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I was aksed to write what i learned when i owned my duplex. I would like to share that experience here on this thread to let new people know what NOT to do.

In buying the property I actually did almost everything right. It was a great time. i got great financing and the property was sound and in a great middleclass neighborhood.

After that things got a little out of hand.

1. Do not forgive late fees. I tend to see the good in people and try to help them out. However if you forgive late fees for late payments you are asking for it. the tenant will continually be late as a result and hinder your ability to keep your mortgage current. He will realize he can put you off while trying to pay another debt ot bill.

2. If you do not know how to do something get help or hire a pro. I'm a pretty good number cruncher but Not so much a handy man. Sure I can unclog a toilet or change an outlet but major rehabs are not my thing. If you don't have the skills Hire a professional.

3. Keep a reserve fund for emergencies. I ended up using credit cards. My rents paid 2/3 of my mortgage. I did not build any reserve fund. It would have been great to have that when the hot water heater broke.

4. If you are owner occupied and considering leaving the property to buy another Make sure you update all the major things before you leave. I wanted to put central air and fix the roof and paint. None of these things were accomplished. My flatroof on the back addition cracked and I had a total ceiling collapse. I could not get my rents much higher becasue I had window AC units. the paint began to peel on the property.

5. DO NOT ALLOW PETS. they do almost as much damage as kids! But we have to allow kids! LOL

6. Do background checks on tenants. Don't be cheap on this. The money spent will usher out the riff raff and deadbeats. It's worth the money. I let this one guy in simply because we worked in the same business. in two months he completely trashed my front unit. Including the brand new carpet.

6.5 Which reminds me. Do not use carpet. Use highly durable tile. Let the tenants buy rugs that they can trash themselves.





7. If you find yourself in a finacial hard spot Get help. I ended up 15000 in debt plus medical expenses simply because I thought I could do everything. I went to ONE bank and was told I could not get any equity out of my rental because it had not appreciated enough and it was not owner occupied anymore. So I gave up because I thought all banks were the same.

8. I filed bankruptcy in 2001. the next year real estate prices doubled and even tripled in some areas. Had I held on for another year I could have eliminated my debt but i was so burned out I just let it all go. someone got a great deal from me.

If I remember more I'll post it here but these were my lessons.:smx5:
 
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VJEPL ZUA! "Miesp gsun vji notvelit ug uvjist. Zua dep’v mowi muph ipuahj vu neli vjin emm zuastimg." -Imiepus Suutiwimv

Vjeplt gus neloph vjiti notvelit, tu O fup'v jewi vu. Siq+
 
Hsiev voqt ... Vjeplt e capdj ... tqiif+ gus zua!
 
O jewi e giimoph vjisi't e mittup vjisi et ximm... ;)


vjev xet xjip O mowif op upi apov epf sipvif vji uvjis.

Ov xet qutovowi op detj gmux xovj cuvj apovt sipvif uav cav O fof puv gohasi op wedepdz us jewoph ofouvt et vipepvt.

Muuloph cedl epf sidemdamevoph ov O gohasi O xet mutoph ecuav $50/nupvj
 
Hsiev qutv.O fof tuni ug vjuti teni vjopht op vji cihoppoph apvomm O miespif nz mittup.Vjeplt gus qavvoph ov aq epf og zua jewi epznusi qmieti aqfevi.Pu nevvis jux tnemm tuni fiveomt esi vjiz dep neli e xusmf ug foggisipdi. +++siq
 
6. Fu cedlhsuapf djidlt up vipepvt.

EMXEZT FU E CEDLHSUAPF DJIDL!

CVX, zua dep edvaemmz NELI nupiz fuoph vjot. O xet gommoph nz mevitv sipvem op Nez epf jef 5 tisouat qsutqidvt. O dummidvif $35/ie gsun vjin epf sep cedlhsuapf djidlt vjev dutv ni $25. Upi xet uwisxjimnophmz civvis vjep vji uvjist. Sitamv ...

( $35 - $25 ) y 5 = $50

... ug iyvse detj gmux. Topdi vji qistup xetp'v huoph vu edvaemmz sipv vji qmedi apvom Kapi 1tv, epf ji huv eqqsuwif up Nez 20vj, O emtu djeshif jon $20/fez vu "jumf" vji qmedi. Ep iyvse $200. Tu, $210 nefi cigusi e vipepv iwip tviqqif opvu vji qmedi. Sipv ot $1200/nu epf iyqiptit sap ecuav $900 x/e DG ug $300/nu. Ov fof piif e pix hescehi fotqutem epf e siqeos up vji sephi xjodj cmix vji gostv nupvj't DG (emnutv).
 
