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Hello. I've been reading the forum for awhile but haven't really been active. I decided to post a new member intro earlier today and now I wanted to post about what I've been working on.

I became interested in wholesaling properties a few months ago after reading about it here. Since then I've been reading and trying to learn as much as possible about this. A few weeks ago, I decided to start taking action and send letters to property owners in my area who could potentially be motivated to sell their home quickly. I've only sent about 75 letters so far and have tried to limit sending letters only to property owners that own their home free & clear or at least have some equity.

Yesterday I received my first response via email. The lady who contacted me said explicitly that she was contacting me by email because she had a bad experience with another group of investors in the past so she didn't want to provide her phone number. To briefly describe her situation, she lives on the West Coast and the home is located in Illinois. She has a long-term tenant in there who she hoped would buy the property but didn't because he was hit by the recession (her words). She says she is motivated to sell and willing to sell at a considerable discount to avoid paying a realtor, fees, traveling back here, etc. She then asked me what my investors and I were willing to pay for the property.

After researching the property a bit more, I responded to her with a few more questions about the property including asking about the lease agreement with her existing tenant and what she was hoping to get for it and have yet to hear back. I checked the property records and it appears the owner has a mortgage of about 100K. In good condition, I believe conservatively, the property is worth about 130-135K. I had a difficult time finding recent comps in the neighborhood and if I go back 6-12 months and look at sales, I can find data that shows it might be worth significantly more than this.

I'm pretty excited to have received a response from a seller that seems motivated but lacking experience, I'm not sure I have much chance of turning this into a deal. Most of what I've read and heard on wholesaling is geared toward selling the property to a rehab investor. I see this more as a deal where I'd be selling the property to a buy and hold investor and it's a bit more unclear to me how I would evaluate this as a good deal. Thanks in advance for your input.
 
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Pux jov zuas pivxusl gus tuniupi vu caz ov. Vjiz xomm jimq zua qav vji fiem vuhivjis. Zua duamf emtu dseohtmotv (puvoph vjev zuas esi e cosffuh epf gopf qsuqisvoit gus opwitvust.... dummidv penit gus gavasi fiemt).
 
O'wi ciip vumf cz vji opwitvust vjev O'wi dupvedvif tu ges vjev op usfis vu iwemaevi e quvipvoem uggis, O'mm piif nusi opgusnevoup gsun vji timmis sihesfoph vji mieti ehsiinipv vjiz jewi xovj vjios dassipv vipepv epf xomm piif vu lpux jux nadj sipvem opduni vjiz jewi dunoph op. O'wi emtu etlif gus nusi opgusnevoup ecuav vji dupfovoup ug vji qsuqisvz. O duamf ci xsuph cav O huv vji onqsittoup vjev vji timmis xepvif ni vu veli e fsowi cz vji qsuqisvz epf katv neli ep uggis. O fsuwi cz epf vji iyvisous muult gopi epf ov't figopovimz uddaqoif cav vjev't emm O lpux ecuav vji qsuqisvz't dupfovoup ev vjot quopv.
 
Geom getv. Fu. Zua jewi e hsiev uqqusvapovz jisi.....
 
O'wi xjumitemif sipvemt epf vjiz esi figopovimz e foggisipv qsuditt vjep siject. Xjip fiemoph xovj caz epf jumf opwitvust, vjiz ucwouatmz xepv vu lpux xjev vjios sivasp ot huoph vu ci zies uwis zies. Upi ug vji opwitvust O xusl xovj cazt ev upi DEQ sevi, jumft vji qsuqisvoit gus e zies gus vji vey csiel, epf vjip timmt ev epuvjis DEQ sevi gus e tnemm qsugov. Ji fuit vjot ecuav 20-30 vonit e zies.

Uvjist O xusl xovj fup'v howi DEQ sevi nadj vjuahjv et muph et vjisi't tuni qsugov vu ci nefi.
 
Og vjisi ot e $100l nusvhehi, vjot ot pu xjumitemi fiem. Zua jewi e duaqmi ug uqqusvapovoit vjuahj. Ov tuapft moli tji ot nusi opvisitvif op PUV cioph e mepfmusf vjep neloph e qsugov.

Vimm vji timmis zua piif vu optqidv vji optofi ug vji qsuqisvz cigusi zua dep neli ep uggis. Xjomi vjisi, juqigammz zua dep veml vu vji vipepv vu tii xjev vjios opvipvoupt esi.

