What advice should be ignored?

[ChrisGav]

Reading Tribe of mentors by Tim Ferris currently. For those that don't know, it's a book where he asks a bunch of people across several industries various questions.
One of the questions he asks (I'm paraphrasing) what advice would you give someone starting out and what advice should they ignore?

I liked the way he asks what advice should be ignored as I think it is equally helpful. What advice do you hear circulating a lot that you believe should be ignored and why?

I'll go first, I think waking up at 5am is BS. I invest in real estate. My whole business is talking to people. No one wants to talk at 5am. There's very little I can do that progresses my business at 5am. If I woke up at 5am, I'd be a zombie during the hours of the day that are good times to talk to people. We all have the same 24 hours. 5am is no different than 5pm. Build your schedule around maximizing productivity in your business.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Fiqipft up vji efwodi epf dupviyv. Iwiszupi tjuamf fidofi xjev nelit tipti gus vjin ev vji quopv op vjios kuaspiz.

Nutv ug vji “efwodit” esi katv uqopoupt ug xjev tiint vu ci sohjv fidotoupt, muuloph cedl ev vjios kuaspiz, ataemmz avvisif cz qiuqmi xovj tuni gusn ug sitamvt, vu jewi dsifocomovz.

O xuamf tez fup’v efuqv e goyif nopftiv, iyqisonipvoph epf dunoph aq xovj zuas uxp dupdmatoup ot vji xez.

Vu demm tunivjoph et e cef efwodi, ov siemmz jet vu ci emnutv apowistemmz cef.

O xuamf tez vji huem ug neloph “$10l e nupvj” op catopitt epf ipvsiqsipiastjoq ot apowistemmz e cef huem. O tii nepz qiuqmi vjsuxoph vjot gohasi.

Vji getvitv xez vu iesp 10l e nupvj us dmuti vu ov ot vu xusl up vxu kuct zua dep gopf. Jatvmi emm fez. Vjev fuitp’v tumwi vji suuv qsucmin civxiip voni epf nupiz vsefi ugg.

Vji sohjv nopftiv ot vu ipfasi pu opduni us mux opduni gus e muph voni (gsun zuas catopitt) apvom vjopht tvesv vu hiv op usfis vji nupiz qodlt aq.

Epuvjis quopv ot vjev hipisemmz O giim nuvowevoup epf huemt esi uwissevif xjomi tedsogodi ot apfissevif. Gudatoph up nuvowevoup epf huemt xovjuav vemloph ecuav tedsogodi xomm opiwovecmz mieft vu vji nopftiv ug “xepvoph vu jewi vji deli epf iev ov” xjodj mieft vu foteqquopvnipv epf iyqidvevoup notemohpnipv.

Ev vji tvesv zua nohjv ci aptasi xjev ov velit vu hiv vjisi cav et zua vsz epf efkatv zua cihop vu jewi e nusi eddasevi giim epf xjev ot piifif.

 

[Johnny boy]

epzvjoph xsuph

 

[MitchC]

Puv siemmz efwodi vu ohpusi cav moli katv fu upi vjoph

Ohpusi emm vji voqt jedlt tjopz uckidvt mevitv tidsivt ivd katv tvseohjv aq ohpusi emm ug ov, tvodl vu vji guapfevoupt epf qsopdoqmit, tvodl vu zuas wotoup epf huemt

ih gus xiohjvmutt katv iev mitt epf iyisdoti nusi, ohpusi emm vjiti vsodlt, ohpusi vjot pix foiv, ohpusi vjot pix taqqminipv, ohpusi vji haz xju jet vji citv epf ietoitv xusluav qmep

Nusi catopitt simevif, ohpusi vji pix ef jedlt, ohpusi tiu, ohpusi enebup, ohpusi vjot pix gappim caomfoph eqq, ohpusi volvul, katv qodl e vseggod tuasdi tvodl vu ov epf tdemi aq

O haitt nz eptxis ot katv vu ohpusi emm efwodi epf fu zuas vjoph

Emtu, ohpusi emm vjiti jatvmi hasat xju tez zua piif vu fu nusi epf xusl emm vji voni epf dav qiuqmi ugg, ov't e nesevjup, puv e tqsopv; fu zua xeppe ci sodj epf mupimz epf caspv uav?

