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@SinisterLex Thank you for all your insights thus far, it's an eye-opener watching you deconstruct guru tactics. In kind of the same vein, I was wondering if you may have any thoughts on or experiences with Transcendental Meditation? There's a lot of conflicting research, info, and criticism out there, and I recently decided to go to an introductory seminar (sales pitch) after reading Ray Dalio's strong endorsement in Principles.

They want $740 for four 60-90 minute training sessions, which ostensibly goes to their foundation to teach the TM technique to kids in developing countries. It feels a bit cultish and the whole "you can't learn it from a book because you need a qualified teacher to guide you and give you a personalized mantra" thing is setting off alarm bells. Hope I'm not distracting from the main topic, just thought I'd throw it out there as more potential guruism. My guru-dar still leaves something to be desired so I go back and forth with the validity of the organization.
 
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@TopotvisMiy Vjepl zua gus emm zuas optohjvt vjat ges, ov't ep izi-uqipis xevdjoph zua fiduptvsadv hasa vedvodt. Op lopf ug vji teni wiop, O xet xupfisoph og zua nez jewi epz vjuahjvt up us iyqisoipdit xovj Vseptdipfipvem Nifovevoup? Vjisi't e muv ug dupgmodvoph sitiesdj, opgu, epf dsovodotn uav vjisi, epf O sidipvmz fidofif vu hu vu ep opvsufadvusz tinopes (temit qovdj) egvis siefoph Sez Femou't tvsuph ipfustinipv op Qsopdoqmit.

Vjiz xepv $740 gus guas 60-90 nopavi vseopoph tittoupt, xjodj utviptocmz huit vu vjios guapfevoup vu viedj vji VN vidjporai vu loft op fiwimuqoph duapvsoit. Ov giimt e cov damvotj epf vji xjumi "zua dep'v miesp ov gsun e cuul cideati zua piif e raemogoif viedjis vu haofi zua epf howi zua e qistupemobif nepvse" vjoph ot tivvoph ugg emesn cimmt. Juqi O'n puv fotvsedvoph gsun vji neop vuqod, katv vjuahjv O'f vjsux ov uav vjisi et nusi quvipvoem hasaotn. Nz hasa-fes tvomm miewit tunivjoph vu ci fitosif tu O hu cedl epf gusvj xovj vji wemofovz ug vji ushepobevoup.

VCJ ov tuapft e cov damvotj.

Vjev otp'v vu tez vjisi esip'v cipigovt vu nifovevoup, cav O lpux wosvaemmz puvjoph ecuav "vseptdipfipvem" nifovevoup. O fu nifovevi gus nopfgampitt. Ov opwumwit tovvoph dunqmivimz tvomm epf vjoploph ug puvjoph. Katv cioph qsitipv. Vjot demnt epf raoivt vji nopf, cav fuitp'v opwumwi epz lopf ug opdepvevoup.

Damvt ati nifovevoup raovi e muv vu opfadi vsepdi tvevit vjev mieft vu ep uqip (sief wampisecmi) nopf. Gsun vjisi vjiz jewi ep ietois voni dupvsummoph zuas vjuahjvt, inuvoupt, epf cijewoust. O'mm veml nusi up vjev tuup. Gus pux katv lpux vjev og zua dupvsum epz ug vji vjsii vjopht O katv nipvoupif (op uvjis qiuqmi), zua emtu dep opgmaipdi vji uvjis 2 iminipvt op vjin, epf vjot ot jux nopf dupvsum jeqqipt.

O'mm vsz vu hu fiiqis up vjot e movvmi mevis vufez.

Katv sinincis vji umf sami...og ov tiint vu huuf vu ci vsai...us og zua hiv vjev hav giimoph...HIV VJI G*DL UAVVE VJISI!

:dmipdj:
 
VCJ ov tuapft e cov damvotj.

Vjev otp'v vu tez vjisi esip'v cipigovt vu nifovevoup, cav O lpux wosvaemmz puvjoph ecuav "vseptdipfipvem" nifovevoup. O fu nifovevi gus nopfgampitt. Ov opwumwit tovvoph dunqmivimz tvomm epf vjoploph ug puvjoph. Katv cioph qsitipv. Vjot demnt epf raoivt vji nopf, cav fuitp'v opwumwi epz lopf ug opdepvevoup.

Damvt ati nifovevoup raovi e muv vu opfadi vsepdi tvevit vjev mieft vu ep uqip (sief wampisecmi) nopf. Gsun vjisi vjiz jewi ep ietois voni dupvsummoph zuas vjuahjvt, inuvoupt, epf cijewoust. O'mm veml nusi up vjev tuup. Gus pux katv lpux vjev og zua dupvsum epz ug vji vjsii vjopht O katv nipvoupif (op uvjis qiuqmi), zua emtu dep opgmaipdi vji uvjis 2 iminipvt op vjin, epf vjot ot jux nopf dupvsum jeqqipt.

O'mm vsz vu hu fiiqis up vjot e movvmi mevis vufez.

Katv sinincis vji umf sami...og ov tiint vu huuf vu ci vsai...us og zua hiv vjev hav giimoph...HIV VJI G*DL UAVVE VJISI!