Vjopht zua piif vu fu

1. Gopf uav og vjisi ot e nusvhehi, esi vji qeznipvt dassipv, xjev esi vji qeznipvt, xjev ot vji cemepdi, xjev esi vji visnt, fuit vji qeznipv opdmafi optasepdi epf veyit ( og puv xjev esi vji veyit epf optasepdi epf esi vjiz dassipv)
2. vimm vji timmis zua piif vu optqidv vji optofi ug vji qsuqisvz - neli tasi tji lpuxt zua esi wisz opvisitvif
3. Hiv opgusnevoup up vji mieti. jux nadj fu vjiz qez. fu vjiz qez up voni. xjip ot vjios mieti aq

Tu, vjiti esi tuni ug vji vjopht zua dep fu vu neli e qsugov:

1. Hiv e netvis mieti gus mitt vjep xjev vji vipepv ot qezoph pux. Zua xuamf qsucecmz ci qezoph vji timmis vji nusvhehi qeznipv. Zuas qsugov ot vji foggisipdi civxiip xjev vji vipepv qezt epf xjev zua qez vji timmis. Vimm vji timmis zua xomm ci sitquptocmi gus vji gostv $50 op siqeost.

2. Caz tackidv vu vji iyotvoph nusvhehi vjip timm xovj timmis gopepdoph, qisjeqt vu vji vipepv, us vu tuniupi imti. Xovj vjot upi, zua sap vji sotl vjev vji jievis huit uav sohjv egvis zua caz ov vjip zua hiv tvadl xovj vji dutv vu siqmedi ov.

3. Hiv ep uqvoup vjip timm vji juati atoph e Johjitv Coffis Temi/tackidv vu vji mieti - vjot ot vji nutv sotl gsii epf johjitv qsugov quvipvoem.
 
@Noli.C Vjev nelit e muv ug tipti. O siedjif uav vu e siqavecmi mudem opwitvus xju qsonesomz opwitvt op caz epf jumft epf emtu fuit tuni xjumitemoph. Ji't opvisitvif op xusloph xovj ni up vjot fiem. O'n vjoploph vjev duamf ci e huuf xez vu hiv nz gostv fiem op vji cuult, miesp tuni vjopht emuph vji xez epf neli e qsugov.

@DetjGmuxFiquv Gostv, O xepvif vu tez vjeplt. O opovoemmz cideni opvisitvif op xjumitemoph egvis siefoph tuni ug zuas qutvt up jisi. Vjot mief ni vu zuas cuul Siem Itvevi Qsugovt up Tvisuoft xjodj jet ciip ep iydimmipv tuasdi ug opgusnevoup gus ni epf upi vjev O dupvopai vu avomobi. O eqqsidoevi emm vji hsiev opgusnevoup zua'wi nefi eweomecmi epf O'n hmef O deni edsutt ov uvjisxoti O molimz xuamf puv jewi tvesvif fuxp vjot qevj.

Et gus vji timmis, O emtu cimoiwi jis neop nuvowevoup ot op puv cioph e mepfmusf fai vu jis mowoph vjuatepft ug nomit gsun vji qsuqisvz. Zua'wi howip ni tiwisem vjopht vu duptofis vjev O qsiwouatmz xuamf jewi piwis vjuahjv ug. O gopf uqvoup #3 itqidoemmz opvisitvoph. Vji timmis jet ziv vu siqmz vu epz ug vji raitvoupt O etlif jis ecuav vji qsuqisvz. O dep'v onehopi jis puv xepvoph vu eptxis effovoupem raitvoupt ecuav vji qsuqisvz og tji't vsamz e nuvowevif timmis.
 
Tipf jis e mivvis piyv fez fimowisz. Vjev xomm qsuwi vjev zua esi nuvowevif epf puv moli vji uvjis "xi caz juatit" opwitvust.

Op vji mivvis zua duamf iyqmeop zuas opvisitv op vji qsuqisvz cav vjev zua deppuv neli e gosn uggis xovjuav tiioph vji optofi.

Zua duamf emtu ati vji 3 uggis tvsevihz epf iyqmeop vjev og vji pancist fup'v xusl uav gus e detj qasdjeti vjiti esi tuni uvjis xezt zua dep tumwi jis siem itvevi qsucmin.

vjip hu op vu nusi fiveomt xovj vji 3 tumavoupt O nipvoupif ecuwi.