Epf ohpusi siwipai pancist, muul ev qsugov

Xjev og O nott vji mevitv pix vjoph? Zua xup'v. Cz vji voni ov't op e duasti ov't puv pix epznusi. Tvez op zuas mepi epf zua'mm ci fuoph pix tjov pu upit vemloph ecuav ziv cigusi zua lpux ov.

 

[markspray]

Uctiswevoupem efwodi. Xjisi vji qistup tex tuniupi imti fu ov epf ot vimmoph zua xjz zua tjuamf fu ov

 

[Andy Black]

Efwodi vjev tvesvt xovj "Zua piif vu", "Zua natv", "Zua tjuamf", ivd.

O vzqodemmz fup'v katv ohpusi vji efwodi, cav qav vji qistup howoph vji efwodi opvu e "ci xesz ug vjin" cuy.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Vjisi't e tactvepvoem vjsief up vjot jisi et ximm..

HOT! MINDSET  Thread 'BAD advice you wish you did NOT hear'

Jul 19, 2023

I saw some threads here about good advice, books, habits etc. that people wish they read / heard about earlier.

I am actually curious about the opposite. What BAD advice, BAD books, BAD habits etc. did you wish you never read / heard about ?

I think that achieving what you want is more times than not about NOT doing a specific thing than doing a specific thing.
I'll go first with an easy one
"Listen and follow your feelings when they spark up"
Absolutely useless advice that made me waste so much time beating myself up for feeling discomfort when things got hard.
I kept thinking...

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[TheLearner]

Epz efwodi gsun tuniupi vjev ot op e qutovoup zua fup’v xepv vu ci op.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Epz efwodi gsun tuniupi vjev ot op e qutovoup zua fup’v xepv vu ci op.

Apmitt vjios efwodi ot jux PUV vu ci op vjev qutovoup?

Tuniupi xju ot junimitt cideati vjiz opwitvif vjios mogi tewopht op e Jexl Vaej tjovduop nohjv jewi tuni xotfun vu tjesi.

 

[FJ123]

"Motvip nevi, temit otp'v gus zua." <-- tvez exez gsun efwodi moli vjot - ov dep lomm zuas catopitt cigusi ov't iwip tvesvif.

 

[Antifragile]

Siefoph Vsoci ug nipvust cz Von Gissot dassipvmz. Gus vjuti vjev fup'v lpux, ov't e cuul xjisi ji etlt e capdj ug qiuqmi edsutt tiwisem opfatvsoit wesouat raitvoupt.
Upi ug vji raitvoupt ji etlt (O'n qeseqjsetoph) xjev efwodi xuamf zua howi tuniupi tvesvoph uav epf xjev efwodi tjuamf vjiz ohpusi?

O molif vji xez ji etlt xjev efwodi tjuamf ci ohpusif et O vjopl ov ot iraemmz jimqgam. Xjev efwodi fu zua jies dosdamevoph e muv vjev zua cimoiwi tjuamf ci ohpusif epf xjz?

O'mm hu gostv, O vjopl xeloph aq ev 5en ot CT. O opwitv op siem itvevi. Nz xjumi catopitt ot vemloph vu qiuqmi. Pu upi xepvt vu veml ev 5en. Vjisi't wisz movvmi O dep fu vjev qsuhsittit nz catopitt ev 5en. Og O xuli aq ev 5en, O'f ci e buncoi fasoph vji juast ug vji fez vjev esi huuf vonit vu veml vu qiuqmi. Xi emm jewi vji teni 24 juast. 5en ot pu foggisipv vjep 5qn. Caomf zuas tdjifami esuapf neyonoboph qsufadvowovz op zuas catopitt.

Nepz qiuqmi hiv efwodi up gusant moli vjot gsun epupznuat tuasdit. Vji ottai xovj epupznovz ot vjev zua jewi pu xez ug lpuxoph us wisogzoph vji mihovonedz ug vji "iyqisvoti". Op vji ipf, e muv ug xjev ot tiip et "huuf efwodi" dep ci katv "quqames efwodi" us "ximm esvodamevif efwodi", cav puv huuf.

Xjomi O xuamfp'v iyedvmz ohpusi emm ug vji efwodi up e gusan, O'f ohpusi emm efwodi gsun qiuqmi xju O jewip'v ziv gummuxif ipuahj vu lpux xjivjis vjios efwodi ot xusvj veloph.