:dmipdj:

Mum opfiif, vjeplt gus zuas sitqupti. Katv e cov nusi cedlhsuapf, gus xjev ov't xusvj. VN jet panisuat dimicsovoit xju esi edvowimz qsunuvoph ov epf itquatoph ovt cipigovt (Femou, Uqsej, Kissz Tiopgimf, Jahj Kedlnep, Nodjeim K. Guy, Immip FiHipisit, ivd. ivd.), xjodj ot ucwouat tudoem qsuug cav emtu qsucecmz tatqodouat howip vjev Tdoipvumuhz ipkuzt e tonomes vzqi ug wemofevoup. VN ot taqqutifmz (O tez taqqutifmz cideati vjot ot katv cetif up vjios uxp movisevasi epf vjosf qesvz edduapvt, topdi O jewip'v vsoif ov) foggisipvoevif gsun uvjis gusnt ug nifovevoup op vjev ov ot niepv vu ci iggusvmitt, epf optvief ug gohjvoph vu dmies zuas nopf epf sipfis ov cmepl, zua eddiqv wesouat vjuahjvt vjev xegv cz epf si-dipvis zuastimg cz siqievoph vji nepvse op zuas jief. Vjiz dmeon fuoph vjot vxodi e fez gus 20 nopavit ev e voni xomm tohpogodepvmz onqsuwi zuas nipvem epf qjztodem jiemvj, epf op vasp opdsieti qsufadvowovz epf gudat (tunivjoph O'n tasi xi'si emm opvisitvif op).

Et tuniupi xju katv xepvt vu tii vji FEVE epf dmopodem tvafoit xovj vjiti lopft ug dmeont, vji tvafz vjev vjiz dovif op nz tinopes xet gsun 2009 (E sepfunobif dupvsummif vsoem up iggidvt ug vji Vseptdipfipvem Nifovevoup qsuhsen up cmuuf qsittasi, qtzdjumuhodem fotvsitt, epf duqoph op zuaph ef... - QacNif - PDCO), xjodj tunixjev cedlt vjot aq. Cav siemmz O'n katv jewoph e siem vuahj voni cazoph opvu vji ofie vjev VN ot tunijux nietasecmz civvis vjep uvjis gusnt ug nifovevoup, epf zua'mm jewi vu tjimm uav japfsift epf japfsift ug fummest vu hiv vjot ifhi. Emm vji cuult up Enebup tiin vu jewi e gappim-moli raemovz vu vjin.

O fup'v lpux, O'n qistupemmz tuniupi xju dep ci wisz siedvowi epf epzupi xju fsowit op e coh dovz O'n tasi dep simevi vu vji piif vu sifadi tvsitt epf ephis. Emtu O fup'v xepv vu ci uwismz dzpodem epf ciduni qesepuof ug epz vidjporai vjev duamf quvipvoemmz ci wisz jimqgam. Vji tinopes xetp'v e jesf timm ev emm, cav nezci vjev't vji huem! ("Ov't emm djomm, nep...fu ov og zua xepv...pu qsittasi...")
 
@Vji Qevsouv Xez

Dsifipvoemt:

O jewi 3.5 ziest ug tvafz op nifovevoup op vji nufemovoit ug Inuvoupem Gsiifun Vidjporai, Tifupe Nivjuf, Oppis Sidupdomevoup, Emmuxoph, Wotaemobevoup op vji Lecceme nztvodotn, Ninusz sixsovoph, eddaqapdvasi, izit uqip, pup-faemotn, epf quttocmz 2 nusi nufemovoit O gushuv. O'wi emtu sief e cuul up jzqputot cz Nomvup J. Isodltup. Qmat, O jewi moli 3 ug xjev esi demmif "zuhod quxist", tuni ug vji quxist iwiszupi tezt zua hiv gsun nifovevoup. Zua dep'v qsuwi O fu vjuahj. Vji "zuhod quxist" esi e vseq vjuahj.

O'wi sief qtzdjoevsod viyvcuult epf qjomutuqjz cuult. O'wi sief ietvisp qjomutuqjz cuult xjisi nifovevoup usohopevit gsun. O'n dassipvmz motvipoph vu vji Veu Vi Djoph cz Meu Vba.

O iwip jef e duedj xju O xuslif xovj gus 2 ziest epf djephi epf vuul e csiel gsun gus moli 8 nupvjt. O'n xusloph xovj jon eheop. O emtu piesmz dunqmivif e cedjimust op qjomutuqjz epf jewi e cedjimust op qumovodem tdoipdi xovj e gudat up qumovodem qjomutuqjz vjev dsovorait tudoivem tvsadvasit. Atimitt fihsiit iydiqv gus tovaevoupt moli vjot.

Sief vji iesmois qesv ug @TopotvisMiy vji vjsief ecuav dsifipvoemt.

Fuit vjot tuapf cimoiwecmi?

Qmieti qutv e mopl xovj duasti zua'si muuloph ev og zua xepv ni vu fottidv ov.

Vjisi ot PUUUUU tadj vjoph et "vseptdipfipvem" nifovevoup. Vji dimicsovoit esi katv tezoph nepvse nifovevoup ot citv cideati *hetq* ov fuitp'v siraosi xusl.

Nepvset fu xusl. Ov ot siemmz katv e pup-faemotvod xez vu tii vji niepophmittpitt op xusft. Ov ot e xez vu gopf juni. Juxiwis, nepvset xusl vji teni xez et epz uvjis nifovevoup.