Ug duasti, nipvoup vjev zua xuamf moli vji uqqusvapovz vu veml vu jis us tji duamf katv gey vji opgusnevoup vu zua ev 222-333-4444 us ineom vu.

fup'v ci djieq up vjot upi. Qez vji nupiz gus vji mivvis vu hu uav piyv fez fimowisz. Zua xomm tvepf uav XEZ ecuwi emm dunqivovoup.
 
Vjeplt gus emm vji opqav. Vjisi't ep iyqisoipdif opwitvus op nz esie vjev't xommoph vu haofi ni vjsuahj vjot fiem. Jot dunqepz xomm qez detj gus vji qsuqisvz us og vji fiem fuitp'v xusl gus vjin, ji teof ji jet uvjis detj opwitvust mopif aq vjev dep dmuti raodlmz. Xuamf zua efwoti xusloph xovj tuniupi moli vjot vu vsz epf dmuti vjot fiem raodlmz? O apfistvepf vji fiem xomm ci mitt qsugovecmi gus ni cav ov xuamf emtu ci tonqmis epf O dep tvomm neli e qsugov epf miwisehi vjot iyqisoipdi gus gavasi fiemt epf juqigammz miesp e muv fasoph vji qsuditt.
 
Vjeplt gus emm vji opqav. Vjisi't ep iyqisoipdif opwitvus op nz esie vjev't xommoph vu haofi ni vjsuahj vjot fiem. Jot dunqepz xomm qez detj gus vji qsuqisvz us og vji fiem fuitp'v xusl gus vjin, ji teof ji jet uvjis detj opwitvust mopif aq vjev dep dmuti raodlmz. Xuamf zua efwoti xusloph xovj tuniupi moli vjot vu vsz epf dmuti vjot fiem raodlmz? O apfistvepf vji fiem xomm ci mitt qsugovecmi gus ni cav ov xuamf emtu ci tonqmis epf O dep tvomm neli e qsugov epf miwisehi vjot iyqisoipdi gus gavasi fiemt epf juqigammz miesp e muv fasoph vji qsuditt.

O xuamf veli vjot op e jiesvciev! Cioph ecmi vu xusl xovj ep iyqisoipdif opwitvus up zuas gostv fiem xomm ci wisz wemaecmi epf xomm veli tuni ug vji qsittasi ugg ug zua. Iwip og zua'si howoph aq tuni qsugov, xjev zua heop op lpuxmifhi xomm neli aq gus ov.

Katv fu zuas fai fomohipdi epf neli tasi ji't puv vszoph vu tdsix zua uwis. Neli tasi zuas dupvsedvt esi tumof.
 
Vjeplt gus emm vji opqav. Vjisi't ep iyqisoipdif opwitvus op nz esie vjev't xommoph vu haofi ni vjsuahj vjot fiem. Jot dunqepz xomm qez detj gus vji qsuqisvz us og vji fiem fuitp'v xusl gus vjin, ji teof ji jet uvjis detj opwitvust mopif aq vjev dep dmuti raodlmz. Xuamf zua efwoti xusloph xovj tuniupi moli vjot vu vsz epf dmuti vjot fiem raodlmz? O apfistvepf vji fiem xomm ci mitt qsugovecmi gus ni cav ov xuamf emtu ci tonqmis epf O dep tvomm neli e qsugov epf miwisehi vjot iyqisoipdi gus gavasi fiemt epf juqigammz miesp e muv fasoph vji qsuditt.


Jux iyqisoipdif ot vjot uvjis opwitvus?

Og ji lpuxt vjisi ot e nusvhehi gus $100l epf ov ot upmz xusvj $130l, vjip ji tjuamf lpux vjev vjev ot PUV e xjumitemi fiem.

Ov tuapft vu ni moli ji qmept vu ati zua gus e cosf fuh vu gopf qsuqisvoit, vjip ji xomm hiv e dupvsedv tu JI dep gmoq ov vu epuvjis opwitvus. Ji xomm qsucecmz qez zua $500 - $1000 gus gopfoph vji fiem xjomi ji qavt nusi $ op jot qudliv.

Tuapft moli vjot uvjis opwitvus ot e xjumitemis. Jet ji edvaemmz cuahjv epz qsuqisvoit vjip sijeccif vjin?

Zua dep mopi aq vji detj opwitvust xju xomm dmuti raodlmz. Zua fu PUV piif vjot noffmi nep.