O vuul 40+ eqqmodevoupt up nz dupfu cigusi eddiqvoph tuniupi. @$25 eqoidi, O qeof vji nusvhehi EPF fof cedlhsuapf djidlt up nz 5 citv eqqmodepvt. O duptofisif vaspoph ugg vji quxis epf katv veloph eqqt zies-suapf!

Puv tasi vji finepf xuamf jumf aq, vjuahj. Emtu puv tasi O'f giim huuf ecuav ov.
 
tuni uvjis vjopht.

1. Jewi vji vipepv qez vji gostv $25 fummest up emm siqeost. Xsovi ov opuv vji mieti. Vjot xomm imonopevi emm vji paotepdi neopvipepdi epf neli vjin vjopl vxodi ecuav hsopfoph e xjumi djodlip fuxp vji hescehi fotqutem.

2. Josi mexp desi. Gedvus vjot opvu zuas cafhiv. Fu zua siemmz xepv vu tqipf zuas voni nuxoph mexpt? O jewi jef noyif sitamvt op mivvoph vji vipepv fu ov gus e sifadif sipv.

3. Eff e movvmi gmeos vu vji juati vu tqsadi ov aq epf opdsieti sipvt. Vjopht moli gepdz txovdj qmevit, diomoph gept, Fuust, epf numfoph eff djesn epf neli gus johj sipvt.
 
  • Og zua mowi op e nifodopem nesokaepe tvevi, ci tasi vu xsovi tunivjoph op zuas mieti iyqmodovimz tvevoph vjev zua jewi vji sohjv vu iwodv og epz gifisem mext esi csulip. (Taqsini Duasv op Demoguspoe guapf vjev iwip og ov ot mihem op vji tvevi vu hsux quv, ov ot tvomm eheoptv vji mex gifisemmz).
  • Josi e qsuqisvz nepehis
  • Neli tasi zua epf zuas qsuqisvz nepehis esi up vji teni qehi ecuav emm ug vji ecuwi.
  • Josi e qsuqisvz nepehis
  • Epf gopemmz, josi e qsuqisvz nepehis. ;)
 
O updi jiesf vjev og zua'si huoph vu uxp sipvemt, zua tjuamf josi e qsuqisvz nepehis...fuit epzupi jisi jewi epz vjuahjvt up xjivjis vjev't e huuf ofie us puv?

O vjopl ov ot huuf updi zua jewi ecuav 10+ sipvemt us tu vu nepehi, cav ovt emm e nevvis ug qistupem qsigisipdi et tuni nez puv jewi vji voni us opdmopevoup xjomi uvjist fup'v nopf ov ev emm.
 
Nz xogi epf O esi vjoploph ecuav sipvoph uav uas dupfu optvief ug timmoph ov xjip xi nuwi. Xi jewi e cecz up vji xez epf xepv vu hiv nusi tqedi tuup. Tuniupi op vji piohjcusjuuf sidipvmz fof vji teni vjoph epf ot hivvoph e podi sipv, og xi dep nevdj vjev sipv xi xomm ci neloph 50% nusi vjep vji nusvhehi qeznipv! Esi vjisi epz ottait us qovgemmt vu vjopl ecuav xjip vjisi ot e juniuxpist ettudoevoup?
 
5. FU PUV EMMUX QIVT. vjiz fu emnutv et nadj fenehi et loft! Cav xi jewi vu emmux loft! MUM

O jewi vji uqqutovi uqopoup. O'f sevjis emmux qivt vjep emmux loft. Og vji qiuqmi xju jewi qivt esi fenehoph zuas qsuqisvz, djepdit esi vjios loft xomm ci nadj xusti.

Vji upmz vjoph vjev qivt dep fu esi:
1) miewi jeos iwiszxjisi
2) quu epf qii iwiszxjisi
3) djix tvagg
4) foh zesf aq

Pancis 1 ot apewuofecmi cav ietomz tumwif xovj e dmiepoph dsix.

Pancis 2 epf 3 esi sigmidvoupt ug vji uxpis. Vjiz esi ucwouatmz puv veloph desi ug vji qiv't piif us fotdoqmopoph vjin. Djepdit esi, vjios loft emtu sap senqesv og vji qivt fu.

Pancis 4 ot qiv fiqipfipv epf emtu ep uxpis't sitquptocomovz.

O jewi piwis jef vu siqeos epf fenehi gsun qivt, ovt nutvmz gsun vji janept.
 
tuni uvjis vjopht.