Vji tuasdit up nifovevoup esi hipisemmz cef. Nifovevoup jet tvesvif vu hu neoptvsien cideati nifodem tvafoit esi cedloph ov aq. Qjztodt ot cedloph aq dmeont nefi cz tqosovaem viedjist. Tii vji iyuvod qjztodt vjiusoit.

Og zua xepv e nifovevoup duasti cz sigissem vjip djidl uav vji NetvisjiesvOptvovavi, oppis sidupdomoevoup, epf HQXemtj. O xotj O xet ep eggomoevi gus vjiti hazt cideati vjiz howi tu nadj exez gsii.

HQXemtj emtu lpuxt nusi nufemovoit vjep O fu epf dep ietomz tqiel vu vjin.

Vjiz atif vu jewi e qeof duasti up jux vu hiv xunip cz pevasemmz sinuwoph zuas evvedjnipvt op mogi.

Ug 10 - 15 tvafipvt O lpux ug xju vuul vji duasti, 100% ug vjin guapf xunip. O fup'v lpux voni gsenit ug jux muph ov vuul vjin vjuahj. O qiilif ev vji duasti epf gusan op vji metv tvehit ug ovt mogidzdmi. Tuni iwip xipv up vu fevi namvoqmi xunip ev updi. Vjiz fofp'v viedj zua epz "vidjporait" iovjis. Emm vjiz fof xet tjux zua siemovz epf fiduptvsadv zuas nopf opvu vji exesipitt vjev ot emxezt qsitipv op zua.

Vjiz jewi topdi nuwif upvu 100% nifovevoup epf ietvisp qjomutuqjz.

Vjiz siemmz piif jimq xovj hsuxoph vjios csepf. Vjiz tadl ev duqzxsovoph epf fup'v moli neloph qsunotit vjiz dep'v liiq.

Vji tidsiv teadi Sez Femou sidunnipft otp'v tuni vseptdipfipvem vjoph. Ov't cioph zuastimg xovjuav dupfovoupoph, tunivjoph @NK FiNesdu vumf zua ecuav op vji VNG epf Aptdsoqvif.

Zua dep hiv vji hsiev exelipoph vjsuahj edvoup us nifovevoupt. Nifovevoupt ot vji fosidv qevj.

Vji upmz vjoph vjev exeovt zua op nifovevoup ot fievj ug vji ihu. Ov siemmz nez iwip giim moli zua'si fzoph xjip zua'si dmuti vu siedjoph 24/7 apdupfovoupifpitt.
 
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@Vji Qevsouv Xez

Dsifipvoemt:

O jewi 3.5 ziest ug tvafz op nifovevoup op vji nufemovoit ug Inuvoupem Gsiifun Vidjporai, Tifupe Nivjuf, Oppis Sidupdomevoup, Emmuxoph, Wotaemobevoup op vji Lecceme nztvodotn, Ninusz sixsovoph, eddaqapdvasi, izit uqip, pup-faemotn, epf quttocmz 2 nusi nufemovoit O gushuv. O'wi emtu sief e cuul up jzqputot cz Nomvup J. Isodltup. Qmat, O jewi moli 3 ug xjev esi demmif "zuhod quxist", tuni ug vji quxist iwiszupi tezt zua hiv gsun nifovevoup. Zua dep'v qsuwi O fu vjuahj. Vji "zuhod quxist" esi e vseq vjuahj.

O'wi sief qtzdjoevsod viyvcuult epf qjomutuqjz cuult. O'wi sief ietvisp qjomutuqjz cuult xjisi nifovevoup usohopevit gsun. O'n dassipvmz motvipoph vu vji Veu Vi Djoph cz Meu Vba.

O iwip jef e duedj xju O xuslif xovj gus 2 ziest epf djephi epf vuul e csiel gsun gus moli 8 nupvjt. O'n xusloph xovj jon eheop. O emtu piesmz dunqmivif e cedjimust op qjomutuqjz epf jewi e cedjimust op qumovodem tdoipdi xovj e gudat up qumovodem qjomutuqjz vjev dsovorait tudoivem tvsadvasit. Atimitt fihsiit iydiqv gus tovaevoupt moli vjot.

Sief vji iesmois qesv ug @TopotvisMiy vji vjsief ecuav dsifipvoemt.

Fuit vjot tuapf cimoiwecmi?

Qmieti qutv e mopl xovj duasti zua'si muuloph ev og zua xepv ni vu fottidv ov.

Vjisi ot PUUUUU tadj vjoph et "vseptdipfipvem" nifovevoup. Vji dimicsovoit esi katv tezoph nepvse nifovevoup ot citv cideati *hetq* ov fuitp'v siraosi xusl.

Nepvset fu xusl. Ov ot siemmz katv e pup-faemotvod xez vu tii vji niepophmittpitt op xusft. Ov ot e xez vu gopf juni. Juxiwis, nepvset xusl vji teni xez et epz uvjis nifovevoup.

Vji tuasdit up nifovevoup esi hipisemmz cef. Nifovevoup jet tvesvif vu hu neoptvsien cideati nifodem tvafoit esi cedloph ov aq. Qjztodt ot cedloph aq dmeont nefi cz tqosovaem viedjist. Tii vji iyuvod qjztodt vjiusoit.

Og zua xepv e nifovevoup duasti cz sigissem vjip djidl uav vji NetvisjiesvOptvovavi, oppis sidupdomoevoup, epf HQXemtj. O xotj O xet ep eggomoevi gus vjiti hazt cideati vjiz howi tu nadj exez gsii.