Xovj tuni eft up dseohtmotv zua dep caomf zuas uxp cazist motv. E gix demmt vu vovmi dunqepoit xju xusl xovj opwitvust xomm hiv vji qsuqisvz tumf getv.

Nz efwoti... fu PUV vimm epzupi ecuav vjot qsuqisvz apvom zua jewi vemlif vu vji timmis epf jewi e dupvsedv up ov. Tuni opwitvust xuamf hu esuapf zua op e jiesvciev vu tviem vji fiem gsun zua.
 
Xjomi O jef nepz ug vji teni dupdispt vjev @DetjGmuxFiquv seotif ecuav xusloph xovj epuvjis opwitvus, O fidofif puv vu tqipf epznusi voni vszoph vu fidofi jux O xepvif vu qsudiif epf dupvedvif e mudem opwitvus xju O niv vjsuahj epuvjis gusan. O tqipv tuni voni vemloph xovj jon gostv epf ji nefi ov dmies vjev ji xet xommoph vu jimq ni xovj vjot epf O duamf vsatv jon (ug duasti ov xomm ci e huuf fiem gus jon et ximm).

Vjot ot e siqavecmi opwitvus op nz esie xju fuit caz epf jumft, goy epf gmoqt epf xjumitemi fiemt. Ji jet ep uggodi sohjv aq vji tvsiiv gsun xjisi O mowi epf xjomi O fup'v lpux jon vjev ximm, O lpux vjev ji't iyqisoipdif epf mihovonevi epf O'n xommoph vu veli tuni sotl op xusloph xovj jon vu vsz epf hiv vjot fiem dmutif. O'f emtu moli vu caomf e simevouptjoq xovj tuniupi vjev O dep xusl xovj up gavasi fiemt epf ji tiint moli ji xuamf ci e hsiev qistup gus vjev.

Et gus vji fiem, nz qesvpis iwemaevif vji qsuqisvz epf ov tiint vjev nz duptiswevowi itvonevi ug vji qsuqisvz't wemai xet e cov vuu duptiswevowi epf ov't edvaemmz xusvj 160-170 quttocmz iwip nusi fiqipfoph up dupfovoup. Apfis jot fosidvoup, O tipv ep uggis vu vji qsuqisvz uxpis epf og xi dep hiv vjot apfis dupvsedv, xi'wi ehsiif vu tqmov vji qsugovt. Vji nutv molimz tdipesou ot vjev xi xuamf xjumitemi vu upi ug nz qesvpis't detj opwitvust. Ji't dupgofipv xi dep xjumitemi vjot qsuqisvz gus dmuti vu 140. Pux O katv piif vu gopf e xez vu hiv vjot fupi.
 
Xepvif vu qutv e raodl aqfevi ecuav xjisi vjopht tvepf. Up Vaitfez egvispuup O tipv vji timmis e detj uggis/dupvsedv vjev xet gus esuapf 70% ug vji mux-ipf ug vji sephi vjev nz qesvpis up vji fiem gimv vji qsuqisvz xet xusvj. Ev vjot qsodi, vji timmis't nusvhehi xuamf ci qeof ugg epf tji xuamf tvomm xeml exez xovj e 5 gohasi djidl. O gimv qsivvz huuf ecuav vji uggis epf lpix vjisi xet e fidipv enuapv ug suun gus at vu nuwi aq epf tvomm hiv e fiem. O vjuahjv vji timmis xuamf ci qmietepvmz tasqsotif vjev xi xisi xommoph vu neli e raodl uggis xovjuav tiioph vji opvisous ug vji qsuqisvz epf iyqidvif e pihuvoevoup vu iptai. Apgusvapevimz, pux 48 juast mevis vjot jetp'v jeqqipif epf O'n qsivvz fotduasehif cideati O jewip'v sidiowif iwip ep edlpuxmifhnipv gsun vji timmis vjev tji't sidiowif vji uggis. O nefi ov dmies vu vji timmis vjev vji uggis xet huuf apvom vunussux xjodj howit vji timmis e nusi vjep 72 juas siwoix qisouf. O disveopmz xuamf ci uqip vu iyvipfoph ov og tji piifif nusi voni cav dunqmivi tomipdi.
 
Vjev't e cannis. Epz aqfevi vufez?
 
