that every citizen can spend a few hundred dollar per year to go for “skills upgrade”. So it is “To G” in disguise.

In the to C market I think professionals are more willing to pay if you help them to pass a gold standard certifications in the industry where they can with certainty demand a 20 percent pay rise later. But we know only a few certifications have such wide recognition.

My Mom’s ex-boss, before she retired as an engineer, wrote an email to everyone that he wants to hire coaches to conduct training on AI.

I always see skill upgrade either as a to B business or to G business.

That to G model has huge risk subject to government policy. If next year they decide that what you teach is irrelevant and taking out the 100 percent subsidy your revenue falls to zero.
 
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I'm actually your target market! Scientist/engineer position doing a lot of technical work but would like to transition to more of a seller role. Been doing it 12 years. Would be glad to share my experience and bounce ideas around in terms of how this might work for the employer. I can see some engineers paying out of pocket for it too, but there are of course many other general purpose sales courses out there.
 
I'm actually your target market! Scientist/engineer position doing a lot of technical work but would like to transition to more of a seller role. Been doing it 12 years. Would be glad to share my experience and bounce ideas around in terms of how this might work for the employer. I can see some engineers paying out of pocket for it too, but there are of course many other general purpose sales courses out there.
great, thanks for sharing! indeed i see both agles working out.

i felt the general sales courses are good and all, but then it's difficult to go and get a job. The course may be on selling but not necessarily how to sell to industry and how to transition from engineering to sales (mindset)... neither how to approach recruiters and actually land the job!

happy to connect, just dm me your details.
 

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