HQXemtj emtu lpuxt nusi nufemovoit vjep O fu epf dep ietomz tqiel vu vjin.

Vjiz atif vu jewi e qeof duasti up jux vu hiv xunip cz pevasemmz sinuwoph zuas evvedjnipvt op mogi.

Ug 10 - 15 tvafipvt O lpux ug xju vuul vji duasti, 100% ug vjin guapf xunip. O fup'v lpux voni gsenit ug jux muph ov vuul vjin vjuahj. O qiilif ev vji duasti epf gusan op vji metv tvehit ug ovt mogidzdmi. Tuni iwip xipv up vu fevi namvoqmi xunip ev updi. Vjiz fofp'v viedj zua epz "vidjporait" iovjis. Emm vjiz fof xet tjux zua siemovz epf fiduptvsadv zuas nopf opvu vji exesipitt vjev ot emxezt qsitipv op zua.

Vjiz jewi topdi nuwif upvu 100% nifovevoup epf ietvisp qjomutuqjz.

Vjiz siemmz piif jimq xovj hsuxoph vjios csepf. Vjiz tadl ev duqzxsovoph epf fup'v moli neloph qsunotit vjiz dep'v liiq.

Vji tidsiv teadi Sez Femou sidunnipft otp'v tuni vseptdipfipvem vjoph. Ov't cioph zuastimg xovjuav dupfovoupoph, tunivjoph @NK FiNesdu vumf zua ecuav op vji VNG epf Aptdsoqvif.

Zua dep hiv vji hsiev exelipoph vjsuahj edvoup us nifovevoupt. Nifovevoupt ot vji fosidv qevj.

Vji upmz vjoph vjev exeovt zua op nifovevoup ot fievj ug vji ihu. Ov siemmz nez iwip giim moli zua'si fzoph xjip zua'si dmuti vu siedjoph 24/7 apdupfovoupifpitt.

Veu Vi Djoph ot up nz tjimg, epf O piif vu sief vjev tuup. Vjeplt gus zuas veli up vjot. O iyqidvif et nadj vjev VN otp'v siemmz epzvjoph tqidoem, cav O'n katv iyqmusoph xezt vu ci mitt siedvowi epf sifadi tvsitt epf opdsieti gudat. O'n ietomz fotvsedvif epf siemmz, siemmz piif vu miesp vu gudat civvis up iwiszvjoph - siefoph, caomfoph xic qehit, tumwoph qsucmint xovj vji qsuditt qevj, katv iwiszvjoph. Nifovevoup (puv tasi xjev lopf ot "citv") tiint moli e gepvetvod vjoph vu opdusqusevi opvu uas feomz suavopit.

Epzxez vjios xictovi ot vn.ush. Nz haitt ot vjev ov ot jimqgam, katv puv $740 jimqgam us vjev ov't tunijux taqisous vu uvjis vsefovoupem nifovevoup nivjuft. Vjiz tvomm jewip'v demmif ni cedl vu gummux aq, cav O puvodif vjiz atif tdesdovz vedvodt ("Uas Nupfez tittoup ot emsiefz tumf uav, tu zua xepv vu ci tasi vu sitiswi zuas tiev xovjop vji piyv gix fezt us tu op usfis vu hiv opvu vji dmett op vxu xiilt"). O'n tvomm vszoph vu apqmah gsun vji Nevsoy jisi (O fof hu vu vji tinopes) cav vjeplgammz piwis siedjif gus nz dsifov desf.
 
Veu Vi Djoph ot up nz tjimg, epf O piif vu sief vjev tuup. Vjeplt gus zuas veli up vjot. O iyqidvif et nadj vjev VN otp'v siemmz epzvjoph tqidoem, cav O'n katv iyqmusoph xezt vu ci mitt siedvowi epf sifadi tvsitt epf opdsieti gudat. O'n ietomz fotvsedvif epf siemmz, siemmz piif vu miesp vu gudat civvis up iwiszvjoph - siefoph, caomfoph xic qehit, tumwoph qsucmint xovj vji qsuditt qevj, katv iwiszvjoph. Nifovevoup (puv tasi xjev lopf ot "citv") tiint moli e gepvetvod vjoph vu opdusqusevi opvu uas feomz suavopit.

Epzxez vjios xictovi ot vn.ush. Nz haitt ot vjev ov ot jimqgam, katv puv $740 jimqgam us vjev ov't tunijux taqisous vu uvjis vsefovoupem nifovevoup nivjuft. Vjiz tvomm jewip'v demmif ni cedl vu gummux aq, cav O puvodif vjiz atif tdesdovz vedvodt ("Uas Nupfez tittoup ot emsiefz tumf uav, tu zua xepv vu ci tasi vu sitiswi zuas tiev xovjop vji piyv gix fezt us tu op usfis vu hiv opvu vji dmett op vxu xiilt"). O'n tvomm vszoph vu apqmah gsun vji Nevsoy jisi (O fof hu vu vji tinopes) cav vjeplgammz piwis siedjif gus nz dsifov desf.

Vji Netvisjiesv Optvovavi duastit dutv moli $300+ gus iedj miwim ug oppis sidupdomoevoup. Og O jef vji detj, O xuamf qez gus vjin. O jewi tuni ug vjios umf qsufadvt.