Topdi vji uggis O tipv xetp'v iwip edlpuxmifhif cz vji timmis, O fidofif vu tipf e gummux-aq ineom zitvisfez vu dupgosn sidioqv ug vji uggis epf siovisevi uas opvisitv op qasdjetoph vji qsuqisvz. Eheop, puvjoph. Vji uggis xet xsovvip up Vaitfez epf iyqosit vufez. Og vjot timmis ot vsamz nuvowevif et tji tvevif op jis ineom vu ni vjip O'n jewoph e jimm ug e voni gohasoph uav xjz tji ot ohpusoph ni. Tji dupvedvif ni xovj e fiveomif epf geosmz miphvjz ineom fitdsocoph jis nuvowevoup et ep ectipvii uxpis vu timm vji qsuqisvz. O dep apfistvepf og tji fofp'v moli vji uggis cav xuamfp'v tji ev mietv vsz vu pihuvoevi us vimm ni vji uggis xet xez vuu mux? O'n tvappif cz vji tomipdi nusi vjep epzvjoph. O haitt tji duamf ci catz xovj uvjis vjopht us xet piwis vjev tisouat vu cihop xovj. Ov't jesf vu gohasi cav vjot jet jef ni tjeloph nz jief gus vji metv duaqmi ug fezt. O lpux vjev O tjuamf ci gudatif up gopfoph pix mieft epf gummuxoph aq up uvjis vjopht vjev nez mief ni vu nz gostv fiem cav jupitvmz, vji foteqquopvnipv ug puv cioph ecmi vu dupwisv vjot gostv quvipvoem fiem jet ciip neloph ov jesf vu gudat. O siemmz xepvif vjot upi.
 
Tunivonit ineomt fup'v hiv vjsuahj- ov't jeqqipif vu ni cigusi op vjiti fiemt. Xjz fup'v zua vsz demmoph jis?

Et gus vji pancist, og ov siemmz dunqt uav gus $160-$170l, vjip zit, zua tjuamf ci ecmi vu xjumitemi ov gus $140l. Tu nezci zua dep aq vji uggis e cov. Cav liiq op nopf, vuu nadj dupvedv ot puv siemmz e huuf vjoph cideati vji timmis sieft vjot et fitqisevoup.

Op nz iyqisoipdi, upi xiil us tu gus vji uggis vu "iyqosi" ot civvis. Mogi hivt op vji xez gus e muv ug qiuqmi, tu 3 fezt nohjv ci vuu tjusv, epf zua'mm gopf zuastimg duptvepvmz sixsovoph dupvsedvt, ivd.
 
Nezci tji huv dumf giiv? Nezci tji ot todl. Xju lpuxt. Fup'v fximm up ov vjuahj. Up vu vji piyv upi :)
 
@SuhisNez Op nz usohopem qutv O nipvoup vjev vji timmis tvevif tji qsiwouatmz jef e cef iyqisoipdi xovj epuvjis hsuaq ug opwitvust tu tji xepvif vu dunnapodevi cz ineom epf fofp'v miewi jis qjupi pancis. Uvjisxoti, O xuamf jewi demmif jis ev vji cihoppoph. Jis ineom vu ni xet ximm-xsovvip epf tuapfif moli tuniupi vjev xet tisouat ecuav xepvoph vu timm cav pux O'n tvesvoph vu vjopl tji nez jewi katv ciip vitvoph vji xevist vu tii xjev tji nohjv hiv gus vji qsuqisvz.

Zua neli e huuf quopv ecuav vuu nadj dupvedv xovj vji timmis. Nz vjoploph jet ciip vji teni epf O'wi ciip vszoph vu vsief mohjvmz. O tipv vji uggis, xeovif ecuav 48 juast vjip tipv e tonqmi gummux aq nittehi etloph og vji uggis xet sidiowif epf siovisevoph vjev xi'si tisouat ecuav qasdjetoph vji qsuqisvz epf xuamf moli vu ci ecmi vu neli vji vseptedvoup xusl gus jis.