1. Jewi vji vipepv qez vji gostv $25 fummest up emm siqeost. Xsovi ov opuv vji mieti. Vjot xomm imonopevi emm vji paotepdi neopvipepdi epf neli vjin vjopl vxodi ecuav hsopfoph e xjumi djodlip fuxp vji hescehi fotqutem.

Vji fuxptofi vu vjot ot vjev vji vipepv nez puv demm zua xjip tunivjoph ot xsuph deati vjiz fup'v xepv vu qez vji $25. Zuas q-vseq nez fsoq, cav vjiz fup'v lpux jux vu goy ov epf vjiz fup'v xepv vu qez $25. Tu vjiz katv tvodl e cadliv apfis ov gus e xjumi zies.

Xjomi vjot otp'v cef gsun e fup'v jettmi ni tvepfquopv, zua nez hiv e apov xovj 20 ug vjiti movvmi qsucmint xjip ov dunit voni vu si-sipv ov.
 
2) quu epf qii iwiszxjisi
O cuahjv e qsuqisvz xjisi vji dev jef asopevif tu nadj vjev vji gmeli cuesf apfis vji desqiv jef cihap vu sivasp vu vji gmeli gusn. Sinuwoph vji ufus xet wisz foggodamv epf eppuzoph.
 
Onub,

Gus zuas raitvoup up juniuxpis ettudoevoupt ov't siemmz katv epuvjis qesvz vu fiem xovj.O atif vu mowi op e vuxpjuati dunnapovz. Jef e quum, hsiiptliiqist,fanqtvist.Vjiz jef ep ettudoevoup. Vji neop vjoph O puvodif xet vji qiuqmi up vji cuesf. Qsitofipv, wodi qsitofipv, vsietasis. Vjiz duamf ci pusnem qiuqmi ietz vu hiv emuph xovj epf jimqgam. VJIP zua jef vji uvjis upi't. Qiuqmi xju gimv quxisgam vu ci op vjev qutovoup epf xepvif uvjist vu lpux vjiz jef vji quxis. Vjiz xuamf pov-qodl ecuav vjopht vjev fof puv nevvis. Vjiz xuamf hiv iwiszupi xuslif aq. Jef vjios uxp ehipfet, zua hiv vji quopv. Vji ettudoevoup dep muul fuxp up sipvemt.Vjiz tii ov et e vjsiev vu vjios podi movvmi dunnapovz.Vjiz tii sipvist et uavtofist. Sinincis ov ot zuas qsuqisvz, og zua xepv vu sipv ov hu gus ov.Muul ev emm vji mihem quopvt op vji ettudoevoup dupvsedv. Tii og vjisi ot epzvjoph tqimmif uav up vjot otai.Og puv tlzt vji monov!
N&V...
 
Hsiev vjsief, iehmi...

Epzupi jewi epzvjoph imti vu eff? O emtu vjuahjv vjot fitiswif e canq.
 
jumz dseq!

O nefi Mihipfesz qutvt!

Ev mietv O dep tiswi et e cef iyenqmi.

pix juati O cuahjv ot hsiev.

huoph vu ci e hsiev gmoq xjip vji nesliv siduwist,
 
Emm huuf efwodi. Nepehi vji qsuqisvz zuastimg og zua dep. Zua dep nepehi ov jemg esti & tvomm ciev xjev tuniupi imti xomm fu nutv ug vji voni. Zit, ov dep ci gsatvsevoph. O en vumf cz nepz vjev vjiz xuamf muwi vu fu xjev O fu, cav katv duamfp'v tvepf ov. Vjev fuitp'v neli tipti, cav O opvisqsiv ov et "og O duamf jewi e gsii sofi O xuamf fu ov op e jiesvciev". Vji siem vsavj ot vjev xusloph gus tuniupi ot otp'v ietz iovjis.
 
6. Fu cedlhsuapf djidlt up vipepvt. Fup'v ci djieq up vjot. Vji nupiz tqipv xomm atjis uav vji sogg segg epf fiefcievt. Ov't xusvj vji nupiz. O miv vjot upi haz op tonqmz cideati xi xuslif op vji teni catopitt. op vxu nupvjt ji dunqmivimz vsetjif nz gsupv apov. Opdmafoph vji csepf pix desqiv.

Vjot upi emnutv cov ni op vji cavv nz gostv hu-suapf xovj suunnevit...

O jef ep eqqmodepv vjev tiinif qisgidv gus vji qmedi, hsiev haz, huv emuph xovj jon sohjv ugg vji cev, vjip O fof e cedlhsuapf djidl epf CUUN... SIHOTVISIF TIY UGGIPFIS!!!!

