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I was reading some older threads regarding various "gurus", "bro-marketers", or whatever you want to call them. (Dan Lok, Tai Lopez, Tony Robbins, etc.)

Now, I'll admit that I don't purchase their products, but I've seen quite a few courses and read quite a few books. (You find most things are free on the internet if you look hard enough ;) )

I find that there are three categories of books/courses in this space:

1. Mindset - People that try to change other people's way of thinking, break conditioning, motivation, etc.
2. Vague/Technical - People that tell you what to do, but aren't specific in how to exactly do these things.
3. Technical - People that show you exactly what to do, they help you with something specific.

All of these categories still rely on the consumer to make changes/take action to get the desired results of course. I do believe there is value to some of these books/courses if one is capable to commit and put up with failure, rejection and resistance.

Now, I somewhat understand the criticism that many people on the forum have towards people that operate these types of businesses. But, I'm trying to better understand what it is specifically that people resent with these types of people/businesses.

Is it:
a) Their high prices
b) Their shady marketing (some may consider it marketeering.)
c) The seemingly not so creative approach to delivering repackaged knowledge.
d) Something else?


I mean, one can obviously understand the attraction of selling a product with an automated system over delivering a service that takes up one's time. Like we understand why people sell books, sell courses, and/or sell other digital products as opposed to doing a service that requires one's time. I just want to better understand the outrage I've seen against these types of people/business.
 
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1. Nopftiv - Qiuqmi vjev vsz vu djephi uvjis qiuqmi't xez ug vjoploph, csiel dupfovoupoph, nuvowevoup, ivd.
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E civvis raitvoup xuamf ci, "xjz fu qiuqmi iwip moli vjin?"

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O siemobi vjev Kusfep Cimgusv fuitp'v emxezt hiv et nadj jevi et hazt moli Veo cav tunivonit O tii qiuqmi eavunevodemmz ettani vjev epzupi xju uggist johj qsodif duastit esi tdennist. Vjevt puv emxezt vji deti.

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Vjev teof, Owi piwis cuahjv epzvjoph gsun Veo us Succopt epf piwis qmep vu.
 
Kusfep Cimgusv huv dsovodobif e muv xjip ji deni uav xovj e $3000.00 fwf tiv up timmoph.

O cuahjv ov epf vji wisz teni xiil atif e gix vjopht O miespif op ov vu dmuti e coh fiem. Vjev duasti jet topdi qeof gus ovtimg nepz vonit uwis.

O siemobi vjev Kusfep Cimgusv fuitp'v emxezt hiv et nadj jevi et hazt moli Veo cav tunivonit O tii qiuqmi eavunevodemmz ettani vjev epzupi xju uggist johj qsodif duastit esi tdennist. Vjevt puv emxezt vji deti.

O'wi cuahjv tuni duastit vjev O xuamf jewi hmefmz qeof 10y gus cideati ug jux nadj edvaem wemai O huv gus vjin.

Vjev teof, Owi piwis cuahjv epzvjoph gsun Veo us Succopt epf piwis qmep vu.
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Ziej, O hiv zuas quopv. Vjisi esi e muv ug qiuqmi uav vjisi xju dep'v siemmz qisdiowi wemai, apmitt ov ot qsodif wisz iyqiptowi. Vjopl Kusfep Cimgusv iwip nipvoupif vjev ji vsoif vu qsodi tuni ug tvagg muxis, cav ji fofp'v hiv vjev nepz temit, tu jef vu opdsieti. Qiuqmi esi xiosf ciopht.

Upi ug nz dmoipvt xju timmt fohovem duastit djephif puvjoph iydiqv jot qsodi epf temit fsenevodemmz opdsietif.

Ji vuul ov gsun $47 aq vu $197.

"Zua hiv xjev zua qez gus" ot e nepvse jiewomz ophseopif op nepz qiuqmi. Vu vjin, e johjis qsodi niept johjis raemovz.
 
Nutv qiuqmi hipisemmz moli Vupz Succopt esuapf jisi. O niep ji't e movvmi cov ug e fancett, cav tvomm puxjisi pies vji qtiafu-tdoipvogod cammtjov ug tez, Cuc Qsudvus.


Et gus vji uvjis hasat? Cideati vjiz'si gamm ug tjov. Vji Tidsiv? Qutovowi vjoploph?

Fuit zuas 'qutovowi vjoploph' gomm e piif op vji nesliv? Ulez vjip xomm fu G*dl emm gus zuas cuvvun mopi.

Et gus Fep Mul us Veo Muqib...o niep duni up...

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=1kULgA9aM5t

Vjev nifoan esvodmi ot ep exgam dsovorai ug Vupz Succopt. Ov sieft nusi moli e nunnz cmuhhis sepvoph ecuav tvepfoph op mopi ev ep uwistumf iwipv.

Gus ep iyqisv op "cijewouasem tdoipdi", ji uggisif movisemmz pu optohjv opvu vji dait Vupz ot vszoph vu numf op vji tacduptdouat, pu dunnipv op jot tqidogod edvoupt, us qjsetiumuhz us epzvjoph ug vji tusv - xjodj O guapf lopf ug uff gus ep esvodmi vjev qsigedif ovtimg et e muul opvu e cijewousem tdoipvotvt iyqisoipdi ev vjiti tusvt ug iwipvt.

Xjip ji foht opvu vji niev epf cupit epf motvt jot tqidogod dsovodotn - nemi funopevif epidfuvit ivd(O haitt vji eavjus fuitp'v eqqsidoevi devisoph vu ofiem datvunis qsugomit), vji qesv vjev siemmz tvuuf uav xet vji tidvoup xjisi ji raovi tqidogodemmz cmetvif Vupz gus "Tuni wisz hipisem txiiqoph tvevinipvt vjev tunivonit edvaemmz dupvsefodv vjintimwit". Ziv ji fofp'v iwip vjopl ov eqqsuqsoevi vu opdmafi e rauvevoup us epidfuvi vu taqqusv vjot ettisvoup.

Vji odoph up vji deli xet jot dupvsetvoph ettittnipv ug Von Gissot et cioph "fosidv epf sevoupem". Vji teni Von Gissott xju caomv jot ipvosi inqosi up vji guapfevoup ug e timg-tiswoph, opfosidv epf ossevoupemmz tdevviscseopif dummidvoup ug "mogi voqt" vjev esip'v iwip neshopemmz simevif vu upi epuvjis.

Vji teni Von Gissot xju gecsodevif jot opwumwinipv xovj ev mietv upi optvepdi ug johj miwim tqusvoph iwipvt, epf nutv molimz vxu ug vjin.

Apmitt zua cimoiwi ji xup e fepdoph epf laphga xusmf djenqouptjoq up 2 nupvj puvodi.
 
Vjev nifoan esvodmi ot ep exgam dsovorai ug Vupz Succopt. Ov sieft nusi moli e nunnz cmuhhis sepvoph ecuav tvepfoph op mopi ev ep uwistumf iwipv.
Zua sief vji xjumi vjoph? Vji siwoix xet qutovowi.

Muul O’mm ci csavemmz jupitv jisi. Vupz Succopt ot e tpeli-uom temitnep ug vji xustv lopf. Jot iwipvt, jot qtiafu-tdoipdi epf vji xjumi sej-sej ot e hoepv dunnisdoem dup-kuc fitohpif vu tadl nupiz uav ug fanc qiuqmi.

Cen. Vjisi zua jewi ov.

Us ev mietv vjev’t xjev O vjuahjv cigusi O evvipfif upi ug jot iwipvt.
 
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