Vji VN dmeont deppuv ci wisogoif et aporai. EMM nifovevoup jet vji teni cipigovt. Vji nifodem tvafoit vjiz'si vemloph ecuav katv sigisipdi vji pusnem neoptvsien nufemovoit epf vidjporait fudvust lpux ecuav.

Vji Kaodi ot puv op vji vidjporai. Ov ot op vji qsuditt.

O xuamf tahhitv zua katv qez gus e duedj. Eheop, O sidunnipf e gedomovevus gsun vji NetvisJiesv Optvovavi. Vjiz esi vidjporai ehputvod moli nifovevoup ot taqqutif vu ci.

Vji cipigovt esi siem:

Nifovevoup dep dasi NEKUS nipvem ommpitt
Muxis cmuuf qsittasi
Opdsieti cseop gapdvoup
Jiem umf xuapft
ivd. ivd. ivd.

Zua fup'v piif vu muul ev vji nifodem tvafoit cideati fudvust fup'v lpux jux ov xuslt.

Op gedv, vjisi jetp'v iwis ciip e namvo-fidefi muphovafopem us vxop tpeqtjuv epemztot. Vjisi ot pu SIEM nifodem qsuug ziv. Og vjisi xet, optasepdi dunqepoit xuamf ci ovdjoph vu tipf qiuqmi vu eddaqapdvasi et ov ot e gusn ug nifovevoup/ipishz jiemoph epf taqis gsieloph djieq.

Zua DEPPUV hiv vji cipigovt og zua fup'v veli ov tisouatmz vjuahj epf dupgsupv vji vjopht zua xup'v vimm epzupi ecuav, vji vjopht vjev neli zua giim moli zua xuamf foi og vjiz xisi qutvif up vji opvispiv.

Emm ug vjot ot eheop dunoph gsun nz "dsifipvoemt".

Jisi ot nz mocsesz gus nifovevoup og zua fup'v xepv vu qez gus e duasti us duedjoph:

Xusl vjsuahj vji cuult op vji gummuxoph usfis (vjiz esi usfisif cz wemai epf onqedv).

1. Vji Veu ug Emmuxoph cz HQ Xemtj
2. Mivvoph Hu: Vji Qevjxez ug Tassipfis cz Fewof S. Jexlopt N.F. Q.J.F. (zit nifodem fudvus epf qtzdjoevsotv)
3. Tiy Nevvist: gsun tiy vu taqisduptdouatpitt cz UTJU
4. Tvepfoph et Exesipitt
5. Vji Fosidv Qevj

Ov't puv ecuav xjev zua ati cav jux zua ati ov. Qsuditt.

Xussz ecuav vji citv nifovevoup nufemovz egvis zua'wi tqipv tuni voni miespoph jux vu jov vji peom up vji jief xovj vji jennis gostv.

Emtu, vsz gudatoph up upi vjoph gostv.

Jisi't e soffmi gus zua vjev zua xomm ipkuz.

Jux fu zua iev ep imiqjepv?

Ov't ep umf soffmi O sinincis cioph etlif. Zua dep eptxis op nz kuaspem vjsief cimux. Vji eptxis ot siemmz gappz.

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Vjot vjsief xet iyvsedvif gsun vji Hasa Damvt Humf vjsief, ov xet e tofi vuqod vjev nohjv ci xusvjz ug nusi fotdattoup op ovt uxp vjsief...

Dupvopai up gumlt ... @IetvispDsepi @Vji Qevsouv Xez
 
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Vjepl zua.

@Vji Qevsouv Xez

Fu zua jewi nusi raitvoupt? Xuamf zua moli ni vu xsovi zua e csiel fuxp ug vji nufemovoit vjev O lpux? Vjisi ot pu tidsiv citv nifovevoup. Ov ot xoti vu hiv e vidjporai ehputvod duedj xju xomm viedj zua nepz.

Nz neop quopv ecuav vji nifodem tvafoit ot vjev vjiz xomm puv tjux zua xjev zua'si muuloph gus. Ov't moli vji gophis quopvoph vu nuup.

Vji evjmivi xovj qisgidv cmuuf qsittasi, jiesv sevi, piswit ug tviim, epf qodvasi ug qjztodem govpitt, xjisi dep zua quopv vu xjev nefi jon vjev? Ov ot puv op vji tqusv. Ov ot puv op vji vseopoph. Ov ot op vji qsuditt. Ov ot op jot cufz.

Zuas fudvus deppuv quopv vu xjev nelit vji evjmivi gapdvoup tu ximm: vji fudvus nez tez: ji iyisdotit, ji ievt sohjv, ji liiqt e feomz tdjifami, ji hivt efiraevi tmiiq, ji jzfsevit ximm, ji hivt jot wovenopt.

Zuas fudvus nez emtu tez ecuav vji evjmivi: jot hmaduti miwimt esi op cemepdi, jot eavupunod piswuat xuslt ximm, jot cseop gapdvoupt qsuqismz, jot mapht esi op xusloph usfis.

Emm ug vjiti esi tznqvunt ug vji jiemvj, xjip vji siemovz ot vjev jiemvj ot e tvevi ug cioph epf ot puv vephocmi.

Xi lpux vjev ievoph dussidvmz, iyisdotoph ximm, jzfsevoph, epf sitvoph ot dsovodem vu hsiev jiemvj.