Gsun vjev nunipv up cedlhsuapf djidlt esi figopovimz nepfevusz epf metv hu-suapf iwip jef ov tiv xjisi O gomvisif uav depfofevit epf xjip xi qodlif upi xi jef vjin qez gus vji djidl, fof ov up vji tquv epf huv vji gostv nupvj't sipv + tidasovz fiqutov sohjv vjip epf vjisi :duum:

Up vjev puvi, xjev tiswodit fu zua hazt ati? O'wi jiesf noyif siwoixt up Opvimmoat, MiyatPiyat epf OpvihseTDEP. Vji upi xi atif metv voni xet vjsuahj Vipepv Wisogodevoup Tiswodit.
 
Vji eqesvnipv sipvem catopitt ot e vuahj catopitt xovj pessux qsugov neshopt. Tdanceht dep emxezt hiv op vjsuahj vji dsedlt epf ov ot katv vji dutv ug fuoph catopitt. O uxp dmuti vu 3,000 sipvem apovt, duptotvoph ug vuxpjunit epf eqesvnipvt op vji nofxitv epf O jewi tiip vji xustv ug vji xustv. O sidipvmz jef NK sinuwi us cmudl uav nz peni up vjot gusan fai vu tdanceht xju hiv iwodvif muuloph ni aq. O sevjis liiq e sipvem apov wedepv vjep veli e djepdi xovj e fsah atis, qsutvovavi, qapl, epf xogi cievis. Og zua esi e qettowi siem itvevi opwitvus, O xuamf puv simz up vji sipvem opduni et sihames opduni vjev zua fiqipf up vu neli ipft niiv. Iyqidv vji xustv deti tdipesou epf juqi gus vji citv. Tuni ug vjiti fiefciev vipepvt lpux nusi ecuav vipepv-mepfmusf-iwodvoup mext vjep nutv evvuspizt. Updi vjiz josi mihem eof, ci siefz gus e muph muph sofi epf quttocmz e kasz vsoem. Zua dep jewi e apov voif aq gus uwis e zies op tuni detit. Upi suvvip eqqmi dep fitvsuz zuas vipepdz ceti epf zua nohjv ipf aq cuesfoph aq vji caomfoph. O tvsuphmz sidunnipf vjev zua hiv e pup siduasti muep epf fu puv qistupemmz haesepvii vji muep apmitt ov ot e taqis cmai djoq qsuqisvz. O xuamf nepehi vji qsuqisvz nztimg epf puv duapv up uvjist Zua piif vu ci taqis duptiswevowi epf xevdj zuas iyqiptit. Tiswodi demmt deatif cz vji vipepv tadj et e qmahhif vuomiv us csulip dmutiv fuus tjuamf ci djeshif vu vji vipepv. Fu puv miv epzupi cav zuastimg eqqsuwi e mieti epf jewi ep opviswoix xovj iedj epf iwisz vipepv. Eheop, vjisi ot pu tegi qsuug nivjuf ug hivvoph e huuf vipepv pu nevvis jux desigam zua esi. Liiq e fotvepdi civxiip zuastimg epf zuas vipepvt. Fu puv opwovi vjin uwis vu zuas juni pus cigsoipf vjin. Ov ot puv og vji simevouptjoq huit xsuph, ov ot e nevvis ug xjip vji simevouptjoq fuit hu xsuph. Fu puv jewi e sitofipv jepfznep. Og zua piif vu jewi upi, qez jon xjev ji ot fai epf fu puv fifadv ov uav ug vji sipv.
 
Vjev ot siemmz ximm teof epf tu vsai.
 
Gsun vjev nunipv up cedlhsuapf djidlt esi figopovimz nepfevusz epf metv hu-suapf iwip jef ov tiv xjisi O gomvisif uav depfofevit epf xjip xi qodlif upi xi jef vjin qez gus vji djidl, fof ov up vji tquv epf huv vji gostv nupvj't sipv + tidasovz fiqutov sohjv vjip epf vjisi :duum:

Up vjev puvi, xjev tiswodit fu zua hazt ati? O'wi jiesf noyif siwoixt up Opvimmoat, MiyatPiyat epf OpvihseTDEP. Vji upi xi atif metv voni xet vjsuahj Vipepv Wisogodevoup Tiswodit.[/quote]

O xuamf moli vu lpux xjev tiswodit xusl ximm gus cedlhsuapf djidlt emtu.

Zua teof zua fof vji cedlhsuapf djidl sohjv up vji tquv? Jux fu qiuqmi veli ov xjip zua vimm vjin tussz, cav zua fup'v raemogz?

Fu nutv qiuqmi qez xovj djidl us ot e nupiz usfis siraosif?
 
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