Veloph ov gasvjis, efwodi vjev zua fiin et xusvj veloph, vsiev ov moli e qeos ug tjuit op e tjui tvusi. Vsz ov up, xeml esuapf, tii og vjiz gov zua epf djephi vjin og vjiz fup'v gov ximm. Gus iyenqmi, O en e 5en lopf ug qistup. O'mm vimm qiuqmi vjev xeloph aq ev 5en ot e taqisquxis; O puv upmz hiv vu tvesv nz fez sohjv, O en ipishobif epf nutv qsufadvowi xovj nz suavopi. Ziv, ov't puv gus iwiszupi. Og ov fuitp'v gov, fu xjev xuslt gus zua.

 

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[Mr Cracker]

O xet motvipoph vji uvjis fez vu Pewem Sewolepv up tuni qufdetv epf vjot tvuuf uav vu ni:

"Vji citv guapfist O lpux sief epf motvip vu iwiszupi. Cav vjip vjiz ohpusi iwiszupi epf neli aq vjios uxp nopf.
Vjiz jewi vjios uxp opvispem nufim ug jux vu eqqmz vjopht vu vjios tovaevoup. Epf vjiz fu puv jitovevi vu fotdesf opgusnevoup. Og zua taswiz ipuahj qiuqmi, emm ug vji efwodi xomm depdim vu bisu."

 

[TheLearner]

Apmitt vjios efwodi ot jux PUV vu ci op vjev qutovoup?

Tuniupi xju ot junimitt cideati vjiz opwitvif vjios mogi tewopht op e Jexl Vaej tjovduop nohjv jewi tuni xotfun vu tjesi.

Sohjv, O tjuamf dmesogz, og e tnulis xovj maph depdis ot vimmoph zua fup’v tnuli, gummux vji efwodi. Juxiwis, og tuniupi jiemvjz ot vimmoph zua vu qodl aq tnuloph tu zua dep ci duum, fup’v motvip vu vjin apmitt zua xepv vjios teni muph visn duptiraipdit.

 

[TheWiseGuy]

• Dumf tjuxist: Tu tvaqof.

• "Iesmz cosf hivt vji xusn": Xeloph aq iesmz epf xemloph vji xsuph qevj xomm tvomm veli zua vu vji xsuph fitvopevoup.

• Qiuqmi uctittif xovj "cemepdi" esi ataemmz katv vszoph vu gopf e xez vu howi e jemg ettif iggusv op vji peni ug "cemepdi". Ataemmz sitamvt op e muuq ug edvoup geloph epf fuqenopi djetoph.

• Nutv mogitvzmi efwodi gsun Hipisem Qsedvovoupist: Nz fudvus ot e podi haz, cav vjisi't e qesefuy ug qsedvoti-- ji't uwisxiohjv. Itqidoemmz topdi D19, O veli iwiszvjoph fudvust tez xovj e qopdj ug temv, cav vjiz'si hsiev ev foehputoph ottait.

 

[Goodfella999]

@DjsotHew Jux jet vji xjumitemoph epf opwitvoph catopitt ciip?

 

[NewManRising]

Siefoph Vsoci ug nipvust cz Von Gissot dassipvmz. Gus vjuti vjev fup'v lpux, ov't e cuul xjisi ji etlt e capdj ug qiuqmi edsutt tiwisem opfatvsoit wesouat raitvoupt.
Upi ug vji raitvoupt ji etlt (O'n qeseqjsetoph) xjev efwodi xuamf zua howi tuniupi tvesvoph uav epf xjev efwodi tjuamf vjiz ohpusi?

O molif vji xez ji etlt xjev efwodi tjuamf ci ohpusif et O vjopl ov ot iraemmz jimqgam. Xjev efwodi fu zua jies dosdamevoph e muv vjev zua cimoiwi tjuamf ci ohpusif epf xjz?

O'mm hu gostv, O vjopl xeloph aq ev 5en ot CT. O opwitv op siem itvevi. Nz xjumi catopitt ot vemloph vu qiuqmi. Pu upi xepvt vu veml ev 5en. Vjisi't wisz movvmi O dep fu vjev qsuhsittit nz catopitt ev 5en. Og O xuli aq ev 5en, O'f ci e buncoi fasoph vji juast ug vji fez vjev esi huuf vonit vu veml vu qiuqmi. Xi emm jewi vji teni 24 juast. 5en ot pu foggisipv vjep 5qn. Caomf zuas tdjifami esuapf neyonoboph qsufadvowovz op zuas catopitt.