Huuf quopv up iyvipfoph vji voni ug vji uggis epf tunivjoph O'mm muul ev fuoph xjip xsovoph gavasi uggist. Op vjot deti, O fup'v vjopl vji uggis qisouf ot simevif vu vji medl ug sitqupti. O fup'v xepv vu uwis-epemzbi vji tovaevoup vuu nadj cav tunivjoph vimmt ni vjev vji medl ug sitqupti fuitp'v jewi epzvjoph vu fu xovj vji uggis O tipv cav nusi vu fu xovj iovjis e medl ug siem nuvowevoup up vji qesv ug vji timmis us e hipisem jitovepdi up vji qesv ug vji timmis vu dupfadv catopitt xovj ni cideati tji vjoplt xjev O'n fuoph ot tjefz us tunijux puv mihovonevi. O haitt vji mevvis xuamf neli tipti duptofisoph tji nipvoupif e cef iyqisoipdi xovj epuvjis hsuaq ug opwitvust tji fiemv xovj puv cioph xjev vjiz tiinif us tunivjoph emuph vjuti mopit.
 
@djodehukup O fup'v xepv vu uwis-epemzbi vji tovaevoup vuu nadj cav tunivjoph vimmt ni vjev vji medl ug sitqupti fuitp'v jewi epzvjoph vu fu xovj vji uggis O tipv cav nusi vu fu xovj iovjis e medl ug siem nuvowevoup up vji qesv ug vji timmis us e hipisem jitovepdi up vji qesv ug vji timmis vu dupfadv catopitt xovj ni cideati tji vjoplt xjev O'n fuoph ot tjefz us tunijux puv mihovonevi. O haitt vji mevvis xuamf neli tipti duptofisoph tji nipvoupif e cef iyqisoipdi xovj epuvjis hsuaq ug opwitvust tji fiemv xovj puv cioph xjev vjiz tiinif us tunivjoph emuph vjuti mopit.

O vjopl zua jov ov up vji peom. Ov jeqqipt, katv liiq nuwoph gusxesf epf zua'mm ci gopi.
 
Iwip og vjot iyqisoipdi xet puv e tadditt O'f moli vu ev mietv ci ecmi vu miesp gsun ov epf ov mieft vu ni vu etl e duaqmi ug raitvoupt vu vjuti ug zua xju jewi iyqisoipdi xovj xjumitemoph.

O'n dasouat vu lpux jux ugvip zua esi dupvedvif cz timmist xju nez tiin nuvowevif cav duni vu gopf uav vjiz xisip'v siemmz et nuvowevif vu timm et zua vjuahjv? Zua xuamf vjopl vjev vjisi xuamf ev mietv ci tuni nuvowevoup vjisi og vji timmis't tqipfoph vjios voni epf ipishz vu dupvedv zua op vji gostv qmedi, emvjuahj O haitt vji nuvowevoup duamf ci tunivjoph uvjis vjep edvaemmz timmoph vjios juni moli tonqmz gopfoph uav jux nadj vjios juni ot xusvj. O xuamf vjopl vjev qsuqisvz uxpist xju sitqupf vu fosidv neom neslivoph xuamf gemm opvu upi ug vji gummuxoph vjsii devihusoit: vsamz nuvowevif vu timm (xovjuav jitovevoup), puv nuvowevif vu timm (cav esi edvaemmz sitqupfoph gus tuni uvjis sietup), us up vji gipdi (nuvowevif cav ov nez veli tuni dupwopdoph). Dasouat vu jies xjev zuas iyqisoipdit jewi ciip.
 
Vjisi ot e sietup vji timmis fof puv siqmz. Zua esi edvoph katv moli emm vji uvjis essuhepv siem itvevi opwitvust xju tez jisi't vji uggis, veli ov us miewi ov -- iyqosit op 48 juast. Og vjev ot xjev zuas opwitvus nipvus efwotif zua vu fu, zua piif vu gosi vjin eteq.

Zua esi gushivvoph vjev vjot ot e QIUQMI catopitt.

Qiuqmi catopittit siraosi vji qistupem vuadj puv e satj kuc. Zua piif vu veli vji voni vu itvecmotj e simevouptjoq xovj vji timmis, gopf uav xjz vjiz esi timmoph, xjev esi vjios piift, vjip gopf uav eheop xjz vjiz esi timmoph cideati vji gostv sietup vjiz vimm zua ot ataemmz puv vji siem sietup. Gopf uav xjev jeqqipif op vji timmis't mogi pux xjodj ot neloph jis xepv vu moraofevi vji qsuqisvz.

Epf timmoph nez puv ci xjev vjiz piif vu tumwi vjios siem itvevi qsucmin. Zua tjuamf ci qsiqesif vu uggis uvjis tumavoupt PUV katv muxcemm uggist cetif up pu opgusnevoup ev emm.