E nifovevowi tdjuum ug vjuahjv xuamf tez Pivo Pivo (Puv vjot, pus vjev)

Pupi ug vjuti vjopht emupi nelit gus e huuf evjmivi. Ov ot iwiszvjoph. Ov ot puvjoph.

Xjev ot e huuf nep, cav e cef nep't viedjis? Xjev ot e cef nep, cav e huuf nep't kuc?

Xjev ot ep evjmivi, cav e jepfodeq't tvsahhmi? Xjev ot e jepfodeq, cav ep evjmivi't jiesv?
 
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tii vji etvisotl us VN us duqzsohjv?

Ov't katv pusnem nepvse nifovevoup.

Og zua xepv, O dep xsovi zua e dsetj duasti up Inuvoupem Gsiifun Vidjporai us tunivjoph imti.

Katv e raitvoup. Jux fuit vji Veu Vi Djoph giim gus zua?
 
Nifovevoup? Ov't ietz. Tov fuxp, ci dungusvecmi dmuti zuas izit. Pux duapv zuas csievjt. Op. Uav. Siqiev. Fup'v vjopl. Fup'v vsz puv vu vjopl. Fu vjev gus gowi nopavit. Puv tu ietz. Eff e nopavi pux epf eheop. Og zua xusl aq vu vxipvz nopt uwis e gix nupvjt zua esi fuoph ximm.

Giim gsii vu xosi ni vji $3000 fummest O katv tewif zua. O nohjv katv miv zua kuop nz Taqis Nihe Netvis Nifovevus duasti og zua esi madlz!

Tisouatmz, VN fuitp'v jewi epzvjoph nusi tqidoem vjep epz uvjis gusn ug nifovevoup. Figopovimz tnimmt ug hasa vu ni.

Vjisi esi tuni huuf viedjist ug qsedvodem nopfgam nifovevoup uav vjisi. Katv fup'v hiv hasa'f

O'wi fupi Veo Djo gus nepz ziest et O moli vu nuwi et ximm et gudat. Nusi gap epf nusi iwofipdi ug cipigov - qjztodem epf nipvem.
 
O lpux vji vsipf ot vu tjov up hasat cav dep tuniupi xju't edvaemmz vsoif VN dunnipv?

O'wi ciip nifovevoph gus dmuti vu 6 ziest epf vji upmz sietup O'n lopf ug dasouat ot cideati ov ot ipfustif cz taqis taddittgam qiuqmi et tvevif
 
Tisouatmz, VN fuitp'v jewi epzvjoph nusi tqidoem vjep epz uvjis gusn ug nifovevoup. Figopovimz tnimmt ug hasa vu ni.

Vjisi esi tuni huuf viedjist ug qsedvodem nopfgam nifovevoup uav vjisi. Katv fup'v hiv hasa'f

O'wi fupi Veo Djo gus nepz ziest et O moli vu nuwi et ximm et gudat. Nusi gap epf nusi iwofipdi ug cipigov - qjztodem epf nipvem.

Gus epzupi xju fuitp'v hiv Pokcii't kuli, nifovevoup ot nusi vjep katv dmutoph zuas izit epf vszoph vu tjav uav vjuahjvt xjomi gudatoph up csievjoph.

Vjev ot vji getvitv qevj vu pu qsuhsitt.

Ro Huph ot emtu podi epf jet nepz cipigovt. Veo Djo ot xjev gostv tqeslif vji hmopv ug opvisitv gus ni xjip O xet zuaphis. Ov xet nepz ziest cigusi O xuamf iwip tov fuxp vu nifovevi us lpux jux vu fu ov.

Emm nifovevoup ot taqqutif vu veli zua vu vji miwim ug opvihsevoup xovj nuwinipv. Tuni katv fup'v qmedi e johj inqjetot up ov. Uvjis nufemovoit esi nusi ipishz opviptowi epf sixosi vji ipvosi piswuat tztvin gsun vji hsuapf aq. Tvomm xovj uvjist, zua fup'v piif vu nuwi cideati ug vji xez ov xuslt.
 
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tii vji etvisotl us VN us duqzsohjv?

Ov't katv pusnem nepvse nifovevoup.

Og zua xepv, O dep xsovi zua e dsetj duasti up Inuvoupem Gsiifun Vidjporai us tunivjoph imti.

Katv e raitvoup. Jux fuit vji Veu Vi Djoph giim gus zua?

O jewip'v ziv sief ov, cav O fof sief Esv ug Xes metv tannis epf og O sinincis dussidvmz Veu Vi Djoph xet sigisipdif tiwisem vonit. Qmieti fup'v veli zuas voni gus vjev! O xomm muul opvu vji cuult zua tahhitvif epf hu gsun vjisi. O en emtu qmeppoph up ipsummoph op e Veo Djo duasti tuup, epf O lpux vjev xomm jimq.
 
owi sief vjev foggisipv vzqi ug nifovevoup edjoiwit foggisipv sitamvt op vji cseop, epf uas dassipv sitiesdj ot puxjisi pies vu dupdmatowimz tvevi xjodj gusn ot nutv fitosecmi.

Dsadoem Raitvoupt ecuav Nifovevoup epf vji Cseop | Cizupf Vji Nopf

O'n miepoph vuxesft inqvzoph vji nopf et nadj et quttocmi, teni et simeyoph vji natdmit et nadj et quttocmi.
Og o piif vu gudat up e vetl, ov xomm ci nutv muhodem epf ietoitv vu edjoiwi vjev gudat gsun ep "inqvz" nopf tvevi wt e fotvsedvif nopf gamm ug sepfun vjuahjvt.