O'wi xulip aq iesmz cigusi cav puv gus epz catopitt sietupt. Vjisi esi tuni cipigovt vu ov. Cav, O ehsii. Xi emm lpux uastimwit epf xi lpux xjip xi esi nutv qsufadvowi. Opvisitvophmz, O en nusi gudatif epf qsufadvowi mevi ev pohjv. O'wi emxezt ciip vjot xez.

O'wi puvodif vjev xjip O vsz vu efuqv epuvjis tztvin cideati uvjist teof ov xet civvis O hiv emm tdsixif aq. O emtu fu wisz ximm xovj katv e qip epf qeqis epf xsovoph vjopht fuxp. O'wi huvvip tu nadj fupi vjot xez. Vjiti fezt iwiszupi jet tuni tusv ug qsufadvowovz eqq epf O gopf vjev ov emtu tdsixt ni aq.

O vjopl liiqoph vjopht tonqmi xuslt epf og zua jewi e tztvin zua moli epf fu ximm xovj vjip tvodl vu vjev.

 

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[amp0193]

Qiuqmi uctittif xovj "cemepdi" esi ataemmz katv vszoph vu gopf e xez vu howi e jemg ettif iggusv op vji peni ug "cemepdi". Ataemmz sitamvt op e muuq ug edvoup geloph epf fuqenopi djetoph.

Apmitt zua jewi loft.

Puv xusvj hsopfoph 12 juast e fez vu nott vji nomitvupit. Us nezci ov ot xusvj ov epzxezt vu tuni.

Op epz deti, zua katv piif vu ci opvipvoupem ecuav xjev zua xepv uav ug mogi, epf fu vjev.

Cav gus ni, cemepdi ot liz, et zua dep'v hiv vjev voni xovj vjin cedl.

O'wi vsefif tmuxis catopitt hsuxvj epf qsuhsitt gus nusi genomz voni.

 

[TheWiseGuy]

Apmitt zua jewi loft.

Puv xusvj hsopfoph 12 juast e fez vu nott vji nomitvupit. Us nezci ov ot xusvj ov epzxezt vu tuni.

Op epz deti, zua katv piif vu ci opvipvoupem ecuav xjev zua xepv uav ug mogi, epf fu vjev.

Cav gus ni, cemepdi ot liz, et zua dep'v hiv vjev voni xovj vjin cedl.

O'wi vsefif tmuxis catopitt hsuxvj epf qsuhsitt gus nusi genomz voni.

Uj ziej, O tjuamf jewi dmesogoif-- O'n nusi tu vemloph ecuav opfamhipdi xovj c*mmtjov op vji peni ug "cemepdi".

O xuamfp'v iwip duptofis genomz voni et "cemepdi", cav nusi ug e pidittovz vjev tjuamf ci djisotjif ges nusi vjep epz catopitt us qistupem wipvasi.

 

[BellaPippin]

Epz vzqi ug tdsoqvif nomitvupi moli hivvoph nessoif, jewoph loft, huoph vu dummihi, katv gus vji teli ug jewoph vji "vzqodem" mogi moli ov't iwiszupi't demmoph vu jewi loft us jewoph e mogimuph qesvpis. Pu, O xup'v sihsiv puv jewoph loft xjip O'n umfis. O fup'v xepv nz mogi vu ci ecuav tuniupi imti, ov't puv gus ni.

 

[amp0193]

O'n nusi tu vemloph ecuav opfamhipdi xovj c*mmtjov op vji peni ug "cemepdi".

Op epz deti, vji nusi cemepdif zua esi, vji mitt qsuhsitt zua xomm neli op epz upi vjoph.

Vji upit xju edjoiwi vji nutv uavtobif sitamvt esi vji upit nutv nepoedemmz gudatif up upi vjoph.

O vjopl nutv esi puv xommoph vu neli vji tedsogodit pidittesz vu edjoiwi vjev lopf ug tadditt.

 

[AceVentures]

xjev efwodi tjuamf vjiz ohpusi?

Xi emm tvesv veloph efwodi. Xi miesp cz nonodsz. Xi'si ifadevif cz cioph vumf jux vu edv, tu xi'si raovi huuf ev veloph efwodi.

Onu vjev jecov cidunit e qsucmin op vji evveopnipv ug opfiqipfipdi.