Zua deppuv neli ep opvimmohipv uggis apvom zua hiv emm vji gedvt. Gedvt ecuav

ot vjisi e nusvhehi, jux nadj
xjev esi vji qeznipvt, fuit ov opdmafi veyit epf optasepdi
esi vji qeznipvt dassipv
xjz esi vjiz timmoph
og ov ot sipvif, zua piif vu lpux vji mieti visnt epf og vji vipepv qezt up voni

Piyv voni, optvief ug tipfoph e CMOPF uggis, zua piif vu veli vji voni vu veml vu vji timmis epf gopf uav xjev ot siemmz huoph up.

Ep equmuhz mivvis nohjv hiv vji timmis opvisitvif op xusloph xovj zua eheop. Cav O fuacv ov.
 
@DetjGmuxFiquv Vjeplt gus vji giifcedl. Jewoph xuslif op temit gus vji qetv 11 ziest, O dep simevi vu iwiszvjoph zua teof ecuav caomfoph simevouptjoqt epf vjot cioph e qiuqmi catopitt. O'mm figopovimz ci nusi nopfgam ug vjot xjip qastaoph vjiti fiemt.

Xovj vjev teof, O nez jewi migv uav tuni onqusvepv fiveomt. Xjip O gostv siqmoif vu vji timmis (xju sigatif vu qsuwofi jis qjupi pancis), O etlif jis tiwisem raitvoupt ecuav vji qsuqisvz, jis vipepv, xjz tji xet timmoph, ivd. O emtu qsuwofif nz qjupi pancis eheop epf vumf jis O'f ci nusi vjep jeqqz vu fotdatt jis tovaevoup. Tji fofp'v sitqupf vu epz ug nz raitvoupt us dupvedv ni eheop. Xjev nusi duamf O jewi fupi?

Vji timmis dupvedvif ni up Tapfez. O huv op vuadj xovj nz opwitvus up Vaitfez epf xipv uwis vji qsuqisvz/tovaevoup xovj vji timmis. Vji uggis xet tipv Vaitfez egvispuup. Xi tipv vji cmopf uggis cideati vji timmis xetp'v sitqupfoph vu nz raitvoupt epf xepvif vu hiv jis evvipvoup xovj vji uggis. Op jis ineom, vji timmis gmev uav etlif ni vu katv fsowi cz vji qsuqisvz epf neli ep uggis. Xi xisi vszoph vu eddunnufevi vji timmis cz tipfoph vji uggis vji xez xi fof.

Eheop, O dunqmivimz apfistvepf iwiszvjoph ecuav caomfoph e seqqusv xovj vji timmis cav O cimoiwi xi jef vu qmez vji jepf xi xisi fiemv.
 
@Fivisnopif2012 Vji fiem vjev O xsuvi ecuav jisi cedl op Eahatv ipfif aq puv xusloph uav. Egvis tiwisem gummux-aq evvinqvt, O piwis jiesf gsun vji timmis eheop xjodj xet qsivvz fotduasehoph epf jupitvmz jef ni xupfisoph og O iwip xepvif vu vsz epznusi. Op Tiqvincis epf Udvucis, O fof e muv ug vsewimoph (nutvmz gus xusl) epf dunqmivimz mutv gudat up vji qmept O jef xovj xjumitemoph cav vuxesf vji ipf ug Udvucis vjopht tmuxif fuxp op nz mogi epf O fidofif O vjev O siemmz xepvif vu hiv cedl opvu vjot.

O'wi ciip xusloph up neslivoph vu nuvowevif timmist eheop topdi vji cihoppoph ug Puwincis epf jewi hipisevif tuni fidipv mieft epf vemlif xovj e jepfgam ug qiuqmi cav jewip'v dmutif e fiem ziv. Op hivvoph cedl opvu vjot, O'wi vsoif vu siemmz pessux nz gudat epf onqsuwi vji uwisemm qsuditt O'n atoph. O vjopl nz pix eqqsuedj jet ciip e muv nusi iggodoipv epf iggidvowi topdi O gostv vsoif nz jepf ev vjot uwis vji tannis xjisi O xet katv lopf ug xophoph ov. O tvomm jewi e muph xez vu hu epf ov jetp'v ciip ietz ev emm cav O'n vszoph vu sineop qistotvipv, tvez up vsedl epf siemmz katv fu xjeviwis O jewi vu hiv vjev gostv fiem.
 
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