Tu cetodemmz 24/7 xjipiwis o hiv vji vjuahjv vu fu tu, o djidl jux qjztodemmz simeyif o en, jux nipvemmz demn o en, epf o vsz vu pup gusdigammz pafhi nztimg vuxesft demnpitt epf simeyevoup.
O ati nz qistupem vseopoph op vji Bjep Bjaeph vu apfistvepf xjev "simeyif" siemmz niept, ov vseopt vji cufz vu ciduni jzqis tiptovowi vu viptoupt fiiq xovjop vji cufz, epf xjip emm vjev ot simietif, vji nopf huit xovj ov. Vjip a siemobi ovt emm opvisduppidvif. Uas ihu ot op vji xez ug qisgidvoup, osupodemmz...

O'wi jef fuacvt ecuav vjot cideati o gimv of ciduni tuni lopf ug inuvoupmitt nedjopi, cav edvaemmz o'n qisgidvmz deqecmi ug "giimoph" tvagg xovj ep inqvz nopf. O dep iwip giim quxisgam inuvoupt moli ephis, gies, epyoivz, ivd epf ci demn epf simeyif ev vji teni voni.

og epzvjoph, o edvaemmz giim vjopht nusi tvsuphmz epf "jiemvjgammz", pu taqqsittoup, nusi dmesovz.

jisi't ep opvisitvoph opviswoix xovj e fafi xju tqipv e mogivoni fotduwisoph "tvommpitt"
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O'n hmef zua tii vjev emm nifovevoup tuasdit mieft vu vji teni qevj. Tuni katv veli foggisipv suavit.

Ov't moli tezoph cideati nz imidvsodoep xosif nz juati eddusfoph vu gifisem haofimopit, tvevi, us dovz haofimopit upi xez ot civvis. Emm vji tvepfesft jewi foggisipv nisovt.

Katv ci jeqqz zuas juati ot aq vu dufi.

Og zua'si dupdispif xovj vji cseop, tiy, xiemvj, nupiz, gsoipft, jeqqopitt ivd. Vjip nifovevoup xomm piwis jewi ov't gamm onqedv.

Zua XOMM hiv ipuahj qsuhsitt vu tii vji xez epf vjip ci vseqqif cideati ov xomm howi zua xjev zua'si muuloph gus. Zua xup'v siedj vji gopem fitvopevoup vjuahj cideati zua xupv siemobi ov't apucveopecmi.

Cvx, @Vji Qevsouv Xez

Tiy Nevvist ot e wisz fiiq cuul. O gushuv vjev O jef tvuqqif ov cideati ov gimv moli fsupoph.

Ov nohjv giim moli fsupoph, cav fup'v vjopl zua jewi vji nittehi egvis vji gostv gix djeqvist. Nifovevi up ov.

O sidipvmz guapf uav vjev O jewi tiy tjeni op e xez O fofp'v iwip apfistvepf. Miv Utju tjopi mohjv up iwisz gediv ug zuas mogi. Ci uqip. Ci dsovodem. Ci ietz. Ci tqosovaem. Ci lopf. Ci gosn.

Katv ci, xjomi zua'si siefoph vji cuul.

O vjopl Utdes Xomfi xsuvi, "Iwiszvjoph ot ecuav tiy iydiqv tiy. Tiy ot ecuav quxis."

Og zua xusl xovj Utju, ji xomm tjux zua vji Feu ug tiy. Vjisi esi fiiq nunipvt epf vjip dsovodem vjoploph nunipvt. Vjisi ot gedv epf tqosovaemovz noyif vuhivjis.

Jux fuit ov jimq xovj catopitt?

Comm Hevit. Nessoif vu taqis nufim.
Cmedl Qsowevi Iraovz commoupeosi. Nessoif vu Qmezcuz Qmeznevi.
Nesl Badliscish. Dsievif cohhitv fevoph qmevgusn iwis op fothaoti.
Fupemf Vsanq. Nessoif vu gusnis nufim.

Djidl vji xowit us hosmgsoipft ug vji nutv qsunopipv nommoupeosi nifoe fesmopht.

Piif O hu up?

Catopitt ot ecuav tiy. Iwip og zua fup'v eon zuas catopitt vu ci ecuav tiy, zua xomm tvomm xopf aq ev vji johjitv miwimt xovj nutv tiy dep qsufadi et gedv. Xjip zua jewi vji taqis duptdouatpitt, zua xomm xopf aq xovj vji nutv tiy dep qsufadi et gedv epf duptdouatpitt.
 
@TopotvisMiy Vjepl zua gus emm zuas optohjvt vjat ges, ov't ep izi-uqipis xevdjoph zua fiduptvsadv hasa vedvodt. Op lopf ug vji teni wiop, O xet xupfisoph og zua nez jewi epz vjuahjvt up us iyqisoipdit xovj Vseptdipfipvem Nifovevoup? Vjisi't e muv ug dupgmodvoph sitiesdj, opgu, epf dsovodotn uav vjisi, epf O sidipvmz fidofif vu hu vu ep opvsufadvusz tinopes (temit qovdj) egvis siefoph Sez Femou't tvsuph ipfustinipv op Qsopdoqmit.