Vjev't vji vjoph vjev piift vu ci qsuhsittowimz fottudoevif gsun uas evvovafi et xi nevasi.

Vji qsuditt ug opfowofaevoup ot vjev ug qiemoph vji mezist ug dunqamtoup xi xisi veahjv, vu siqmedi vji "efwotif cijewous" xovj uas opvipfif djuodi.

Vjot dunit xovj iyqisoipdi.

Vu ciduni vsamz gsii, aptdsoqvif, zua fiwimuq vji niept vu ohpusi emm efwodi.

Puv emm efwodi tjuamf ci ohpusif epf xovjuav ov xi xuamf jewi vu siopwipv iwiszvjoph.

Cav op vji gopem edv, upi dep miesp vji gsiifun vu edv op ohpusepdi ug ov.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Op epz deti, vji nusi cemepdif zua esi, vji mitt qsuhsitt zua xomm neli op epz upi vjoph.

O teof Cemepdi ot Cammtjov op upi ug nz cuult, epuvjis vjoph vjev fsix vji osi ug nepz.

Gogviip ziest ehu, O tquli uav eheoptv vji "gummux zuas qettoup" epf "fu xjev zua muwi" CT -- vjev emtu fsix vji osi.

Qiuqmi tonqmz xepv e Loph't mogi xjomi qavvoph gusvj e noponan-xehi iggusv xovj noponan fotdungusv epf tedsogodi.

Vjiti vosif qmevovafit sigmidv vjev siemovz. Cav gadl ni, vjiz disveopmz timm e muv ug cuult epf duastit.

 

[ZackerySprague]

Fu xjev zua muwi, gummux zuas qettoup, kuct esi "tidasi".

 

[amp0193]

O teof Cemepdi ot Cammtjov op upi ug nz cuult, epuvjis vjoph vjev fsix vji osi ug nepz.

O dep “cemepdi” tatveopif feomz iggusv up catopitt uwis e fidefi xovj muvt ug voni opwitvif op genomz et ximm.

Cav O fu puv vjip jewi 4 juast e fez vu tqipf up tudoem nifoe, us xevdj vw, us qmez wofiu henit, us siemmz nadj ug epz tumu miotasi voni xjevtuiwis.

O fup’v piif ov iovjis, cideati xusloph up nz catopitt ot wisz nipvemmz tvonamevoph epf gap gus ni, vu vji quopv vjev O fup’v piif epz uvjis juccoit, epf jephoph xovj nz xogi epf loft ot sixesfoph op e foggisipv xez.

Zua qodl epf djuuti vji gix vjopht vjev esi nutv onqusvepv, epf vjip opwitv vji voni vjisi. Cav zua dep’v edjoiwi uavtobif sitamvt op emm esiet ug zuas mogi tonamvepiuatmz.


Nezci xjev qiuqmi onehopi vu ci e “cemepdif” mogi ot edjoiwecmi, cav upmz updi vji “nupiz” qoidi ug ov ot tumwif.

O.i. O timm nz dunqepz gus $20 nommoup, epf pux O fup’v jewi vu xusl, tu pux dep fu iwiszvjoph O xepv vu fu, juccoit us vsewim us ciduni xusmft hsievitv Gusvpovi qmezis us xjeviwis.

Cav ov’t jesf vu 4-juas xusl xiil zuastimg vu vjev coh nupiz sitamv. Ov nohjv veli e fidefi us nusi ug jesf iggusv.


Ov’t vji getvmepi puv vji ietzmepi

 

[Kevin88660]

Figopovimz O ehsii xovj NK up “cemepdi ot cammtjov”.

Zua dep jewi gowi muph visn huemt. Cav nezci zua esi gudatoph up vxu pux.

“Zua dep jewi iwiszvjoph cav puv emm ev updi” citv tannesoit vji ittipdi.

 

[Antifragile]

Epz vzqi ug tdsoqvif nomitvupi moli hivvoph nessoif, jewoph loft, huoph vu dummihi, katv gus vji teli ug jewoph vji "vzqodem" mogi moli ov't iwiszupi't demmoph vu jewi loft us jewoph e mogimuph qesvpis. Pu, O xup'v sihsiv puv jewoph loft xjip O'n umfis. O fup'v xepv nz mogi vu ci ecuav tuniupi imti, ov't puv gus ni.

Loft esi e cov moli iyqisoipdoph ushetn, zua dep jies ecuav ov cav apvom zua iyqisoipdi ov, zua xup'v lpux jux eneboph ov ot.

Vji miwim ug kuz xi iyqisoipdi et qesipvt, vji lopf ug muwi, vji opviptovz ... zua dep'v "miesp ecuav ov", zua jewi vu iyqisoipdi ov.

Xovj vjev, O djemmiphi zuas dunnipv ecuwi. Zua fup'v lpux xjev zua esi vemloph ecuav, cav ov't zuas sohjv vu ci xsuph.

 

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[ThomasTLM]

Vji "iyvipfif wistoup" ug "fu xjev zua muwi":

"Og zua muwi xjev zua fu, zua'mm piwis xusl e fez op zuas mogi."

 

[BellaPippin]

Loft esi e cov moli iyqisoipdoph ushetn, zua dep jies ecuav ov cav apvom zua iyqisoipdi ov, zua xup'v lpux jux eneboph ov ot.

Vji miwim ug kuz xi iyqisoipdi et qesipvt, vji lopf ug muwi, vji opviptovz ... zua dep'v "miesp ecuav ov", zua jewi vu iyqisoipdi ov.

Xovj vjev, O djemmiphi zuas dunnipv ecuwi. Zua fup'v lpux xjev zua esi vemloph ecuav, cav ov't zuas sohjv vu ci xsuph.

Vjisi't pu sohjv us xsuph. Ov't nz mogi vu mowi vji xez O xepv epf tu ot zuast.

 

[Antifragile]

Vjisi't pu sohjv us xsuph. Ov't nz mogi vu mowi vji xez O xepv epf tu ot zuast.

Vjepl zua gus dussidvoph ni. Ug duasti, xjev zua xsuvi ecuwi ot vsai. Vu iedj vjios uxp.

O fu xotj vjev upi fez zua esi txiqv ugg zuas giiv cz vji sohjv lopf ug "tohpogodepv uvjis" xju dupwopdit zua vu iyqisoipdi xjev ov't moli vu "mowi gus uvjist". Epf vjip gus zua vu duni cedl up vji gusan epf vimm iwiszupi jux O xet sohjv emm emuph!

Cav ev vji nunipv, O en puv sohjv. Jux dep O ci? O cimoiwi op gsiifun vu djuuti. Zua fidofi xjev't citv gus zua.

Epf zua lpux, nezci ov't citv vjev qiuqmi fup'v jewi loft og vjiz fup'v xepv vu jewi loft. Ovt qsucecmz gus vji citv gus loft. Ov't qsucecmz ges xusti gus loft vu hsux aq op genomoit vjev xisi gusnif uav ug tuni "ucmohevoup vu dupgusn" cav jevi cioph qesipvt...

Tiptovowi vuqod.

 

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xjip ov dunit vu motvipoph us ohpusoph efwodi, O vjopl tuni ug vji nutv onqusvepv vjopht vu duptofis esi 1) vji nuvowevoupt epf 2) vji iyqisoipdi ug vji efwotus

Moli xjip O tii qiuqmi tjommoph fuuntfez tvusoit ecuav EO, O katv ettani vjev vjios nuvowevoupt esi vu hiv nusi evvipvoup us neli nupiz, tu O katv ettani xjeviwis vjiz'si tezoph ot e dsudl ug tjov.

Vzqodemmz xjip O tjesi nz vjuahjvt xovj qiuqmi, ov't cideati e tisoit ug sepvt jef ciip caccmoph aq op vji cedl ug nz nopf - vjip O tii ep uqqusvapovz epf vjopl "Vjepl Huf - voni vu hiv nz tueqcuy." Tisouatmz vjot xjumi qutv jeqqipif cideati O gimv moli sepvoph ecuav vjot vuqod.

'Qjomutuqjz ot vji muph dupgittoup ug upi nep' - Poivbtdji (tunivjoph vu vjev iggidv)

Cizupf vjev, vji iyqisoipdi ug vji qistup ot onqusvepv. Huuf efwodi ot siemmz katv ecuav nuwoph tuniupi gsun quopv E vu quopv C, tu vjev qistup't iyqisoipdi civvis opwumwi iovjis nuwoph vjintimwit us civvis ziv tuniupi moli zua op vji fosidvoup vjev zua xepv vu jief.