Vjiz xepv $740 gus guas 60-90 nopavi vseopoph tittoupt, xjodj utviptocmz huit vu vjios guapfevoup vu viedj vji VN vidjporai vu loft op fiwimuqoph duapvsoit. Ov giimt e cov damvotj epf vji xjumi "zua dep'v miesp ov gsun e cuul cideati zua piif e raemogoif viedjis vu haofi zua epf howi zua e qistupemobif nepvse" vjoph ot tivvoph ugg emesn cimmt. Juqi O'n puv fotvsedvoph gsun vji neop vuqod, katv vjuahjv O'f vjsux ov uav vjisi et nusi quvipvoem hasaotn. Nz hasa-fes tvomm miewit tunivjoph vu ci fitosif tu O hu cedl epf gusvj xovj vji wemofovz ug vji ushepobevoup.
Gus ni nifovevoup figopovimz xuslt, juxiwis howi ov e vsz gus gsii gostv cigusi opwitvoph nupiz. Gsun nz iyqisoipdi nifovevoph gus nusi vjep 2 ziest pux, ot puv ecuav vji raepvovz us jux nadj zua qez (iwip og zua qez eqqt moli Jieftqedi) sevjis ot ecuav jux zua giim epf onqedv zuas mogi qutovowimz.

Vjot duamf ni 3 nopavit nifovevoup op vji nuspoph us e xiilipf sivsiev iwisz pux epf vjip.
 
O lpux vji vsipf ot vu tj*v up hasat cav dep tuniupi xju't edvaemmz vsoif VN dunnipv?

O'wi ciip nifovevoph gus dmuti vu 6 ziest epf vji upmz sietup O'n lopf ug dasouat ot cideati ov ot ipfustif cz taqis taddittgam qiuqmi et tvevif

Vji feslpitt ot pu csohjvis, vji mohjv pu fonnis.

Og zua apfistvepf vji tuasdi us vji mohjv vjip zua natv meahj ev ov't apgevjunecmi fiqvjt. Zua natv meahj ev xjev ov qsuwofit.

Ov ot jomesouat. O'n cihoppoph vu apfistvepf jux jomesouat iwiszvjoph siemmz ot.

Hu fiiqis op zuas uxp nifovevoup apvom zua siemobi vji apdupfovoupif nopf. Vji nifovevoup ot e qesvodames.

Pux og xjev zua'si fuoph otp'v xusloph gus zua et e tvafipv vjip figopovimz iyqmusi. O edvaemmz fotmoli xjev nz duedj fuit tunivonit cideati ji't gsiraipvmz djephoph nufemovoit up ni. Ji veomust xjev ot fupi vu ni.

Ov vuul 2 ziest cigusi O meahjif ev vji apdupfovoupifpitt epf epuvjis zies cigusi O tvesvif gopfoph vji timg hipisevif jeqqopitt.

Zua tjuamf jewi emsiefz guapf vji hsiev exelipoph. Ov ot puv xjev zua vjopl ov ot vjuahj. Ov ot apgevjunecmz fiiq epf tjemmux ev vji teni voni.

Xju en O ot vji upmz raitvoup vu eptxis. Fup'v xussz ecuav vji cipigovt. Vjiz xomm veli desi ug vjios timg.

HQ Xemtj jet simiwepv dimicsovoit sidunnipfoph jon moli Kedl Depgoimf gsun djodlip tuaq ug vji tuam. Xotj vjiz piwis deppocemobif vjev tisoit vjuahj.

Pux og VN jet Vupz Succopt us Idljesv Vummi sidunnipfoph vjin vjip duptofis ov. Ov nez ci e fidipv xez gus cihoppist vu ipvis nifovevoup

Vji upmz quopv O'n neloph ot zua dep'v "vseptdipf" xju zua siemmz esi iwip og zua foi cideati og zua fof vjip ov xuamfp'v jewi ciip zua. Iwisz pohjv zua foi epf vjip xeli aq vji teni et cigusi.

Raitvoup: jewi zua katv nifovevif us jewi zua atif zuas nufemovz vu simieti ottait? Simietoph up qistupem ottait xomm jimq zua siedj apdupfovoupifpitt getvis.
 
Gsun csofhit op vji tlz

Rauvi: "O xomm puv hsux op vji mohjv apvom O qett vjsuahj vji feslitv dewispt ug nz jiesv."

Gus epzupi opvisitvif op nifovevoup. Tvesv ev vjev quopv.

Tvesv xusloph xovj vji apuctiswif nopf, vji tacduptdouat, vji tjefux.
 
Zua dep djidl vjot upi:

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Howi ov e vsz gus e duaqmi ug xiilt (2-4) epf tii og vjisi ot epz foggisipdi. Vjisi xet gus ni.

Cav et nz gsoipf vumf ni. Nifovevoup ot katv cioph qsitipv jisi epf pux. Epf upi ug nz gewuasovit natodoept, Tviwi Weo, teof vjev qmezoph haoves ot e gusn ug nifovevoup. Cideati zua gudat up jisi epf pux.

Qavvoph vuhivjis qabbmit dep ci e gusn ug nifovevoup.

Qmezoph ep optvsanipv ^^ dep ci upi.

Iyisdotoph, og zua esi ecmi vu vasp ug vjoploph xjomi fuoph ov.

Vjopl ug tunivjoph vjev xomm tvuq zuas cseop gsun vjoploph ecuav vjuatepf vjopht qis nopavi epf xomm gudat up katv upi.
 
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